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By *ice__bloke OP   Man
over a year ago

redcar

Every old post office in every town, libraries for the pensioners to keep warm and have a social chat and a coffee closed down, every youth club and meeting point for the poorest closed down, Disabled people with terminal cancer - benefits stopped for 11 weeks, and waiting for the treatment for cancer now 2 months for treatment to start - shocking ! No police on the streets in our northern Towns, Calling an Ambulance - waiting times In the north east used to be 20 minutes - now 2 hours plus, Closing the steel works for 10 - 20 thousand people - supply chain , the list goes on and on

THIS IS THE NASTY PARTY

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You want to live in a Conservative borough, none of them issues here

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

Ain't teesside council mostly labour and in-dependant.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"You want to live in a Conservative borough, none of them issues here "
funny i live in a tory run council town too and dont have those issues either.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

post office 200 yards away leisure centre a mile away,three libraries within 2 miles.We have a hung council works well.

Problem is local hospital the NHS has big problems,but do not think labour can sort them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Post Office closures begun under the Blair government as did the breaking of its monopoly to deliver mail and the proposal to privatise the system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Post Office closures begun under the Blair government as did the breaking of its monopoly to deliver mail and the proposal to privatise the system.

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Here we go... Labour did this labour did that!

Firstly the closet tory traitor Blair twat started it and TEN YEARS later it's STILL blame labour!

The tories continued in trator blairs footsteps and continue to destroy institutions to fill their bank accounts

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Post Office closures begun under the Blair government as did the breaking of its monopoly to deliver mail and the proposal to privatise the system.

Here we go... Labour did this labour did that!

Firstly the closet tory traitor Blair twat started it and TEN YEARS later it's STILL blame labour!

The tories continued in trator blairs footsteps and continue to destroy institutions to fill their bank accounts

"

... and the reality is of course that the privitisation drive began in the Thatcher years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tories believe in individual reliance and personal responsibility vs collective reliance and responsibility . So god help those who for many reasons need help and support.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Post Office closures begun under the Blair government as did the breaking of its monopoly to deliver mail and the proposal to privatise the system.

Here we go... Labour did this labour did that!

Firstly the closet tory traitor Blair twat started it and TEN YEARS later it's STILL blame labour!

The tories continued in trator blairs footsteps and continue to destroy institutions to fill their bank accounts "
Blsire was a labour PM elected by the party fact.He also was the first PM to privatise parts of the national health

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Post Office closures begun under the Blair government as did the breaking of its monopoly to deliver mail and the proposal to privatise the system.

Here we go... Labour did this labour did that!

Firstly the closet tory traitor Blair twat started it and TEN YEARS later it's STILL blame labour!

The tories continued in trator blairs footsteps and continue to destroy institutions to fill their bank accounts Blsire was a labour PM elected by the party fact.He also was the first PM to privatise parts of the national health"

The first bit is true. The 2nd is definitely not.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The conservatives have continued their running down of state services, due to the financial sector caused global recession but paid for disproportionately by the poorer in society.

Don't vote for them expecting to get something different. They want a smaller state and pay individually for what you want, if you have any money. The NHS is at odds with that goal, so think it through.

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By *ice__bloke OP   Man
over a year ago

redcar

The tory councils are facing the same cuts as all us, But yes in the toff areas they look after the rich areas selfishly well, All Northern towns have taken thousands of refugees, but not in the toff areas, you wont find hundreds of refugees in leafy tory areas. Up north we are welcoming warm people - even though we cant afford the over spill into our cut services.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/three-more-tory-councils-somerset-norfolk-and-lancashire-slip-into-bankruptcy-danger-zone-z8g8m9vp2

Some tory councils are nearing bankruptcy, closures of adult care homes, many of which was for dementia care for the elderly, patients stuck in hospital coz there is no after care in the community simple - adult care - mental health services cuts 40 % - Homeless young people on the streets up 110 %

NASTY PARTY

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Most labour councils have generally had a lot deeper cuts than tory councils. To be fair labour governments tended to favour labour councils when in power. One of the reasons a lot of northern labour councils have taken in refugees is they get money from central goverment which they need to replace the money lost from central government due to austerity. They need this money to maintain services for local people.

