FabSwingers.com forum: Jo and Nicola in LaLa land

By *thwalescpl OP Couple
over a year ago

brecon

So, with 20 MP'S currently, one is a party leader who has thrown her dummy out of the pram because she cant take part in televised debates between party leaders..and she says she has a chance to be the next Prime Minister.

I think she needs to realise that, with one fifteenth the MP's that the Tories have, even if she doubled her number she would still be way short of the target to become leader of the UK.

At best, she may be able to prop up a minority govt, and lets not forget how that went the last time.

And now Nicola has waded in saying the price for her support of a Labour minority govt is an Indy Ref (again, after the last one, which was supposed to be a once in a generation vote), even though she has actually said she isnt a big fan of JC.

So, one has delusions of granduer, and the other would get into bed politically with a man she doesnt like in her quest to break up the UK.

Ah, politics, it attracts the kooks, maybe we should rename the Houses of Parliament as the UK nuttyfarm!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

so whats the difference between what you have described and what arlene foster and the DUP have effectively done with here 10 mp's since the 2017 GE?

genuinely curious............

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By *thwalescpl OP Couple
over a year ago

brecon

"so whats the difference between what you have described and what arlene foster and the DUP have effectively done with here 10 mp's since the 2017 GE?

genuinely curious............"

Didnt you see where I mentioned them...kooks lol?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"So, with 20 MP'S currently, one is a party leader who has thrown her dummy out of the pram because she cant take part in televised debates between party leaders..and she says she has a chance to be the next Prime Minister.

I think she needs to realise that, with one fifteenth the MP's that the Tories have, even if she doubled her number she would still be way short of the target to become leader of the UK.

At best, she may be able to prop up a minority govt, and lets not forget how that went the last time.

So, one has delusions of granduer, and the other would get into bed politically with a man she doesnt like in her quest to break up the UK.

Ah, politics, it attracts the kooks, maybe we should rename the Houses of Parliament as the UK nuttyfarm!

I can see exactly why Swindon is angry.

Just having The Liar and the Revolutionary gives the impression of a binary decision.

It is not. Now more than ever.

You don't get that because you aren't choosing. You've decided

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

maybe for them its the lesser of two evils and she would rather work with JC on a "subject by subject" basis rather than work with Johnson, who is dispised in scotland and has said some rather nasty things about those people "north of the border" before.....

I don't see anything bad with that...

is it any worse that farage going out of his way to want to work with johnson... or like we said before Arlene foster and the DUP......

the name of the game is that if you don't get a majority, then you will have to work with people, whether you like it or not...

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"maybe for them its the lesser of two evils and she would rather work with JC on a "subject by subject" basis rather than work with Johnson, who is dispised in scotland and has said some rather nasty things about those people "north of the border" before.....

I don't see anything bad with that...

is it any worse that farage going out of his way to want to work with johnson... or like we said before Arlene foster and the DUP......

the name of the game is that if you don't get a majority, then you will have to work with people, whether you like it or not..."

That requires acting like grownups though.

Unlikely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually, Sturgeon hasn’t said the SNP would support a minority government in return for a referendum. She said it would be a case by case support in return for support of the principal of a referendum. She categorically ruled out any support at all for a minority Conservative government and as the third party in Westminster, will have a deciding position in any hung parliament.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The art of politics is compromise. It's such a pity so few in Westminster have any grasp of it.

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By *thwalescpl OP Couple
over a year ago

brecon

"Actually, Sturgeon hasn’t said the SNP would support a minority government in return for a referendum. She said it would be a case by case support in return for support of the principal of a referendum. She categorically ruled out any support at all for a minority Conservative government and as the third party in Westminster, will have a deciding position in any hung parliament."

No, that's incorrect. I saw the interview with her, and she stated categorically that she would only support a Labour minority govt if the IndyRef2 got the green light.

She then went on to say she didn't much like JC, and for the rest of the govt period she would support, or not support Labour, on a case by case basis.

