FabSwingers.com forum: votes for 16/17 yr olds......

By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

works in scotland..... and wales...

should they get to vote in the general election?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes.

Mature enough to have sex, mature enough to get married, mature enough to work . . . mature enough to vote.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Yes.

Mature enough to have sex, mature enough to get married, mature enough to work . . . mature enough to vote.

Old enough to do jury service?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

If you are old enough to be prosecuted as an adult then, yes, why not.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Nope.

Sorry, really no, unless you are willing to lower the age at which you the young can serve as infantry. Of course to do that you need to be willing to have child soldiers which in itself is a criminal act under international law. To be honest I would much prefer raising both lower age limits to 21. But then that's just me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No !

Not even old enough for Starbucks !

Health and safety !

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

I think they should there a lot more clued up now

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

They sure should as it's there future as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Empower the youngsters to have a stake in the society...Don’t fear the youth.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt"

Bollocks, how can it be corrupt ? give them the vote,

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. They are still far too impressionable and likely to be steered by their peers. Given the attempted political brain washing they are subjected to in the education system I am starting to think the age should be raised to 21. Give them time to experience real issues in life and form their own views, not just mirror opinions of others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt"

Yeah, because only people under 21 are immature, eh?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. They are still far too impressionable and likely to be steered by their peers. Given the attempted political brain washing they are subjected to in the education system I am starting to think the age should be raised to 21. Give them time to experience real issues in life and form their own views, not just mirror opinions of others."

You do realise that shit is what got brexit voted for, yes?! Not one under 21 year old involved!

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies, "

Would you let an 90 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are joking? People of all ages are as naive , gullible and politically brain washed as 16 year olds, the EU referendum has proved that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they should be and encouraged to do so. All this talk of immaturity.. There's plenty on show on Fab and we're all over 18.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they should be and encouraged to do so. All this talk of immaturity.. There's plenty on show on Fab and we're all over 18. "

Give them a stake in their own future.

And.. What's wrong with idealism? Or aiming for Utopia? Shouldn't that be everyones end goal? Obviously we all have different versions of what that is. It's not like all the other parties dont peddle dangerous lies either, is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they should be and encouraged to do so. All this talk of immaturity.. There's plenty on show on Fab and we're all over 18.

Give them a stake in their own future.

The older generation don’t believe in idealism, they have become so bitter and resentful they won’t allow the younger generation to aspire either

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Absolutely no reason what-so-ever why 16 year olds are not allowed to vote

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Give children a vote ?.., you’re having a laugh ain’t ya lol lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Give children a vote ?.., you’re having a laugh ain’t ya lol lol"

Why are you laughing at the end of your sentence ? They give 90 year olds the vote??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Give children a vote ?.., you’re having a laugh ain’t ya lol lol

Why are you laughing at the end of your sentence ? They give 90 year olds the vote?? "

Your prejudice is quite disturbing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Give children a vote ?.., you’re having a laugh ain’t ya lol lol

Why are you laughing at the end of your sentence ? They give 90 year olds the vote??

Your prejudice is quite disturbing. "

Ah, the irony is quite disturbing

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Two of our children are secondary school teachers. Both are left leaning in their political views.

Both, having taught children up to 18 years old, say that there is no way that 16 or 17 year olds should ever have the vote.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Absolutely not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was chatting with an educational psychologist a while ago and she said most 16 year olds are more than capable of making informed decisions and critical thinking .Its taught at school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they should be able to do that

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"Give children a vote ?.., you’re having a laugh ain’t ya lol lol

Why are you laughing at the end of your sentence ? They give 90 year olds the vote?? "

I’m

Laughing at the stupidity of thinking the future of our country should be decided by children. What’s wrong with 90 year olds . ?. Why are you prejudiced about elderly people ?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Give children a vote ?.., you’re having a laugh ain’t ya lol lol

Why are you laughing at the end of your sentence ? They give 90 year olds the vote??

I’m

Laughing at the stupidity of thinking the future of our country should be decided by children. What’s wrong with 90 year olds . ?. Why are you prejudiced about elderly people ?. "

Elderly people are prone to all sorts of degenerative conditions (failing eyesight, lack of mobility, parkinsons, dementia, etc) and they can easily become isolated and out of touch which in many cases makes them retreat into what they see as a safe place ie the good old days. There are no tests on cognitive ability that are applied to voting and therefore if there is a bias towards the irrational and nonsensical in ageing voters there are no limits to their influence pernicious or otherwise. I mean for gods sake, a doctor has to sign you off to be fit to drive once you have reached seventy so perhaps voting should be restricted to those who are capable? I have mixed feelings about lowering the voting age because I have met young people who have widely diverging opinions (there are lots of posh public school brats in Bristol) and the idea that they would all be more left of centre is very debatable as I think its far more likely that there lack of experience relatively would either encourage more emotional choices or would put them off voting for life!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Give children a vote ?.., you’re having a laugh ain’t ya lol lol

Why are you laughing at the end of your sentence ? They give 90 year olds the vote??

