FabSwingers.com forum: Lady Warsi

By *ittleAcorn OP Man
over a year ago

visiting the beach

It's quite interesting, how little attention is being given to her repeated assertions, regarding racism in the Tory party.

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

Are we more accepting of Islamaphobic behaviour?

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"It's quite interesting, how little attention is being given to her repeated assertions, regarding racism in the Tory party.

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

Are we more accepting of Islamaphobic behaviour? "

It’s been normalised, many people like scapegoats, somewhere to vent their frustrations, and they make easy targets and quite visible. All because they look different.

It’s quite sad to see it. But people’s behaviour has to change if we are to unite as one nation.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown had an insightful piece in the Independent this week:

"It is my belief that Boris Johnson's army of nationalists do not care about Briton's of colour (Javid, Patel, Kwarteng and others are useful for now).

"A young woman I mentor turned to me for her help after her father, a Tory, went "bat shit crazy" when she announced she was in love with a doctor from Pakistan. 'He said the man had probably r*ped young white girls and supported terrorism. My mum called my boyfriend an enemy of our nation. I thought we had left the horrible 50s and 60s'.

"I wrote them a letter at her behest because, apparently, they read this column. Got back a one-line note: 'Please do not interfere in our affairs. You are a migrant. We tolerate you but will never accept you. Enoch was right'.

"I have heard worse at Tory party conferences and then been instructed not to be so sensitive, so politically correct."

I am beginning to understand why the Conservative Party in England draws support from across the socio-economic spectrum - it provides a refuge for white people who consider themselves victims of non-white immigration.

Warsi deserves credit for trying to expose it. But one look at the on-line venom towards her and you can conclude she is swimming against the tide of hate in the Conservative Party.

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over a year ago

It's hardly surprising, there are no unbiased media outlets in this country. They all have a slant and that is what is helping fuel division in this country. Getting along with each other and working through problems doesn't make a good headline.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

It is contrary to the instincts of the right in this country to talk it up.

The right relies on jingoistic bullshit and demonisation of minorities to ferment the victim-mindset and rally the troops behind the flag-waving standard-bearers of English nationalism.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

As we'll see soon when the 2015 Salmond/Milliband posters are rehashed, this time with Corbyn in Sturgeon's pocket.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The media generally has a right wing bias in the UK, so it's not going to be given much prominence, which it truly deserves to have.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The media generally has a right wing bias in the UK, so it's not going to be given much prominence, which it truly deserves to have.

I think some people are also somewhat anti Muslim. following years of the same media helping to build this prejudice. There's virtually no attention given to this, in comparison to the disproportionately high exaggeration of anti-Israel and Jewish coverage that was covered extensively. It's wise for us to research each issue and determine whether the excesses are understood and action taken to deal with them or ignore instead "
There I a lot in what you say,The problem the muslims have is these days terrorism is mostly muslim in Europe so fear sets in and breeds predudice.This is in fact victory for the terrorist as they want hatred to exist..Humans react to fear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

It is contrary to the instincts of the right in this country to talk it up.

The right relies on jingoistic bullshit and demonisation of minorities to ferment the victim-mindset and rally the troops behind the flag-waving standard-bearers of English nationalism.

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I consider myself an English Nationilist as I want an independent England . I’m no Racist and it puzzles me why English nationalists are immediately asunder to be racist while Scottish or Welsh nationalists never are ?

Why ? Your thoughts ?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

It is contrary to the instincts of the right in this country to talk it up.

The right relies on jingoistic bullshit and demonisation of minorities to ferment the victim-mindset and rally the troops behind the flag-waving standard-bearers of English nationalism.

I consider myself an English Nationilist as I want an independent England . I’m no Racist and it puzzles me why English nationalists are immediately asunder to be racist while Scottish or Welsh nationalists never are ?