So, worst case scenario, the SNP get IndyRef2, and then don't like anything else the Labour govt are trying to achieve, and we end up with a minority govt that gets nothing done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The devil is in the detail and that word ‘support’. She categorically ruled out supporting a minorityLabour government by forming a coalition with it but that if Labour accepted the principle of an independent referendum, they’d support it on a case for case basis.

If the majority of the people of Scotland wish a referendum, it’s not for the rest of the UK to deny it What happens to the rest of the UK is up to it tbh.

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

I ( probably mistakenly ) thought all major parties should have roughly the same airtime for political promotion arguments . Maybe that’s only for party political broadcasts though .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so whats the difference between what you have described and what arlene foster and the DUP have effectively done with here 10 mp's since the 2017 GE?

genuinely curious............"
None !

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple
over a year ago

Giffnock

Someone said Johnson is despised in Scotland - Sturgeon is despised moreso in Scotland - with her unhealthy obsession to leave the UK at any costs !

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By *thwalescpl OP Couple
over a year ago

brecon

"I ( probably mistakenly ) thought all major parties should have roughly the same airtime for political promotion arguments . Maybe that’s only for party political broadcasts though . "

The LibUndems arent even the third largest party, so Jo chucking her teddy out the pram is a bit of a joke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone said Johnson is despised in Scotland - Sturgeon is despised moreso in Scotland - with her unhealthy obsession to leave the UK at any costs !"

And yet recent polls suggest SNP will increase their number of seats, to the loss of both Labour and Conservative.

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible. "

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

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I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those 38% ? Probably not the way you’d imagine after all the debacle. But who knows.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?"

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

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only 1/3? i thought all snp supporters wanted out of both as that is what will happen if they leave the uk or not.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Two-thirds want Scotland as a member state of EU. One third doesn't. 100 % want out of the UK, however.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Two-thirds want Scotland as a member state of EU. One third doesn't. 100 % want out of the UK, however."
yes i know but they are going to be disappointed as the eu havnt said scotland will be allowed.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

It doesn't matter what the reality of the outcome is. It's just down to what they want and believe. The fantasy of leaving the UK and somehow joining the EU on similar terms.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

It doesn't matter what the reality of the outcome is. It's just down to what they want and believe. The fantasy of leaving the UK and somehow joining the EU on similar terms.

The same way that Leave supporters believe that the transition agreement will "get Brexit done" although there's ten years of extensions and negotiations to go. They also believe that we will somehow be better of despite the evidence to the contrary. "
The difference is the majority in scotland are voting for something they are not going to get where the majority who voted for brexit are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think she needs to realise that, with one fifteenth the MP's that the Tories have, even if she doubled her number she would still be way short of the target to become leader of the UK.

At best, she may be able to prop up a minority govt, and lets not forget how that went the last time.

So, one has delusions of granduer, and the other would get into bed politically with a man she doesnt like in her quest to break up the UK.

Ah, politics, it attracts the kooks, maybe we should rename the Houses of Parliament as the UK nuttyfarm!

Can you tell me where in the Edinburgh agreement its says once in a generation vote ? As far as im aware it was said once by alex salmond and no one else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

It doesn't matter what the reality of the outcome is. It's just down to what they want and believe. The fantasy of leaving the UK and somehow joining the EU on similar terms.

The same way that Leave supporters believe that the transition agreement will "get Brexit done" although there's ten years of extensions and negotiations to go. They also believe that we will somehow be better of despite the evidence to the contrary. The difference is the majority in scotland are voting for something they are not going to get where the majority who voted for brexit are."

The scottish government already has a mandate for a referendum and no one no matter who is in goverment will stop us having one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Two-thirds want Scotland as a member state of EU. One third doesn't. 100 % want out of the UK, however."

100% of Scots want out of the UK? You making up lies again? I don't believe your other quotes either. What do you get out of making this shit up?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Two-thirds want Scotland as a member state of EU. One third doesn't. 100 % want out of the UK, however.

100% of Scots want out of the UK? You making up lies again? I don't believe your other quotes either. What do you get out of making this shit up?"

Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you - I was responding to a question about SNP supporters.