I’m

Laughing at the stupidity of thinking the future of our country should be decided by children. What’s wrong with 90 year olds . ?. Why are you prejudiced about elderly people ?. "

I am not, why are you prejudiced against 16 & 17 year olds??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Two of our children are secondary school teachers. Both are left leaning in their political views.

Both, having taught children up to 18 years old, say that there is no way that 16 or 17 year olds should ever have the vote."

I have 2 friends who are secondary school teachers who say 16 to 17 years olds should definitely be allowed the vote.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies,

Would you let an 90 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids? "

How about answering my question instead of ignoring it, makes it obvious that you wouldn't but wont admit it.

As to yours the answer is if they had years of experience and had shown by CPD that they were still capable then yes it would be fine if not then no, perhaps there should be a test before every vote to see who understands the issues, would cut a good few out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies,

Would you let an 90 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids?

How about answering my question instead of ignoring it, makes it obvious that you wouldn't but wont admit it.

If the 16 or 17 year olds had passed all the relevant training the why can’t they fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery ? Are you suggesting that only brain surgeons and pilots can vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know any 16 or 17 year olds so could not possibly judge. I know my 2 lads were pretty opinionated by the time they were 16, especially the younger one. What a feisty so and so he has turned into. He has a right to his opinion just as much as me, though sometimes I get a bit upset by it and tend to try and change the subject if he goes off on one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, they should have a say in their future. Not have it ruined by someone else

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

Here

100 % no

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies, "
can you perform brain surgery or fly a jumbo jet then ? Ffs get a grip 16 yrold sofa tday are way more smarter than us lot and more clues up woth the ways off the world than we ever were at there age I was still beck jumping and going egging at there age lol

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

I have discussed political issues with 17year olds and held similar conversations with people my own age (60s) , the depth of knowledge of the youngsters far outweighs that of my age group , it should be the other way round but unfortunately it isn't ,,,, although looking into the future maybe it is a blessing ,,, give 16 year olds the vote NOW

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies, can you perform brain surgery or fly a jumbo jet then ? Ffs get a grip 16 yrold sofa tday are way more smarter than us lot and more clues up woth the ways off the world than we ever were at there age I was still beck jumping and going egging at there age lol"

Times have changed..

My daughter at 14 is on the debate team. There was no such thing at my school not that anyone would get involved.We were to busy buying fags and fighting the rival school and trying to pull birds and buying cider...Good times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes to them voting. If nothing else, it would lead to hilarious incidents of politicians trying to show they were down with the yoof.

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By *ez1987Man
over a year ago

Great Harwood, Blackburn

Hell yeah 16 should be the legal age to vote for anything,

Politics should be taught at schools more but should be nuteral teaching and not biased as I know some lecturers are more one sided and try to push their party over allowing people to make an informed choice.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

Perhaps if you took a look at the exams they sit now you would change your mind, when my stepsons were at school I sed to help them with their homework at times and I was shocked at how the standards had dropped rom when my own kids were at at school 8 years earlier, half the kids dont seem to be able to even use there, their and they're these days.

Its not all about education either its about life experience, hings are so black and white at that age and life isnt like that, mind a few here still seem to think it is

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

Times have changed..

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wow you lot downnsouth must be more mature than us northerners pulling birds only thing I pulled was there hair and ran of lol

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Research from the Scottish referendum - when 16 and 17 year olds got the vote - was interesting.

Their Yes/Right leaning was no different from the population at large.

It would be the same in a General Election, I imagine.

Some will be clued up and keen vote, others will vote for the one they fancy and others couldn't give a flying fuck about voting. Just like every other adult, really.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Research from the Scottish referendum - when 16 and 17 year olds got the vote - was interesting.

Their Yes/Right leaning was no different from the population at large.

It would be the same in a General Election, I imagine.

Some will be clued up and keen vote, others will vote for the one they fancy and others couldn't give a flying fuck about voting. Just like every other adult, really."

It's worthy of debate but it won't happen for this GE.

I'm sure that Labour will bring it forward to the HoC should they win the impending GE.

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By *izbitMan
over a year ago

St Helens

Yes throughly agree that 16+ should now be the voting norm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a chance would I trust any of mine to vote I believe it should be higher 21 and before any moans I also don't think they should be able to join fully up into the army till 21

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Govt sources have just said they will pull the bill if voting is extended to 16+ and EU nationals

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I'm not sure that the Deputy Speaker will allow any vote on changing the GE Franchise.

