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"We don't have checkpoints on every road between england and wales, customs declarations needing to be filled in, and passport checks every time you cross. Here's a thought - consider having a hard border between north and south england. Let's put lancashire and yorkshire in the north; cheshire, derbyshire, nottinghamshire, lincolnshire in the south. Let's have different customs and tax regimes north and south. Let's make it that anyone that recently moved to the north from the south, or vice versa, say in the last 15 years or so, has to apply to the respective governments to be allowed to continue living there. And it's not an automatic right, but can be denied by a bunch of unelected government officials because you make a tiny mistake in complicated paperwork. Lets have all vehicles on the M1 and M6 and all the minor roads stopped at checkpoints, personal papers checked, tariffs charged if you are carrying any goods for sale. Etc etc etc. You won't have the slightest objection to any of this of course. Not going to be any inconvenience. You're quite happy for this sort of thing being imposed on other people. So won't worry if it's imposed upon yourself." thanks It is a honest question to answer some no it wouldn't bother me if I had to stop have paperwork checked before aloud to move on as I child I used to go to Switzerland I can remember having to stop at every border show a orange card get stamped move on to the next country so no it wouldn't bother me same as tariffs as I don't sell as for not being able to stay I didn't know that but again if that's the law.so if Scotland was independent say I live in England but want to go there I still don't have a problem having to show passport it's a different country. | |||
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"When you're a kid going on holiday, passport stops etc are a novelty. Now imagine that you have it happening every single day, on a road you've been able to drive freely up and down all your life. Imagine when your kids are looking for jobs, and there's some great opportunities just the other side of the border - but they are not allowed to work there. Etc etc. I guess there's no point making these arguments though. Facts against emotions. There is no common ground for rational discussion. Brexit has destroyed reality." not looking to argue it's really aimed at are northern Irish friends most will remember the border between republic and northern two separate countries if you live in northern you still have Free movement in to England Wales if a border went back between North and south unless they become one Ireland then the border would move to England Wales as for working in one and living in the other I don't see what is wrong having to show paperwork unless you're hiding something and why wouldn't they not be able to work there unless they become a communist state. | |||
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"When you're a kid going on holiday, passport stops etc are a novelty. Now imagine that you have it happening every single day, on a road you've been able to drive freely up and down all your life. Imagine when your kids are looking for jobs, and there's some great opportunities just the other side of the border - but they are not allowed to work there. Etc etc. I guess there's no point making these arguments though. Facts against emotions. There is no common ground for rational discussion. Brexit has destroyed reality. not looking to argue it's really aimed at are northern Irish friends most will remember the border between republic and northern two separate countries if you live in northern you still have Free movement in to England Wales if a border went back between North and south unless they become one Ireland then the border would move to England Wales as for working in one and living in the other I don't see what is wrong having to show paperwork unless you're hiding something and why wouldn't they not be able to work there unless they become a communist state." Blimey....some times I think why are people allowed the vote!  | |||
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"When you're a kid going on holiday, passport stops etc are a novelty. Now imagine that you have it happening every single day, on a road you've been able to drive freely up and down all your life. Imagine when your kids are looking for jobs, and there's some great opportunities just the other side of the border - but they are not allowed to work there. Etc etc. I guess there's no point making these arguments though. Facts against emotions. There is no common ground for rational discussion. Brexit has destroyed reality." We have never shown passports and will never have to show passports no matter what happens in the future . You need to educate yourself . All your posts are utter nonsense and untrue | |||
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"When you're a kid going on holiday, passport stops etc are a novelty. Now imagine that you have it happening every single day, on a road you've been able to drive freely up and down all your life. Imagine when your kids are looking for jobs, and there's some great opportunities just the other side of the border - but they are not allowed to work there. Etc etc. I guess there's no point making these arguments though. Facts against emotions. There is no common ground for rational discussion. Brexit has destroyed reality. We have never shown passports and will never have to show passports no matter what happens in the future . You need to educate yourself . All your posts are utter nonsense and untrue" untrue in what way I've not said anything other than ask a question | |||
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"I'm not usually political I live in my own bubble and never come out but can I ask what's the problem with a border if you want to be in the UK why not put one between you and south if you all want to to be one country why argue we have a border in England Wales honest question." There are borders between us all.but they are open, without checkpoints of any type. The Good Friday Agreement specifies that this is how it should remain for the future. Irrespective of taxes, an open border between the UK and the Republic of Ireland (part of the EU), it appears to me that the most important thing is to help to continue a safer region for people, following that agreement having been made. | |||
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"I'm not usually political I live in my own bubble and never come out but can I ask what's the problem with a border if you want to be in the UK why not put one between you and south if you all want to to be one country why argue we have a border in England Wales honest question. There are borders between us all.but they are open, without checkpoints of any type. The Good Friday Agreement specifies that this is how it should remain for the future. Irrespective of taxes, an open border between the UK and the Republic of Ireland (part of the EU), it appears to me that the most important thing is to help to continue a safer region for people, following that agreement having been made. " I suppose I should have put hard border if that's what they mean by having checks | |||
