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"Voting labour next month?" I'm sure there will still be quite a few but probably not as many as last time and quite possibly not even as many as the time before. | |||
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"Im into this whole 4 day week thing. "Not going to happen, or at least not for another 10 to 20 years, if ever. | |||
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"Im into this whole 4 day week thing.
Not going to happen, or at least not for another 10 to 20 years, if ever.
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"Im into this whole 4 day week thing.
Not going to happen, or at least not for another 10 to 20 years, if ever.
"When I was at school I was told that by the year 2000 we all be on a four day week and we would all retire in our fifties. Just another idea to appeal to dreamers.Could you imagine what would happen if the staff in the NHS went on a four day week | |||
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"If I thought they could win I might vote for them.They can’t win down here .So it’s Lib Dem’s for me." i thought the tories would never stand a chance up here bob but with this labour they will never have a better chance lol | |||
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"Im into this whole 4 day week thing.
Not going to happen, or at least not for another 10 to 20 years, if ever.
When I was at school I was told that by the year 2000 we all be on a four day week and we would all retire in our fifties.
Just another idea to appeal to dreamers.Could you imagine what would happen if the staff in the NHS went on a four day week"Could you imagine what would happen if an 8 hour day was introduced. Could you imagine what would happen if a 5 day week was introduced. Could you imagine what would happen if 14yr old boys weren't sent down mines. | |||
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"Could you imagine what would happen if the staff in the NHS went on a four day week" Yes, taxes will go up. If I had the choice between paying more for more NHS staff contributing to this country, or paying more to enhance the dividend of share-holders in big pharma in the US, it's not a difficult one for someone like me. | |||
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"What a fab ideal working 4 days a week. You will have 3 days a week, playing happy families with your kids, on 4 days pay. "The advantage is 3 days of overtime rather than 2! cha ching!! | |||
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"Im into this whole 4 day week thing.
Not going to happen, or at least not for another 10 to 20 years, if ever.
When I was at school I was told that by the year 2000 we all be on a four day week and we would all retire in our fifties.
Just another idea to appeal to dreamers.Could you imagine what would happen if the staff in the NHS went on a four day week
Could you imagine what would happen if an 8 hour day was introduced.
Could you imagine what would happen if a 5 day week was introduced.
Could you imagine what would happen if 14yr old boys weren't sent down mines.
"Could you imagine if you could travel at thirty miles an hour? Could you imagine if you could flick a switch and get light? Could you imagine flying? Ludicrous  | |||
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"Voting labour next month?" Unlikely | |||
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"What a fab ideal working 4 days a week. You will have 3 days a week, playing happy families with your kids, on 4 days pay.
The advantage is 3 days of overtime rather than 2! cha ching!!"And the rising inflation that will bring, as suppliers pass increased wages costs on. | |||
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"Voting labour next month?" Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! | |||
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"I'm sure comrade Corbyn would get someone to work the other 3 days for less money. Then another person may work your 4 days for less money also. " OK Boomer | |||
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"Im into this whole 4 day week thing.
Not going to happen, or at least not for another 10 to 20 years, if ever.
When I was at school I was told that by the year 2000 we all be on a four day week and we would all retire in our fifties.
Just another idea to appeal to dreamers.Could you imagine what would happen if the staff in the NHS went on a four day week"OK Boomer | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! " What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better?" Who are you asking? | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? Who are you asking?" I was asking the poster, hence the quote. Anyone can answer though. It's interesting how people have been conditioned to say something like this but when challenged can't explain their reasoning...as you know. | |||
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"Voting labour next month?" I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? Who are you asking? I was asking the poster, hence the quote. Anyone can answer though. It's interesting how people have been conditioned to say something like this but when challenged can't explain their reasoning...as you know." Did they indicate they were voting conservative? I must have missed it if they did. | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s" I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. " Weak? Or just stupid? | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? Who are you asking? I was asking the poster, hence the quote. Anyone can answer though. It's interesting how people have been conditioned to say something like this but when challenged can't explain their reasoning...as you know. Did they indicate they were voting conservative? I must have missed it if they did." It doesn't matter if they are. The question is still valid isn't it. You've taken this down a pointless conversational cul-de-sac. | |||
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"Voting labour next month?" I was starting to flirt with the idea of voting Labour until Corbyn opened his gob criticising in a polite way America for not arresting that ISIS leader who actually blew himself up when American special forces were closing in. So, no, I still dislike the guy and I dislike many of his policies so I won't be voting Labour. | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? Who are you asking? I was asking the poster, hence the quote. Anyone can answer though. It's interesting how people have been conditioned to say something like this but when challenged can't explain their reasoning...as you know. Did they indicate they were voting conservative? I must have missed it if they did. It doesn't matter if they are. The question is still valid isn't it. You've taken this down a pointless conversational cul-de-sac." So you asked someone who seems to suggest that they will vote labour, what they don't like about the labour party, and what they think makes the Tory party better? Are you feeling ok? | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. Weak? Or just stupid? "Well i don't know you that well, but it could be either. *shrugs | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. Weak? Or just stupid?
