FabSwingers.com forum: No 10 refuse to release Russia Interference report

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The report on whether Russia had interfered with the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election, including links between Russian "donations" and who they went to was recently completed, verified and sent to No 10 to be passed onto a public release.

However it seems Boris and the rest at No 10 have decided to hold back this document until AT MINIMUM after the next upcoming General Election.

That's a bit weird eh? It's like they've got something to hide.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Definitely it's right that the public understand the legitimacy of our voting in elections and the referendum - it should be mandatory that No 10 is forced to do so before the next election. Odds on that the news paints a bad picture for Johnson but he's so desperate that he will stop at nothing to get what he wants.

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

Is it another Steel dossier.

If the Russians had been interfering with Uk politics. It is because they don't want a certain outcome or they do.

What would they fear from the uk.

The Uk staying in the E.U. And the E.U. becoming a super state. A super fascist state.

Even the U.S. don't want us to stay in the E.U. for the same reason.

Johnson ... Remainer

Corbyn ... Remainer.

Swinson ... Remainer.

What a load of bollocks that I have just wrote.

or is it.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Is it another Steel dossier.

If the Russians had been interfering with Uk politics. It is because they don't want a certain outcome or they do.

What would they fear from the uk.

The Uk staying in the E.U. And the E.U. becoming a super state. A super fascist state.

Even the U.S. don't want us to stay in the E.U. for the same reason.

Johnson ... Remainer

Corbyn ... Remainer.

Swinson ... Remainer.

What a load of bollocks that I have just wrote.

or is it. "

Russia are scared of the EU becoming a "super fascist state"

Bollocks it is

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Guaranteed to be leaked now.

Probably via the Kremlin website.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Is it another Steel dossier.

If the Russians had been interfering with Uk politics. It is because they don't want a certain outcome or they do.

What would they fear from the uk.

The Uk staying in the E.U. And the E.U. becoming a super state. A super fascist state.

Even the U.S. don't want us to stay in the E.U. for the same reason.

Johnson ... Remainer

Corbyn ... Remainer.

Swinson ... Remainer.

What a load of bollocks that I have just wrote.

or is it. "

It has more truth than you realise or not.

The Foundations of Geopolitics is a book by Aleksandr Dugin. It is a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military. it calls for subversion, destabilization, and disinformation to achieve its aims which for america include

"*fuel instability and separatism,** for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."*

It also advocates that United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe, as part of a plan to destabilise the EU.

Arron Banks has previously lied about meetings with Russians and his business dealings with Russian companies

Domnic Cummings worked in Russia from 94-97. Cummings was held for contempt of Parliament after he failed to appear before the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee inquiry into claims of false news during the referendum campaign.[25] The resolution admonishing him was passed by resolution of the House of Commons on 2 April 2019

Alexsandr Dugin has also been developing links with Britain First

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's a shame this thread doesn't have more posts, where's the usual audience? Costa, Andy, etc, you guys are quick to shout off, I want to hear how you defend this or will you lot just pretend it's not happening?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

No 10 refuses to release a secret counterespionage report...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame this thread doesn't have more posts, where's the usual audience? Costa, Andy, etc, you guys are quick to shout off, I want to hear how you defend this or will you lot just pretend it's not happening?"

Why would I shout off about this? Why would I "defend" anything, I never "defend" anything? unless there's another Andy you're on about.....

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Donald Trump is pushing quite a conspiracy theory about all of this.

He says it's not the Russians who are doing this, but Ukrainians. They just want to make it look like the Russians because they want to get the Russians into trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a friend who works for one of the major banks who has had quite a few dealings with mr Banks and although the business was good for my friend, last year he decided to decline it and passed it on to someone else - the reason why was the amount of unanswerable questions about all the dubious Russian money sloshing about in Mr Banks accounts and businesses. Of course this could all be seen as hearsay or innuendo and I have no way of proving it but I heard it from the horses mouth as it were!

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

the beauty of being in power is you choose when you do things.anyone honesly think if this shitshow was in labours hands they would do anything any diiferent.when your in power you do anything to keep it.when in oppisition you do whatever you can to get it.i know people think that politicians should be honest but it never gona happen no matter who in power

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"the beauty of being in power is you choose when you do things.anyone honesly think if this shitshow was in labours hands they would do anything any diiferent.when your in power you do anything to keep it.when in oppisition you do whatever you can to get it.i know people think that politicians should be honest but it never gona happen no matter who in power"

Let me see if I understand you. You are saying that if labour were in power that they would do exactly the same? Is that your defence of Johnson refusing release the report or something else?