This is a simple Bill, designed to get through Parliament quickly, and its not convention to allow Backbenchers to amend such a Bill.

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

they want their general election so badly, if this is the price, why should the government get to take their ball home....

this would kill their "delaying brexit" arguement.....

its snp and lib dem policy to support voting for 16/17 yr olds..... if labour vote for it as well then how about the compromise being they get the work started in the mean time...

if they have them on the scottish and welsh election rolls already, thats is some of the work already done!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not going to be happening for this election as the deputy speaker has not allowed that amendment to be debated.

To be fair, given that the bill being put forward would require the dissolving of parliament either at the end of this week, or early next week, something as significant as lowering the voting age would need far more time to deal with.

For one, it would require consultation and committee stages etc etc etc.

Perhaps those parties in favour of lowering the voting age could put such a policy in their election manifestos

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By *ucidityWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"Yes.

Mature enough to have sex, mature enough to get married, mature enough to work . . . mature enough to vote.

Exactly.

It’s their future too.

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Not going to be happening for this election as the deputy speaker has not allowed that amendment to be debated.

For one, it would require consultation and committee stages etc etc etc.

Perhaps those parties in favour of lowering the voting age could put such a policy in their election manifestos"

actually... already is snp party policy (they do it for the scottish elections) and it is lib dem policy.....

the only parties that are really dead set against are the conservatives and the brexit party (well farage anyway!)

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt"

You what?

If 16yr olds are deemed mature enough to legally marry and have children, then yes... they should also be allowed to vote and have a say in who forms the government which will in part shape their children’s lives.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Not going to be happening for this election as the deputy speaker has not allowed that amendment to be debated.

For one, it would require consultation and committee stages etc etc etc.

Perhaps those parties in favour of lowering the voting age could put such a policy in their election manifestos"

It already is in manifestos.

I agree about the timescale - it takes a while - months - to adjust the electoral roll.

The people moaning about this would have objected to lowering the voting age from 21 for men and 28 for women.

We'd all be going to hell in a hand cart if it was allowed.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

Rubbish . If 16 year olds aren’t allowed to drive, how can anyone justify them being given the ability to elect a government . 16 year old spotty , ignorant of the world children. Wise the fuck up ppl

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

16 year olds can drive on a public road.

50cc mopeds.

17 year olds can drive cars on a public road.

what's your point, exactly?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You can fly an aeroplane solo at the age of 16 in the UK.

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

old enough to be paying taxes if they are working.... so why should they not have a say where there money is in effect spent.....

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

old enough to be paying taxes if they are working.... so why should they not have a say where there money is in effect spent....."

16 year olds paying taxes?... don’t think so. 16 year olds earning more than £11k per year?. Don’t think so . Is that the best you can come up with ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope.

No I'm afraid your not alone on this one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

old enough to be paying taxes if they are working.... so why should they not have a say where there money is in effect spent.....

16 year olds paying taxes?... don’t think so. 16 year olds earning more than £11k per year?. Don’t think so . Is that the best you can come up with ?"

You really are detached from reality and making a fool of yourself a bit.

I was earning £13,000 at 16 and so were many others I knew and that was 29 years ago. Not every 16 year old works in Macky D's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

old enough to be paying taxes if they are working.... so why should they not have a say where there money is in effect spent.....

16 year olds paying taxes?... don’t think so. 16 year olds earning more than £11k per year?. Don’t think so . Is that the best you can come up with ?

You really are detached from reality and making a fool of yourself a bit.

I was earning £13,000 at 16 and so were many others I knew and that was 29 years ago. Not every 16 year old works in Macky D's "
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In 1989 the average 3 bedder was 65k so roughly a fifth today it's 201k so you'd need to be on 40k at 16 today.

Sorry but that's not being realistic for even a well above average 16 year old, especially considering your legally obligated to continue either education or a apprenticeship till 18.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

old enough to be paying taxes if they are working.... so why should they not have a say where there money is in effect spent.....

16 year olds paying taxes?... don’t think so. 16 year olds earning more than £11k per year?. Don’t think so . Is that the best you can come up with ?

You really are detached from reality and making a fool of yourself a bit.

I was earning £13,000 at 16 and so were many others I knew and that was 29 years ago. Not every 16 year old works in Macky D's .

In 1989 the average 3 bedder was 65k so roughly a fifth today it's 201k so you'd need to be on 40k at 16 today.

Sorry but that's not being realistic for even a well above average 16 year old, especially considering your legally obligated to continue either education or a apprenticeship till 18."

Yep things have changed a lot but to dismiss 16 year old as not being in the tax bracket is ignorant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

old enough to be paying taxes if they are working.... so why should they not have a say where there money is in effect spent.....