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By *ice__bloke OP   Man
over a year ago

redcar

Government does not give extra money to local services, London & toff areas gets £1400 per head spend - north towns like middlesbrough £ 400 fact The north gets bled dry to fund London. This is shocking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Government does not give extra money to local services, London & toff areas gets £1400 per head spend - north towns like middlesbrough £ 400 fact The north gets bled dry to fund London. This is shocking.

"

Seriously, you need to gets those chips off your shoulders. Or at least put some gravy on them, might relax you a bit.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Kent doing very well ....move maybe??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Government does not give extra money to local services, London & toff areas gets £1400 per head spend - north towns like middlesbrough £ 400 fact The north gets bled dry to fund London. This is shocking.

Seriously, you need to gets those chips off your shoulders. Or at least put some gravy on them, might relax you a bit."

The irony

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Every old post office in every town, libraries for the pensioners to keep warm and have a social chat and a coffee closed down, every youth club and meeting point for the poorest closed down, Disabled people with terminal cancer - benefits stopped for 11 weeks, and waiting for the treatment for cancer now 2 months for treatment to start - shocking ! No police on the streets in our northern Towns, Calling an Ambulance - waiting times In the north east used to be 20 minutes - now 2 hours plus, Closing the steel works for 10 - 20 thousand people - supply chain , the list goes on and on

THIS IS THE NASTY PARTY"
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None of these things destroy societies though, most poor countries have none of these things and yet still retain a cohesive society somewhat.

These things do make life worse for those in need of them though and those that work in them sectors usually forcing anybody with any talent out into other sectors or abroad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Every old post office in every town, libraries for the pensioners to keep warm and have a social chat and a coffee closed down, every youth club and meeting point for the poorest closed down, Disabled people with terminal cancer - benefits stopped for 11 weeks, and waiting for the treatment for cancer now 2 months for treatment to start - shocking ! No police on the streets in our northern Towns, Calling an Ambulance - waiting times In the north east used to be 20 minutes - now 2 hours plus, Closing the steel works for 10 - 20 thousand people - supply chain , the list goes on and on

THIS IS THE NASTY PARTY.

None of these things destroy societies though, most poor countries have none of these things and yet still retain a cohesive society somewhat.

These things do make life worse for those in need of them though and those that work in them sectors usually forcing anybody with any talent out into other sectors or abroad."

So do you think as I do that in poorer societies patronage replaces politics and therefore you have to be more careful what you say than in a mire politically democratic society?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Every old post office in every town, libraries for the pensioners to keep warm and have a social chat and a coffee closed down, every youth club and meeting point for the poorest closed down, Disabled people with terminal cancer - benefits stopped for 11 weeks, and waiting for the treatment for cancer now 2 months for treatment to start - shocking ! No police on the streets in our northern Towns, Calling an Ambulance - waiting times In the north east used to be 20 minutes - now 2 hours plus, Closing the steel works for 10 - 20 thousand people - supply chain , the list goes on and on

THIS IS THE NASTY PARTY.

None of these things destroy societies though, most poor countries have none of these things and yet still retain a cohesive society somewhat.

These things do make life worse for those in need of them though and those that work in them sectors usually forcing anybody with any talent out into other sectors or abroad.

So do you think as I do that in poorer societies patronage replaces politics and therefore you have to be more careful what you say than in a mire politically democratic society?"
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There's a limit obviously on poverty but I'm pretty sure Romania say has a cohesive society give or take.

All the eastern block countries tended to be very cohesive societies despite decades long severe Communist austerity, well all except the Balkans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poverty is a tool like many others that finds the fracture lines in society.

Societies that are heavily fractured but glued together in a common necessity of amassing wealth will come apart far quicker.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing is; you're not living in a society anymore. You are living in an economy and as such you are purely an Ox that needs to pull its weight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my opion England comprises two societies. One an opulent rich who live a life of fox hunts and pheasant shoots and another of live to work exploited masses. Their lives consist of working hard, getting nowhere and living for a game of footie on the weekend and a budget holiday once a year in Benidorm. The rich have successfully managed to convince the working man that his struggles are due to his neighbour who cheats on benefits and the immigrant across the road who is bankrupting the NHS. The rich cronies in the press pump our minds full of hate with stories of benefit cheats and immigrants on benefit holidays so we don't even know what the problem is. We are governed by the rich who uphold a system that benefits the rich at the expense of the common man. And any of the rich who feel for the common man and try to improve his flight are labelled terrorists and communists.