Well i don't know you that well, but it could be either. *shrugs "Your reply confirmed what I thought | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. Weak? Or just stupid?
Well i don't know you that well, but it could be either. *shrugs
Your reply confirmed what I thought "I want fish and chips for dinner, but I'll be tactically eating pizza..  | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. Weak? Or just stupid?
Well i don't know you that well, but it could be either. *shrugs
Your reply confirmed what I thought
I want fish and chips for dinner, but I'll be tactically eating pizza.. "Why don’t you have something healthy instead ? Look at the bigger picture? Doing something you want all the time is selfish and won’t be beneficial in the long term? Do you see where I am coming from? | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. Weak? Or just stupid?
Well i don't know you that well, but it could be either. *shrugs
Your reply confirmed what I thought
I want fish and chips for dinner, but I'll be tactically eating pizza..
Why don’t you have something healthy instead ? Look at the bigger picture? Doing something you want all the time is selfish and won’t be beneficial in the long term? Do you see where I am coming from? "Tactical voting just reinforces the status quo, nothing will change. | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. Weak? Or just stupid?
Well i don't know you that well, but it could be either. *shrugs
Your reply confirmed what I thought
I want fish and chips for dinner, but I'll be tactically eating pizza..
Why don’t you have something healthy instead ? Look at the bigger picture? Doing something you want all the time is selfish and won’t be beneficial in the long term? Do you see where I am coming from?
Tactical voting just reinforces the status quo, nothing will change. "If you say so. Thankfully your opinion on the subject means Jack to me but I guess you knew that ? | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. Weak? Or just stupid?
Well i don't know you that well, but it could be either. *shrugs
Your reply confirmed what I thought
I want fish and chips for dinner, but I'll be tactically eating pizza..
Why don’t you have something healthy instead ? Look at the bigger picture? Doing something you want all the time is selfish and won’t be beneficial in the long term? Do you see where I am coming from?
Tactical voting just reinforces the status quo, nothing will change.
If you say so. Thankfully your opinion on the subject means Jack to me but I guess you knew that ? "Hmmmm, yet your actions betray you. | |||
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"Voting labour next month? I would like to but I am tactically voting for the Lib Dem’s I'm the same, I support Tottenham Hotspur, but this season im supporting liverpool because I'm weak like that. Weak? Or just stupid?
Well i don't know you that well, but it could be either. *shrugs
Your reply confirmed what I thought
I want fish and chips for dinner, but I'll be tactically eating pizza..
Why don’t you have something healthy instead ? Look at the bigger picture? Doing something you want all the time is selfish and won’t be beneficial in the long term? Do you see where I am coming from?
Tactical voting just reinforces the status quo, nothing will change.
If you say so. Thankfully your opinion on the subject means Jack to me but I guess you knew that ?
Hmmmm, yet your actions betray you. "In what way? We can can converse on here without having to take each others opinions seriously? | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? Who are you asking? I was asking the poster, hence the quote. Anyone can answer though. It's interesting how people have been conditioned to say something like this but when challenged can't explain their reasoning...as you know. Did they indicate they were voting conservative? I must have missed it if they did. It doesn't matter if they are. The question is still valid isn't it. You've taken this down a pointless conversational cul-de-sac. So you asked someone who seems to suggest that they will vote labour, what they don't like about the labour party, and what they think makes the Tory party better? Are you feeling ok?" Nope. I'm feeling like a simpleton. I'm not reading English properly | |||
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"Voting labour next month?" nope | |||
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"If I thought they could win I might vote for them.They can’t win down here .So it’s Lib Dem’s for me." Well without your vote then definitely won’t! Will they | |||
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I’ve my own mind. And I vote Labour.