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"Ok. Quick and dirty history first. A border was first created 1919-1921 This made Northern Ireland. For most of this time the border was generally customs, so it was about collecting tax, both sides had customs checkpoints Ok Geography. The border doesn't follow natural boundaries. Northern Ireland was an artificial state created to unsure a unionist majority. The border has some 300+ crossings. So it always was a smugglers dream. It was very porous Now the to the troubles, when the British Army arrived , they closed most of the roads with physical barriers, so now there was military checkpoints. So now communities were separated, a road that joined 2 villages was now closed. You would now have to take the long way round and go through a military checkpoint. This happened in multiple places. This form of border was a massive hindrance to everyone both sides of the border. Imagine all the roads between Doncaster and Rotherham were now closed, so you now have to travel via Barnsley. 1992 Single european act, the customs were now gone, 3 years after the military checkpoints started to come down. You could now travel from north to south, the border was invisible except for a change in road surfaces and speed limit signs. So now we could live and work both sides of the border, travel freely with any impediment. Businesses loved it, goods could be moved freely, bought sold processed, it was brilliant. Something like baileys irish cream starts with in Ireland with milk, goes to north to bushmills for production, bottled in belfast, then back across the border for packaging and then shipped to the UK via Dublin. Then came Brexit with the potential to mess all of this. The UK might think of itself as an Island nation. It has a 300 mile porous land border with the EU. This wasn't a issue for most UK voters. It was here. I cross the border several times a week, many do it daily for business and for private reasons. " thank you a proper answer and I agree Ireland never enters my mind so would it be better for you to become one Ireland or wouldn't you want that just asking because it seems England fooked it up in the 20s | |||
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"Ok. Quick and dirty history first. A border was first created 1919-1921 This made Northern Ireland. For most of this time the border was generally customs, so it was about collecting tax, both sides had customs checkpoints Ok Geography. The border doesn't follow natural boundaries. Northern Ireland was an artificial state created to unsure a unionist majority. The border has some 300+ crossings. So it always was a smugglers dream. It was very porous Now the to the troubles, when the British Army arrived , they closed most of the roads with physical barriers, so now there was military checkpoints. So now communities were separated, a road that joined 2 villages was now closed. You would now have to take the long way round and go through a military checkpoint. This happened in multiple places. This form of border was a massive hindrance to everyone both sides of the border. Imagine all the roads between Doncaster and Rotherham were now closed, so you now have to travel via Barnsley. 1992 Single european act, the customs were now gone, 3 years after the military checkpoints started to come down. You could now travel from north to south, the border was invisible except for a change in road surfaces and speed limit signs. So now we could live and work both sides of the border, travel freely with any impediment. Businesses loved it, goods could be moved freely, bought sold processed, it was brilliant. Something like baileys irish cream starts with in Ireland with milk, goes to north to bushmills for production, bottled in belfast, then back across the border for packaging and then shipped to the UK via Dublin. Then came Brexit with the potential to mess all of this. The UK might think of itself as an Island nation. It has a 300 mile porous land border with the EU. This wasn't a issue for most UK voters. It was here. I cross the border several times a week, many do it daily for business and for private reasons. thank you a proper answer and I agree Ireland never enters my mind so would it be better for you to become one Ireland or wouldn't you want that just asking because it seems England fooked it up in the 20s" Depends who you're asking! From the UKs negotiating position, it would be great to be rid of NI for brexit. Certainly would be a whole lot simpler. Within Northern Ireland you have 2 opposing positions, one wanting to maintain & strengthen links with UK, the other saying we identify as Irish, not British and want to reunite as one country. Then the republic of Ireland, most would support reunfication. So whats the problem. every family has a troublesome relative. too loud, drinks too much, insults people, fights at weddings....... Northern Ireland is a bit like that, it costs too much support us, we don't pay our own way, very difficult to please and if you really piss us off then we'll riot, plant the odd bomb, maybe shoot someone and they we'll say it was your fault. In 1997 we had a political agreement called the Good Friday Agreement and both sides agreed to work together. It wasn't perfect but it was way better than before Then Brexit happened. With the deal that Boris signed, he has put customs checks on goods between N Ireland and the UK. This isn't great for NI businesses that do business with the UK. Its really annoyed the unionists. The other side is sitting this one out, they're watching their traditional opposition self implode. | |||
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"Ok. Quick and dirty history first. A border was first created 1919-1921 This made Northern Ireland. For most of this time the border was generally customs, so it was about collecting tax, both sides had customs checkpoints Ok Geography. The border doesn't follow natural boundaries. Northern Ireland was an artificial state created to unsure a unionist majority. The border has some 300+ crossings. So it always was a smugglers dream. It was very porous Now the to the troubles, when the British Army arrived , they closed most of the roads with physical barriers, so now there was military checkpoints. So now communities were separated, a road that joined 2 villages was now closed. You would now have to take the long way round and go through a military checkpoint. This happened in multiple places. This form of border was a massive hindrance to everyone both sides of the border. Imagine all the roads between Doncaster and Rotherham were now closed, so you now have to travel via Barnsley. 1992 Single european act, the customs were now gone, 3 years after the military checkpoints started to come down. You could now travel from north to south, the border was invisible except for a change in road surfaces and speed limit signs. So now we could live and work both sides of the border, travel freely with any impediment. Businesses loved it, goods could be moved freely, bought sold processed, it was brilliant. Something like baileys irish cream starts with in Ireland with milk, goes to north to bushmills for production, bottled in belfast, then back across the border for packaging and then shipped to the UK via Dublin. Then came Brexit with the potential to mess all of this. The UK might think of itself as an Island nation. It has a 300 mile porous land border with the EU. This wasn't a issue for most UK voters. It was here. I cross the border several times a week, many do it daily for business and for private reasons. thank you a proper answer and I agree Ireland never enters my mind so would it be better for you to become one Ireland or wouldn't you want that just asking because it seems England fooked it up in the 20s Depends who you're asking! From the UKs negotiating position, it would be great to be rid of NI for brexit. Certainly would be a whole lot simpler. Within Northern Ireland you have 2 opposing positions, one wanting to maintain & strengthen links with UK, the other saying we identify as Irish, not British and want to reunite as one country. Then the republic of Ireland, most would support reunfication. So whats the problem. every family has a troublesome relative. too loud, drinks too much, insults people, fights at weddings....... Northern Ireland is a bit like that, it costs too much support us, we don't pay our own way, very difficult to please and if you really piss us off then we'll riot, plant the odd bomb, maybe shoot someone and they we'll say it was your fault. In 1997 we had a political agreement called the Good Friday Agreement and both sides agreed to work together. It wasn't perfect but it was way better than before Then Brexit happened. With the deal that Boris signed, he has put customs checks on goods between N Ireland and the UK. This isn't great for NI businesses that do business with the UK. Its really annoyed the unionists. The other side is sitting this one out, they're watching their traditional opposition self implode." again thanks It just helps me understand as I've said I now live in my own bubble I couldn't tell you who and what party my mp is so basically your as fooked up as us some do some don't I just wanted to understand more what the people off northern Ireland wanted I can see why some really wished it hadn't happened funny thing is I have Irish and Scottish family I drink in a Irish club and no one ever says a word cheers again | |||