Right now we have a choice to end all this. Break the cycle. Put a man in charge who will end cronyism, change laws that leave the man on the street powerless against the mighty corporations. It's in our hands. We can help ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Is your enemy the neighbour who earns an extra 50 quid a week on the sly or the billionaire corporate expat executive who flies into the UK every week so he doesn't have to pay a penny in tax?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opion England comprises two societies. One an opulent rich who live a life of fox hunts and pheasant shoots and another of live to work exploited masses. Their lives consist of working hard, getting nowhere and living for a game of footie on the weekend and a budget holiday once a year in Benidorm. The rich have successfully managed to convince the working man that his struggles are due to his neighbour who cheats on benefits and the immigrant across the road who is bankrupting the NHS. The rich cronies in the press pump our minds full of hate with stories of benefit cheats and immigrants on benefit holidays so we don't even know what the problem is. We are governed by the rich who uphold a system that benefits the rich at the expense of the common man. And any of the rich who feel for the common man and try to improve his flight are labelled terrorists and communists.

Right now we have a choice to end all this. Break the cycle. Put a man in charge who will end cronyism, change laws that leave the man on the street powerless against the mighty corporations. It's in our hands. We can help ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Is your enemy the neighbour who earns an extra 50 quid a week on the sly or the billionaire corporate expat executive who flies into the UK every week so he doesn't have to pay a penny in tax?"

Like Labour lovvie Sir Richard Branson perhaps? Who recently successfully sued the NHS and won.

Or perhaps the fabulously wealthy Tony & Cherie Blair, socialism in motion, eh? Plus a top table with Soros and the Bilderbergers.

Or Momentums Emily Thornberry, Lady Nugee if you will, a very wealthy lady through marriage?

I don't envy anyone their wealth if it's earned honestly, what little I have was begotten via hard graft and fiscal sensibility.

If you're someone with all the cash, regardless of the political divide I would imagine the nightmare would be how one continued to hang onto it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they have, they have caused a bigger divide ever seen before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opion England comprises two societies. One an opulent rich who live a life of fox hunts and pheasant shoots and another of live to work exploited masses. Their lives consist of working hard, getting nowhere and living for a game of footie on the weekend and a budget holiday once a year in Benidorm. The rich have successfully managed to convince the working man that his struggles are due to his neighbour who cheats on benefits and the immigrant across the road who is bankrupting the NHS. The rich cronies in the press pump our minds full of hate with stories of benefit cheats and immigrants on benefit holidays so we don't even know what the problem is. We are governed by the rich who uphold a system that benefits the rich at the expense of the common man. And any of the rich who feel for the common man and try to improve his flight are labelled terrorists and communists.

Right now we have a choice to end all this. Break the cycle. Put a man in charge who will end cronyism, change laws that leave the man on the street powerless against the mighty corporations. It's in our hands. We can help ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Is your enemy the neighbour who earns an extra 50 quid a week on the sly or the billionaire corporate expat executive who flies into the UK every week so he doesn't have to pay a penny in tax?

Like Labour lovvie Sir Richard Branson perhaps? Who recently successfully sued the NHS and won.

Or perhaps the fabulously wealthy Tony & Cherie Blair, socialism in motion, eh? Plus a top table with Soros and the Bilderbergers.

Or Momentums Emily Thornberry, Lady Nugee if you will, a very wealthy lady through marriage?

I don't envy anyone their wealth if it's earned honestly, what little I have was begotten via hard graft and fiscal sensibility.

If you're someone with all the cash, regardless of the political divide I would imagine the nightmare would be how one continued to hang onto it. "

I'm not against people making money. That's the beauty of capitalism. I am, however against Cronyism where the 'old boys' look after each other at the expense of the rest. For example the creation of tax loopholes which allow the super rich to not pay tax and making up the shortfall by overtaxing the rest.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

"

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice."

A case of "I've already made up my mind so please stop trying to confuse me with the facts"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice."

The anti war bit is probably the nugget of truth in there amongst the absolute rhubarb.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opion England comprises two societies. One an opulent rich who live a life of fox hunts and pheasant shoots and another of live to work exploited masses. Their lives consist of working hard, getting nowhere and living for a game of footie on the weekend and a budget holiday once a year in Benidorm. The rich have successfully managed to convince the working man that his struggles are due to his neighbour who cheats on benefits and the immigrant across the road who is bankrupting the NHS. The rich cronies in the press pump our minds full of hate with stories of benefit cheats and immigrants on benefit holidays so we don't even know what the problem is. We are governed by the rich who uphold a system that benefits the rich at the expense of the common man. And any of the rich who feel for the common man and try to improve his flight are labelled terrorists and communists.

