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"With this I mean even tho it havent happened and probably never will it have caused a big devide and with the union too. I say it might but it will take a very long time " It will take time. When the older baby boomer generation who voted to leave gradually become extinct we can then rejoin . It will probably take 20-25 years | |||
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" Of course if Corbyn wins election then I hope we stay in because the EU will stop a lot of his nasty left wing plans" Which Labour policy is contrary to the rules of the single market? | |||
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"No. Because Brexit isn't really about the EU - it's about Britain and its continuing decline from imperial dominance. It thought it could reverse that decline by throwing its hat into the ring with Europe. But the compromise and negotiation required to be part of a club of equals is alien to a country that was used to simply imposing its rules on everyone else. Now Britain has decided that's not what it wants after all, so it is back on the 20th century pathway that was stayed briefly through membership of the EU. Britain simply has been unable to figure out its role in the world since losing its empire. The creation of Great Britain and Northern Ireland was part of that imperial expansion and its disintegration will be the final act of imperial disintegration. So, no, Britain in the sense you recognise it today will not recover, because it will not exist. " Sarah you are right about us not knowing our role in the modern world and being in the EU I feel makes this harder.Assuming we leave we will have to find a new role, and strive together to make a new Britain,yes a different Britain.In time hopefuly unite more a nation,this will not happen right away I know. Why you are so negative baffles me,and why so many are negative baffles me. Yes there is a lot wrong in this land and in all nations,a lot wrong on this planet but the only way to get things right is to have a positive outlook about changes. | |||
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"5 years from now after a rough time we will be fine,the EU will be falling apart and remoaners will have to amit thy where wrong. To most people they will just get on with life. Of course if Corbyn wins election then I hope we stay in because the EU will stop a lot of his nasty left wing plans" In 5 years we will still be negotiating trade deals, So when does this ‘rough time ‘start ? And can you define ‘fine’ ? I can’t see many of you leave voters living long enough to witness the conclusion to Brexit, maybe that is why you voted to leave | |||
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"5 years from now after a rough time we will be fine,the EU will be falling apart and remoaners will have to amit thy where wrong. To most people they will just get on with life. Of course if Corbyn wins election then I hope we stay in because the EU will stop a lot of his nasty left wing plans" Short sightedness is whats wrong with this country. It may well be that you are right about the EU but its demise wont do any of us any good. The three great superpowers did not want a fourth and so are doing their best to destroy the EU. Have you ever wondered why Africa South America or the Arabian nations have not been able to become superpowers? Its called destabilisation and is the aim of our American allies and the CIA in particular, and now they are bringing it to Europe. If you think that Britain will ever be great again with friends like the USA then I think you should read a little history first. We are being used to break up what has become a major economic threat to USA interests (boeing vs airbus for instance) and our leaders are either dumber than we think or willing accomplices. | |||
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" Why you are so negative baffles me,and why so many are negative baffles me. Yes there is a lot wrong in this land and in all nations,a lot wrong on this planet but the only way to get things right is to have a positive outlook about changes. " You believe I am negative because you hold to the idea that Great Britain and Northern Ireland is indivisible. It's not. There was a time people like you held to the idea that the Empire was indivisible. It wasn't. In fact, every time a country wanted to end rule from London, people here railed against it, believing no country could stand on its own two feet without the umbilical cord attached to such a superior nation. Every time you were proved wrong. The disintegration of Britain's imperial grandeur isn't finished. You call that negative. I simply see it as inevitable. The nationalism engulfing England today isn't GB & NI nationalism. It is English nationalism. | |||
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"A bright future ahead for an independent uk ....I wonder if the eu feels the same ......they are in bigger shit than this great country ... im looking forward not back . " PMSL, you have written some bollocks in the past bit this is up there with your best work | |||
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"Brexit is just another step in the long slow decline of britain,what will mark this step as different will be the break up of the union and while scotland and a reunited Ireland will prosper in europe, we will then be referring to the long slow decline of England I totally agree! " what a load of rubbish. | |||
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"A bright future ahead for an independent uk ....I wonder if the eu feels the same ......they are in bigger shit than this great country ... im looking forward not back . PMSL, you have written some bollocks in the past bit this is up there with your best work " you might think it's bollocks but it just might be true. Take the blinkers off | |||
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"A bright future ahead for an independent uk ....I wonder if the eu feels the same ......they are in bigger shit than this great country ... im looking forward not back . PMSL, you have written some bollocks in the past bit this is up there with your best work you might think it's bollocks but it just might be true. Take the blinkers off" Of course it ‘might ‘ be true. What are you basing your predictions on? | |||