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"As Doggone said, the problem is all of England's making, basically ever since Cromwell marched in there hundreds of years ago (apologies if it goes even further back than that, in England they teach us cock-all about Irish, Scottish or Welsh history, i only know stuff from my own general reading). Anyway, we've now got a situation where about half the people in NI like to think of themselves as British, and about half like to think of themselves as Irish. The GFA was only sorted out because both Ireland and Britain were part of a larger thing, the EU. Allowing everyone in NI to move and trade freely with both countries, and to feel that they weren't being directly ruled by either, that they could choose their own allegiance. Now brexit is pushed on them by the bloody english again (yes, that's my lot, and I'm fucking well ashamed of them). The people of NI voted against it, they said it would cause trouble, but the English said fuck off you'll do what we want. And the inevitable result of brexit is that either: (a) there is a separation of some sort between Ireland and NI, that will make life harder for those that over the last 20 years have just got used to travelling and trading unimpeded. Or (b) same but between NI and Britain. But more importantly than just trade and travel, it denies people the very claim on their own identity and family heritage. It tells 50% of the people of NI, no you are not allowed to be Irish. Or it tells 50% of them, no you are not allowed to be British. And in fact what it tells 100% of them loudest of all is that a full 52% of the people in England don't give a shit about them, it tells them that the tory party regards them just as an inconvenience, it tells them that Boris Johnson thinks they are idiots that he can just lie, lie and lie again to. There is no way of having brexit and still squaring the circle. And even if ultimately england sees sense and cancels brexit, the harm that has been done, the hatred that has been stirred up, the lies that have been told - it will take a generation or more to mend." Your lack of knowledge is breathtaking | |||
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"As Doggone said, the problem is all of England's making, basically ever since Cromwell marched in there hundreds of years ago (apologies if it goes even further back than that, in England they teach us cock-all about Irish, Scottish or Welsh history, i only know stuff from my own general reading). Anyway, we've now got a situation where about half the people in NI like to think of themselves as British, and about half like to think of themselves as Irish. The GFA was only sorted out because both Ireland and Britain were part of a larger thing, the EU. Allowing everyone in NI to move and trade freely with both countries, and to feel that they weren't being directly ruled by either, that they could choose their own allegiance. Now brexit is pushed on them by the bloody english again (yes, that's my lot, and I'm fucking well ashamed of them). The people of NI voted against it, they said it would cause trouble, but the English said fuck off you'll do what we want. And the inevitable result of brexit is that either: (a) there is a separation of some sort between Ireland and NI, that will make life harder for those that over the last 20 years have just got used to travelling and trading unimpeded. Or (b) same but between NI and Britain. But more importantly than just trade and travel, it denies people the very claim on their own identity and family heritage. It tells 50% of the people of NI, no you are not allowed to be Irish. Or it tells 50% of them, no you are not allowed to be British. And in fact what it tells 100% of them loudest of all is that a full 52% of the people in England don't give a shit about them, it tells them that the tory party regards them just as an inconvenience, it tells them that Boris Johnson thinks they are idiots that he can just lie, lie and lie again to. There is no way of having brexit and still squaring the circle. And even if ultimately england sees sense and cancels brexit, the harm that has been done, the hatred that has been stirred up, the lies that have been told - it will take a generation or more to mend. Your lack of knowledge is breathtaking " if that's aimed at me why breathtaking why should I know about Ireland I've never been or interested in going just like I don't know about Iran and many other countries | |||
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"As Doggone said, the problem is all of England's making, basically ever since Cromwell marched in there hundreds of years ago (apologies if it goes even further back than that, in England they teach us cock-all about Irish, Scottish or Welsh history, i only know stuff from my own general reading). Anyway, we've now got a situation where about half the people in NI like to think of themselves as British, and about half like to think of themselves as Irish. The GFA was only sorted out because both Ireland and Britain were part of a larger thing, the EU. Allowing everyone in NI to move and trade freely with both countries, and to feel that they weren't being directly ruled by either, that they could choose their own allegiance. Now brexit is pushed on them by the bloody english again (yes, that's my lot, and I'm fucking well ashamed of them). The people of NI voted against it, they said it would cause trouble, but the English said fuck off you'll do what we want. And the inevitable result of brexit is that either: (a) there is a separation of some sort between Ireland and NI, that will make life harder for those that over the last 20 years have just got used to travelling and trading unimpeded. Or (b) same but between NI and Britain. But more importantly than just trade and travel, it denies people the very claim on their own identity and family heritage. It tells 50% of the people of NI, no you are not allowed to be Irish. Or it tells 50% of them, no you are not allowed to be British. And in fact what it tells 100% of them loudest of all is that a full 52% of the people in England don't give a shit about them, it tells them that the tory party regards them just as an inconvenience, it tells them that Boris Johnson thinks they are idiots that he can just lie, lie and lie again to. There is no way of having brexit and still squaring the circle. And even if ultimately england sees sense and cancels brexit, the harm that has been done, the hatred that has been stirred up, the lies that have been told - it will take a generation or more to mend. Your lack of knowledge is breathtaking if that's aimed at me why breathtaking why should I know about Ireland I've never been or interested in going just like I don't know about Iran and many other countries " Was it your message I replied to? No Nuff said | |||