Right now we have a choice to end all this. Break the cycle. Put a man in charge who will end cronyism, change laws that leave the man on the street powerless against the mighty corporations. It's in our hands. We can help ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Is your enemy the neighbour who earns an extra 50 quid a week on the sly or the billionaire corporate expat executive who flies into the UK every week so he doesn't have to pay a penny in tax?"
it's like reading the rantings of an angst ridden teenage Lenin.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

The anti war bit is probably the nugget of truth in there amongst the absolute rhubarb.

"

Lol

Yes, and it's listed as a fault?!

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice."

But they are all facts . It’s public record . Duh ,

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

The anti war bit is probably the nugget of truth in there amongst the absolute rhubarb.

Lol

Yes, and it's listed as a fault?! "

Yes. Sometimes governments have to make a stand - not roll over - belly up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opion England comprises two societies. One an opulent rich who live a life of fox hunts and pheasant shoots and another of live to work exploited masses. Their lives consist of working hard, getting nowhere and living for a game of footie on the weekend and a budget holiday once a year in Benidorm. The rich have successfully managed to convince the working man that his struggles are due to his neighbour who cheats on benefits and the immigrant across the road who is bankrupting the NHS. The rich cronies in the press pump our minds full of hate with stories of benefit cheats and immigrants on benefit holidays so we don't even know what the problem is. We are governed by the rich who uphold a system that benefits the rich at the expense of the common man. And any of the rich who feel for the common man and try to improve his flight are labelled terrorists and communists.

Right now we have a choice to end all this. Break the cycle. Put a man in charge who will end cronyism, change laws that leave the man on the street powerless against the mighty corporations. It's in our hands. We can help ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Is your enemy the neighbour who earns an extra 50 quid a week on the sly or the billionaire corporate expat executive who flies into the UK every week so he doesn't have to pay a penny in tax? it's like reading the rantings of an angst ridden teenage Lenin.

"

You make a compellingly counter argument.

What are you going to do next? Pull my hair? Tell me my mamma is fat?

But thanks you make me feel young again

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

The anti war bit is probably the nugget of truth in there amongst the absolute rhubarb.

Lol

Yes, and it's listed as a fault?!

Yes. Sometimes governments have to make a stand - not roll over - belly up

"

Yes, but surely the default position is anti-war. It's the last resort, when all else has failed.

Being pro-war would be extremely stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

But they are all facts . It’s public record . Duh ,"

Can you supply a reference for these "facts"?

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

But they are all facts . It’s public record . Duh ,

"

If your only source is the Daily Mail maybe.

Talking to terrorists is what always has to happen. Else no resolution is ever reached.

That does not make you a supporter of them. Even if you agree with their stated aims. Otherwise that would make every member of the Conservative and Unionist party a supporter of the terrorists on that side of the argument.

The government were talking to the IRA long before Corbyn.

The global banking crisis caused us issues, but did not bankrupt the country. It was also not caused by Labour.

The Labour Party is less anti-semetic than the general population, and much less racist than the Tory party.

It's Boris that receives cash from Russia.

The policies of this Labour Party are certainly left of center, but by no means "extreme". You can see all of the policies in place across other European countries, so that makes them mainstream rather than extreme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opion England comprises two societies. One an opulent rich who live a life of fox hunts and pheasant shoots and another of live to work exploited masses. Their lives consist of working hard, getting nowhere and living for a game of footie on the weekend and a budget holiday once a year in Benidorm. The rich have successfully managed to convince the working man that his struggles are due to his neighbour who cheats on benefits and the immigrant across the road who is bankrupting the NHS. The rich cronies in the press pump our minds full of hate with stories of benefit cheats and immigrants on benefit holidays so we don't even know what the problem is. We are governed by the rich who uphold a system that benefits the rich at the expense of the common man. And any of the rich who feel for the common man and try to improve his flight are labelled terrorists and communists.