They all want out of the UK, but are split 66/33 on the EU question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A referendum vote for independence though, won’t just be SNP voters. A significant number of my Scottish friends report they’d vote for independence but are not SNP supporters.

As a whole, no area of Scotland voted for leaving the EU. 38% voted leave and 62% remain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Two-thirds want Scotland as a member state of EU. One third doesn't. 100 % want out of the UK, however.

100% of Scots want out of the UK? You making up lies again? I don't believe your other quotes either. What do you get out of making this shit up?

Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you - I was responding to a question about SNP supporters.

They all want out of the UK, but are split 66/33 on the EU question.

I still don't believe your quote. You have no facts to back it up. Has there bedn a survey if every single last SNP voter? The majority will want out of the uk, but I very much doubt 100%. As stated, you are making shit up.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

It doesn't matter what the reality of the outcome is. It's just down to what they want and believe. The fantasy of leaving the UK and somehow joining the EU on similar terms.

The same way that Leave supporters believe that the transition agreement will "get Brexit done" although there's ten years of extensions and negotiations to go. They also believe that we will somehow be better of despite the evidence to the contrary. The difference is the majority in scotland are voting for something they are not going to get where the majority who voted for brexit are.

The scottish government already has a mandate for a referendum and no one no matter who is in goverment will stop us having one"
That is very true wont mean anything though.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Two-thirds want Scotland as a member state of EU. One third doesn't. 100 % want out of the UK, however.

100% of Scots want out of the UK? You making up lies again? I don't believe your other quotes either. What do you get out of making this shit up?

Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you - I was responding to a question about SNP supporters.

They all want out of the UK, but are split 66/33 on the EU question.

Feel free to research it yourself.

Your insults hardly endear me to do it for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Two-thirds want Scotland as a member state of EU. One third doesn't. 100 % want out of the UK, however.

100% of Scots want out of the UK? You making up lies again? I don't believe your other quotes either. What do you get out of making this shit up?

Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you - I was responding to a question about SNP supporters.

They all want out of the UK, but are split 66/33 on the EU question.

Feel free to research it yourself.

Your insults hardly endear me to do it for you.

So you lied, thanks for confirming

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"A referendum vote for independence though, won’t just be SNP voters. A significant number of my Scottish friends report they’d vote for independence but are not SNP supporters.

As a whole, no area of Scotland voted for leaving the EU. 38% voted leave and 62% remain. "

Yes, while the overall dial hasn't moved too much since 2014, there is an underlying churn going on.

Very generally, the middle class voter who was inclined to stay in union with the UK in 2014 is now inclined towards independence and union with the EU, whereas the cloth-cap voter who voted Yes in 2014 has swung round to the Brexit unionist cause.

The forces of nationalism and unionism have effectively squeezed Labour to the margins in Scotland.

The danger for Labour is that the forces of nationalism now evident in England do the same.

Nationalism isn't a value the 21st century Labour movement is comfortable with.

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

You don't like democracy coming at you, do you?

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Please stop peddling that "once in a generation" lie. Or show us where that was part of the SNP manifesto or indy prospectus.

It was mere rhetoric, exhorting voters to seize the opportunity to vote yes, as London would probably be unwilling to flirt with a similar exercise in democracy again. And so it has proved, despite the promise of "vote no to stay in the EC and also get devo max" being worth no more than we would expect from the establishment.

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By *orksCouple25Couple
over a year ago

Leeds

If there is a second Scottish independence referendum and it’s a vote to leave the Union then after the vote if Nicola Sturgeon wants to be consistent it should only happen after she has done a deal with Downing Street which will needs at least 3 years to thrash out and then that deal should be put to the Scots people in a confirmatory (third) referendum regardless how diluted or meaningless that negotiated independence is .

So the option for the Scots on the ballot paper in their confirmatory referendum ( Scottish People’s vote) will be ‘Remain in the UK ‘ or Leave with the ‘Sturgeon diluted independence Deal’ . After all Scots surely won’t want a hard Scexit from the UK.