Why ? Your thoughts ?"
There is an element on here that seems to think that nationalism relates to raceism,well it does not.They also think you are right wing,well this is not automatically true.They like to stereotype people.To me it says more about them than it does about those they make there assumtions about

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

It is contrary to the instincts of the right in this country to talk it up.

The right relies on jingoistic bullshit and demonisation of minorities to ferment the victim-mindset and rally the troops behind the flag-waving standard-bearers of English nationalism.

Why ? Your thoughts ?"

Well, you could save the rest of these islands a lot of grief if you just declared yourself independent from the United Kingdom.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

It is contrary to the instincts of the right in this country to talk it up.

The right relies on jingoistic bullshit and demonisation of minorities to ferment the victim-mindset and rally the troops behind the flag-waving standard-bearers of English nationalism.

Why ? Your thoughts ?"

What's the point of an "independent" England?

What's the benefit to a normal person?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It's quite interesting, how little attention is being given to her repeated assertions, regarding racism in the Tory party.

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

Are we more accepting of Islamaphobic behaviour? "

Interesting but not surprising.

This story has not got traction for two years.

The papers don't like Corbyn so keep it alive.

There are not many Muslim or ethnic minority Tories so there is little internal fuss being made whereas Labour has traditionally had a lot of Jewish support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's quite interesting, how little attention is being given to her repeated assertions, regarding racism in the Tory party.

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

Are we more accepting of Islamaphobic behaviour?

Interesting but not surprising.

This story has not got traction for two years.

The papers don't like Corbyn so keep it alive.

There are not many Muslim or ethnic minority Tories so there is little internal fuss being made whereas Labour has traditionally had a lot of Jewish support."
The papers are mainly Tory but the bbc definatly are more pro labour !

I suspect thier is a very large Tory vote amongst , Indian Sikh , Chinese , and yes the Muslim vote !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The papers are mainly Tory but the bbc definatly are more pro labour !"

Have you watch question time lately?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

" The papers are mainly Tory but the bbc definatly are more pro labour !

The BBC is pro-Establishment. I rarely detect any party political bias.

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By *ittleAcorn OP Man
over a year ago

visiting the beach

" The papers are mainly Tory but the bbc definatly are more pro labour !

The BBC is pro-Establishment. I rarely detect any party political bias.

I think it is being very careful to not upset the Tory Government. They have been threatening the licence fee for some time.

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By *ittleAcorn OP Man
over a year ago

visiting the beach

Interesting article posted by Michael Rosen on FB...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"It's quite interesting, how little attention is being given to her repeated assertions, regarding racism in the Tory party.

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

Are we more accepting of Islamaphobic behaviour?

Interesting but not surprising.

This story has not got traction for two years.

The papers don't like Corbyn so keep it alive.

There are not many Muslim or ethnic minority Tories so there is little internal fuss being made whereas Labour has traditionally had a lot of Jewish support. The papers are mainly Tory but the bbc definatly are more pro labour !

I suspect thier is a very large Tory vote amongst , Indian Sikh , Chinese , and yes the Muslim vote !

You suspect based on what?

What about party membership?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Tory candidate in Aberdeen North dumped for string of anti-Islam, anti-semitic, anti-LGBT rants online.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Tory candidate in Aberdeen North dumped for string of anti-Islam, anti-semitic, anti-LGBT rants online.

Did you miss a Labour candidate in Aberdeen being dumped for anti-semitism remarks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aberdeen seems to be full of racists

Thanks for the heads up..

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The perils of social media are now becoming more apparent.

The Conservative candidate that withdrew, made his remarks seven years ago, and now they are back to haunt him.

Will society put an acceptable time "amnesty" on for social media remarks in the future? Or is better just to keep off social media if you want a public office?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Tory candidate in Aberdeen North dumped for string of anti-Islam, anti-semitic, anti-LGBT rants online.

Did you miss a Labour candidate in Aberdeen being dumped for anti-semitism remarks? "

No. Did you?

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over a year ago

"The perils of social media are now becoming more apparent.

