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"In his speech launching the election campaign, Johnson said he didn't want an election. Very odd since he'd previously called for an election muliple times. "yeah sounds like a great lie until you write the rest of the sentence he said.didnt want an election but its clear that parliament cannot function so its the only course to take.puts a different meaning on it then.  | |||
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"This place is for every lie said during the campaign, please feel free to add the most recent conservative election lies here, come election you decide if they have your vote." What about labour lies? | |||
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"This place is for every lie said during the campaign, please feel free to add the most recent conservative election lies here, come election you decide if they have your vote.What about labour lies?" There's a Labour thread  | |||
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"This place is for every lie said during the campaign, please feel free to add the most recent conservative election lies here, come election you decide if they have your vote.What about labour lies?" Are you building up more globules of flob to spit on labour voters again this time? Or was that just during the last election? | |||
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"Anything Johnson says - he is an inveterate liar. Perhaps we should have a thread for things he says that are actually true. " We could, but won't het many, if any replies  | |||
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"Anything Johnson says - he is an inveterate liar. Perhaps we should have a thread for things he says that are actually true. We could, but won't het many, if any replies "20,000 more police officers, so exactly the same amount of police that were cut in 2010 | |||
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"Changing the 40% tax threshold to £80,000 " Interestingly, an MP's salary is currently £79,468. What a coincidence... | |||
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"Thing is, when a party has been in government for 9 years, it likes to talk up all the great things it has achieved in that time. Have you heard a single Conservative talking up all the great things they have delivered? " Surprisingly quiet, ain’t heard heard anything at all. Because they are miserable failures. | |||
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"Another Tory lie, that labour won’t negotiate a brexit deal. Labour has given the the choice brexit deal and confirmation referendum after. It’s the biggest lie of the campaign to think the tories are going to sort this out properly. " But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it  . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest  | |||
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"Like all other political parties did in the previous referendum! Brexit goes beyond party lines. So you will get labour MP’s who will be in favour of the deal, and labour MP’s who won’t same as liberal dems and the tories. But I know labour will get a better deal than the shitty current deal at the moment. Which will be a balanced and fair one, which protects the UK public when we do eventually leave. " What do you base this knowledge on? | |||
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"Like all other political parties did in the previous referendum! Brexit goes beyond party lines. So you will get labour MP’s who will be in favour of the deal, and labour MP’s who won’t same as liberal dems and the tories. But I know labour will get a better deal than the shitty current deal at the moment. Which will be a balanced and fair one, which protects the UK public when we do eventually leave. " I would disagree on this. There is no such thing as a balanced and fair deal to exit the EU. There is just the least worst deal, whatever that might be. I doubt anyone truly knows. Obviously a Labour government would be better than a Tory one. I'm not insane. But there is nothing anyone can do with the braxit shit sandwich. There are no positive outcomes. | |||
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"Like all other political parties did in the previous referendum! Brexit goes beyond party lines. So you will get labour MP’s who will be in favour of the deal, and labour MP’s who won’t same as liberal dems and the tories. But I know labour will get a better deal than the shitty current deal at the moment. Which will be a balanced and fair one, which protects the UK public when we do eventually leave. " You don't even know if the EU are willing to negotiate with any new Government. | |||
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https://www.indy100.com/article/farmer-boris-johnson-brexit-little-britain-bishop-auckland-election-9201031 | |||
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"What this guy said
https://www.indy100.com/article/farmer-boris-johnson-brexit-little-britain-bishop-auckland-election-9201031"That was fun | |||
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"What this guy said
https://www.indy100.com/article/farmer-boris-johnson-brexit-little-britain-bishop-auckland-election-9201031
That was fun "Think he posts on here regularly. | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest "I don't think that is true at all. Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union. It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum. Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is. Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave. Which is no different from the Conservative Party. | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
"Can't waste time! It is something that will affect us for generations to come so why spend 3 days on it! Now let's get on to important things like deciding what colour to paint yellow lines on the road... | |||
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"Boris speaks, Takes credit for everything, and lies about the rest, and blames everything on everyone else." Standard Brexiteer modus operandi. | |||
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"Boris speaks, Takes credit for everything, and lies about the rest, and blames everything on everyone else. Standard Brexiteer modus operandi. "He’s going on about that getting brexit done, if he accepted more time for debate when they voted for his withdrawal agreement it could have been sorted, but he wanted an election, big billy bullshitter. | |||
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She's a shoe-in - Bristol is solid Remain.
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"Got a message on Facebook. From Kerry McCarthy, Labour candidate in Bristol East. "I have recently signed the Remain Labour pledge, which commits me to campaign for Remain in a second referendum. "I believe that east Bristol, and the United Kingdom as a whole, is better off inside the European Union. There is no Brexit deal possible that protects our economy, our rights, and our environmental standards like membership of the EU does."
She's a shoe-in - Bristol is solid Remain.