By that time we will be out of the EU so assuming Scotland votes to Leave with Sturgeons deal and Scotland stays in the EU like she wants then industry in that newly independent Scotland will have to cope with a hard border and Customs checks at Carlisle and Berwick . Fairs fair and what’s good for the goose is good for the gander .

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

I'm surprised it's not more TBH. Every argument for BREXIT applies 10 times more so for IndyScot.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Two-thirds want Scotland as a member state of EU. One third doesn't. 100 % want out of the UK, however."

I'm not sure that's true. I know people who have voted SNP but aren't actually in favour of IndyScot. I know that sounds strange but, in the same way quite a lot of Remainers are still thinking that may vote Tory because they're more scared of something else (in their case Corbyn's Labour) so to some Scottish voters, while not being in favour of IndyScot, will vote SNP because they're more worried about something else (in their case mostly any Tory government).

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

It doesn't matter what the reality of the outcome is. It's just down to what they want and believe. The fantasy of leaving the UK and somehow joining the EU on similar terms.

The same way that Leave supporters believe that the transition agreement will "get Brexit done" although there's ten years of extensions and negotiations to go. They also believe that we will somehow be better of despite the evidence to the contrary. The difference is the majority in scotland are voting for something they are not going to get where the majority who voted for brexit are.

The scottish government already has a mandate for a referendum and no one no matter who is in goverment will stop us having one"

An illegal referendum would not get IndyScot done and I doubt Sturgeon would be daft enough to go for it. A legally agreed route is the only route to peacefully getting IndyScot and that is what Sturgeon and the SNP is committed to. It may take longer but, if it's what the people of Scotland really want, it will eventually happen.

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple
over a year ago

Giffnock

"A legally agreed route is the only route to peacefully getting IndyScot and that is what Sturgeon and the SNP is committed to. It may take longer but, if it's what the people of Scotland really want, it will eventually happen.

"WE", the majority of people in Scotland really dont want to break away from the rest of UK - "WE" are British and voted against breaking the Union !!

SNP - Learn to live with it - you are British !!!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"WE", the majority of people in Scotland really dont want to break away from the rest of UK - "WE" are British and voted against breaking the Union !!

SNP - Learn to live with it - you are British !!!"

Just to be clear I am a Unionist but have no say in this. I'm just pointing out that the SNP's policy is to pursue IndyScot by legal, democratic means, which completely rules out an unauthorised IndyRef.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WE", the majority of people in Scotland really dont want to break away from the rest of UK - "WE" are British and voted against breaking the Union !!

SNP - Learn to live with it - you are British !!!"

Id never class myself as british and in the next independence ref which will be very soon i think youl find the majority of scots will want to leave the unequal broken union

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

It doesn't matter what the reality of the outcome is. It's just down to what they want and believe. The fantasy of leaving the UK and somehow joining the EU on similar terms.

The same way that Leave supporters believe that the transition agreement will "get Brexit done" although there's ten years of extensions and negotiations to go. They also believe that we will somehow be better of despite the evidence to the contrary. The difference is the majority in scotland are voting for something they are not going to get where the majority who voted for brexit are.

The scottish government already has a mandate for a referendum and no one no matter who is in goverment will stop us having one

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i wasnt infering we would have an illegal indyref,we have a legal democratic mandate and no government in Westminster will stand in our way, the courts will see to that

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"WE", the majority of people in Scotland really dont want to break away from the rest of UK - "WE" are British and voted against breaking the Union !!

SNP - Learn to live with it - you are British !!!

Id never class myself as british and in the next independence ref which will be very soon i think youl find the majority of scots will want to leave the unequal broken union "

I'm not so sure. Whilst BREXIT definitely strengthens the moral case for IndyScot it also throws into sharp relief the real problems with breaking away from any union. And the problems we're currently having with BREXIT are as nothing to the economic and social impact IndyScot would have on both Scotland and the rest of the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"WE", the majority of people in Scotland really dont want to break away from the rest of UK - "WE" are British and voted against breaking the Union !!

SNP - Learn to live with it - you are British !!!

