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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Losses for the left.. are we looking at the beginnings of "Spaxit"?!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Looking at the way the Vox popularity has expanded is very worrying.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Vox's support has grown due to the Catalonian independence issue.

The rise in it's popularity is primarily due to wanting a harder line response to keeping Spain together.

One factor but unintended consequences of their other policies should they prove influential.

Sound familiar?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Losses for the left.. are we looking at the beginnings of "Spaxit"?!"

No.

You are viewing foreign affairs through an English filter.

Try viewing it through a Spanish filter.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"Losses for the left.. are we looking at the beginnings of "Spaxit"?!

No.

You are viewing foreign affairs through an English filter.

Try viewing it through a Spanish filter.

"

You're right! They'd be crazy to want to leave.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Spain is being polarised by the Catalan question.

UK is being polarised by the EU question.

Two things are distinctly different.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Nationalism is the common factor, I guess.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

D'ya think Mr Putin is anywhere in this?

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By *orksCouple25Couple
over a year ago

Leeds


"Losses for the left.. are we looking at the beginnings of "Spaxit"?!

No.

You are viewing foreign affairs through an English filter.

Try viewing it through a Spanish filter.

You're right! They'd be crazy to want to leave. "

For decades now Spain has done very well being in the EU as we in the UK have paid for its fantastic infrastructure via our £10 Billion a year next contribution. Since they allowed the really poor countries of Eastern into the EU this Gravy train they have became accustomed to has dried up as our money is now propping up Eastern Europe instead. The EU is not as attractive anymore as there are no more freebies to be had and God forbid if they ever have to start subsidising other countries like we have been doing .

Despite all this free UK (German and French too) money they still have a youth unemployment rate of about 25% !

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, all that money being poured into infrastructure in Eastern Europe is what is helping to lift their economy, and persuading many of their emigrants there are better pickings at home now than in the UK.

Hence, the fruit and veg left rotting in the fields here.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Yes, all that money being poured into infrastructure in Eastern Europe is what is helping to lift their economy, and persuading many of their emigrants there are better pickings at home now than in the UK.

Hence, the fruit and veg left rotting in the fields here.

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Your way over simplifying things

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Yes, all that money being poured into infrastructure in Eastern Europe is what is helping to lift their economy, and persuading many of their emigrants there are better pickings at home now than in the UK.

Hence, the fruit and veg left rotting in the fields here.

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Exactly thats why the eu wants albania,noth macidonia and montenegro to join as they are running out of cheap labour unfortunatly for them macron doesnt.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Consider what the UK contributes today to eastern Europe to what Britain spent historically on Eastern Europe.

The Cold War.

Remember that?

Defence spending by UK today is about 2.33% of GDP.

In 1945, it was 52%.

By 1950, it was 6%.

By 1954, it was 11%.

1959 and 7%.

4% in 1980.

2.33% today.

We no longer spend money on military confrontation with eastern europe.

Instead, we contribute a fraction towards its economic development.

It's called the peace dividend.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

UK contribution to EU as a proportion of GDP?

0.32%

Big saving.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Consider what the UK contributes today to eastern Europe to what Britain spent historically on Eastern Europe.

The Cold War.

Remember that?

Defence spending by UK today is about 2.33% of GDP.

In 1945, it was 52%.

By 1950, it was 6%.

By 1954, it was 11%.

1959 and 7%.

4% in 1980.

2.33% today.

We no longer spend money on military confrontation with eastern europe.

Instead, we contribute a fraction towards its economic development.

It's called the peace dividend.

"
well according to you on another post we dont need to as putin is a friend of boris.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

well according to you on another post we dont need to as putin is a friend of boris. "

We don't need to what?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"

well according to you on another post we dont need to as putin is a friend of boris.

We don't need to what?"
spend anything

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I think you are confusing me with someone else.

Are you on the sherry?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"I think you are confusing me with someone else.

Are you on the sherry?

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you must have someone posting under your name in the johnsonm16 and russian oligarchs thread then as im sure you was inferring johnson was putins man.funny you mention sherry on that thread too.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

For centuries, Russia suffered wave after wave of invasion from the west.

1945 changed that - it created a buffer zone to protect itself from invasion.

A series of satellite states, branded as the Warsaw Pact.

It lost control of that territory in the 1990s.

Now, they are part of an increasingly powerful trading bloc.

Russia sees the EU as a threat on its doorstep.

What previous generations achieved through blood and bullet, today's generation is achieving with €s.

Russia is pushing back, hence its interference in the UK in order to destabilise the EU.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

is that a sorry you are not confusing me with someone else??????????

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"I think you are confusing me with someone else.

Are you on the sherry?

you must have someone posting under your name in the johnsonm16 and russian oligarchs thread then as im sure you was inferring johnson was putins man.funny you mention sherry on that thread too. "

What other reason does he have to suppress a report of Russian meddling in UK politics?

The Conservative Party has been bought by Russian donors, it appears.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP   Man
over a year ago

salisbury


"For centuries, Russia suffered wave after wave of invasion from the west.

1945 changed that - it created a buffer zone to protect itself from invasion.

A series of satellite states, branded as the Warsaw Pact.

It lost control of that territory in the 1990s.

Now, they are part of an increasingly powerful trading bloc.

Russia sees the EU as a threat on its doorstep.

What previous generations achieved through blood and bullet, today's generation is achieving with €s.

Russia is pushing back, hence its interference in the UK in order to destabilise the EU.

"

So essentially Russia wants peace, it wants it's buffer back. Makes sense to me.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

If you understand the recent history of Russia, it is about protection of its territory more than anything else.

It still feels betrayed by the West over the expansion of NATO into the Warsaw Pact countries.

Russia thought it had an agreement with the US and co that NATO would not move into the vacuum when communism collapsed.

NATO now borders Russia.

Destabilisation of the EU is one way a resurgent Russia is pushing back.

Part of that strategy is destabilisation of the UK.

Putin and Trump share a common interest in that respect.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Another part of the strategy is energy.

Russia is a big player in energy - nuclear, gas especially.

It wants to become a dominant supplier of energy to eastern and central Europe.

When your country is dependent upon a third party for its energy, that third party has quite a bit of leverage over you.

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