16 year olds paying taxes?... don’t think so. 16 year olds earning more than £11k per year?. Don’t think so . Is that the best you can come up with ?

You really are detached from reality and making a fool of yourself a bit.

I was earning £13,000 at 16 and so were many others I knew and that was 29 years ago. Not every 16 year old works in Macky D's .

In 1989 the average 3 bedder was 65k so roughly a fifth today it's 201k so you'd need to be on 40k at 16 today.

Sorry but that's not being realistic for even a well above average 16 year old, especially considering your legally obligated to continue either education or a apprenticeship till 18.

Yep things have changed a lot but to dismiss 16 year old as not being in the tax bracket is ignorant "
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You could well be in a tax bracket, JCB offer some of the best apprenticeships going starting salary at 16 is £15,600... Things certainly have changed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

old enough to be paying taxes if they are working.... so why should they not have a say where there money is in effect spent.....

16 year olds paying taxes?... don’t think so. 16 year olds earning more than £11k per year?. Don’t think so . Is that the best you can come up with ?

You really are detached from reality and making a fool of yourself a bit.

I was earning £13,000 at 16 and so were many others I knew and that was 29 years ago. Not every 16 year old works in Macky D's .

In 1989 the average 3 bedder was 65k so roughly a fifth today it's 201k so you'd need to be on 40k at 16 today.

Sorry but that's not being realistic for even a well above average 16 year old, especially considering your legally obligated to continue either education or a apprenticeship till 18.

Yep things have changed a lot but to dismiss 16 year old as not being in the tax bracket is ignorant .

You could well be in a tax bracket, JCB offer some of the best apprenticeships going starting salary at 16 is £15,600... Things certainly have changed"

Indeed

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

Is this irony? They’re still allowed to marry and have children, both off which seem pretty responsible things to do.

Driving presumably has more to do with the safety aspects rather than the ability to have valid opinions on things like health, education, politics, crime etc.

You might have felt ignorant of the world at 16, but don’t assume the same about other 16yr olds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder why some people are so vehemently against some sections of working age society being given the mechanism to help shape their own futures

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

You do realise that shit is what got brexit voted for, yes?! Not one under 21 year old involved! "
Proves the point what do kids know about life?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do realise that shit is what got brexit voted for, yes?! Not one under 21 year old involved! Proves the point what do kids know about life?"

You may want to reread what I said...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Some people hate change.

Be it votes for the working class, be it votes for women, be it votes for teenagers.

None of these things was ever granted willingly by the ruling class.

How do you think we all got the vote?

Because the working class rose up against the ruling class and demanded it.

Now you lot want to kick away the ladder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"works in scotland..... and wales...

should they get to vote in the general election?"

They should, get into the habit of voting

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

I would go further, start teaching civics in school and make voting compulsory like Australia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At 16 you can be working and paying tax so yes give them the vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be an enabler of young adults rather than a critic.They get enough criticism as it is .

Their values and opinions only enrich us.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

If 16 year old children are allowed to vote, then they should be allowed to stand as an MP. If they become MPs they should be allowed to stand as PM. Listen to yourselves. Can’t remember the last time a spotty immature 16 yr old ever said anything remotely sensible.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"If 18 year old children are allowed to vote, then they should be allowed to stand as an MP. If they become MPs they should be allowed to stand as PM. Listen to yourselves. Can’t remember the last time a spotty immature 18 yr old ever said anything remotely sensible. "

Fixed it for you.

The voice of 1969

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If 16 year old children are allowed to vote, then they should be allowed to stand as an MP. If they become MPs they should be allowed to stand as PM. Listen to yourselves. Can’t remember the last time a spotty immature 16 yr old ever said anything remotely sensible. "

It’s not exactly likely that a 16yr old would stand as an MP at 16, and not exactly likely that a 16yr old would have the political experience to be nominated party leader. So the comparison is a bit absurd.

If only people with the experience to be PM could vote, there wouldn’t be many people voting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dinosaur .

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Surprise, surprise - guess who opposed giving the vote to 18-20-year-olds?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Greta Thunberg?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You really live in an elitist bubble.