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ?" It’s difficult to know isn’t it but that tory figure of trillions was based on a total estimated by themselves cost over five years of what they thought the labour party would do....so....it was made up by them and presented as how much labour would cost the country as soon as they got into power....which means it was a lie! Despite a lot of what I post I am not a die hard Labour supporter but I can tell you that the financial crash followed by a decade of austerity has brought this upon the conservatives and the fact that they will have to borrow hugely to finance their own spending spree tells me that they have no idea of what they have done to our country and economy. They are all posh tossers living in an alternative bubble to us normal human beings  | |||
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"Your argument about income tax pre-supposes that the only lever is the basic rate, up or down. Scotland has adopted a more progressive approach since income tax was devolved. The rate paid by those earning below the average wage has reduced, while the rate for those earning above the average wage has risen. They replaced the three bands that exist in England & Wales with six new bands. I can imagine a Labour government doing the same - reducing the tax take on the first £28k of income and increasing the tax take on income above that. " I did say that I thought the Tories claim was a load of cobblers to be fair. Well after December the 12th I shall look forward to my lower tax bill then  . Hurrah.............. | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? Who are you asking? I was asking the poster, hence the quote. Anyone can answer though. It's interesting how people have been conditioned to say something like this but when challenged can't explain their reasoning...as you know. Did they indicate they were voting conservative? I must have missed it if they did."  | |||
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"I love how both parties swoop to such lows to shit on each other. That pisses me off. It’s tacky. But I’m literally staying away from Fb, papers and tv. Read the manifesto. That’s all. " Yup, not very edifying at all.  | |||
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ?" Where did you get these figures for tax increases from? Are they the Labour proposals? There is also corporation tax which has been reduced by the Tory government. The Tory's are also planning to cut tax (at the top end) whilst increasing spending. How does that work? What is the cost of their spending plans? | |||
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"I will be voting for Jeremy Corbyn on the 12th of December. Loud n proud!! Anyone wants to try and belittle me, scoff at me, or whatever. Crack on
I’ve my own mind. And I vote Labour.
Scarlett. "When the media machine goes into overdrive to smear a candidate you know he’s probably the best of the bunch. Vote for the guy the media hates .He probably doesn’t owe them anything.Unlike the other guys ... | |||
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ? Where did you get these figures for tax increases from? Are they the Labour proposals? There is also corporation tax which has been reduced by the Tory government. The Tory's are also planning to cut tax (at the top end) whilst increasing spending. How does that work? What is the cost of their spending plans?" My guess is they intend to borrow somewhat more modestly. I guess what they are hoping for is a bit of a boom to happen in this super duper new low tax haven they are going to create which will provide more tax revenue. I suspect that particular fantasy will be somewhat tempered by the reality of the world economy. | |||
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"No there my own musings. I looked up how much 1p in income tax rise creates and figure is apparently 4.5 to 5 Billion. So I'm just wondering how much income tax everyone is prepared to pay if you are asked to. I don't really want to pay any more to be honest. I'd far rather be putting more into my own personal pension so that hopefully I wont be quite such a burden on the state in 20 years time. I do accept other people are prepared to pay more. I was just wondering how much more ? " Your pension is subsidised in that the payment is not taxed. If 1p was added only at the higher rate would that effect you significantly? The rest of your income would be unaffected. As I said, funding does not only have to come from income tax. There's corporation tax, capital gains tax, death duties for additional properties... | |||
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I however haven't got a great need to pay more tax at the moment as I feel like I've done my share over the last 39 years. It's time I got a bit back for a change. | |||
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ? Where did you get these figures for tax increases from? Are they the Labour proposals? There is also corporation tax which has been reduced by the Tory government. The Tory's are also planning to cut tax (at the top end) whilst increasing spending. How does that work? What is the cost of their spending plans? My guess is they intend to borrow somewhat more modestly. I guess what they are hoping for is a bit of a boom to happen in this super duper new low tax haven they are going to create which will provide more tax revenue. I suspect that particular fantasy will be somewhat tempered by the reality of the world economy." You are guessing for a general election? You are happy with that considering BoJer's relationship with the truth and keeping promises? I agree with your conclusion though. | |||