Right now we have a choice to end all this. Break the cycle. Put a man in charge who will end cronyism, change laws that leave the man on the street powerless against the mighty corporations. It's in our hands. We can help ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Is your enemy the neighbour who earns an extra 50 quid a week on the sly or the billionaire corporate expat executive who flies into the UK every week so he doesn't have to pay a penny in tax? it's like reading the rantings of an angst ridden teenage Lenin.

You make a compellingly counter argument.

What are you going to do next? Pull my hair? Tell me my mamma is fat?

But thanks you make me feel young again "
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Jesus you really do have teenage temper issues!.

I wouldn't let you anywhere near any sort of power or anybody you think is fit for it.

Your rantings are straight out of Lenins big book of economics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opion England comprises two societies. One an opulent rich who live a life of fox hunts and pheasant shoots and another of live to work exploited masses. Their lives consist of working hard, getting nowhere and living for a game of footie on the weekend and a budget holiday once a year in Benidorm. The rich have successfully managed to convince the working man that his struggles are due to his neighbour who cheats on benefits and the immigrant across the road who is bankrupting the NHS. The rich cronies in the press pump our minds full of hate with stories of benefit cheats and immigrants on benefit holidays so we don't even know what the problem is. We are governed by the rich who uphold a system that benefits the rich at the expense of the common man. And any of the rich who feel for the common man and try to improve his flight are labelled terrorists and communists.

Right now we have a choice to end all this. Break the cycle. Put a man in charge who will end cronyism, change laws that leave the man on the street powerless against the mighty corporations. It's in our hands. We can help ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Is your enemy the neighbour who earns an extra 50 quid a week on the sly or the billionaire corporate expat executive who flies into the UK every week so he doesn't have to pay a penny in tax? it's like reading the rantings of an angst ridden teenage Lenin.

You make a compellingly counter argument.

What are you going to do next? Pull my hair? Tell me my mamma is fat?

But thanks you make me feel young again .

Jesus you really do have teenage temper issues!.

I wouldn't let you anywhere near any sort of power or anybody you think is fit for it.

Your rantings are straight out of Lenins big book of economics."

They are not rantings. They are a point of view. If you don't have the emotional maturity to handle someone else having a point of view and the ability to articulate those views without sounding like a schoolyard thug, then perhaps you should avoid the forums.

There is no angst in my postings which is more than I can say for yours. As the director of a business I make for a poor Leninist and being three years older than you not much of a teenager either.

I am sorry that you have nothing more to contribute to this discussion than infantile schoolyard insult slinging. I think angst might be more your forte than mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I have previously posted I am not a communist. I am a capitalist. But I believe democracy should a government of the people for the people. The majority of democracies around the world are today controlled and dictated to by a few powerful corporations and not the will of the people. This is not just my view. Robert Reichs "Saving Capitalism" is an interesting commentary on this form of state capture. It is my belief that corporations do not necessarily have an agenda that is in line with the wellbeing of the country or it's citizens.

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple
over a year ago

Giffnock

Plenty of Post Offices in the former Labour Stronghold and now SNP controlled Glasgow - always have been - maybe the OP is telling porkies !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opion England comprises two societies. One an opulent rich who live a life of fox hunts and pheasant shoots and another of live to work exploited masses. Their lives consist of working hard, getting nowhere and living for a game of footie on the weekend and a budget holiday once a year in Benidorm. The rich have successfully managed to convince the working man that his struggles are due to his neighbour who cheats on benefits and the immigrant across the road who is bankrupting the NHS. The rich cronies in the press pump our minds full of hate with stories of benefit cheats and immigrants on benefit holidays so we don't even know what the problem is. We are governed by the rich who uphold a system that benefits the rich at the expense of the common man. And any of the rich who feel for the common man and try to improve his flight are labelled terrorists and communists.

Right now we have a choice to end all this. Break the cycle. Put a man in charge who will end cronyism, change laws that leave the man on the street powerless against the mighty corporations. It's in our hands. We can help ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Is your enemy the neighbour who earns an extra 50 quid a week on the sly or the billionaire corporate expat executive who flies into the UK every week so he doesn't have to pay a penny in tax? it's like reading the rantings of an angst ridden teenage Lenin.

You make a compellingly counter argument.

What are you going to do next? Pull my hair? Tell me my mamma is fat?

But thanks you make me feel young again .

Jesus you really do have teenage temper issues!.

I wouldn't let you anywhere near any sort of power or anybody you think is fit for it.