The Conservative candidate that withdrew, made his remarks seven years ago, and now they are back to haunt him.

Will society put an acceptable time "amnesty" on for social media remarks in the future? Or is better just to keep off social media if you want a public office? "

You seem to be suggesting that people might change their minds and become more moderate to reflect a change in society? Does that mean we can have a second referendum? Maybe Nige was right and 52/48 is unfinished business?

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By *ittleAcorn OP Man
over a year ago

visiting the beach

"The perils of social media are now becoming more apparent.

The Conservative candidate that withdrew, made his remarks seven years ago, and now they are back to haunt him.

Will society put an acceptable time "amnesty" on for social media remarks in the future? Or is better just to keep off social media if you want a public office?

If he had been a young and silly 15 year old maybe.

I don't know about you, but I am pretty much exactly the same person I was 7 years ago.

But I don't make racist comments on social media (or anywhere for that matter). Probably something to do with me not being a racist and he is.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yeah, there is a difference between immature scribblings as a teenager - the SNP MP Mhari Black springs to mind - and someone post downright bile. This one falls into the latter category.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The perils of social media are now becoming more apparent.

The Conservative candidate that withdrew, made his remarks seven years ago, and now they are back to haunt him.

Will society put an acceptable time "amnesty" on for social media remarks in the future? Or is better just to keep off social media if you want a public office? "
We all said and did stupid things in our youth but for my generation there was no internet,we also did things that at the time here socially exeptable.

I do thing we need to be more objective about peoples passed and who they are today is what matters.For heavasns ake we have allowed terrorists to become MP's here and Ireland,I site Paisly and Adams as examples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The perils of social media are now becoming more apparent.

The Conservative candidate that withdrew, made his remarks seven years ago, and now they are back to haunt him.

Will society put an acceptable time "amnesty" on for social media remarks in the future? Or is better just to keep off social media if you want a public office?

If he had been a young and silly 15 year old maybe.

I don't know about you, but I am pretty much exactly the same person I was 7 years ago.

But I don't make racist comments on social media (or anywhere for that matter). Probably something to do with me not being a racist and he is. "

As old Saint Peter says

“When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

In the book if Bob it is written

“If you be an adult and say racist shit you shall be judged on that racist shit until you be dead.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The perils of social media are now becoming more apparent.

The Conservative candidate that withdrew, made his remarks seven years ago, and now they are back to haunt him.

Will society put an acceptable time "amnesty" on for social media remarks in the future? Or is better just to keep off social media if you want a public office?

If he had been a young and silly 15 year old maybe.

I don't know about you, but I am pretty much exactly the same person I was 7 years ago.

But I don't make racist comments on social media (or anywhere for that matter). Probably something to do with me not being a racist and he is.

As old Saint Peter says

“When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

In the book if Bob it is written

“If you be an adult and say racist shit you shall be judged on that racist shit until you be dead.”

True that

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Well, these sleazy posts on a swingers site will soon bring all your careers as Prime Minister to a sudden end!

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By *ittleAcorn OP Man
over a year ago

visiting the beach

"Well, these sleazy posts on a swingers site will soon bring all your careers as Prime Minister to a sudden end!

Personally, I thought the pictures of me in women's knickers made me a shoo in for a Tory candidacy...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Her language is much stronger than the equivalent criticism over in Labour, and yet most of media are giving it scant coverage.

It is contrary to the instincts of the right in this country to talk it up.

The right relies on jingoistic bullshit and demonisation of minorities to ferment the victim-mindset and rally the troops behind the flag-waving standard-bearers of English nationalism.

Why ? Your thoughts ?There is an element on here that seems to think that nationalism relates to raceism,well it does not.They also think you are right wing,well this is not automatically true.They like to stereotype people.To me it says more about them than it does about those they make there assumtions about"

There is something mildly amusing about watching someone stereotyping and showing hate for people because they are perceived to be a stereotype they believe to be worthy of hatred.

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