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ? Where did you get these figures for tax increases from? Are they the Labour proposals? There is also corporation tax which has been reduced by the Tory government. The Tory's are also planning to cut tax (at the top end) whilst increasing spending. How does that work? What is the cost of their spending plans? My guess is they intend to borrow somewhat more modestly. I guess what they are hoping for is a bit of a boom to happen in this super duper new low tax haven they are going to create which will provide more tax revenue. I suspect that particular fantasy will be somewhat tempered by the reality of the world economy. You are guessing for a general election? You are happy with that considering BoJer's relationship with the truth and keeping promises? I agree with your conclusion though." I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in one single one of them. They all make me physically sick. I'm not even sure if I can be bothered to vote tbh. It all seems very pointless as whoever wins will be lying through their gritted teeth when whatever they have planned for us goes totally pear shaped, however there is a voice inside me that tells me I must vote because if I don't I will betray my parents who fought so hard for me to have one. Even if it's the wrong vote and you don't agree with me. | |||
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ? Where did you get these figures for tax increases from? Are they the Labour proposals? There is also corporation tax which has been reduced by the Tory government. The Tory's are also planning to cut tax (at the top end) whilst increasing spending. How does that work? What is the cost of their spending plans? My guess is they intend to borrow somewhat more modestly. I guess what they are hoping for is a bit of a boom to happen in this super duper new low tax haven they are going to create which will provide more tax revenue. I suspect that particular fantasy will be somewhat tempered by the reality of the world economy. You are guessing for a general election? You are happy with that considering BoJer's relationship with the truth and keeping promises? I agree with your conclusion though. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in one single one of them. They all make me physically sick. I'm not even sure if I can be bothered to vote tbh. It all seems very pointless as whoever wins will be lying through their gritted teeth when whatever they have planned for us goes totally pear shaped, however there is a voice inside me that tells me I must vote because if I don't I will betray my parents who fought so hard for me to have one. Even if it's the wrong vote and you don't agree with me. " They should start by presenting some sort of plan and some basic maths. Just saying that they will do something isn't even a starter. Next is if they contradict themselves. Again, non starter if they cannot even get their own story straight. Are they talking more about what they will do or about what a diaster the other guy will be? Then the question is intent. Where is this coming from? Just a desire for power or is there a more positive, or negative sentiment behind it? If it's positive but you disagree with the means that's better that purely saying what's needed for power. | |||
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ? Where did you get these figures for tax increases from? Are they the Labour proposals? There is also corporation tax which has been reduced by the Tory government. The Tory's are also planning to cut tax (at the top end) whilst increasing spending. How does that work? What is the cost of their spending plans? My guess is they intend to borrow somewhat more modestly. I guess what they are hoping for is a bit of a boom to happen in this super duper new low tax haven they are going to create which will provide more tax revenue. I suspect that particular fantasy will be somewhat tempered by the reality of the world economy. You are guessing for a general election? You are happy with that considering BoJer's relationship with the truth and keeping promises? I agree with your conclusion though. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in one single one of them. They all make me physically sick. I'm not even sure if I can be bothered to vote tbh. It all seems very pointless as whoever wins will be lying through their gritted teeth when whatever they have planned for us goes totally pear shaped, however there is a voice inside me that tells me I must vote because if I don't I will betray my parents who fought so hard for me to have one. Even if it's the wrong vote and you don't agree with me. " Vote for The Greens | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? Who are you asking? I was asking the poster, hence the quote. Anyone can answer though. It's interesting how people have been conditioned to say something like this but when challenged can't explain their reasoning...as you know. Did they indicate they were voting conservative? I must have missed it if they did. It doesn't matter if they are. The question is still valid isn't it. You've taken this down a pointless conversational cul-de-sac. So you asked someone who seems to suggest that they will vote labour, what they don't like about the labour party, and what they think makes the Tory party better? Are you feeling ok? Nope. I'm feeling like a simpleton. I'm not reading English properly "Thought as much. | |||
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ? Where did you get these figures for tax increases from? Are they the Labour proposals? There is also corporation tax which has been reduced by the Tory government. The Tory's are also planning to cut tax (at the top end) whilst increasing spending. How does that work? What is the cost of their spending plans? My guess is they intend to borrow somewhat more modestly. I guess what they are hoping for is a bit of a boom to happen in this super duper new low tax haven they are going to create which will provide more tax revenue. I suspect that particular fantasy will be somewhat tempered by the reality of the world economy. You are guessing for a general election? You are happy with that considering BoJer's relationship with the truth and keeping promises? I agree with your conclusion though. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in one single one of them. They all make me physically sick. I'm not even sure if I can be bothered to vote tbh. It all seems very pointless as whoever wins will be lying through their gritted teeth when whatever they have planned for us goes totally pear shaped, however there is a voice inside me that tells me I must vote because if I don't I will betray my parents who fought so hard for me to have one. Even if it's the wrong vote and you don't agree with me. Vote for The Greens "awwwwww they are just full of wind .
