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By *lex46 OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Following on from a previous thread.

If people aged 16 and 17 are ever going to be given the chance to vote, on what basis can they still remain anonymous if they commit any crimes?

Surely freedom comes with some responsibility?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I think that rule applies only in England, doesn't it?

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By *lex46 OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Possibly, I'm not sure without looking it up.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

What sort of country tries 10-year-old boys as adults in an adult court, but gives protection to 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds?

That's fucked up.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Following on from a previous thread.

If people aged 16 and 17 are ever going to be given the chance to vote, on what basis can they still remain anonymous if they commit any crimes?

Surely freedom comes with some responsibility? "
Surely if they can vote they can then fight for there country to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Following on from a previous thread.

If people aged 16 and 17 are ever going to be given the chance to vote, on what basis can they still remain anonymous if they commit any crimes?

Surely freedom comes with some responsibility? Surely if they can vote they can then fight for there country to"

Why?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Following on from a previous thread.

If people aged 16 and 17 are ever going to be given the chance to vote, on what basis can they still remain anonymous if they commit any crimes?

Surely freedom comes with some responsibility? Surely if they can vote they can then fight for there country to

Why? "
Well the main reason for 18 year olds being given the vote was because they could fight for there country,so surely this should apply to 16 year olds

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Why do you equate the right to vote with military service?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Why do you equate the right to vote with military service?

"
Read above simple

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

You can join the Army at 16, you cannot deploy on operations until you are 18 which coincidentally is the voting age

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only reason labour want to give 16/17 year olds the vote ...is cos they think it s fashionable to support corbyn ...it’s cringeable watching corbyn creep round the students and the “ban the bomb” brigade ..... “Oh Jeremy Corbyn “...it’s embarrassing !!! .......Corbyn and McDonnell are out of touch with “real working/ middle class “ labour voters...rather get in by sucking up to first time voters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely if they can vote they can then fight for there country to"

You can vote at 80, would be a pretty poor army if we put them on the front lines!

Lowering the voting age has happened often in history, and probably will again. But right before an election is not the time to discuss it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we're basing right to vote depending on if you can join the army then by all means we should have a maximum voting age in place too. It's only fair, too many old people are claiming "they" fought for this country when it's actually their fathers and grandfather's, this generation can't keep relying on what daddy did for them and I'm sure their fathers wouldn't like them taking credit for their fight.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"You can join the Army at 16, you cannot deploy on operations until you are 18 which coincidentally is the voting age

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Only with your parents' consent can you join at 16.

You can actually apply when you're 15 years and 7 months; do you think this should then be the voting age?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

There's more to the Armed Forces than waging war, much, much more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's more to the Armed Forces than waging war, much, much more "

Yeah,when was the last time anyone "fought for their country".

All the wars in my lifetime have been for control over oil resources or for some other political, economic reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's get back to the subject, the right to vote has nothing to do with killing, or being killed. And technically the armed forces serve the monarch not the government.

As I said before lowering the age of voting rights has been a theme through history, and has not been connected to armed services for several centuries, but it needs to ge discussed and agreed somewhere in the middle of a government term not weeks before an election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let's get back to the subject, the right to vote has nothing to do with killing, or being killed. And technically the armed forces serve the monarch not the government.

As I said before lowering the age of voting rights has been a theme through history, and has not been connected to armed services for several centuries, but it needs to ge discussed and agreed somewhere in the middle of a government term not weeks before an election. "

Well left leaning people will tend to want younger people to be allowed to vote. As theyre statistically more likely to vote Labour or green.

And right leaning people will tend to not want younger people to vote as they're less likely to vote Tory/ukip/brexit.

Other than that. Meh.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Let's get back to the subject, the right to vote has nothing to do with killing, or being killed. And technically the armed forces serve the monarch not the government.

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I agree.

Why people want to connect the right to vote with military service is beyond me.

The issues are unrelated.

Voting is a right, or it ought to be.

Joining the military is a choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was 50 years between giving all 21 year olds the vote and lowering the age to 18 in 1970. Been about 50 years since then, so the debate is due.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The irony of this post on Armistice Day is that most of those who were slaughtered in WWI did not have the vote. it was not a war fought for democracy.

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