"Whilst welcome news that labour will win in Bristol if labour need to really win, they need to fight in all constituencies. It’s seems all parties are against labour, fearful that a labour government will bring radical change for the better. After all the chaos and confusion that most of the parties bring, it will be a welcome relief if labour come in and bring much needed grown up politics with stability and prosperity for all. | |||
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"Not sure this if this qualifies as a lie - yet; but it is utter bullshit. Reported from his speech earlier today: A Tory victory on 12 December would see the UK leave the EU in January, he said, and that would be good for the country's "politics, economy and psychological health" after months of paralysis." Yeah right | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
"Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!  | |||
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"This place is for every lie said during the campaign, please feel free to add the most recent conservative election lies here, come election you decide if they have your vote.What about labour lies?" and don't forget the lib dems. They've been caught out telling fibs in their little election leaflet which of course I've made a few paper aeroplanes out of. That lot are definately not democrats. New, name should be Liberal hypocrites | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it! "Again you watched QT and Emily thornbury said that labour would renegotiate the deal and She NOT the Labour Party as a whole would campaign for remain. This conservative trope has been banded about as confused labour policy. JC explicitly said, labour will negotiate a deal, then there will be a confirmatory peoples vote on the issue. There will be sides On yes or no, like it’s always been If JC did the deal, I’d vote for it. Because it’s better than this second rate conservative burn your bridges deal we have. | |||
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"Like all other political parties did in the previous referendum! Brexit goes beyond party lines. So you will get labour MP’s who will be in favour of the deal, and labour MP’s who won’t same as liberal dems and the tories. But I know labour will get a better deal than the shitty current deal at the moment. Which will be a balanced and fair one, which protects the UK public when we do eventually leave. I would disagree on this. There is no such thing as a balanced and fair deal to exit the EU. There is just the least worst deal, whatever that might be. I doubt anyone truly knows. Obviously a Labour government would be better than a Tory one. I'm not insane. But there is nothing anyone can do with the braxit shit sandwich. There are no positive outcomes. " I'm not even convinced that a Labour government or any government could get a better deal. Each time we go and try to negotiate a new deal we seem to end up with a deal worse than the one before. The original one we had (Remain) was a good deal then May got us a deal that was worse for the economy and left us with less control over most of the rules we'd still have to follow. Johnson then went back and negotiated a deal that was so awful that May rejected it when it was offered to her; it's even worse for the economy and leaves us with no more say in any rules we'd still have to follow and puts an internal Custom's border in the UK. Corbyn is now saying he's going to get another deal which is going to probably a bit more like May's deal or the original Remain deal except we'd have even less control over the all rules we'd still have to totally follow. The sooner we all stop kidding ourselves that there some wonderful BREXIT deal out there just waiting for Corbyn or someone else to come along, negotiate it and deliver it to a grateful people the better. I guess this 'lie' applies equally to both the Conservatives and Labour. | |||
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"Like all other political parties did in the previous referendum! Brexit goes beyond party lines. So you will get labour MP’s who will be in favour of the deal, and labour MP’s who won’t same as liberal dems and the tories. But I know labour will get a better deal than the shitty current deal at the moment. Which will be a balanced and fair one, which protects the UK public when we do eventually leave. You don't even know if the EU are willing to negotiate with any new Government. " You're right we don't know for sure but as Corbyn's proposed deal is basically EFTA (all the rules but absolutely no say) I can't see any reason why the EU wouldn't jump at it. | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Can't waste time! It is something that will affect us for generations to come so why spend 3 days on it!
Now let's get on to important things like deciding what colour to paint yellow lines on the road..."Yellow Lines! What do you mean Yellow Lines? Is this all part of Trump's new trade deal? We're going to have to have Yellow Lines down the middle of the roads like in the good old US of A and private American road maintenance companies (which maybe Johnson, Mogg or Theresa May's huspand has shares in) are going to be given the contracts to do it all. Grrrrrrr. | |||
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"Got a message on Facebook. From Kerry McCarthy, Labour candidate in Bristol East. "I have recently signed the Remain Labour pledge, which commits me to campaign for Remain in a second referendum. "I believe that east Bristol, and the United Kingdom as a whole, is better off inside the European Union. There is no Brexit deal possible that protects our economy, our rights, and our environmental standards like membership of the EU does."
She's a shoe-in - Bristol is solid Remain.
Whilst welcome news that labour will win in Bristol if labour need to really win, they need to fight in all constituencies.
It’s seems all parties are against labour, fearful that a labour government will bring radical change for the better.
After all the chaos and confusion that most of the parties bring, it will be a welcome relief if labour come in and bring much needed grown up politics with stability and prosperity for all."FFS, you'll be saying strong and stable next. LOl | |||
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"Got a message on Facebook. From Kerry McCarthy, Labour candidate in Bristol East. "I have recently signed the Remain Labour pledge, which commits me to campaign for Remain in a second referendum. "I believe that east Bristol, and the United Kingdom as a whole, is better off inside the European Union. There is no Brexit deal possible that protects our economy, our rights, and our environmental standards like membership of the EU does."
She's a shoe-in - Bristol is solid Remain.
Whilst welcome news that labour will win in Bristol if labour need to really win, they need to fight in all constituencies.
It’s seems all parties are against labour, fearful that a labour government will bring radical change for the better.
After all the chaos and confusion that most of the parties bring, it will be a welcome relief if labour come in and bring much needed grown up politics with stability and prosperity for all.
FFS, you'll be saying strong and stable next. LOl
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it! "Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen. The official Labour position is 1) Renegotiate a new deal 2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal 3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above. I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct and clear I think!! | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Can't waste time! It is something that will affect us for generations to come so why spend 3 days on it!
Now let's get on to important things like deciding what colour to paint yellow lines on the road...
Yellow Lines! What do you mean Yellow Lines?
Is this all part of Trump's new trade deal? We're going to have to have Yellow Lines down the middle of the roads like in the good old US of A and private American road maintenance companies (which maybe Johnson,
Mogg or Theresa May's huspand has shares in) are going to be given the contracts to do it all.
Grrrrrrr."First my hero Donald Trump will buy the NHS and fix it. Then we will have yellow lines down the middle of the road. Then Mr Trump (if he isn't in prison) will build us a wall around the UK and he'll get Mexico to pay for it. We will then refer to Mr Johnson as Mr President (provided he isn't in prison). | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Can't waste time! It is something that will affect us for generations to come so why spend 3 days on it!
Now let's get on to important things like deciding what colour to paint yellow lines on the road...
Yellow Lines! What do you mean Yellow Lines?
Is this all part of Trump's new trade deal? We're going to have to have Yellow Lines down the middle of the roads like in the good old US of A and private American road maintenance companies (which maybe Johnson,
Mogg or Theresa May's huspand has shares in) are going to be given the contracts to do it all.
Grrrrrrr.