Go to and listen (that means paying attention) to a youth political debate and you'll see they are far more credible, honest, straight forward, factual, respectful, and outright knowledgeable than 99% of the scum we have sitting in power. The statements they give, the questions they ask, and the answers given actually have value and aren't just spindoctor jargon and fluff. They don't have corporate deals lining their pockets and secret handshake obligation to answer to and are willing to stand up against the utter rubbish. If the sitting MPs had even a fraction of their gumption the would would be a much better place!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need to listen to the ridiculous rubbish you're coming out with mate, making up as farfetched nonsense as possible to try and prove your point trying to compare being allowed to tick a box to being the Prime Minister

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

You have no idea what you are saying. If you are eligible to vote for an MP, you can stand to become an MP. Do you not understand that sonny ?. It’s pretty simple. Even a 16 yr old child can grasp that . If you are an MP, you can put yourself forward in a leadership contest. Do you not understand that either ?. Oh dear. Maybe after all 16 yr olds should get the vote and people unable to grasp simple matters should be barred ( like you )

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

The day prior to the 2016 Referendum I was advised to vote leave because if we remain , the Muslims will not allow us to have Christmas trees in our own homes ,,,,, this was not told to me by a 16 year old but by someone aged 67 who had already sent in their postal vote ,,

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

You make a very convincing argument. I'm not sure what for though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I think 18 is to young,should be 21,kids to not have the maturity to vote.It is only wanted by extreme parties selling idealism,it is corrupt

You what?

It reminds me brexshiters

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The day prior to the 2016 Referendum I was advised to vote leave because if we remain , the Muslims will not allow us to have Christmas trees in our own homes ,,,,, this was not told to me by a 16 year old but by someone aged 67 who had already sent in their postal vote ,, "

That's strange, because as everyone knows, Christmas has been banned since about 2005, along with hot cross buns and Ba Ba Blacksheep.

Once we leave we will be able to buy eggs by the dozen and New Zealand lamb though. Don't ask.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Don't laugh.

Christmas was banned in Scotland for about 300 years.

The days when the tartan taliban held sway.

None of that papist filth here, they declared.

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

"works in scotland..... and wales...

should they get to vote in the general election?"

They can only vote in their council and Parliamentary election NOT the general election.

As Scotland is technically a regional parliament, rather than an independent nation in its own right, we should compare and contrast with other similar assemblies.

The closest parallel is Germany, where there are several states that allow 16-year-olds to vote in their state election, including Brandenburg, Bremen and Hamburg. This is also true in the Swiss canton of Glarus, parts of Norway and, perhaps more relevantly, in the Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey (all semi-autonomous UK territories).

Italians have to wait till they are 25 to vote in senate elections.

The only country in the EU where 16 year olds can vote in General Elections is Austria and the turnout is roughly the same as for other age groups.

The voting age is 16 and above in Ecuador, Brazil and Argentina, but casting a ballot is not compulsory like it is for those aged between 18 and the upper age limit (70 in Brazil and Argentina, 65 in Ecuador), at which voting is optional again.

In some countries 16 year olds can vote if they’re employed or married. For example, in Hungary if someone gets married at 16 they become an adult with all the attached legal rights and responsibilities - including the right to vote.

There is only one state in the world with a MAXIMUM voting age for its national election – the Vatican City, where only cardinals aged under 80 are allowed to cast a vote in papal elections.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Definitely not. A friends 17 year old is passionate about Extinction Rebellion and says we all should help save the planet.

She buys all her clothes (lots of them) from China one at a time and never ever turns a light TV etc off, plus other things that are not environmental friendly.

When her mother or me pick her up on it her reply is "yeah but that's different"?? I wouldn't let her near a ballot box.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Definitely not. A friends 17 year old is passionate about Extinction Rebellion and says we all should help save the planet.

She buys all her clothes (lots of them) from China one at a time and never ever turns a light TV etc off, plus other things that are not environmental friendly.

When her mother or me pick her up on it her reply is "yeah but that's different"?? I wouldn't let her near a ballot box. "

Because everyone else over 18 would never do anything like that, and always carefully studies each party’s manifestos before carefully deciding who to vote for?

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over a year ago

"Definitely not. A friends 17 year old is passionate about Extinction Rebellion and says we all should help save the planet.

She buys all her clothes (lots of them) from China one at a time and never ever turns a light TV etc off, plus other things that are not environmental friendly.

When her mother or me pick her up on it her reply is "yeah but that's different"?? I wouldn't let her near a ballot box. "

So, are you saying every single 16 or 17 year old is the same ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ha, bet you gave yourself a hard on typing that didn't you

You can already vote at 18, When did we last have an 18 year old Prime Minister..... Never that's how often but you think as soon as you allow 16 year olds the vote then we'll probably get a 16 year old Prime Minister....

So many people would need to agree for a 16 year old to get that chance makes the possibility so remote, just like why we've never had an 18 year old, or 19, 20

Even someone like you must be able to understand that sonny

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"I wouldn't let her near a ballot box. "

Because her outlook on the world is different from yours?

The next generation always drive change.

The older one always resist.

The young always get there way.

It's how we make progress,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people gleefully sharing their poor parenting skills.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

"Definitely not. A friends 17 year old is passionate about Extinction Rebellion and says we all should help save the planet.