Your rantings are straight out of Lenins big book of economics.

They are not rantings. They are a point of view. If you don't have the emotional maturity to handle someone else having a point of view and the ability to articulate those views without sounding like a schoolyard thug, then perhaps you should avoid the forums.

There is no angst in my postings which is more than I can say for yours. As the director of a business I make for a poor Leninist and being three years older than you not much of a teenager either.

I am sorry that you have nothing more to contribute to this discussion than infantile schoolyard insult slinging. I think angst might be more your forte than mine."
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Oh yes framing UK society as two Half's one rich and shooting fox's(yes we all know your intentions here, killing fox's means your calice and willing to kill the poor) the other working class slobs with only football and one cheap holiday to look forward and only you can save them from this misery with your rhetoric.

It's literally straight from Lenin's handbook.

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I actually rented a property from the aristocracy and lived on a country estate in the same building as a certain Lord and Lady. I have seen their lifestyle and would go so far as to say it shares very little with the average Briton.

I am also friends with several single mothers who don't know where their next meal is coming from or how they will buy new clothes for their children.

I find it sad that the laws of this country benefit the former rather than the latter of these examples.

I also know a multimillionaire corporate executive who lives offshore and is paid through and offshore sister company although he conducts his business in the UK. When he uses up his UK days he flies his entire office offshore for meetings. This means that £ Millions on company profits which would otherwise be taxable are spent just so one already rich person doesn't pay a penny in tax.

This is not something I read from a communist manifesto. It's something I've witnessed first hand and have enough of a moral compass to know its wrong.

I am still awaiting a well constructed thought out counterargument and the reference for the well established "facts" that you are so fond of spewing out.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

funny that this has been going on for donkeys years and guess what neither labour or tory goverments wont do a thing about it.i wonder why.oh thats right neither want to upset there rich donors.

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"funny that this has been going on for donkeys years and guess what neither labour or tory goverments wont do a thing about it.i wonder why.oh thats right neither want to upset there rich donors."

This is basically the problem. Both parties, to maybe slightly different degrees, are mainly representing there donors, instead of the people.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

But they are all facts . It’s public record . Duh ,

If your only source is the Daily Mail maybe.

Talking to terrorists is what always has to happen. Else no resolution is ever reached.

That does not make you a supporter of them. Even if you agree with their stated aims. Otherwise that would make every member of the Conservative and Unionist party a supporter of the terrorists on that side of the argument.

The government were talking to the IRA long before Corbyn.

The global banking crisis caused us issues, but did not bankrupt the country. It was also not caused by Labour.

The Labour Party is less anti-semetic than the general population, and much less racist than the Tory party.

It's Boris that receives cash from Russia.

The policies of this Labour Party are certainly left of center, but by no means "extreme". You can see all of the policies in place across other European countries, so that makes them mainstream rather than extreme. "

There is a difference between talking to terrorists and actively supporting them . It is a matter of public record that Abbot, Corbyn and McDonnell have actively supported terrorists worldwide and closer to home by their actual words, their tacit support and attendance at numerous meetings. Are you by any chance a member of the flat earth society as well as a Holocaust denier. These are facts not Daily Mail rants . Do your research. Next you will be saying that Corbyn has moved heaven and earth to sort out the endemic anti semetism in the Labour Party or do you deny that anti semetism is rampant in the Labour Party and will be for years due to the pathetic attempts to try to deal with it !???... jeez.... some people

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By *ice__bloke OP   Man
over a year ago

redcar

The debate of the two leaders on itv the other night;

the conservative party put up a false bogus live website feed that they were - an official non political fact checker. From Trumps play book - the biggest ever billionaire bankrupt in american history - ever elected - who loves Boris

The Conservative fibs listed below;

keep our streets safe

re employ the 30,000 police officers - that they sacked ffs

fib number 133

there is no magic money tree

fib number 155

We have built 40 new hospitals - you have built 2 ! And we are building many many more

fib number 166

We care for the most vulnerable in our society - we are a broad church for all

fib number 186

Tories - no money has ever been given to us from Russian billionaires - OH YES IT HAS there is a money trail of millions in LONDON given the the Tories

We will treat any OAP person cramped into a corridor like a stuck trolley - in hospital, after 6 - 8 hours waiting for a doctor to arrive

TRUE

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"I actually rented a property from the aristocracy and lived on a country estate in the same building as a certain Lord and Lady. I have seen their lifestyle and would go so far as to say it shares very little with the average Briton.