First my hero Donald Trump will buy the NHS and fix it. Then we will have yellow lines down the middle of the road. Then Mr Trump (if he isn't in prison) will build us a wall around the UK and he'll get Mexico to pay for it. We will then refer to Mr Johnson as Mr President (provided he isn't in prison)."Yea, GO TEAM!! | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!" what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth."you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol"If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm? | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol
If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm?"well why bother trying to get a new deal just do the second vote and after 3 yrs saying they will respect the forst vote guess what now they will campaign to remain there a total joke at the moment | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol
If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm?well why bother trying to get a new deal just do the second vote and after 3 yrs saying they will respect the forst vote guess what now they will campaign to remain there a total joke at the moment "I don't mean to be nasty, but could you use some punctuation? Your messages would be clearer that way. | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol
If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm?well why bother trying to get a new deal just do the second vote and after 3 yrs saying they will respect the forst vote guess what now they will campaign to remain there a total joke at the moment "I can see your point. But at the same time, voting without knowing exactly what it is you're voting for is also a bit of a joke. In the referendum did we vote to leave with a deal, without a deal, leave regardless of whether it leaves us in a worse position or not? It's like asking a person what their favourite colour is and giving them the option of 'yes' or 'no'. | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol
If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm?well why bother trying to get a new deal just do the second vote and after 3 yrs saying they will respect the forst vote guess what now they will campaign to remain there a total joke at the moment
I can see your point. But at the same time, voting without knowing exactly what it is you're voting for is also a bit of a joke.
In the referendum did we vote to leave with a deal, without a deal, leave regardless of whether it leaves us in a worse position or not? It's like asking a person what their favourite colour is and giving them the option of 'yes' or 'no'."That is true, there was no afterthought of the repercussions it would have on the fabric of society. That’s just what you would expect from the tories, they deal in absolutes. A very simplistic view of how people are! | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol
If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm?well why bother trying to get a new deal just do the second vote and after 3 yrs saying they will respect the forst vote guess what now they will campaign to remain there a total joke at the moment
I don't mean to be nasty, but could you use some punctuation? Your messages would be clearer that way."i know you don’t mean to be nasty lol to answer yr question tho no I can’t I’m on fab on my mobile I just can’t be arsed mate hope yr not to upset other ppl seem to manage lol | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol
If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm?well why bother trying to get a new deal just do the second vote and after 3 yrs saying they will respect the forst vote guess what now they will campaign to remain there a total joke at the moment
I don't mean to be nasty, but could you use some punctuation? Your messages would be clearer that way.i know you don’t mean to be nasty lol to answer yr question tho no I can’t I’m on fab on my mobile I just can’t be arsed mate hope yr not to upset other ppl seem to manage lol"Imthesametoofuckinglazytousethespacebarihopethisisnttoomuchworkforyoutoreadeveryoneelseseemstomanagelol | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol
If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm?well why bother trying to get a new deal just do the second vote and after 3 yrs saying they will respect the forst vote guess what now they will campaign to remain there a total joke at the moment
I don't mean to be nasty, but could you use some punctuation? Your messages would be clearer that way.i know you don’t mean to be nasty lol to answer yr question tho no I can’t I’m on fab on my mobile I just can’t be arsed mate hope yr not to upset other ppl seem to manage lol
Imthesametoofuckinglazytousethespacebarihopethisisnttoomuchworkforyoutoreadeveryoneelseseemstomanagelol"lmaooo or see you do have a sense of humour mate he’s me thinking you were one of them tossers with yr nose stuck in the air who gets of looking down ya nose at folk my fault judging a book by its cover lol | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth.you forgot to say after they get this great deal they will campaign to remain so against there own great deal so what is the point it’s a joke lol
If you are so convinced that people will once again vote to leave what's the harm?well why bother trying to get a new deal just do the second vote and after 3 yrs saying they will respect the forst vote guess what now they will campaign to remain there a total joke at the moment
I don't mean to be nasty, but could you use some punctuation? Your messages would be clearer that way.i know you don’t mean to be nasty lol to answer yr question tho no I can’t I’m on fab on my mobile I just can’t be arsed mate hope yr not to upset other ppl seem to manage lol
Imthesametoofuckinglazytousethespacebarihopethisisnttoomuchworkforyoutoreadeveryoneelseseemstomanagelollmaooo or see you do have a sense of humour mate he’s me thinking you were one of them tossers with yr nose stuck in the air who gets of looking down ya nose at folk my fault judging a book by its cover lol"Nah it's all good mate | |||
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"Yes, the Tory campaign is rooted in the gullibility of voters. " It's so sad :'-( | |||
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" But labour want to waste time negotiating another deal and then will campaign against it . So they want to go into fresh negotiations whilst holding a serious conflict of interest
I don't think that is true at all.
Labour says it will seek a soft exit agreement to remain customs union.
It will then present this to the people in a 2nd referendum.
Corbyn says he will be neutral on the vote, promising to implement whatever the outcome is.
Sure, there are some Labour MPs who will argue for Remain and others who will argue for Leave.
Which is no different from the Conservative Party.
Not true. The official labour position is to renegotiate a new deal and then campaign against it!
Actually that's not the official Labour position, although it is the position being taken by a lot of their front bench spokesmen.
The official Labour position is
1) Renegotiate a new deal
2) Have a special conference to decide if they actually support the new, oppose the new deal or are neutral about the new deal
3) Call a confirmatory referendum on the new deal with Remain as an option and either campaign for the new deal and against Remain, campaign for Remain and against the new deal or don't campaign in the referendum on the new deal at all; depending on what was decided at point 2 above.
I know it's taken a few more lines to summarise than your incorrect summation of the Labour policy on BREXIT but this is correct
and clear
I think!!
what utter tosh! Here This was taken from the party site
“What will happen in the final say vote?
It won’t be a re-run of 2016. This time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or to remain in the European Union.
A Labour government will negotiate a sensible deal within three months of being elected. It will be based on the things we always discussed and said were necessary with the EU and which are supported by trade unions and businesses. This includes a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections.