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By *ykmwyldTV/TS
over a year ago

Belpre

First of all, Russia, under Putin, will interfere anywhere it can, that's a well known fact. They interfered in the 2016 US presidential election, and got a racist, sexist, draft dogging, idiot, crook, elected as president, and they will interfere in the UK election too!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

My opinion on this subject has changed in the last 12 hours.

12 hours ago my position was: Counterespionage are kept secret for good reason and attempting to make political capital from the refusal to release such a report is reprehensible. However since then I have heard that the report will be published AFTER the general election, and that changes everything for me!

If the report says our elections and the referendum were not interfered with then there is no reason to hold back its release until AFTER the General Election.

If the report shows hostile foreign entities attacked our democratic processes and once discovered the means by which those attacks were made were countered, then that would show our government were protecting us from outside interference and therefore there would be no reason for the government to withhold the report until after the General Election.

The only reason to SUPPRESS this report until after the General Election is that it is critical of the government. There are only 2 reasons why this would be the case:

1. The government knew of the attack IN ADVANCE and DID NOTHING!

2. The government HAS DONE NOTHING since it found out we have had our democratic processes attacked!

I for one am constantly appalled by the way Tories wrap themselves in the flag while continually placing party before country. I expect this is going to prove to be another example of this hypocrisy. But considering we know many millions have been funneled into the Tory coffers from sources close to or within the Kremlin it is no wonder.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The other thing to keep in mind is its effect on the fortunes of Johnson's chum Trump in Congress.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Let me see if I understand you. You are saying that if labour were in power that they would do exactly the same? Is that your defence of Johnson refusing release the report or something else?"

yep got it in one youreally think if labour were in power they wouldnt do anything to keep it.as for defending johnson???? i think he is a prick just like all the rest of them and didnt labour release a document to take us to war that was complete bollox like i said they will all lie to stay in power.amazes me people think any of yhem are honest but u run along and tick ya box like a good little sheep lol as if it makes a difference.half the country love the torys half dont and it will be same under labour

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Let me see if I understand you. You are saying that if labour were in power that they would do exactly the same? Is that your defence of Johnson refusing release the report or something else?

This isn't about defending Johnson, this is about defending the UK electoral system from repeated attack from foreign Hostile powers. Do you really see that as a partisan Issue?

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

im telling you if it was corbyn in power right at this momment and that report was inconviniant to him yea he would withold it.like i said those in power will do anything to keep it and those trying to get power will tell you anything to get it. its a big game to them all unlike the majority of the country there fuck ups dont affect there cosy lifes so they dont give a fuck about the general public no matter what coulor flag there under

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"im telling you if it was corbyn in power right at this momment and that report was inconviniant to him yea he would withold it.like i said those in power will do anything to keep it and those trying to get power will tell you anything to get it. its a big game to them all unlike the majority of the country there fuck ups dont affect there cosy lifes so they dont give a fuck about the general public no matter what coulor flag there under"

The right always comes out with the same justification, the other side would do the same.

Show me one instance where JC has lied or suppressed information because it is inconvenient.

But hey, you trust the proven liar de Pfeffel, who has been sacked on multiple occasions for lying to his employers.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"im telling you if it was corbyn in power right at this momment and that report was inconviniant to him yea he would withold it."

Why do you think the report is inconvenient for Mr Johnson? Does he have something to hide?

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

We also seem to have done remarkably little about a certain release of a nerve agent on UK soil which led to the death of a UK citizen - in most countries that would be regarded as an act of terrorism.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"im telling you if it was corbyn in power right at this momment and that report was inconviniant to him yea he would withold it.

Why do you think the report is inconvenient for Mr Johnson? Does he have something to hide?

its obviously inconveniant otherwise they would publish.hey i not defending him he a prick like all the rest.just pointin out if any of the others were in his shoes they would be doing the same.being cunts aint exclucive to one party.they all dodgy as fuck

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

The right always comes out with the same justification, the other side would do the same.

Show me one instance where JC has lied or suppressed information because it is inconvenient.

But hey, you trust the proven liar de Pfeffel, who has been sacked on multiple occasions for lying to his employers."

you really shouldnt assume bill.i not from the right or a tory you have to be deluded to support any of them they do.t give a fuck about you.lol your just as bad as a tory mate jezza is beyond reproach in your eyes.and wasnt it labour who lied to start a war that killled a million iraqis??? oh i forgot that wasnt real labour

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Business Insider reporting that donations from Russian nationals to the Conservative Party doubled in last 12 months to £500,000.

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

"Business Insider reporting that donations from Russian nationals to the Conservative Party doubled in last 12 months to £500,000.

Wow !! between June 2016 and February 2017 Max Mosley donated £500,000 to Tom Watson to support his office as deputy leader and shadow culture secretary.