She buys all her clothes (lots of them) from China one at a time and never ever turns a light TV etc off, plus other things that are not environmental friendly.

When her mother or me pick her up on it her reply is "yeah but that's different"?? I wouldn't let her near a ballot box.

So, are you saying every single 16 or 17 year old is the same ??"

Definitely not, there are very clever youngsters around. At least at 18 you may have had a small amount of life experience and the issues the country has, at 16 I don't believe most people will have that. Unless of course they vote for the same people that their parents vote for.

There has to be a line and I think 18 is a good one.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I wouldn't let her near a ballot box.

Because her outlook on the world is different from yours?

The next generation always drive change.

The older one always resist.

The young always get there way.

It's how we make progress,

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because the older ones were fucking born old move over sad twats let the young ones have a go now what are ya scared of lol

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By *objohnson234Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies, "

To be fair I doubt you or anyone in this forum can do either of those and yet they can vote. You'd be surprised how politically charged most kids are these days, bet they know more than their parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies,

The younger they get the least likely they are to turn out, the elderly still have a sense of civic duty, most youngsters(over 50%18-29yrs)couldn't give a flying fuck and don't even attempt voting.

Unless you bring in voting via Snapchat or xbox your wasting everybody's time

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The experience of the 2014 Scottish referendum persuaded the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party to change its mind about votes at 16.

Before, it was opposed. After, it was not.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies, "

I’m almost speechless.

You appear to be saying that unless you are a qualified jumbo jet pilot or brain surgeon you shouldn’t be allowed to vote....

...unless you are over 18, in which case it suddenly doesn’t matter whether or not you are a qualified jumbo jet pilot or brain surgeon and you have no problem with them being able to vote.

To be honest, I think I’d be more concerned about anyone with such a ludicrously warped sense of logic being let anywhere near a voting booth than your average 16yr old.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you let a 16 year old fly a jumbo jet or perform brain surgery on your kids ?

They have no experience of anything how the hell can they know what are good or bad policies,

I’m almost speechless.

You appear to be saying that unless you are a qualified jumbo jet pilot or brain surgeon you shouldn’t be allowed to vote....

...unless you are over 18, in which case it suddenly doesn’t matter whether or not you are a qualified jumbo jet pilot or brain surgeon and you have no problem with them being able to vote.

To be honest, I think I’d be more concerned about anyone with such a ludicrously warped sense of logic being let anywhere near a voting booth than your average 16yr old. "

You've completely misunderstood.

The poster was saying that as soon as you're 18 you can safely perform brain surgery while flying a plane with no training in either discipline.

And I for one agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope.

Totally agree. I believed all sorts of stupid things at 16 and 18. Was much wiser by 21. Science also shows that the prefrontal cortex of the brain doesn't fully mature until 27. I actually think raising the voting age to 27 would be much more scientific as an end point, as that is both when brains are fully matured, but also the time by which a lot of people have worked, moved out of mum and dad's house and become independent and started paying taxes. My mind really did change on a lot of topics once I started to work and pay taxes and became truly independent.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

What age are you allowed to fuck at?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I mean, the law says at 16 you are wise enough to make decisions about inserting or receiving a penis in a vagina and an anus.

Putting an X next to some fanny or an arsehole is a piece of cake, surely?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"You must be at least 16 years old to join the Army as a soldier. You can start your application when you're 15 years and 7 months."

From British Army recruitment website. If you are old enough for your country to recruit you to go to war for them, you should be old enough to have some say about who might send you to war.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

It was bad enough women being allowed to vote never mind children

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Yes.

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By *elloIntrigueMan
over a year ago

North West UK

16 and 17 year olds should get to vote IMO.

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I would rather see the idealism of youth rather than the current political immaturity of the present generations that have been fed on a diet of prejudice and misinformation...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the one hand we’re making the school age 18 instead of 16

Then on the other hand we’re saying give 16 year olds the vote !

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Why not 14 or 15 year olds?

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"16 and 17 year olds should get to vote IMO."
no way

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

""You must be at least 16 years old to join the Army as a soldier. You can start your application when you're 15 years and 7 months."

From British Army recruitment website. If you are old enough for your country to recruit you to go to war for them, you should be old enough to have some say about who might send you to war."

You can join the Army at 16 (with your parents permission) but you cannot deploy on operations (War) until you are 18, which coincidentally is the voting age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can’t even work as a waiter at 16 now in case you sip left over drinks !

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

""You must be at least 16 years old to join the Army as a soldier. You can start your application when you're 15 years and 7 months."

From British Army recruitment website. If you are old enough for your country to recruit you to go to war for them, you should be old enough to have some say about who might send you to war.