Within six months of being elected, we will put that deal to a public vote, alongside remain. Two clear options, both agreed with the EU – no false promises or bluster. Labour will then carry out whatever the people decide.”
There you go straight from the proverbial horses mouth."In even more words than I used you've pretty much said the policy is what I said it was, except you totally missed out the bit about having a special conference to decide whether Labour would campaign for the new deal, for Remain or be neutral. I'm just glad I don't have to try and explain it on the doorstep. | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good." I guess Johnson wasn't lying when he said "Fuck business" and, like the 20 Tory BREXIT rebels, this is the price business has to pay for not backing Johnson's dysfunctional BREXIT plans. | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good." It's really not that hard to be outside IR35 as long as you're a bona fide contractor. Unless, of course, you're only using contracting as a way of avoiding paying tax.... | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good. I guess Johnson wasn't lying when he said "Fuck business" and, like the 20 Tory BREXIT rebels, this is the price business has to pay for not backing Johnson's dysfunctional BREXIT plans. " When they asked Osborne what the Government was planning to do about the Engineering shortage I don't recall his answer being that he would drive the contract engineering labour force into overseas contracts with draconian IR35 laws. The NHS has already lost it's IT contractors and now the banking sector will need to do the same. 20% of businesses are looking at getting rid of their contractors despite the fact that projects will have to go on hold because of a skills shortage. HMRC says it will increase it's tax income, but personally I'm now looking at moving my company offshore. I will then pay £0 into the HMRC coffers as opposed to a current tax bill which is higher than the average national wage. How does that increase HMRC revenue? Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg! | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good. It's really not that hard to be outside IR35 as long as you're a bona fide contractor. Unless, of course, you're only using contracting as a way of avoiding paying tax...." Many businesses are getting rid of their contractors wholesale whether they fall inside or outside of IR35. They are using a blanket approach rather than an individual case basis simply because the issue has become too complex and too risky. I am finding it difficult to find a contract unless I am under an umbrella company which is just a different way of getting screwed. Even the courts are saying the CEST tool is biased in HMRCs favour and doesn't work. | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good. It's really not that hard to be outside IR35 as long as you're a bona fide contractor. Unless, of course, you're only using contracting as a way of avoiding paying tax.... Many businesses are getting rid of their contractors wholesale whether they fall inside or outside of IR35. They are using a blanket approach rather than an individual case basis simply because the issue has become too complex and too risky. I am finding it difficult to find a contract unless I am under an umbrella company which is just a different way of getting screwed. Even the courts are saying the CEST tool is biased in HMRCs favour and doesn't work." Have you a Ltd Co? Do you have a substitute clause? Can the client refuse a suitably qualified, skilled and experienced substitute? Are you exclusive to the client in your contract, or can you work for others? Do you employ others (either direct or indirect)? Do you use your own tools and equipment, software? Are you working on clearly defined projects, or managing 'business as usual' for the client? Is your position part of the client's organisation structure? Do you have to ask the client for leave? Answers to these questions will help to inform you, and your client, if you fall inside or outside of IR35. Granted, the confusion surrounding IR35 changes are making some clients think twice before hiring contractors, but this will settle down as they become more comfortable with the changes and their interpretation. I know of contractors that have worked exclusively for the same client for a number of years (7 in one case); which clearly will now not be legal, and rightly so. | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good. It's really not that hard to be outside IR35 as long as you're a bona fide contractor. Unless, of course, you're only using contracting as a way of avoiding paying tax.... Many businesses are getting rid of their contractors wholesale whether they fall inside or outside of IR35. They are using a blanket approach rather than an individual case basis simply because the issue has become too complex and too risky. I am finding it difficult to find a contract unless I am under an umbrella company which is just a different way of getting screwed. Even the courts are saying the CEST tool is biased in HMRCs favour and doesn't work. Have you a Ltd Co? Do you have a substitute clause? Can the client refuse a suitably qualified, skilled and experienced substitute? Are you exclusive to the client in your contract, or can you work for others? Do you employ others (either direct or indirect)? Do you use your own tools and equipment, software? Are you working on clearly defined projects, or managing 'business as usual' for the client? Is your position part of the client's organisation structure? Do you have to ask the client for leave? Answers to these questions will help to inform you, and your client, if you fall inside or outside of IR35. Granted, the confusion surrounding IR35 changes are making some clients think twice before hiring contractors, but this will settle down as they become more comfortable with the changes and their interpretation. I know of contractors that have worked exclusively for the same client for a number of years (7 in one case); which clearly will now not be legal, and rightly so. " Personally I've given up on the contracting after 20 years and, for the time being, have taken a permanent position until all the uncertainty dies down. The problem as I see it is that none of these politicians from either side actually understand how truly flexible, none exploitative, employment markets actually work. | |||
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"The tories just tried an astonishingly brazen and misleading trick. During the Johnson/Corbyn debate, the CCHQ (tory party press office) official twitter feed renamed itself factcheckuk and tweeted anti-Labour posts. Strongly implying, falsely, that they were an impartial fact check service." Twitter have asked them to remove it, and not to do it again. Social media really is bringing new dimensions to election campaigns. | |||
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"The tories just tried an astonishingly brazen and misleading trick. During the Johnson/Corbyn debate, the CCHQ (tory party press office) official twitter feed renamed itself factcheckuk and tweeted anti-Labour posts. Strongly implying, falsely, that they were an impartial fact check service. Twitter have asked them to remove it, and not to do it again. Social media really is bringing new dimensions to election campaigns. " That “stunt” last night was really low and it’s interesting to see they are trying to defend the indefensible... it was crude and some some authoritarian governments would do I know Twitter won’t, but if they banned them for ...let’s say 48hrs (remember this is not the first time they have been naughty, the starmer doctored video) it would slow them down | |||