Was he trying to influence him and affect the outcome of the 2017 election ?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Wow !! between June 2016 and February 2017 Max Mosley donated £500,000 to Tom Watson to support his office as deputy leader and shadow culture secretary.

Was he trying to influence him and affect the outcome of the 2017 election ?

Just so I have this right...

You see no difference between Russians giving money into the Tory party while Russia is being investigated for interfering and undermining our democratic processes and a London born son of British parents making donations to a parliamentarian?

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Yeah it was the Russians lol

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Business Insider reporting that donations from Russian nationals to the Conservative Party doubled in last 12 months to £500,000.

Wow !! between June 2016 and February 2017 Max Mosley donated £500,000 to Tom Watson to support his office as deputy leader and shadow culture secretary.

Was he trying to influence him and affect the outcome of the 2017 election ?

Moseley has made no secret of using his money to support the Leveson recommendations being implemented. Tom Watson campaigned on that issue. If you don't remember Leveson, maybe News of the World, Andy Coulson, Rebekah Brooks, phone hacking, Milly Dowler and Sarah Payne might refresh your memory.

One of the largest recent Russian donors has been Lubov Chernukhin. The wife of a former Russian deputy finance minister, Chernukhin has donated more than £450,000 to the Conservatives in the last year

Another russian donor to the conservatives and personal friend of Boris Johnson is former arms dealer, now British citizen pro brexit Alexander Temerko. Temerko was behind the ERG move to oust then Prime Minister May.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's quite the leap of logic there... for this comparison to work, are we to just assume that anything the Tories may not want made public is also something Labour would not want made public?

I don't buy this lazy ’they’re all as bad as each other’ notion. I would say that in many respects the current leading Tories are objectively and demonstrably worse than their Labour counterparts.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

That's quite the leap of logic there... for this comparison to work, are we to just assume that anything the Tories may not want made public is also something Labour would not want made public?

of course corbyn would do the same if he was in that position.its a big game to them all.what makes you think corbyn is any more trustworthy than bozo.its all about staying in power.labour are just as disho.est as the torys.dodgy report about iraq and a shit load of dead iraqis ring any bells or was that the torys aswell could of sworn labour were in charge then. but i may be mistaken.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's quite the leap of logic there... for this comparison to work, are we to just assume that anything the Tories may not want made public is also something Labour would not want made public?

You can’t really judge Corbyn for stuff Blair did.

And yeah, I do think he’s more trustworthy. He doesn’t have the track record that Boris has, and doesn’t have the Etonian sense of entitlement that Boris has.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

That's quite the leap of logic there... for this comparison to work, are we to just assume that anything the Tories may not want made public is also something Labour would not want made public?

Both sides are the same, thats what labour would do, doesn't make any difference who is in power, Your replies are usually on that theme, that is your right to believe that but with regards to this particular topic, you're ignoring facts that show otherwise

If you check Corbyns voting record, he has consistently voted in favour of motions condemning hostile actions committed by Putin including the invasion of Ukraine, the Salisbury poisoning and the assassination of Litveneko.

On the other hand the Conservatives have taken over £820,000 in donations from Russian Oligarchs and associated companies since May took office. Boris, then foreign secretary didn't think it important to attend the CORBA meeting following the salisbury poisonings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The report on whether Russia had interfered with the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election, including links between Russian "donations" and who they went to was recently completed, verified and sent to No 10 to be passed onto a public release.

However it seems Boris and the rest at No 10 have decided to hold back this document until AT MINIMUM after the next upcoming General Election.

That's a bit weird eh? It's like they've got something to hide."

Hiding potentially damaging evidence on Russian interference, tories also hiding the economic forecasts also. It seems that we are all being hoodwinked. We are being lied to over and over again with impunity. And again conservative supporters would eat the poop quite readily and ask for more.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I'm amazed the document has not been leaked yet...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

An investigation by Open Democracy has found that the Conservatives have received more than £3.5 million from Russian funders since 2010.

While donations slowed down after the poisoning of Russian double agent Sergei Skripal in Salisbury in March 2018, they have picked up again in recent months, according to filings to the Electoral Commission.

Between November 2018 and October 2019, the Tories received at least £489,850 from Russian donors, compared to less than £350,000 in the previous year.

In May, the Conservatives also received almost £20,000 from a lobbying company closely connected to both Russian interests and the upper echelons of the Tory party.

Founded by former Ulster Unionist MP David Burnside, New Century Media was paid by the Kremlin to promote a “positive image” of Russia in the UK in 2013.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Johnson: MPs only need 48 hours to study the EU Withdrawal Agreement

Johnson: I can't be expected to study a report by a parliamentary committee in just a couple of weeks

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Especially when it contains the names of your chums who are funding your election campaign.

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