You can join the Army at 16 (with your parents permission) but you cannot deploy on operations (War) until you are 18, which coincidentally is the voting age."

“Federal Service guarantees citizenship”.....

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

"I wouldn't let her near a ballot box.

Because her outlook on the world is different from yours?

The next generation always drive change.

The older one always resist.

The young always get there way.

It's how we make progress,

People’s voting patterns change over life.

As George Bernard Shaw said,

Anyone under the age of 30 who has never been a socialist, doesn't have a heart. Anyone over the age of 30 who is still a socialist, doesn't have a brain.

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over a year ago

"I wouldn't let her near a ballot box.

Because her outlook on the world is different from yours?

The next generation always drive change.

The older one always resist.

The young always get there way.

It's how we make progress,

People’s voting patterns change over life.

As George Bernard Shaw said,

Anyone under the age of 30 who has never been a socialist, doesn't have a heart. Anyone over the age of 30 who is still a socialist, doesn't have a brain."

Very true..... I don't have a heart then

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By *elloIntrigueMan
over a year ago

North West UK

"I wouldn't let her near a ballot box.

Because her outlook on the world is different from yours?

The next generation always drive change.

The older one always resist.

The young always get there way.

It's how we make progress,

People’s voting patterns change over life.

As George Bernard Shaw said,

Anyone under the age of 30 who has never been a socialist, doesn't have a heart. Anyone over the age of 30 who is still a socialist, doesn't have a brain."

My brain must have walked out the door..Haha..

Although in saying that George Bernard Shaw had some questionable views later in his life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you imagine; the YouTube influencers would become billionaires overnight. Most can’t wipe their own arse, and will be lead by their mates and peer groups in general. Still, can’t be any worse than it already is. Most probably wouldn’t anyway unless there was an App for it.

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By *elloIntrigueMan
over a year ago

North West UK

Usually when there are these political tests, I sit in a more liberal place than Ghandi, but even more left leaning than he is!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Usually when there are these political tests, I sit in a more liberal place than Ghandi, but even more left leaning than he is!

Don’t think he’s leaning in any direction anymore.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

""You must be at least 16 years old to join the Army as a soldier. You can start your application when you're 15 years and 7 months."

From British Army recruitment website. If you are old enough for your country to recruit you to go to war for them, you should be old enough to have some say about who might send you to war.

You can join the Army at 16 (with your parents permission) but you cannot deploy on operations (War) until you are 18, which coincidentally is the voting age."

Perhaps we had better raise the age for sex to 18. It is the opinion of many here that until age 18 people are incapable of critical reasoning and hence cannot understand the issues involved in selecting an MP. I would strongly suggest that if someone is not deemed capable of deciding between political representatives, then they definitely should not be allowed to perform acts that could lead to creating a new human being...

Although actually, if the problem is to do with critical reasoning ability, then we really should introduce intelligence testing for voters...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""You must be at least 16 years old to join the Army as a soldier. You can start your application when you're 15 years and 7 months."

From British Army recruitment website. If you are old enough for your country to recruit you to go to war for them, you should be old enough to have some say about who might send you to war.

You can join the Army at 16 (with your parents permission) but you cannot deploy on operations (War) until you are 18, which coincidentally is the voting age.

Although actually, if the problem is to do with critical reasoning ability, then we really should introduce intelligence testing for voters..."

Plenty of kids having babies under 16. The law against it means nothing. We’re one of the worst countries for it.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"I wouldn't let her near a ballot box.

Because her outlook on the world is different from yours?

The next generation always drive change.

The older one always resist.

The young always get there way.

It's how we make progress,

People’s voting patterns change over life.

As George Bernard Shaw said,

Anyone under the age of 30 who has never been a socialist, doesn't have a heart. Anyone over the age of 30 who is still a socialist, doesn't have a brain."

Yes, people become more resistant to change with age.

More small 'c' conservative.

History shows over and over again how the generation coming through is the harbinger of change.

The young push, the old resist.

The next generation always brings change.

"The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of the government in the next"

- Abraham Lincoln

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jeez, some people on here still busting blood vessels over the thought of 16 and 17 year old voters

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of the government in the next"

- Abraham Lincoln"

Which is why governments are so eager to control the curriculum.

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

y do people moan about what other people think 90 years old have been through a lot some have been through wars and labour govements they have the right to vote

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why not 14 or 15 year olds?"

Probably because 16 is deemed to be the age of consent, and so a reasonable cut off.

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over a year ago

"y do people moan about what other people think 90 years old have been through a lot some have been through wars and labour govements they have the right to vote

Why are you moaning about other people moaning about what other people think?