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"The conservatives are now the ministry of truth...?? You couldn’t make this shit up unless you were a conservative of course... Proper 1984 trick.. Did they really think they’d get away with it.. "Yes they did think they will get away with it. Trum playbook. Just keep lying bigger and bigger and you won’t be held to account. Seems Ralf Little renamed his account as a parody of the CCHQ fact-check account and himself has been given a timeout on Twitter. Ludicrous that they won’t ban CCHQ for what they did. But did ban him for a parody of it. -Matt | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good. It's really not that hard to be outside IR35 as long as you're a bona fide contractor. Unless, of course, you're only using contracting as a way of avoiding paying tax.... Many businesses are getting rid of their contractors wholesale whether they fall inside or outside of IR35. They are using a blanket approach rather than an individual case basis simply because the issue has become too complex and too risky. I am finding it difficult to find a contract unless I am under an umbrella company which is just a different way of getting screwed. Even the courts are saying the CEST tool is biased in HMRCs favour and doesn't work. Have you a Ltd Co? Do you have a substitute clause? Can the client refuse a suitably qualified, skilled and experienced substitute? Are you exclusive to the client in your contract, or can you work for others? Do you employ others (either direct or indirect)? Do you use your own tools and equipment, software? Are you working on clearly defined projects, or managing 'business as usual' for the client? Is your position part of the client's organisation structure? Do you have to ask the client for leave? Answers to these questions will help to inform you, and your client, if you fall inside or outside of IR35. Granted, the confusion surrounding IR35 changes are making some clients think twice before hiring contractors, but this will settle down as they become more comfortable with the changes and their interpretation. I know of contractors that have worked exclusively for the same client for a number of years (7 in one case); which clearly will now not be legal, and rightly so. " I fall way outside IR35. But if HMRC chooses to investigate me, it won't matter. The legal fees will bankrupt me. Many of the banks for instance HSBC, have applied a blanket policy against contracting regardless of whether you fall in or ourside of IR35. NHS did the same and suffered for it. Yes there are people who are using a contractor status in name only to avoid taxes. But then the are legitimate contractors too. IR35 just throws the baby out with yhe bathwater. | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good. It's really not that hard to be outside IR35 as long as you're a bona fide contractor. Unless, of course, you're only using contracting as a way of avoiding paying tax.... Many businesses are getting rid of their contractors wholesale whether they fall inside or outside of IR35. They are using a blanket approach rather than an individual case basis simply because the issue has become too complex and too risky. I am finding it difficult to find a contract unless I am under an umbrella company which is just a different way of getting screwed. Even the courts are saying the CEST tool is biased in HMRCs favour and doesn't work. Have you a Ltd Co? Do you have a substitute clause? Can the client refuse a suitably qualified, skilled and experienced substitute? Are you exclusive to the client in your contract, or can you work for others? Do you employ others (either direct or indirect)? Do you use your own tools and equipment, software? Are you working on clearly defined projects, or managing 'business as usual' for the client? Is your position part of the client's organisation structure? Do you have to ask the client for leave? Answers to these questions will help to inform you, and your client, if you fall inside or outside of IR35. Granted, the confusion surrounding IR35 changes are making some clients think twice before hiring contractors, but this will settle down as they become more comfortable with the changes and their interpretation. I know of contractors that have worked exclusively for the same client for a number of years (7 in one case); which clearly will now not be legal, and rightly so. I fall way outside IR35. But if HMRC chooses to investigate me, it won't matter. The legal fees will bankrupt me. Many of the banks for instance HSBC, have applied a blanket policy against contracting regardless of whether you fall in or ourside of IR35. NHS did the same and suffered for it. Yes there are people who are using a contractor status in name only to avoid taxes. But then the are legitimate contractors too. IR35 just throws the baby out with yhe bathwater. " Then insure yourself against it. | |||
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"The most persistent lie you will hear this election is that Labour politicians caused the financial crash and were responsible for austerity. To those who repeat this mantra, all I can say is you are falling for the biggest at attempt at deflection perpetrated by those responsible for the financial crash - the financiers whose industry was consumed by its own greed. " Sadly many in the Bolton QT audience still believe that lie, parroting it like it’s gospel. This is the problem, why are poor people supporting the ambitions of the privileged few? This servile mentality of the master looking after their best interests, is stupid. When people talk about taking back control, they mean for their masters. Anyone who votes tory are just servants. Go serve master boris the bullshitter. Go now, hurry up master boris is telling you. | |||
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"The most persistent lie you will hear this election is that Labour politicians caused the financial crash and were responsible for austerity. To those who repeat this mantra, all I can say is you are falling for the biggest at attempt at deflection perpetrated by those responsible for the financial crash - the financiers whose industry was consumed by its own greed. Sadly many in the Bolton QT audience still believe that lie, parroting it like it’s gospel. This is the problem, why are poor people supporting the ambitions of the privileged few? This servile mentality of the master looking after their best interests, is stupid. When people talk about taking back control, they mean for their masters. Anyone who votes tory are just servants. Go serve master boris the bullshitter. Go now, hurry up master boris is telling you." People often prefer to believe a lie. When they're later told the truth, they can get angry and push back against the truth. Because they've believed the lie for long enough to be invested in it. It's an oddity about many of us. We should be angry at those who originally lied to us. Not those who later tell us the truth. | |||