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better?" You completely misread my comment. | |||
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"Voting labour next month? Absolutely. I'm baffled that anyone wouldn't, tbh! What don't you like about them? What makes the Tories any better? You completely misread my comment." I did. I apologise. | |||
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" When the media machine goes into overdrive to smear a candidate you know he’s probably the best of the bunch. Vote for the guy the media hates .He probably doesn’t owe them anything.Unlike the other guys ...
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Except for Trump..."Good point, do they hate him because he's not establishment I wonder.. | |||
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Except for Trump...
Good point, do they hate him because he's not establishment I wonder.."What do you think?? | |||
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Except for Trump...
Good point, do they hate him because he's not establishment I wonder..
What do you think??"I guess he needs to be judged on results. Look at his progress with north Korea, no one seems to have thanked him for that. Managed not to go to war with anyone, and we all know every US pres likes to have their own war. As a man he seems an asshole but his foreign policy seems pretty good. I do think he's hated from both sides of the house for not conforming though. I think it would be similar if Corbyn got in here, he may well address some of the terrible things affecting the UK such as poverty, trains, health, but his foreign policy wouldn't win him any friends, and the media would be hard on him. Afterall he's not one of the political class. | |||
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"I live in Wales, i don't want to vote for the top three or brexit party. Though I believe this party is remain, but for just on the merit of local mp I'm voting for a party plaid cwmry. " Great party! | |||
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Except for Trump...
Good point, do they hate him because he's not establishment I wonder.."I think they hate him because he's a lying, sexist, racist, dangerous, self-serving, conniving bully. And he IS the establishment. | |||
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Except for Trump...
Good point, do they hate him because he's not establishment I wonder..
I think they hate him because he's a lying, sexist, racist, dangerous, self-serving, conniving bully.
And he IS the establishment. "I couldn't agree less. | |||
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Except for Trump...
Good point, do they hate him because he's not establishment I wonder..
I think they hate him because he's a lying, sexist, racist, dangerous, self-serving, conniving bully.
And he IS the establishment. "you really shouldnt belive everything you see and read in the leftwing media | |||
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"I can no longer vote for Labour since their dithering on Brexit and with them now going and shoving the fence so firmly and so far up there arse on this issue is a no brainier. Support and membership of the EU should be the natural home of a progressive and socialist Labour Party. I have no issues with JC it’s just the Brexit policy has won then no favours with me Also they won’t get in here. So I’m tactically voting to get rid of the Tory incumbent and to stop Brexit." Labour have not dithered in the slightest. In fact, Corbyn is one of the few politicians who has been making a clear, consistent and credible position for some time. It's simply a little too nuanced for reporters to pay attention too. To not vote Labour because of Brexit is insane. It will simply lead to a bad Brexit and continued tory devastation. | |||
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"Having gone along one at a time the Labour front bench not one could do the job they shadow, McDonald even got sacked by Livingstone that alone tells you their not fit to run the country. "
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"Im into this whole 4 day week thing.
Not going to happen, or at least not for another 10 to 20 years, if ever.
When I was at school I was told that by the year 2000 we all be on a four day week and we would all retire in our fifties.