Id never class myself as british and in the next independence ref which will be very soon i think youl find the majority of scots will want to leave the unequal broken union

Im more than confident we will vote yes as ppl have had enough of this tory government

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I highly doubt Sturgeon is despised more than Johnson- in fact, I’d suggest it is just not possible.

I agree.

His ratings in Scotland are lower than Farage.

He's seen as a complete tosspot.

I wonder who the one million scots who voted to leave the eu will vote for?

One-third of SNP supporters don't want to be in the UK or the EU. That's proper independence

It doesn't matter what the reality of the outcome is. It's just down to what they want and believe. The fantasy of leaving the UK and somehow joining the EU on similar terms.

The same way that Leave supporters believe that the transition agreement will "get Brexit done" although there's ten years of extensions and negotiations to go. They also believe that we will somehow be better of despite the evidence to the contrary. The difference is the majority in scotland are voting for something they are not going to get where the majority who voted for brexit are.

The scottish government already has a mandate for a referendum and no one no matter who is in goverment will stop us having one

i wasnt infering we would have an illegal indyref,we have a legal democratic mandate and no government in Westminster will stand in our way, the courts will see to that "

I wouldn't bank on that. I think it's unlikely, having twice upheld the legal sovereignty of Westminster twice in the last two years, that the Supreme Court would suddenly rule that sovereignty existed elsewhere. If Scotland could actually legally become independent without the consent of the Westminster Parliament then it would already be sovereign and independent and there would be no need for further independence.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

,we have a legal democratic mandate and no government in Westminster will stand in our way, the courts will see to that "

The Scottish Parliament may have an electoral mandate for a 2nd referendum, but there is no legal mandate.

Matters relating to the constitution are reserved to Westminster under the Scotland Act 1998.

For the Scottish Parliament to authorise and conduct a 2nd referendum, it requires Westminster to devolve the power, as it did temporarily to enable the 2014 plebiscite to be held.

No court can order Westminster to devolve the power.

The line adopted by successive Conservative administrations (influenced very much by Ruth Davidson) has been to:

a) be careful not to rule it out explicitly

b) kick it into the long grass by declaring "now is not the time"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So is there an option to bypass this legality that would be acceptable or is a referendum opportunity dead in the water without ‘permission’?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"So is there an option to bypass this legality that would be acceptable or is a referendum opportunity dead in the water without ‘permission’?"

This question came up in 2011, when the SNP won the Scottish election on a manifesto promising an independence referendum.

The custom and practice in UK politics is that parties who win elections have the right to implement manifesto pledges.

This created a dilemma for Cameron and the Tories at Westminster - the SNP needed their agreement in order to conduct a referendum that was lawful.

It wasn't certain to begin with that Westminster would devolve the power.

Some looked at whether it might be feasible to conduct a "consultative referendum", without the consent of Westminster.

The general view was that legislation passed at Holyrood to conduct such a referendum would be challenged immediately by unionists in court, which would rule the Scottish Parliament was acting outwith its powers.

Common sense prevailed, Cameron and Salmond signed the Edinburgh Agreement setting out the terms and conditions and Holyrood was granted the time-limited power to conduct the referendum.

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over a year ago

Thanks, Sara.

Cameron seems so benign compared to Johnson.....

I did see the tussle over who gets the ‘Yes’’ option has begun- a much nicer connotation than ‘No’.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

If the SNP win the vote in Scotland on December 12, with an unambiguous manifesto about a referendum, it is difficult to see how Westminster could refuse.

They could hold out until the 2021 Scottish election, which would give the nationalists two choices:

a) seek to present it as a de facto referendum

b) seek a mandate for a 2nd referendum

"Once in a lifetime referenda" is defined in law in only place in the UK.

The Belfast Agreement.

Seven years must elapse before a 2nd re-unification referendum could be held.

Seven years is defined as a generation.

2021 is seven years since the last referendum on Scottish independence.

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over a year ago

Scottish Conservatives are begging on Twitter for Labour voters to vote for them instead in order to prevent the breakup of the Union. That’ll go well......

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, politics in Scotland are polarised between unionism and nationalism.

Just as they have been in Northern Ireland for generations.

England is heading in a similar direction now.

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