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"Corporation tax reduction promise now broken and reversed. Well it's not like anyone is going to invest in us now so let's screw the ones who haven't left yet. Put that together with IR35 and the UK won't have any form of flexible labour force. Overseas contracts are starting to look really good. It's really not that hard to be outside IR35 as long as you're a bona fide contractor. Unless, of course, you're only using contracting as a way of avoiding paying tax.... Many businesses are getting rid of their contractors wholesale whether they fall inside or outside of IR35. They are using a blanket approach rather than an individual case basis simply because the issue has become too complex and too risky. I am finding it difficult to find a contract unless I am under an umbrella company which is just a different way of getting screwed. Even the courts are saying the CEST tool is biased in HMRCs favour and doesn't work. Have you a Ltd Co? Do you have a substitute clause? Can the client refuse a suitably qualified, skilled and experienced substitute? Are you exclusive to the client in your contract, or can you work for others? Do you employ others (either direct or indirect)? Do you use your own tools and equipment, software? Are you working on clearly defined projects, or managing 'business as usual' for the client? Is your position part of the client's organisation structure? Do you have to ask the client for leave? Answers to these questions will help to inform you, and your client, if you fall inside or outside of IR35. Granted, the confusion surrounding IR35 changes are making some clients think twice before hiring contractors, but this will settle down as they become more comfortable with the changes and their interpretation. I know of contractors that have worked exclusively for the same client for a number of years (7 in one case); which clearly will now not be legal, and rightly so. I fall way outside IR35. But if HMRC chooses to investigate me, it won't matter. The legal fees will bankrupt me. Many of the banks for instance HSBC, have applied a blanket policy against contracting regardless of whether you fall in or ourside of IR35. NHS did the same and suffered for it. Yes there are people who are using a contractor status in name only to avoid taxes. But then the are legitimate contractors too. IR35 just throws the baby out with yhe bathwater. Then insure yourself against it." I shall. But something wrong when honest businessmen have to take out insurance against dishonest HMRC. | |||
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"The most persistent lie you will hear this election is that Labour politicians caused the financial crash and were responsible for austerity. To those who repeat this mantra, all I can say is you are falling for the biggest at attempt at deflection perpetrated by those responsible for the financial crash - the financiers whose industry was consumed by its own greed. Sadly many in the Bolton QT audience still believe that lie, parroting it like it’s gospel. This is the problem, why are poor people supporting the ambitions of the privileged few? This servile mentality of the master looking after their best interests, is stupid. When people talk about taking back control, they mean for their masters. Anyone who votes tory are just servants. Go serve master boris the bullshitter. Go now, hurry up master boris is telling you. People often prefer to believe a lie. When they're later told the truth, they can get angry and push back against the truth. Because they've believed the lie for long enough to be invested in it. It's an oddity about many of us. We should be angry at those who originally lied to us. Not those who later tell us the truth." Its true people don’t like to feel stupid. | |||
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"Look for Peter Osborne's website. Boris-johnson-lies" Yeah, seen that before. Well worth reading. | |||
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"Tory party have borrowed more than and owe more in interest, than any previous government, our credit rating has been dropped Government borrowing hits five-year high amid election spending into 2019 - 20 Borrowing in the first seven months of the 2019-20 financial year was £46.3bn, an increase of £4.3bn on the same period in 2018-19. In five of the seven months, borrowing was higher than in the previous year. Up 10 % Railway debt ! Theroll out of HS2 has cost billions and billions of wasted tax payers money and is on the scrap heap as its cost have rocketes from 40 billion to 80 - 110 billion the ten year view 150 billion. The tories set up a false shipping company for brexit that had no ships for heavens sake, cost of 14 million down the pan." HS2 fell foul of IR35. They expect contractors to work for them while the HMRC persecutes them? The government is like a dog that chews its own leg off to feed itself. | |||
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"Tory party have borrowed more than and owe more in interest, than any previous government, our credit rating has been dropped Government borrowing hits five-year high amid election spending into 2019 - 20 Borrowing in the first seven months of the 2019-20 financial year was £46.3bn, an increase of £4.3bn on the same period in 2018-19. In five of the seven months, borrowing was higher than in the previous year. Up 10 % Railway debt ! Theroll out of HS2 has cost billions and billions of wasted tax payers money and is on the scrap heap as its cost have rocketes from 40 billion to 80 - 110 billion the ten year view 150 billion. The tories set up a false shipping company for brexit that had no ships for heavens sake, cost of 14 million down the pan." Let’s not forget the money they wasted on setting up universal credit, or advertising on brexit, telling immigrants they are not welcome, restructuring the NHS In the past the tories had more principals, this current bunch are morally barren and incompetent. But the daily fail would have you believe they are the best thing since the introduction of electricity. So many lies they have told by the tories , like that they were not selling the NHS in a future trade deal with the USA. Which is so scandalous. But the brainwashed tory supporters will get them in for another 5 years. | |||
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"Tory party have borrowed more than and owe more in interest, than any previous government, our credit rating has been dropped Government borrowing hits five-year high amid election spending into 2019 - 20 Borrowing in the first seven months of the 2019-20 financial year was £46.3bn, an increase of £4.3bn on the same period in 2018-19. In five of the seven months, borrowing was higher than in the previous year. Up 10 % Railway debt ! Theroll out of HS2 has cost billions and billions of wasted tax payers money and is on the scrap heap as its cost have rocketes from 40 billion to 80 - 110 billion the ten year view 150 billion. The tories set up a false shipping company for brexit that had no ships for heavens sake, cost of 14 million down the pan. Let’s not forget the money they wasted on setting up universal credit, or advertising on brexit, telling immigrants they are not welcome, restructuring the NHS In the past the tories had more principals, this current bunch are morally barren and incompetent. But the daily fail would have you believe they are the best thing since the introduction of electricity. So many lies they have told by the tories , like that they were not selling the NHS in a future trade deal with the USA. Which is so scandalous. But the brainwashed tory supporters will get them in for another 5 years. " I agree with everything you've said | |||
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"Tory party have borrowed more than and owe more in interest, than any previous government, our credit rating has been dropped Government borrowing hits five-year high amid election spending into 2019 - 20 Borrowing in the first seven months of the 2019-20 financial year was £46.3bn, an increase of £4.3bn on the same period in 2018-19. In five of the seven months, borrowing was higher than in the previous year. Up 10 % Railway debt ! Theroll out of HS2 has cost billions and billions of wasted tax payers money and is on the scrap heap as its cost have rocketes from 40 billion to 80 - 110 billion the ten year view 150 billion. The tories set up a false shipping company for brexit that had no ships for heavens sake, cost of 14 million down the pan. Let’s not forget the money they wasted on setting up universal credit, or advertising on brexit, telling immigrants they are not welcome, restructuring the NHS In the past the tories had more principals, this current bunch are morally barren and incompetent. But the daily fail would have you believe they are the best thing since the introduction of electricity. So many lies they have told by the tories , like that they were not selling the NHS in a future trade deal with the USA. Which is so scandalous. But the brainwashed tory supporters will get them in for another 5 years. I agree with everything you've said