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"A bright future ahead for an independent uk ....I wonder if the eu feels the same ......they are in bigger shit than this great country ... im looking forward not back . " This is just insane. There is no evidence for this at all. You just believe any old bollocks if you think it justifies your vote to leave. What about the vast quantities of data and information addressing the disasterous effets of brexit, and the huge negative effect that brexit has already had on the economy, businesses leaving etc etc, and when Combined with not a single piece of vague positive information about the effect of brexit. Makes you think there is a bright future ahead? | |||
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"A bright future ahead for an independent uk ....I wonder if the eu feels the same ......they are in bigger shit than this great country ... im looking forward not back . PMSL, you have written some bollocks in the past bit this is up there with your best work you might think it's bollocks but it just might be true. Take the blinkers off" Let's just nip this one in the bud. It's not true. There is no evidence to suggest it's true. It's pure insanity to believe the exact opposite of what's going on in reality. | |||
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"Same old experts on here ...but no facts ...just a big gob ...boy I know how to rattle ya cage snowy" Have you been on an all dayer again | |||
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"With this I mean even tho it havent happened and probably never will it have caused a big devide and with the union too. I say it might but it will take a very long time It will take time. When the older baby boomer generation who voted to leave gradually become extinct we can then rejoin . It will probably take 20-25 years " Yes it will take a very long time | |||
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"The nationalists in Scotland were really "in your face" in the run up to their failed attempt to split the United Kingdom back in 2014 - there are still divides across Scotland to this day - lets hope that any Brexit wounds mend quickly !!!" The effects for brexit will take longer than most of our lifetimes to recover from. I can't see any reconstruction anytime soon. | |||
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" Why you are so negative baffles me,and why so many are negative baffles me. Yes there is a lot wrong in this land and in all nations,a lot wrong on this planet but the only way to get things right is to have a positive outlook about changes. You believe I am negative because you hold to the idea that Great Britain and Northern Ireland is indivisible. It's not. There was a time people like you held to the idea that the Empire was indivisible. It wasn't. In fact, every time a country wanted to end rule from London, people here railed against it, believing no country could stand on its own two feet without the umbilical cord attached to such a superior nation. Every time you were proved wrong. The disintegration of Britain's imperial grandeur isn't finished. You call that negative. I simply see it as inevitable. The nationalism engulfing England today isn't GB & NI nationalism. It is English nationalism. " Sarah we are the least nationalistic race I know to be honest.As for imperial grandeur that is gone and so has the empire which you go opn about it does not exist most know this I thought all did. All we want is to be independent and control are own destiny I think. It is you who live in the past not the brexiteers do not be scared to embrace the future. You where not scared to transform into Sarah and your better for it I an sure you agree so no fear now. Yes we are all scared of change but we grit are teeth and make it work | |||
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"With this I mean even tho it havent happened and probably never will it have caused a big devide and with the union too. I say it might but it will take a very long time " Depends on what type of Brexit we are inflicted with in the end really. That will have a bearing on how long it will take to get back even the economic loss we've suffered so far because of Brexit nevermind the potential ongoing economic loss from a actual Brexit. Whether we ever get to a point where we are better off after Brexit compared to if we'd stayed in is one impossible projection that would need the most complex set of economic forecasts ever which would never get unanimous agreement on anyway. Even the most ardent leavers must acknowledge by now that economically Brexit or types of Brexit are only damage limitations economically. | |||
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" Why you are so negative baffles me,and why so many are negative baffles me. Yes there is a lot wrong in this land and in all nations,a lot wrong on this planet but the only way to get things right is to have a positive outlook about changes. You believe I am negative because you hold to the idea that Great Britain and Northern Ireland is indivisible. It's not. There was a time people like you held to the idea that the Empire was indivisible. It wasn't. In fact, every time a country wanted to end rule from London, people here railed against it, believing no country could stand on its own two feet without the umbilical cord attached to such a superior nation. Every time you were proved wrong. The disintegration of Britain's imperial grandeur isn't finished. You call that negative. I simply see it as inevitable. The nationalism engulfing England today isn't GB & NI nationalism. It is English nationalism. Sarah we are the least nationalistic race I know to be honest.As for imperial grandeur that is gone and so has the empire which you go opn about it does not exist most know this I thought all did. All we want is to be independent and control are own destiny I think. It is you who live in the past not the brexiteers do not be scared to embrace the future. You where not scared to transform into Sarah and your better for it I an sure you agree so no fear now. Yes we are all scared of change but we grit are teeth and make it work " Noble but perhaps misguided sentiment Emma - I think Emma knows her own mind rather more than you do. As for being scared, I would say personally thats its more a case of being rational than anything else. Fools rush in and all that! | |||