I am also friends with several single mothers who don't know where their next meal is coming from or how they will buy new clothes for their children.

I find it sad that the laws of this country benefit the former rather than the latter of these examples.

I also know a multimillionaire corporate executive who lives offshore and is paid through and offshore sister company although he conducts his business in the UK. When he uses up his UK days he flies his entire office offshore for meetings. This means that £ Millions on company profits which would otherwise be taxable are spent just so one already rich person doesn't pay a penny in tax.

This is not something I read from a communist manifesto. It's something I've witnessed first hand and have enough of a moral compass to know its wrong.

I am still awaiting a well constructed thought out counterargument and the reference for the well established "facts" that you are so fond of spewing out."
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Why would somebody wealthy share similarities with poor people on a day to day basis, what the fuck has that got to do with anything, your obsessed with making rich people poor instead of poor people rich, your a middle class Trotsky bro, just admit it.

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By *hMyGawdCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

It's true

Theresa May personally drove a bulldozer through our local library whilst George Osbourne kicked a man in a wheelchair. Boris Johnson forced a lot of heroin addicts to put needles in their arms and

Bloody Tories.

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over a year ago


"It's true

Theresa May personally drove a bulldozer through our local library whilst George Osbourne kicked a man in a wheelchair. Boris Johnson forced a lot of heroin addicts to put needles in their arms and

Bloody Tories."
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To assume power you have to have an enemy so awful your willing to do anything to destroy them.

History tells you these people do more harm than tax dodging billionaires (even though the Tories have closed more loopholes and raised more tax from the rich than the last labour party did).

NOBODY likes tax Dodgers and yes all parties have to do what's possible to stop it, alas in a globalised world some dodging will be inevitable.

No need for gallows for the fox killing lords and ladies

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over a year ago


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

But they are all facts . It’s public record . Duh ,

If your only source is the Daily Mail maybe.

Talking to terrorists is what always has to happen. Else no resolution is ever reached.

That does not make you a supporter of them. Even if you agree with their stated aims. Otherwise that would make every member of the Conservative and Unionist party a supporter of the terrorists on that side of the argument.

The government were talking to the IRA long before Corbyn.

The global banking crisis caused us issues, but did not bankrupt the country. It was also not caused by Labour.

The Labour Party is less anti-semetic than the general population, and much less racist than the Tory party.

It's Boris that receives cash from Russia.

The policies of this Labour Party are certainly left of center, but by no means "extreme". You can see all of the policies in place across other European countries, so that makes them mainstream rather than extreme.

There is a difference between talking to terrorists and actively supporting them . It is a matter of public record that Abbot, Corbyn and McDonnell have actively supported terrorists worldwide and closer to home by their actual words, their tacit support and attendance at numerous meetings. Are you by any chance a member of the flat earth society as well as a Holocaust denier. These are facts not Daily Mail rants . Do your research. Next you will be saying that Corbyn has moved heaven and earth to sort out the endemic anti semetism in the Labour Party or do you deny that anti semetism is rampant in the Labour Party and will be for years due to the pathetic attempts to try to deal with it !???... jeez.... some people"

Once again I ask you to provide references for these opinions to claim to be established facts. You tell me to do my research yet you are unable to supply me with one single factual resource on the internet to establish anything.

From Wikipedia: "In November 2019, John Bercow, the Jewish former Speaker of the House of Commons and Conservative MP, said that he had known Corbyn for 22 years, did not believe he was antisemitic and had never experienced antisemitism from a Labour Party member"

Do you understand the difference between a fact and an allegation?

Are you capable of arguing a point without personally attacking the character of the person you are arguing against in lieu of a decent counter argument?

A no I don't believe the earth is flat. I work as a consultant in Aerospace. People with PhDs in particle physics pay me for what I know. But then they aren't as clever as you.

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over a year ago


"Labour are the totally useless party

Terrorist supporting , anti semetic, cowards, anti war, ant British forces , pro IRA, bankrupting the country, Russia supporting of extreme left wing losers

There is so much wrong with that, it's not worth bothering with.

It's not like facts are going to change your predudice.

But they are all facts . It’s public record . Duh ,

If your only source is the Daily Mail maybe.