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"Tories - we are a one nation party - we are all in this together HS2 rail ultra modern line will benefit all LONDON All regions in the far north will benefit hugely from this So the rail line will make your journey to london 20 minutes faster from manchester, All for the cheap cost of 110 billions £ £ £ We will not destroy ancient wildlife, woodlands and villages while doing this THE LIES ROLL EASILY" Actually, HS2 will benefit the north greatly. If you think it is just about saving 20 mins off journey to London, you misunderstand it. It is about moving the express trains off to new track such that you can then have more local stopping services on the original track. Also the plans to link up the "northern powerhouse" cities will use some of the HS2 infrastructure. But yes, the Tories are lying cunts still in general. -Matt | |||
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"HS2 is getting cancelled because the hugely snowballing costs - into the hundreds of billions in the 10 years plus it will take - we all know the cost go up and up and up and up Cancelled service all of the north east rail network is not invested in - all our trains are " age old stock " from down south & all the investment goes to the benefit of LONDON" need to half correct you... as part of the "northern" franchise they are replacing all the old trains with brand new ones... the "Transpennine express" long range one actually start coming into the new timetables as of next week... but back to "northern" all the trains within the next few years are being replaced... but they are starting with manchester and surrounding first (they started coming in in the last few weeks) and will spread outward.... but you are right in that the north east needs an integrated system.... be take expansion of tyne wear metro into a tyne/wear/tees supertram system like the greater manchester metrolink my biggest gripe with the tories and transport is they only see the "northern powerhouse" as the leeds-manchester corridor HS2 can work... but it needs to be fully northern integrated... by that it means leeds-newcastle-edinburgh, and manchester-north west-glasgow and they missed a big trick.... build it from the north down (so you can at least build proper northern high speed between northern cities) and then link it with london and HS1! | |||
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"If the contractors have done with HS2 what they did with the aircraft carriers, they'll have the Government over a barrel. The ship contracts were weighted so heavily in favour of the contractors that it was less costly to complete the ships than it was to cancel the orders. So now we have two hugely expensive flotilla that are draining vast resources from the defence budget. " Which goes someway to explaining why, even though we have our smallest armed forces in modern history, all three services are under manned. So, defence, law and order, economy, aren't these the things the Tories are supposed to be good at? | |||
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"Tories have been in charge for 9 years now. Are we any better off? Still don't understand how they're ahead in the polls. " the reason corbyn labour would have won in 2017 if someone else had been leader and same will happen again this time.yea most of whats said about him is bollox but there is plenty of stuff from over there years that isnt.but way labour is set up to chose leaders i have no doubt he will get picked again.by his own cheerleaders and the 1000s of torys who. joined just to vote for him to because he is the torys greatest election winner | |||
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"Tories have been in charge for 9 years now. Are we any better off? Still don't understand how they're ahead in the polls. " Nobody can, there is something really dodgy going on. | |||
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"Tories have been in charge for 9 years now. Are we any better off? Still don't understand how they're ahead in the polls. the reason corbyn labour would have won in 2017 if someone else had been leader and same will happen again this time.yea most of whats said about him is bollox but there is plenty of stuff from over there years that isnt.but way labour is set up to chose leaders i have no doubt he will get picked again.by his own cheerleaders and the 1000s of torys who. joined just to vote for him to because he is the torys greatest election winner" There is some truth in that. The establishment prefer a Labour leader like Blair, who is basically Tory-lite. They'd be much happier with someone who wouldn't try to make any meaningful change, like Corbyn would. | |||
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"Tories have been in charge for 9 years now. Are we any better off? Still don't understand how they're ahead in the polls. Nobody can, there is something really dodgy going on. " Because the current opposition is so truly terrible it makes the Tories look..... OK, or even good..... | |||
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"Tories have been in charge for 9 years now. Are we any better off? Still don't understand how they're ahead in the polls. Nobody can, there is something really dodgy going on. Because the current opposition is so truly terrible it makes the Tories look..... OK, or even good..... " It’s quite disappointing that a great leader on the opposition hasn’t been found. Someone like Blair, but not too much like Blair. If Boris went against a Tony Blair type leader, the man would not stand a chance. | |||
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"Tory party have borrowed more than and owe more in interest, than any previous government, our credit rating has been dropped Government borrowing hits five-year high amid election spending into 2019 - 20 Borrowing in the first seven months of the 2019-20 financial year was £46.3bn, an increase of £4.3bn on the same period in 2018-19. In five of the seven months, borrowing was higher than in the previous year. Up 10 % Railway debt ! Theroll out of HS2 has cost billions and billions of wasted tax payers money and is on the scrap heap as its cost have rocketes from 40 billion to 80 - 110 billion the ten year view 150 billion. The tories set up a false shipping company for brexit that had no ships for heavens sake, cost of 14 million down the pan. Let’s not forget the money they wasted on setting up universal credit, or advertising on brexit, telling immigrants they are not welcome, restructuring the NHS In the past the tories had more principals, this current bunch are morally barren and incompetent. But the daily fail would have you believe they are the best thing since the introduction of electricity. So many lies they have told by the tories , like that they were not selling the NHS in a future trade deal with the USA. Which is so scandalous. But the brainwashed tory supporters will get them in for another 5 years. " I have not seen any evidence that the NHS is up for sale. I think we can safely accept that the government will carry on running the NHS. The problem we face is that in the UK everyone either wants something for nothing or expect other people to pay for it. The health service is not free in eithr Ireland or France . | |||