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"As Doggone said, the problem is all of England's making, basically ever since Cromwell marched in there hundreds of years ago (apologies if it goes even further back than that, in England they teach us cock-all about Irish, Scottish or Welsh history, i only know stuff from my own general reading). Anyway, we've now got a situation where about half the people in NI like to think of themselves as British, and about half like to think of themselves as Irish. The GFA was only sorted out because both Ireland and Britain were part of a larger thing, the EU. Allowing everyone in NI to move and trade freely with both countries, and to feel that they weren't being directly ruled by either, that they could choose their own allegiance. Now brexit is pushed on them by the bloody english again (yes, that's my lot, and I'm fucking well ashamed of them). The people of NI voted against it, they said it would cause trouble, but the English said fuck off you'll do what we want. And the inevitable result of brexit is that either: (a) there is a separation of some sort between Ireland and NI, that will make life harder for those that over the last 20 years have just got used to travelling and trading unimpeded. Or (b) same but between NI and Britain. But more importantly than just trade and travel, it denies people the very claim on their own identity and family heritage. It tells 50% of the people of NI, no you are not allowed to be Irish. Or it tells 50% of them, no you are not allowed to be British. And in fact what it tells 100% of them loudest of all is that a full 52% of the people in England don't give a shit about them, it tells them that the tory party regards them just as an inconvenience, it tells them that Boris Johnson thinks they are idiots that he can just lie, lie and lie again to. There is no way of having brexit and still squaring the circle. And even if ultimately england sees sense and cancels brexit, the harm that has been done, the hatred that has been stirred up, the lies that have been told - it will take a generation or more to mend. Your lack of knowledge is breathtaking if that's aimed at me why breathtaking why should I know about Ireland I've never been or interested in going just like I don't know about Iran and many other countries Was it your message I replied to? No Nuff said" it is my post and people are replying to my questions sorry if I've got confused if you're replying to me or the people replying to my questions | |||
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"As Doggone said, the problem is all of England's making, basically ever since Cromwell marched in there hundreds of years ago (apologies if it goes even further back than that, in England they teach us cock-all about Irish, Scottish or Welsh history, i only know stuff from my own general reading). Anyway, we've now got a situation where about half the people in NI like to think of themselves as British, and about half like to think of themselves as Irish. The GFA was only sorted out because both Ireland and Britain were part of a larger thing, the EU. Allowing everyone in NI to move and trade freely with both countries, and to feel that they weren't being directly ruled by either, that they could choose their own allegiance. Now brexit is pushed on them by the bloody english again (yes, that's my lot, and I'm fucking well ashamed of them). The people of NI voted against it, they said it would cause trouble, but the English said fuck off you'll do what we want. And the inevitable result of brexit is that either: (a) there is a separation of some sort between Ireland and NI, that will make life harder for those that over the last 20 years have just got used to travelling and trading unimpeded. Or (b) same but between NI and Britain. But more importantly than just trade and travel, it denies people the very claim on their own identity and family heritage. It tells 50% of the people of NI, no you are not allowed to be Irish. Or it tells 50% of them, no you are not allowed to be British. And in fact what it tells 100% of them loudest of all is that a full 52% of the people in England don't give a shit about them, it tells them that the tory party regards them just as an inconvenience, it tells them that Boris Johnson thinks they are idiots that he can just lie, lie and lie again to. There is no way of having brexit and still squaring the circle. And even if ultimately england sees sense and cancels brexit, the harm that has been done, the hatred that has been stirred up, the lies that have been told - it will take a generation or more to mend. Your lack of knowledge is breathtaking " Do you feel better for taking sideswipes at people that are trying to improve their understanding of the current issues facing their country? | |||
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"There is something else to consider. Quite a lot of people assume that everyone in the ‘south’ is breathlessly waiting for a ‘United Ireland’. Sometimes the reality is a long way from the fact. " yes it seems definitely more than just northern Ireland and England involved from a English view the south doesn't come to mind as not part of the UK some forget that you are involved. | |||
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"There is something else to consider. Quite a lot of people assume that everyone in the ‘south’ is breathlessly waiting for a ‘United Ireland’. Sometimes the reality is a long way from the fact. " Absolutely, it would never be quick or easy, more decades than years, there's a lot of ground to be covered. If Boris called Leo and said 'we would like to return your 6 counties, its not working well, can you take a look at it? The reply should be 'you broke it, so fix it and then we'll talk' | |||
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"There is something else to consider. Quite a lot of people assume that everyone in the ‘south’ is breathlessly waiting for a ‘United Ireland’. Sometimes the reality is a long way from the fact. Absolutely, it would never be quick or easy, more decades than years, there's a lot of ground to be covered. If Boris called Leo and said 'we would like to return your 6 counties, its not working well, can you take a look at it? The reply should be 'you broke it, so fix it and then we'll talk'" It's not even as simple as that... Have a Google of Irish Civil War (Wiki) and try to get some semblance of what exactly happened a hundred odd years ago. The bitterness that divided the country back then is still used as a tool even today between the two major parties in the south. Leo may think he speaks for 'Ireland', but the reality is that Leo mostly speaks for himself. Regardless of that, I doubt very much if we actually want to foot the bill for several thousand unemployed civil servants who would be looking for work after any such suggestion. | |||
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"There is something else to consider. Quite a lot of people assume that everyone in the ‘south’ is breathlessly waiting for a ‘United Ireland’. Sometimes the reality is a long way from the fact. Absolutely, it would never be quick or easy, more decades than years, there's a lot of ground to be covered. If Boris called Leo and said 'we would like to return your 6 counties, its not working well, can you take a look at it? The reply should be 'you broke it, so fix it and then we'll talk' It's not even as simple as that... Have a Google of Irish Civil War (Wiki) and try to get some semblance of what exactly happened a hundred odd years ago. The bitterness that divided the country back then is still used as a tool even today between the two major parties in the south. Leo may think he speaks for 'Ireland', but the reality is that Leo mostly speaks for himself. Regardless of that, I doubt very much if we actually want to foot the bill for several thousand unemployed civil servants who would be looking for work after any such suggestion. Would it be the reawakening of civil war animosities that would be your primary concern or the cost of it all? " | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched" It’s commonly referred to as the “Irish border”. Do your research. | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched It’s commonly referred to as the “Irish border”. Do your research. " I prefer to call it the 300 mile UK land border they forgot about. | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched It’s commonly referred to as the “Irish border”. Do your research. " I guess that as it's between Ireland and Ireland, whichever side you live it's an Irish border. Whereas say the England/Scotland border - the English tend to talk about the Scottish border, the Scots tend to call it the English border. | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched It’s commonly referred to as the “Irish border”. Do your research. " Referred to is correct but in actuality it is a british border, do your own research. | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched" Who partioned the island of ireland The Irish? or the British ? It’s the British border Do your research | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched Who partioned the island of ireland The Irish? or the British ? It’s the British border Do your research " I really think far too much time is spent arguing about what the border is called rather than what the border actually means. Politics aside, if I lived in the Republic I would instinctively call the border "The British border", "The UK border" or possibly even "The Ulster border" because it's where the sovereignty and jurisdiction of the country I'd be living in ends and British, UK or Ulster sovereignty and jurisdiction begins. If I lived in Northern Ireland I think I would instinctively call it "The Republic border". As I live in England I do, in normal conversation, call it "the Irish border" although technically it should probably be "the Irish Republic border". However, in order to avoid the constant complaints from our Irish neighbours, especially on this site, I often refer to it as "the border in Ireland". When English people refer to "the Irish border" they are not trying to suggest that the border was the creation of the Irish, they are simply refering to it in the same way as they would refer to "the Scottish border", "the Welsh border" or even "the French border". Of course the whole question is now going to become even more complicated because refering to "the Irish border" could now mean "the border in Ireland" or Johnson's new border between the Great Britain and the Island of Ireland. Surly it's more important to discuss and talk about the future implications to both Great Britain and Ireland of these borders rather what we actually call them. | |||
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"Good to see the EU moving to protect Ireland's electricity supply from the effects of Brexit. Brussels to fund 53% of a new inter-connector between France and Ireland. " It's a bit sad, Ireland doesnt want it, and Ireland is happy giving UK money, but it has to be done, and it is the first step to france getting their fingers around the cash cow that Ireland has been for the UK. | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched Who partioned the island of ireland The Irish? or the British ? It’s the British border Do your research I really think far too much time is spent arguing about what the border is called rather than what the border actually means. Politics aside, if I lived in the Republic I would instinctively call the border "The British border", "The UK border" or possibly even "The Ulster border" because it's where the sovereignty and jurisdiction of the country I'd be living in ends and British, UK or Ulster sovereignty and jurisdiction begins. If I lived in Northern Ireland I think I would instinctively call it "The Republic border". As I live in England I do, in normal conversation, call it "the Irish border" although technically it should probably be "the Irish Republic border". However, in order to avoid the constant complaints from our Irish neighbours, especially on this site, I often refer to it as "the border in Ireland". When English people refer to "the Irish border" they are not trying to suggest that the border was the creation of the Irish, they are simply refering to it in the same way as they would refer to "the Scottish border", "the Welsh border" or even "the French border". Of course the whole question is now going to become even more complicated because refering to "the Irish border" could now mean "the border in Ireland" or Johnson's new border between the Great Britain and the Island of Ireland. Surly it's more important to discuss and talk about the future implications to both Great Britain and Ireland of these borders rather what we actually call them. " Your post can be best summed up as Fog in Channel,Europe cut off Of course there are a myriad of other more pressing issues to sort But calling it the Irish Border when the vast majority of the people on this island at the time of its imposition didn’t want it, When it was imposed at the point of British military threat and the partition of this island lead to a civil war is a fair bit of a stretch. It’s the British border in Ireland and let’s leave it at that. | |||
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"Good to see the EU moving to protect Ireland's electricity supply from the effects of Brexit. Brussels to fund 53% of a new inter-connector between France and Ireland. " Ireland is a net exporter of electricity to the Uk and hopefully in future with the likes of wind and wave energy this will continue to grow. The inter-connector makes excellent strategic sense at the same time | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched Who partioned the island of ireland The Irish? or the British ? It’s the British border Do your research I really think far too much time is spent arguing about what the border is called rather than what the border actually means. Politics aside, if I lived in the Republic I would instinctively call the border "The British border", "The UK border" or possibly even "The Ulster border" because it's where the sovereignty and jurisdiction of the country I'd be living in ends and British, UK or Ulster sovereignty and jurisdiction begins. If I lived in Northern Ireland I think I would instinctively call it "The Republic border". As I live in England I do, in normal conversation, call it "the Irish border" although technically it should probably be "the Irish Republic border". However, in order to avoid the constant complaints from our Irish neighbours, especially on this site, I often refer to it as "the border in Ireland". When English people refer to "the Irish border" they are not trying to suggest that the border was the creation of the Irish, they are simply refering to it in the same way as they would refer to "the Scottish border", "the Welsh border" or even "the French border". Of course the whole question is now going to become even more complicated because refering to "the Irish border" could now mean "the border in Ireland" or Johnson's new border between the Great Britain and the Island of Ireland. Surly it's more important to discuss and talk about the future implications to both Great Britain and Ireland of these borders rather what we actually call them. Your post can be best summed up as Fog in Channel,Europe cut off Of course there are a myriad of other more pressing issues to sort But calling it the Irish Border when the vast majority of the people on this island at the time of its imposition didn’t want it, When it was imposed at the point of British military threat and the partition of this island lead to a civil war is a fair bit of a stretch. It’s the British border in Ireland and let’s leave it at that. " I think you've missed the whole point of my post! | |||