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" Yes we are all scared of change but we grit are teeth and make it work " Scared, no. It is the inevitable logic of taking back control. That is nationalism rather than internationalism. I do not believe in it right now. But I might after Jan 31. | |||
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"Oh no way ...out most of the day though ...nice lunch ..bit of shopping ...and now out for evening of fun ....with my girlfriend ....do u know what that is like ...." No, I do my shopping online | |||
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"Brexit will never happen, Westminster will see to that. Question is, where does that leave democracy in the UK?" In the safe hands of parliament. | |||
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"Oh no way ...out most of the day though ...nice lunch ..bit of shopping ...and now out for evening of fun ....with my girlfriend ....do u know what that is like .... No, I do my shopping online " Now that made my day....witty, acerbic and aposite....top marks | |||
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"No need to be rude. We're going from zero freedom to strike deals, to full freedom to strike deals. Several of our economic sectors are world class. We have favour in both the US, the commonwealth and emergring economies. So yes, we do have some leverage. Either way we're not going to sink with the EU if and when Greece/Spain/Italy fails." If we as a country was able to negotiate good deals then I'd feel optimistic | |||
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". Several of our economic sectors are world class. We have favour in both the US, the commonwealth and emergring economies. So yes, we do have some leverage. ." What leverage is that? Certainly not the UK's track record in negotiating anything these past three years. | |||
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"Here's how it'll unfold: General election - big Tory majority Leave with Boris' deal Short term dip in the economy. Maybe. Long term prosperity as we're able to make our own trade deals and aren't paying EU membership. Sovereign debt crisis in Italy, Greece and Spain eventually causes an EU collapse when Germany and France grow tired of bailing them out." Do you actually believe this. Despite 100% of the information and evidence pointing to a disaster for this countries economy in the short, medium, and long term. Combined with the complete lack of negotiating power compared to what we had with the EU. It's not looking good. Why do you think the US and Russia put so much money into the leave campaign? It certainly wasn't so they could get worse trade deals, from their perspective. | |||
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"Here's how it'll unfold: General election - big Tory majority Leave with Boris' deal Short term dip in the economy. Maybe. Long term prosperity as we're able to make our own trade deals and aren't paying EU membership. Sovereign debt crisis in Italy, Greece and Spain eventually causes an EU collapse when Germany and France grow tired of bailing them out. Do you actually believe this. Despite 100% of the information and evidence pointing to a disaster for this countries economy in the short, medium, and long term. Combined with the complete lack of negotiating power compared to what we had with the EU. It's not looking good. Why do you think the US and Russia put so much money into the leave campaign? It certainly wasn't so they could get worse trade deals, from their perspective." True | |||
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"Even if there is economic damage, which is by no means certain... Brexit is worthwhile just to stick a middle finger up to all the lefties who voted Remain. It's for all the jibes against Trump. It's for blaming the Tories for everything. It's for all the man-hating, politically correct, Guardian reading muppets who voted Remain. THAT is why we voted Leave. Simply because the people doing the most damage to this country were pushing Remain. Wasn't just us either, look up the Ashcroft polls... it shows a strong correlation on other Leave voters feelings on these topics. By the way - we understand not all Remain voters are bad people " What a phenomenally ridiculous point of view - I think you will find there are plenty of people who are not lefties who have enough nous to see that trump is no friend of ours, let alone all the other nonsense you spout. If you think your protest vote will only hurt the man hating lefties and wont hurt the less able then maybe you should try and get a bit of perspective because really I doubt that you are suffering personally in any way from being in the EU. | |||
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"Even if there is economic damage, which is by no means certain... Brexit is worthwhile just to stick a middle finger up to all the lefties who voted Remain. It's for all the jibes against Trump. It's for blaming the Tories for everything. It's for all the man-hating, politically correct, Guardian reading muppets who voted Remain. THAT is why we voted Leave. Simply because the people doing the most damage to this country were pushing Remain. Wasn't just us either, look up the Ashcroft polls... it shows a strong correlation on other Leave voters feelings on these topics. By the way - we understand not all Remain voters are bad people " Well you sound like one of life's winners! | |||
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"Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face " I know, I think it gets most fucking stupid ludicrous post on here ever and that's saying something | |||
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"Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face I know, I think it gets most fucking stupid ludicrous post on here ever and that's saying something " I don’t know dude over the years there has been some classics. I do enjoy the rightists having a meltdown over the leftists.., But yeah this can go in the hall of fame... | |||
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