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"Tories have been in charge for 9 years now. Are we any better off? Still don't understand how they're ahead in the polls. Nobody can, there is something really dodgy going on. Because the current opposition is so truly terrible it makes the Tories look..... OK, or even good..... It’s quite disappointing that a great leader on the opposition hasn’t been found. Someone like Blair, but not too much like Blair. If Boris went against a Tony Blair type leader, the man would not stand a chance. " Yeah I'd say you're right | |||
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"Tory party have borrowed more than and owe more in interest, than any previous government, our credit rating has been dropped Government borrowing hits five-year high amid election spending into 2019 - 20 Borrowing in the first seven months of the 2019-20 financial year was £46.3bn, an increase of £4.3bn on the same period in 2018-19. In five of the seven months, borrowing was higher than in the previous year. Up 10 % Railway debt ! Theroll out of HS2 has cost billions and billions of wasted tax payers money and is on the scrap heap as its cost have rocketes from 40 billion to 80 - 110 billion the ten year view 150 billion. The tories set up a false shipping company for brexit that had no ships for heavens sake, cost of 14 million down the pan. Let’s not forget the money they wasted on setting up universal credit, or advertising on brexit, telling immigrants they are not welcome, restructuring the NHS In the past the tories had more principals, this current bunch are morally barren and incompetent. But the daily fail would have you believe they are the best thing since the introduction of electricity. So many lies they have told by the tories , like that they were not selling the NHS in a future trade deal with the USA. Which is so scandalous. But the brainwashed tory supporters will get them in for another 5 years. I have not seen any evidence that the NHS is up for sale. I think we can safely accept that the government will carry on running the NHS. The problem we face is that in the UK everyone either wants something for nothing or expect other people to pay for it. The health service is not free in eithr Ireland or France . " The NHS is being run more and more by private providers. It may well remain free at the point of delivery but the tax payer will be paying for the profits of private companies. This is an inherently inefficient use of public money. Coat cutting in healthcare does not lead to better clinical outcomes and there is no competition anyway. It will be a private monopoly. In Ireland healthcare provision is predominantly by the state. 40% pay nothing at all. The rest will pay a subsidised and capped fee for treatment. In France healthcare provision is predominantly by the state. There is an upfront cost that is reimbursed coating the patient between 0 and 6 Euros. Neither has private providers in the state system. Private providers treat private patients. Good effort though. Better than usual | |||
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"If the contractors have done with HS2 what they did with the aircraft carriers, they'll have the Government over a barrel. The ship contracts were weighted so heavily in favour of the contractors that it was less costly to complete the ships than it was to cancel the orders. So now we have two hugely expensive flotilla that are draining vast resources from the defence budget." Who ordered them ? Oh yes labour just like lots of PFI projects that are now costing taxpayers billions, to be fair a lot of it is down to usless pubic servants who havent a clue on the cost of anything in the real world, and then you wonder why people want reform in the NHS | |||
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"If the contractors have done with HS2 what they did with the aircraft carriers, they'll have the Government over a barrel. The ship contracts were weighted so heavily in favour of the contractors that it was less costly to complete the ships than it was to cancel the orders. So now we have two hugely expensive flotilla that are draining vast resources from the defence budget. Who ordered them ? Oh yes labour just like lots of PFI projects that are now costing taxpayers billions, to be fair a lot of it is down to usless pubic servants who havent a clue on the cost of anything in the real world, and then you wonder why people want reform in the NHS" Tory “reforms” endanger peoples lives. | |||
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"Tory party have borrowed more than and owe more in interest, than any previous government, our credit rating has been dropped Government borrowing hits five-year high amid election spending into 2019 - 20 Borrowing in the first seven months of the 2019-20 financial year was £46.3bn, an increase of £4.3bn on the same period in 2018-19. In five of the seven months, borrowing was higher than in the previous year. Up 10 % Railway debt ! Theroll out of HS2 has cost billions and billions of wasted tax payers money and is on the scrap heap as its cost have rocketes from 40 billion to 80 - 110 billion the ten year view 150 billion. The tories set up a false shipping company for brexit that had no ships for heavens sake, cost of 14 million down the pan. Let’s not forget the money they wasted on setting up universal credit, or advertising on brexit, telling immigrants they are not welcome, restructuring the NHS In the past the tories had more principals, this current bunch are morally barren and incompetent. But the daily fail would have you believe they are the best thing since the introduction of electricity. So many lies they have told by the tories , like that they were not selling the NHS in a future trade deal with the USA. Which is so scandalous. But the brainwashed tory supporters will get them in for another 5 years. I have not seen any evidence that the NHS is up for sale. I think we can safely accept that the government will carry on running the NHS. The problem we face is that in the UK everyone either wants something for nothing or expect other people to pay for it. The health service is not free in eithr Ireland or France . " Sometimes I wonder if you are as idiotic as the comments you make....and then sometimes I dont | |||
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"The lies on the bus go round and round... https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/04/burger-king-mocks-vote-leaves-brexit-battle-bus-11270407/amp/" I did laugh when I saw that. | |||
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" The problem we face is that in the UK everyone either wants something for nothing or expect other people to pay for it. The health service is not free in eithr Ireland or France . Sometimes I wonder if you are as idiotic as the comments you make....and then sometimes I dont
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"I heard that Labour may win, Dominic Cummings said that, does that count as i’ve read fantasies less obscure/unlikely than that? " I see where you are going with that, dominic cummings is not officially a tory, he’s A svengali, the power behind the throne the main strategist. Of course he would say that, he wants more people to vote tory, ever heard of reverse psychology? | |||
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"The lies on the bus go round and round... https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/04/burger-king-mocks-vote-leaves-brexit-battle-bus-11270407/amp/" Whoppers | |||
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