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By *ensualtouch15 OP Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Its not a wasted vote if we all vocally campaign and convince all remain voters this is our ONLY single chance to remain

Even if at the end most just fall into their old party allegiances and we end up with a left or right shit sandwich we passionate remainers can honorably say we took the correct option

I have now accepted the UK is leaving the EU with either a poor deal a very poor deal a stupid deal or a dire deal

My money safe and business now closed or closing .I'm ok Jack but my brexiteer employees and customers will suffer as I offer unique services and care

Get ready for Brexit. I am but it's a damn sad state of affairs

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Would love to!

But they've never had a sniff of a chance here

My least worst option is fucking Labour!!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yellow Tories. No thanks.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Yellow Tories. No thanks."

It depends, to me party loyalty matters less than stopping Boris, if they are the best change of stopping Boris returning with an working majority, then hold your nose and vote tactical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I vote it will be for the Lib Dems.

I'd rather this election to be on party policy but it's only for fucking Brexit and while I accept the result of the referendum I will not vote for a Brexit through a General election.

If Brexit had been sorted one way or another before the general election then I'd probably vote Tory, but as it isn't sorted and Brexit IS the election then fuck them Tories and their lying cheating bastard of a leader

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Yellow Tories. No thanks."

This election is going to very rapidly become a single issue event sadly.

Brexit trumps all. So historical voting records on other matters get binned. Libdems want Revoke (my preferred option). Labour are Staggering towards a second referendum (god knows what will happen with that!). Tory/Brexit traitors want to ruin the country.

So as I said before, for my locality, Naffing Labour are my least worst choice.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Yellow Tories. No thanks."

Cheep comment from you. Make your case. It's no better than "Vote Labour and get Tory Red BREXIT"

There is only one party that is going to gain if the LibDems and Labour put more effort into knocking seven shades of shit out of each other than they do into stopping Johnson's BREXIT and it isn't going to either the LibDems or Labour.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"If I vote it will be for the Lib Dems.

I'd rather this election to be on party policy but it's only for fucking Brexit and while I accept the result of the referendum I will not vote for a Brexit through a General election.

As been said already, this is not a general election, this is a proxy referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ll be tactically voting for the liberals as it’s a one issue election..As has been said already.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Yellow Tories. No thanks.

It depends, to me party loyalty matters less than stopping Boris, if they are the best change of stopping Boris returning with an working majority, then hold your nose and vote tactical.

Yes, I can understand that where a Lib Dem has a chance of ousting a Conservative.

My constituency is solid Labour, hence no need to hold my nose here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes everyone should vote tactically for the lib dems as they are the only remain party left

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ll be tactically voting for the liberals as it’s a one issue election..As has been said already."
This is the Problem tho , you shouldn’t have to !

You should be able to vote Green and it should count !

I may be on the same boat , my biggest nightmare is a Corbin win and even tho I’m ultra pro Brexit the liberals may have the best chance of beating labour where I live !

How crazy is that !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yellow Tories. No thanks.

It depends, to me party loyalty matters less than stopping Boris, if they are the best change of stopping Boris returning with an working majority, then hold your nose and vote tactical.

Yes, I can understand that where a Lib Dem has a chance of ousting a Conservative.

My constituency is solid Labour, hence no need to hold my nose here.

I don't think anywhere is solid anything at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lib Dem’s, we’re happy to prop up a Tory government . Caused years of austerity, which still affects many in this country.

Fuck the Liberal Democrat’s, opportunistic dogs.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Lib Dem’s, we’re happy to prop up a Tory government . Caused years of austerity, which still affects many in this country.

Fuck the Liberal Democrat’s, opportunistic dogs."

see.... that is the narrative labour will want people to put out

thats nots actually quite the truth... because as part of the coalition they actually got a lot of their policies done...

for example.... shared paternity leave

increase single person tax allowance way above inflation

nursery places for all 3 and 4 yr olds

same sex marriage

the pupil premium giving more money to help children in places that needed it most

the creation of the "green investment bank"

the "triple lock" increase on state pensions....

and so on....

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Lib Dem’s, we’re happy to prop up a Tory government . Caused years of austerity, which still affects many in this country.

Fuck the Liberal Democrat’s, opportunistic dogs.

see.... that is the narrative labour will want people to put out

thats nots actually quite the truth... because as part of the coalition they actually got a lot of their policies done...

for example.... shared paternity leave

increase single person tax allowance way above inflation

nursery places for all 3 and 4 yr olds

same sex marriage

the pupil premium giving more money to help children in places that needed it most

the creation of the "green investment bank"

the "triple lock" increase on state pensions....

and so on...."
,,, which will be the narrative the LibDems will want to put out

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

" which will be the narrative the LibDems will want to put out "

and that is why i find politics so fascinating.... because people can throw mud at walls and see what sticks... or see if they turn out a message of "this is what we actually acheived"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" which will be the narrative the LibDems will want to put out

and that is why i find politics so fascinating.... because people can throw mud at walls and see what sticks... or see if they turn out a message of "this is what we actually acheived" "

But that can be said about all parties, it’s the bad things you’re remembered for not the good

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By *ensualtouch15 OP Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Yellow Tories. No thanks.