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"It's not an Irish border its a British border put there illegally against the wishes of overwhelming majority in Ireland. To call it an Irish border is simply lazy and unresearched Who partioned the island of ireland The Irish? or the British ? It’s the British border Do your research I really think far too much time is spent arguing about what the border is called rather than what the border actually means. Politics aside, if I lived in the Republic I would instinctively call the border "The British border", "The UK border" or possibly even "The Ulster border" because it's where the sovereignty and jurisdiction of the country I'd be living in ends and British, UK or Ulster sovereignty and jurisdiction begins. If I lived in Northern Ireland I think I would instinctively call it "The Republic border". As I live in England I do, in normal conversation, call it "the Irish border" although technically it should probably be "the Irish Republic border". However, in order to avoid the constant complaints from our Irish neighbours, especially on this site, I often refer to it as "the border in Ireland". When English people refer to "the Irish border" they are not trying to suggest that the border was the creation of the Irish, they are simply refering to it in the same way as they would refer to "the Scottish border", "the Welsh border" or even "the French border". Of course the whole question is now going to become even more complicated because refering to "the Irish border" could now mean "the border in Ireland" or Johnson's new border between the Great Britain and the Island of Ireland. Surly it's more important to discuss and talk about the future implications to both Great Britain and Ireland of these borders rather what we actually call them. Your post can be best summed up as Fog in Channel,Europe cut off Of course there are a myriad of other more pressing issues to sort But calling it the Irish Border when the vast majority of the people on this island at the time of its imposition didn’t want it, When it was imposed at the point of British military threat and the partition of this island lead to a civil war is a fair bit of a stretch. It’s the British border in Ireland and let’s leave it at that. " The vast majority of people in Ireland 100 odd years ago were unaware there was a Rising, never mind a Civil War or the erection of a border. Just like today, the 'vast majority' simply get on with life, blissfully unaware half the time what is being said, or done... in the 'corridors of power' | |||
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"Some people really need to know a bit more about Irish history . Start with Michael Collins and the first Dail. Then you might know a bit more about the Irish border , eamon de Valera and the treaty. You can’t have it all ways. Oh yeah, Michael Collins, our great leader - no wait- let’s kill him - - and then let’s kill more catholics over the years than the supposed enemies ; the brits and Protestants " And maybe if you actually knew a bit more about Irish history You’d realize that none of what you said would have actually taken place If the British hadn’t imposed a border in Ireland | |||
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"Some people really need to know a bit more about Irish history . Start with Michael Collins and the first Dail. Then you might know a bit more about the Irish border , eamon de Valera and the treaty. You can’t have it all ways. Oh yeah, Michael Collins, our great leader - no wait- let’s kill him - - and then let’s kill more catholics over the years than the supposed enemies ; the brits and Protestants And maybe if you actually knew a bit more about Irish history You’d realize that none of what you said would have actually taken place If the British hadn’t imposed a border in Ireland " It was an agreed border - duh. The republican leadership agreed to it. Read up. And before that, there was no “ireland “. No ROI. No Irish republic . It was just another part of the British Isles. Get a history book out and read the fucking thing | |||
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"Some people really need to know a bit more about Irish history . Start with Michael Collins and the first Dail. Then you might know a bit more about the Irish border , eamon de Valera and the treaty. You can’t have it all ways. Oh yeah, Michael Collins, our great leader - no wait- let’s kill him - - and then let’s kill more catholics over the years than the supposed enemies ; the brits and Protestants And maybe if you actually knew a bit more about Irish history You’d realize that none of what you said would have actually taken place If the British hadn’t imposed a border in Ireland It was an agreed border - duh. The republican leadership agreed to it. Read up. And before that, there was no “ireland “. No ROI. No Irish republic . It was just another part of the British Isles. Get a history book out and read the fucking thing" Oh look A purple faced unionist How novel Away and have a wee March for yer self Oh and when you are walking Lloyd George threatened “immediate and terrible war” to the Irish delegates if they didn’t partition the island And also ask yourself Why wasn’t the whole of Ulster turned into NI? | |||
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" And maybe if you actually knew a bit more about Irish history You’d realize that none of what you said would have actually taken place If the British hadn’t imposed a border in Ireland It was an agreed border - duh. The republican leadership agreed to it. Read up. And before that, there was no “ireland “. No ROI. No Irish republic . It was just another part of the British Isles. Get a history book out and read the fucking thing Oh look A purple faced unionist How novel Away and have a wee March for yer self Oh and when you are walking Lloyd George threatened “immediate and terrible war” to the Irish delegates if they didn’t partition the island And also ask yourself Why wasn’t the whole of Ulster turned into NI?" Sure doesn’t everyone know that, so the Unionist bigots could have a gerrymandered majority so they could impose their narrow minded ways on others! It’s no coincidence that the only people who identify with the colonial descriptor of being British! Not the English, not the Welsh and Not the Scottish, but the NI Unionist! | |||
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"We don't have checkpoints on every road between england and wales, customs declarations needing to be filled in, and passport checks every time you cross. Here's a thought - consider having a hard border between north and south england. Let's put lancashire and yorkshire in the north; cheshire, derbyshire, nottinghamshire, lincolnshire in the south. Let's have different customs and tax regimes north and south. Let's make it that anyone that recently moved to the north from the south, or vice versa, say in the last 15 years or so, has to apply to the respective governments to be allowed to continue living there. And it's not an automatic right, but can be denied by a bunch of unelected government officials because you make a tiny mistake in complicated paperwork. Lets have all vehicles on the M1 and M6 and all the minor roads stopped at checkpoints, personal papers checked, tariffs charged if you are carrying any goods for sale. Etc etc etc. You won't have the slightest objection to any of this of course. Not going to be any inconvenience. You're quite happy for this sort of thing being imposed on other people. So won't worry if it's imposed upon yourself." Shhhh!!! I hope Boris doesn't see this suggestion! Not only will he table it before parliament but we will have a referendum and a majority will vote for it! | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible." Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. " I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... " . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... " Every country in the world has hard borders ????..... WTF?.... you have obviously never left the UK and driven across say belgium, France , Germany etc etc etc. So you are saying when you cross from country to country in you car, you are stopped and have to show your passport ??. So how did these migrants all get to Calais? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, " What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... Every country in the world has hard borders ????..... WTF?.... you have obviously never left the UK and driven across say belgium, France , Germany etc etc etc. So you are saying when you cross from country to country in you car, you are stopped and have to show your passport ??. So how did these migrants all get to Calais?" That is because they are in the Schengen treaty areas, Ireland isn’t . | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west " And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... Every country in the world has hard borders ????..... WTF?.... you have obviously never left the UK and driven across say belgium, France , Germany etc etc etc. So you are saying when you cross from country to country in you car, you are stopped and have to show your passport ??. So how did these migrants all get to Calais? That is because they are in the Schengen treaty areas, Ireland isn’t . " Exactly and I honestly didn't think any thick nuggets would have to have this pointed out | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. "There has always been smuggling . And always will be smuggling. There are criminals and always will be criminals. But 99% of trade is legitimate trade. Those companies will not become criminal smugglers overnight. They will adapt and comply to the new arrangements as companies have been doing for many years when new rules and technologies come along | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... Every country in the world has hard borders ????..... WTF?.... you have obviously never left the UK and driven across say belgium, France , Germany etc etc etc. So you are saying when you cross from country to country in you car, you are stopped and have to show your passport ??. So how did these migrants all get to Calais? That is because they are in the Schengen treaty areas, Ireland isn’t . Exactly and I honestly didn't think any thick nuggets would have to have this pointed out "Every country in the world has hard borders ?.... duh... and I’m the thick nugget lol. There will never be a hard border in Ireland . Ever. | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... Every country in the world has hard borders ????..... WTF?.... you have obviously never left the UK and driven across say belgium, France , Germany etc etc etc. So you are saying when you cross from country to country in you car, you are stopped and have to show your passport ??. So how did these migrants all get to Calais? That is because they are in the Schengen treaty areas, Ireland isn’t . Exactly and I honestly didn't think any thick nuggets would have to have this pointed out
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... Every country in the world has hard borders ????..... WTF?.... you have obviously never left the UK and driven across say belgium, France , Germany etc etc etc. So you are saying when you cross from country to country in you car, you are stopped and have to show your passport ??. So how did these migrants all get to Calais? That is because they are in the Schengen treaty areas, Ireland isn’t . Exactly and I honestly didn't think any thick nuggets would have to have this pointed out
Every country in the world has hard borders ?.... duh... and I’m the thick nugget lol. There will never be a hard border in Ireland . Ever."OK to be painfully obvious just for you, every country has a hard immigration border unless it is within a created free travel zone such as the European Unions Schengen zone but hard customs borders still exit there too in places. | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... Every country in the world has hard borders ????..... WTF?.... you have obviously never left the UK and driven across say belgium, France , Germany etc etc etc. So you are saying when you cross from country to country in you car, you are stopped and have to show your passport ??. So how did these migrants all get to Calais? That is because they are in the Schengen treaty areas, Ireland isn’t . Exactly and I honestly didn't think any thick nuggets would have to have this pointed out
Every country in the world has hard borders ?.... duh... and I’m the thick nugget lol. There will never be a hard border in Ireland . Ever.
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. "It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland. The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it. Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant. A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck. We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry. In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services. As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it . We have the technology , let's use it . | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it ."
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Unfortunately the vast majority of ppl on this thread have never been to Northern Ireland , never been across the invisible border and yet they pontificate as if they know what they are talking about. They know nothing. Ignorant. Just spout stupid fuckin nonsense . "So having been, does that give me the right to say what I think? Are you the sole arbitor of truth, or are you also guilty of seeing just the one angle? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Unfortunately the vast majority of ppl on this thread have never been to Northern Ireland , never been across the invisible border and yet they pontificate as if they know what they are talking about. They know nothing. Ignorant. Just spout stupid fuckin nonsense .
So having been, does that give me the right to say what I think? Are you the sole arbitor of truth, or are you also guilty of seeing just the one angle?"Ffs.... u can say whatever u want. But shite is shite no matter how much u dress it up. And yes , I do know what I’m talking about luv, babe , hun | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Unfortunately the vast majority of ppl on this thread have never been to Northern Ireland , never been across the invisible border and yet they pontificate as if they know what they are talking about. They know nothing. Ignorant. Just spout stupid fuckin nonsense .
So having been, does that give me the right to say what I think? Are you the sole arbitor of truth, or are you also guilty of seeing just the one angle?
Ffs.... u can say whatever u want. But shite is shite no matter how much u dress it up. And yes , I do know what I’m talking about luv, babe , hun"Of course you do. You have a talent for eloquence and facts which reinforce our opinion of you. Perhaps you could use your intellect to solve other world problems as well. Maybe start by selecting places you’ve been too first rather than just pontificating? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Unfortunately the vast majority of ppl on this thread have never been to Northern Ireland , never been across the invisible border and yet they pontificate as if they know what they are talking about. They know nothing. Ignorant. Just spout stupid fuckin nonsense .
So having been, does that give me the right to say what I think? Are you the sole arbitor of truth, or are you also guilty of seeing just the one angle?
Ffs.... u can say whatever u want. But shite is shite no matter how much u dress it up. And yes , I do know what I’m talking about luv, babe , hun
Of course you do. You have a talent for eloquence and facts which reinforce our opinion of you. Perhaps you could use your intellect to solve other world problems as well. Maybe start by selecting places you’ve been too first rather than just pontificating?"Oh please tell me where I haven’t been ? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Unfortunately the vast majority of ppl on this thread have never been to Northern Ireland , never been across the invisible border and yet they pontificate as if they know what they are talking about. They know nothing. Ignorant. Just spout stupid fuckin nonsense .
So having been, does that give me the right to say what I think? Are you the sole arbitor of truth, or are you also guilty of seeing just the one angle?