Just another idea to appeal to dreamers.Could you imagine what would happen if the staff in the NHS went on a four day week"This is precisely the point Emma. What you were told should have been able to happen. Over decades we have made huge progress in terms of productivity, technological advances, time saving advances etc etc etc. In a society designed to benefit us all, that should have meant that we could all live incredibly well, on much shorter working weeks and retire earlier on full pensions. The fact that the right have pulled back on advances that the labour movement fought hard for over the 20th century means that all of those advances, rather than benefiting us as workers, had gone to fill the pockets of the bosses and has driven an enormous wealth divide in our society, where the rich get richer and even in work poverty rises. Yet the stupidity of some workers to see a shorter working week as some kind of Narnia dream is crazy. If only it weren't so depressing it would be funny that so many working people buy the shit that the ruling class tell us. | |||
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"How much extra income tax are you prepared to pay for this exciting new world we are being promised. Bear in mind I am not an accountant or an economist Apparently every 1 p rise in income tax raises 4 to 5 Billion in revenue. Let's take best case scenario and say 5 billion. So in simple terms lets say we add 5p to the income tax demand so it rises from current basic rate of 22p to say 27p. That would raise extra 25 billion a year if in this new perfect UK we are going to live in so over 5 years that 125 Billion. Even if you disbelieve the tories 1.25 Trillion and say a much more modest 625 Billion, 500 Billion will have to be raised from borrowing so that adds 100 Billion per year to the national debt. I seem to remember that around 2008 our annual national deficit was running at the rate of 150 Billion and that was unsustainable even for them. we had a labour government in then so why did they rein back spending. I don't understand, surely we should have just spent our way out of trouble if you follow the logic. So are you prepared to see another 5p in the pound added to your tax bill or 10p or whatever ? Bear in mind 5p will probably suck £ 1250/year out of your pocket for the average wage earner before you've even seen it roughly I think so 10p would take £ 2500/year out of your already stretched pocket and there would be the prospect of 3/4 of a trillion added to the national debt and our children's children's debt. Will they thank us for it I wonder ? I certainly couldn't afford it and will be looking to downsize. And yes even the tories are promising to increase borrowing too, but I suspect without raising income tax to such a great degree ?" But this is patently not true! At the last election Labour promised slot of what they are offering now, and the promise was that there would be NO TAX RISES whatsoever for those earning £85k or below. The figures that the Tories have put out are crazy. Everyone has gone mental about this Broadband offer, but it makes perfect sense. We're having to pay loads for it anyway through subsidies to companies like BT and Openreach, then through massive bill costs that line the pockets of shareholders. If it's free, everyone benefits, new start up companies can begin far easier etc etc. It's worth pointing out that the whole proposal is cheaper than HS2, and who benefits from that!!! Imagine being an ordinary working person and arguing against a 4 day working week and free broadband. The billionaire owners of the Times and The Mail must be pissing themselves at how stupid workers are! | |||
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"Id rather see the money invested in health rather than broadband. " It's not a one or the other though is it? You have choices. Broadband, health, education, tax cuts for the wealthy, corporation rate cuts, trident, HS2, etc etc. Choose your priorities to cut. Surely HS2 and trident are less worthy of spending than free broadband for all | |||
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"Id rather see the money invested in health rather than broadband. It's not a one or the other though is it? You have choices. Broadband, health, education, tax cuts for the wealthy, corporation rate cuts, trident, HS2, etc etc. Choose your priorities to cut. Surely HS2 and trident are less worthy of spending than free broadband for all" Are you saying trident isn't worth it because we haven't had to use it? | |||
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"Id rather see the money invested in health rather than broadband. It's not a one or the other though is it? You have choices. Broadband, health, education, tax cuts for the wealthy, corporation rate cuts, trident, HS2, etc etc. Choose your priorities to cut. Surely HS2 and trident are less worthy of spending than free broadband for all Are you saying trident isn't worth it because we haven't had to use it?" Would you prefer to spend money on trident or the NHS? A straight yes or no answer will suffice | |||
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"Nhs if I was I’ll trident if we were on brink of war lol " Pardon? | |||
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"So do I everyweek waching question time but it never happens " But you aren’t a politician ? | |||
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"Id rather see the money invested in health rather than broadband. It's not a one or the other though is it? You have choices. Broadband, health, education, tax cuts for the wealthy, corporation rate cuts, trident, HS2, etc etc. Choose your priorities to cut. Surely HS2 and trident are less worthy of spending than free broadband for all Are you saying trident isn't worth it because we haven't had to use it? Would you prefer to spend money on trident or the NHS? A straight yes or no answer will suffice "Id go trident over nhs yes. | |||