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over a year ago

"y do people moan about what other people think 90 years old have been through a lot some have been through wars and labour govements they have the right to vote

Why are you moaning about other people moaning about what other people think?"

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not 14 or 15 year olds?

Probably because 16 is deemed to be the age of consent, and so a reasonable cut off."

Fair play for being arsed to reply to that silly comment

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"works in scotland..... and wales...

should they get to vote in the general election?"

Why not? It's hardly going to cause the end of civilization as we know it.

That said, there's people out there who only want a certain amount of democracy.

As for the "their brains aren't fully developed yet" argument; utter fucking shite.

If our democracy proves anything, it proves you don't have to fully understand the issues and the effect casting your vote could have.

That's been true since universal suffrage became the norm.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Nope.

No it's not just you. This is one of the rare occasions where we are in full agreement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres a great book written by a vet about teenagers which explains why they are the way they are - the conclusions it comes to probably reinforce the “wait till their brains are fully developed” traditional points of view espoused on here by some. Is this all just a reflection of late victorian values though, where children were expected to have some schooling before starting work at 12 or 13 years of age - after all, if one is old enough to procreate surely one is old enough to work but maybe not vote unless you are a property owning man with a bank account

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"works in scotland..... and wales...

should they get to vote in the general election?

Why not? It's hardly going to cause the end of civilization as we know it.

That said, there's people out there who only want a certain amount of democracy.

As for the "their brains aren't fully developed yet" argument; utter fucking shite.

If our democracy proves anything, it proves you don't have to fully understand the issues and the effect casting your vote could have.

That's been true since universal suffrage became the norm."

Fully agree

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Why not go the whole hog and allow 6 & 7 year old's to vote.

OK we would probably get Mickey Mouse as PM but is that any different to Corbyn?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why not go the whole hog and allow 6 & 7 year old's to vote.

OK we would probably get Mickey Mouse as PM but is that any different to Corbyn?"

The suggestion that 16/17 year olds are as politically unaware as 6/7 year olds is clearly ridiculous.

A cynic might argue that anyone who compared Jeremy Corbyn to Mickey Mouse shouldn’t be voting.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Why not go the whole hog and allow 6 & 7 year old's to vote.

OK we would probably get Mickey Mouse as PM but is that any different to Corbyn?

The suggestion that 16/17 year olds are as politically unaware as 6/7 year olds is clearly ridiculous.

A cynic might argue that anyone who compared Jeremy Corbyn to Mickey Mouse shouldn’t be voting.

"
To be honest he is more like worzel gummage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not go the whole hog and allow 6 & 7 year old's to vote.

OK we would probably get Mickey Mouse as PM but is that any different to Corbyn?

The suggestion that 16/17 year olds are as politically unaware as 6/7 year olds is clearly ridiculous.

A cynic might argue that anyone who compared Jeremy Corbyn to Mickey Mouse shouldn’t be voting.

To be honest he is more like worzel gummage.

Nah; Steptoe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not go the whole hog and allow 6 & 7 year old's to vote.

OK we would probably get Mickey Mouse as PM but is that any different to Corbyn?

The suggestion that 16/17 year olds are as politically unaware as 6/7 year olds is clearly ridiculous.

A cynic might argue that anyone who compared Jeremy Corbyn to Mickey Mouse shouldn’t be voting.

To be honest he is more like worzel gummage.

Nah; Steptoe "

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Why not go the whole hog and allow 6 & 7 year old's to vote.

OK we would probably get Mickey Mouse as PM but is that any different to Corbyn?

The suggestion that 16/17 year olds are as politically unaware as 6/7 year olds is clearly ridiculous.

A cynic might argue that anyone who compared Jeremy Corbyn to Mickey Mouse shouldn’t be voting.

You are right. How on earth could anyone dish out such an insult....

To Mickey.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

So, it's okay for someone to have sex with Prince Andrew, but not to vote.

Can you explain, please.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"So, it's okay for someone to have sex with Prince Andrew, but not to vote.

Can you explain, please."
easy I dont think she could anyway she is not british

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, it's okay for someone to have sex with Prince Andrew, but not to vote.

Can you explain, please. easy I dont think she could anyway she is not british"

Pedant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, it's okay for someone to have sex with Prince Andrew, but not to vote.

Can you explain, please."

I'm sure Fergi voted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, it's okay for someone to have sex with Prince Andrew, but not to vote.

Can you explain, please.

I'm sure Fergi voted

Might not have, being a monarch and all that. She would have been entitled to though, so the point is generally well made

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So, it's okay for someone to have sex with Prince Andrew, but not to vote.

Can you explain, please.

I'm sure Fergi voted

Might not have, being a monarch and all that. She would have been entitled to though, so the point is generally well made

Yeah I didn't think of that

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