It depends, to me party loyalty matters less than stopping Boris, if they are the best change of stopping Boris returning with an working majority, then hold your nose and vote tactical.

Exactly this

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By *ensualtouch15 OP Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Yellow Tories. No thanks."

If 48 percent vote a yellow Tory and remain it will be vast superior than a nazi party leaving with no deal

And so so so sadly the Tories are almost certain to hold a majority

Unless all, all remainers vote lib dems we WILL be leaving

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Yellow Tories. No thanks.

If 48 percent vote a yellow Tory and remain it will be vast superior than a nazi party leaving with no deal

And so so so sadly the Tories are almost certain to hold a majority

Unless all, all remainers vote lib dems we WILL be leaving "

Thats not entirely true.

If labour get in they have said there will be a 2nd referendum on their deal or to remain.

I feel voting labour will result in remaining in the EU in the end.

So that leaves us with the rest of the manifestos of labour and lib dems and if the last general elections manifestos are anything to go by then labours for me wins outright and it was far superior.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

A possible outcome, come Dec 13, is Labour, SNP and Lib Dems all agreeing on a 2nd referendum sometime in 2020 on a soft Brexit proposal negotiated by Keir Starmer.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"A possible outcome, come Dec 13, is Labour, SNP and Lib Dems all agreeing on a 2nd referendum sometime in 2020 on a soft Brexit proposal negotiated by Keir Starmer.

With just "Deal" or "No Deal" on the ballot paper?

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

The lib dems,... A party to forget

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By *ensualtouch15 OP Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"A possible outcome, come Dec 13, is Labour, SNP and Lib Dems all agreeing on a 2nd referendum sometime in 2020 on a soft Brexit proposal negotiated by Keir Starmer.

I'm a staunch remainer

A referendum is the last thing I or anyone who wants to really just remain wants

No one has changed their minds a referendum will lead to a strong mandate to leave .and then there is zero hope

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Yellow Tories. No thanks.

If 48 percent vote a yellow Tory and remain it will be vast superior than a nazi party leaving with no deal

And so so so sadly the Tories are almost certain to hold a majority

Unless all, all remainers vote lib dems we WILL be leaving "

I don't know. I can see it going 2 ways, Boris get his majority or no party having a majority.

If you look at it on party lines

BXP, DUP & Conservatives are all pro brexit.

SNP, Lib Dems & Greens are in favour a 2nd referendum

Labour are saying, we will renegotiate and put have a referendum on their deal or remain.

So be tactical with your vote. There's a lot to play for on both sides. There's 60ish MPs are not standing for election for varying reasons. The incumbent MP always has the advantage.

In some regards another Conservative minority govt that relies on either or both the DUP & BXP could be worse than a clear Tory majority.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

I can't work out if they support a referendum on Scottish Independence

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"A possible outcome, come Dec 13, is Labour, SNP and Lib Dems all agreeing on a 2nd referendum sometime in 2020 on a soft Brexit proposal negotiated by Keir Starmer.

With just "Deal" or "No Deal" on the ballot paper? "

Labour's policy is neat.

If they can get airtime for it.

Basically, trying to shift the narrative of the election campaign away from Brexit.

How?

Brexit? Look you'll get a separate vote on that in 2020, so let's talk about the NHS, schools, housing and so on.

Separating Brexit from the election.

I hope it works.

I think most people are heartily sick of the whole topic now.

Another six weeks of it being rammed down their throats will probably dissuade many from even turning out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yellow Tories. No thanks.

It depends, to me party loyalty matters less than stopping Boris, if they are the best change of stopping Boris returning with an working majority, then hold your nose and vote tactical.

Yes, I can understand that where a Lib Dem has a chance of ousting a Conservative.

My constituency is solid Labour, hence no need to hold my nose here.

I don't think anywhere is solid anything at the moment "
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Yep, I've got a feeling Swinson will get voted out

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"I can't work out if they support a referendum on Scottish Independence "

No, they don't.

But if a majority in Scotland voted for a manifesto calling for a referendum, they would not stand in the way it.

It's no different to the stance David Cameron took after the 2011 Scottish election.

And it would be no different if the same thing happened in Northern Ireland.

When there is clear evidence of demand for the opportunity of self-determination, it is very foolish to ignore it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A possible outcome, come Dec 13, is Labour, SNP and Lib Dems all agreeing on a 2nd referendum sometime in 2020 on a soft Brexit proposal negotiated by Keir Starmer.

With just "Deal" or "No Deal" on the ballot paper?

Labour's policy is neat.

If they can get airtime for it.

Basically, trying to shift the narrative of the election campaign away from Brexit.

How?

Brexit? Look you'll get a separate vote on that in 2020, so let's talk about the NHS, schools, housing and so on.

Separating Brexit from the election.

I hope it works.

I think most people are heartily sick of the whole topic now.

Another six weeks of it being rammed down their throats will probably dissuade many from even turning out.

Labour just need to get rid of Corbyn and their election chances would get a significant boost

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