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"Id rather see the money invested in health rather than broadband. It's not a one or the other though is it? You have choices. Broadband, health, education, tax cuts for the wealthy, corporation rate cuts, trident, HS2, etc etc. Choose your priorities to cut. Surely HS2 and trident are less worthy of spending than free broadband for all Are you saying trident isn't worth it because we haven't had to use it?" I'm not saying trident isn't worth it because we haven't had to use it, but because there's no circumstance where we should ever use it. | |||
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"I can no longer vote for Labour since their dithering on Brexit and with them now going and shoving the fence so firmly and so far up there arse on this issue is a no brainier. Support and membership of the EU should be the natural home of a progressive and socialist Labour Party. I have no issues with JC it’s just the Brexit policy has won then no favours with me Also they won’t get in here. So I’m tactically voting to get rid of the Tory incumbent and to stop Brexit. Labour have not dithered in the slightest. In fact, Corbyn is one of the few politicians who has been making a clear, consistent and credible position for some time. It's simply a little too nuanced for reporters to pay attention too. To not vote Labour because of Brexit is insane. It will simply lead to a bad Brexit and continued tory devastation. " They really should be really unequivocally opposed to Brexit if they are a truly internationalist, progressive socialist party rather than we will renegotiate and hold another referendum. Brexit is bonkers and they should be leading the fight against it. Yes, there are far more important issues than Brexit. Safeguarding the NHS, education etc the list goes on... But as the only candidate now polling higher here than the Tory one is Lib Dem. My vote will be a tactical one.... Brexit is important as millions have been squandered on a Tory vanity project which will permanently damage the economy for years to come and make everyone poorer with the exception of a few. | |||
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"Broadband will be extinct by 2030 jesus some thick people on here " So what are our options then? What’s coming next? Any ideas you care to share with us? | |||
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"not a bloody chance he cant even answer a simple question on where he stands personally on brexit after 3 years." Is it about where he stands? When he is meant to represent us | |||
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"not a bloody chance he cant even answer a simple question on where he stands personally on brexit after 3 years. Is it about where he stands? When he is meant to represent us " Well yes i think its important for a leader to inform people of where he personally stands. | |||
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"May was a remainer, and we've seen how well she did at getting us out of Europe. " And Corbyn is a leaver. Wonder how well he'll do at keeping use close to or in Europe? | |||
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"Just remember folks....... ''The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher , 1976 Feb 5th" Yes...and she was a cunt aswell | |||
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"Broadband will be extinct by 2030 jesus some thick people on here " Best tell BT and Virgin then before they lay anymore cable | |||
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"Just remember folks....... ''The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher , 1976 Feb 5th" If that was true, the old cunt wouldn't have been an MP. 1) it's a childish misunderstanding 2) it's coming from the evil spawn who said, "there's no such thing as society" 3) she didn't believe it. There is always money. The only question is, which direction do you want it to go in? | |||
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"not a bloody chance he cant even answer a simple question on where he stands personally on brexit after 3 years." I can tell you where he stands, if you really want to know. Anyone who has really looked into this can tell you. It's actually really easy. Jesus, my own 12 year old daughter can tell you (literally). I can also tell you where he stands as *leader of the Labour party*. Contrary to what The Daily Mail and Idiots-who-get-their-political-news-from-facebook may have told you, the Labour Party have a very clear and consistent position on Brexit. It's pretty much the only party's policy that makes sense. And yet, this is about so much more than Brexit. It saddens me that people out there will empower the tories to continue decimating this country because they don't like Corbyn as an individual. Grow up. Do the right thing. | |||
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"not a bloody chance he cant even answer a simple question on where he stands personally on brexit after 3 years. I can tell you where he stands, if you really want to know. Anyone who has really looked into this can tell you. It's actually really easy. Jesus, my own 12 year old daughter can tell you (literally). I can also tell you where he stands as *leader of the Labour party*. Contrary to what The Daily Mail and Idiots-who-get-their-political-news-from-facebook may have told you, the Labour Party have a very clear and consistent position on Brexit. It's pretty much the only party's policy that makes sense. And yet, this is about so much more than Brexit. It saddens me that people out there will empower the tories to continue decimating this country because they don't like Corbyn as an individual. Grow up. Do the right thing. " A lot of words telling us all how simple and straight forward Labour's BREXIT policy is but no explanation of this simple and straight forward policy. Wonder why? | |||
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"A lot of words telling us all how simple and straight forward Labour's BREXIT policy is but no explanation of this simple and straight forward policy. Wonder why? " Do you really wonder why? That's a good start. If you'd like to know, just ask politely. Or, you know, learn how to use a search engine. Either way, it's easy to find out. | |||
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