Talking to terrorists is what always has to happen. Else no resolution is ever reached.

That does not make you a supporter of them. Even if you agree with their stated aims. Otherwise that would make every member of the Conservative and Unionist party a supporter of the terrorists on that side of the argument.

The government were talking to the IRA long before Corbyn.

The global banking crisis caused us issues, but did not bankrupt the country. It was also not caused by Labour.

The Labour Party is less anti-semetic than the general population, and much less racist than the Tory party.

It's Boris that receives cash from Russia.

The policies of this Labour Party are certainly left of center, but by no means "extreme". You can see all of the policies in place across other European countries, so that makes them mainstream rather than extreme.

There is a difference between talking to terrorists and actively supporting them . It is a matter of public record that Abbot, Corbyn and McDonnell have actively supported terrorists worldwide and closer to home by their actual words, their tacit support and attendance at numerous meetings. Are you by any chance a member of the flat earth society as well as a Holocaust denier. These are facts not Daily Mail rants . Do your research. Next you will be saying that Corbyn has moved heaven and earth to sort out the endemic anti semetism in the Labour Party or do you deny that anti semetism is rampant in the Labour Party and will be for years due to the pathetic attempts to try to deal with it !???... jeez.... some people

Once again I ask you to provide references for these opinions to claim to be established facts. You tell me to do my research yet you are unable to supply me with one single factual resource on the internet to establish anything.

From Wikipedia: "In November 2019, John Bercow, the Jewish former Speaker of the House of Commons and Conservative MP, said that he had known Corbyn for 22 years, did not believe he was antisemitic and had never experienced antisemitism from a Labour Party member"

Do you understand the difference between a fact and an allegation?

Are you capable of arguing a point without personally attacking the character of the person you are arguing against in lieu of a decent counter argument?

A no I don't believe the earth is flat. I work as a consultant in Aerospace. People with PhDs in particle physics pay me for what I know. But then they aren't as clever as you."

I love seeing your username pop up in the politics forum. It seems v fitting here.

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"I actually rented a property from the aristocracy and lived on a country estate in the same building as a certain Lord and Lady. I have seen their lifestyle and would go so far as to say it shares very little with the average Briton.

I am also friends with several single mothers who don't know where their next meal is coming from or how they will buy new clothes for their children.

I find it sad that the laws of this country benefit the former rather than the latter of these examples.

I also know a multimillionaire corporate executive who lives offshore and is paid through and offshore sister company although he conducts his business in the UK. When he uses up his UK days he flies his entire office offshore for meetings. This means that £ Millions on company profits which would otherwise be taxable are spent just so one already rich person doesn't pay a penny in tax.

This is not something I read from a communist manifesto. It's something I've witnessed first hand and have enough of a moral compass to know its wrong.

I am still awaiting a well constructed thought out counterargument and the reference for the well established "facts" that you are so fond of spewing out..

Why would somebody wealthy share similarities with poor people on a day to day basis, what the fuck has that got to do with anything, your obsessed with making rich people poor instead of poor people rich, your a middle class Trotsky bro, just admit it."

Just because I do not support a government that steals from the poor does not automatically mean I support a system that steals from the rich and gives to the poor.

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over a year ago

Lets go with facts. Three examples. Brazil, USA, South Africa.

The recent Netflix series The Mechsnism is a fictional dramatisation of actual state capture by contractors.

Also on Netflix a fact based documentary called "Saving Capitalism" about the affect of state capture on democracy by corporate America.

South Africa. Jacob Zuma former President is being investigated for state capture by the Gupta family. Over 10 years this is thought to have cost South Africa R500 billion. Anyone who tried to stop this over the ten year period were labelled racists. Substitute antisemitists and you have the same argument here.

Phil Hammond former Chancellor of the Exchequer claims that Boris Johnson's backers have shorted the poumd and stand to make Billions over Brexit. If my objection to people with billions making even more billions at the expense of an entire nation makes me a communist then so be it.

Lenin,Trotsky, Marx and co. Opposed wealth. I oppose state capture by the wealthy. There is s difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you ask me to pull apart your arguments twice and when I do you blank me and start with somebody else who claims (rightly) that your lennist hero is a terrorist sympathiser!! Well no shit Sherlock, Trotsky's are always up for any group wanting to bring down the status quo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you vote left this is the type of nutjob your voting in!.

Remember that people.

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