Ffs.... u can say whatever u want. But shite is shite no matter how much u dress it up. And yes , I do know what I’m talking about luv, babe , hun
Of course you do. You have a talent for eloquence and facts which reinforce our opinion of you. Perhaps you could use your intellect to solve other world problems as well. Maybe start by selecting places you’ve been too first rather than just pontificating?
Oh please tell me where I haven’t been ?"That’s up to you to tell us?  | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Unfortunately the vast majority of ppl on this thread have never been to Northern Ireland , never been across the invisible border and yet they pontificate as if they know what they are talking about. They know nothing. Ignorant. Just spout stupid fuckin nonsense .
So having been, does that give me the right to say what I think? Are you the sole arbitor of truth, or are you also guilty of seeing just the one angle?
Ffs.... u can say whatever u want. But shite is shite no matter how much u dress it up. And yes , I do know what I’m talking about luv, babe , hun
Of course you do. You have a talent for eloquence and facts which reinforce our opinion of you. Perhaps you could use your intellect to solve other world problems as well. Maybe start by selecting places you’ve been too first rather than just pontificating?
Oh please tell me where I haven’t been ?
That’s up to you to tell us? "Dear god - keep up. Read up. Your ( weak) point was that I shouldn’t pontificate about places i haven’t been to. Remember. So I live in Northern Ireland and have done for many years. This thread is about the border which I have crossed many times . So yes, I am talking about a place I know very well. Your point being ????????? | |||
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"...you aren’t the arbitor of truth on here. It is clearly a hard point to understand. Your opinions are aggressively put forward, they are yours, but they are no more valid than others. Perhaps consider other people could have valid views and you might be listened to? "We are talking about a border. It is a fact not an opinion. Get your facts straight. You are entitled to your opinion even if you have no idea what you are talking about . | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it ."We clearly do not have the technology. No-one has been able to come up with a workable technological solution. If they had, we wouldnt still be thrashing around cluelessly and coming up with hopeless solutions like the one which Boris wants to sign up to. | |||
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"I'm not usually political I live in my own bubble and never come out but can I ask what's the problem with a border if you want to be in the UK why not put one between you and south if you all want to to be one country" A very strane post . Who wants to be in the Uk exactly ? Certainly Not Dublin . If they dont want to be in the uk why Is there a need for a boarder ? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
We clearly do not have the technology. No-one has been able to come up with a workable technological solution. If they had, we wouldnt still be thrashing around cluelessly and coming up with hopeless solutions like the one which Boris wants to sign up to.
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
We clearly do not have the technology. No-one has been able to come up with a workable technological solution. If they had, we wouldnt still be thrashing around cluelessly and coming up with hopeless solutions like the one which Boris wants to sign up to.
You are totally, check out lard Karl son and has been in place at the Sweden Norway border for many years. And since then technology has advanced even further. It’s eminently do able and I have been involved in the installation of similar systems"I keep forgetting, you are the expert in everything. If only the Tory Brexit team had asked you it would have solved everything. As it is they looked at Norway/Sweden and all other global examples, concluding that none of them were workable. As I said, if only they’d asked you. I guess you must have been over to Norway to check out the details, or maybe even worked on it? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it ."Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker! | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker! "Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
We clearly do not have the technology. No-one has been able to come up with a workable technological solution. If they had, we wouldnt still be thrashing around cluelessly and coming up with hopeless solutions like the one which Boris wants to sign up to.
You are totally, check out lard Karl son and has been in place at the Sweden Norway border for many years. And since then technology has advanced even further. It’s eminently do able and I have been involved in the installation of similar systems
I keep forgetting, you are the expert in everything. If only the Tory Brexit team had asked you it would have solved everything. As it is they looked at Norway/Sweden and all other global examples, concluding that none of them were workable. As I said, if only they’d asked you. I guess you must have been over to Norway to check out the details, or maybe even worked on it? "You have zero idea about the technology that exists . If I had your mobile phone number and car registration I could track you anywhere in the world and record your every movement , text message, phone call. And as I know what car/ vehicle you are driving, if you drove over/ across sensors I could tell if your load / cargo matches with what you have declared . Whatever technology you think exists , you are already 10 years behind the curve | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology"If we leave the EU there will be a hard border in Ireland , the sooner you get used to it the sooner you will stop being so angry | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
We clearly do not have the technology. No-one has been able to come up with a workable technological solution. If they had, we wouldnt still be thrashing around cluelessly and coming up with hopeless solutions like the one which Boris wants to sign up to.
You are totally, check out lard Karl son and has been in place at the Sweden Norway border for many years. And since then technology has advanced even further. It’s eminently do able and I have been involved in the installation of similar systems
I keep forgetting, you are the expert in everything. If only the Tory Brexit team had asked you it would have solved everything. As it is they looked at Norway/Sweden and all other global examples, concluding that none of them were workable. As I said, if only they’d asked you. I guess you must have been over to Norway to check out the details, or maybe even worked on it?
You have zero idea about the technology that exists . If I had your mobile phone number and car registration I could track you anywhere in the world and record your every movement , text message, phone call. And as I know what car/ vehicle you are driving, if you drove over/ across sensors I could tell if your load / cargo matches with what you have declared . Whatever technology you think exists , you are already 10 years behind the curve "And is all that technology in place in Ireland and ready for the 31st January? Also the criminals are always one step ahead of technology, you are a naive fool if you think otherwise | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
We clearly do not have the technology. No-one has been able to come up with a workable technological solution. If they had, we wouldnt still be thrashing around cluelessly and coming up with hopeless solutions like the one which Boris wants to sign up to.
You are totally, check out lard Karl son and has been in place at the Sweden Norway border for many years. And since then technology has advanced even further. It’s eminently do able and I have been involved in the installation of similar systems
I keep forgetting, you are the expert in everything. If only the Tory Brexit team had asked you it would have solved everything. As it is they looked at Norway/Sweden and all other global examples, concluding that none of them were workable. As I said, if only they’d asked you. I guess you must have been over to Norway to check out the details, or maybe even worked on it?
You have zero idea about the technology that exists . If I had your mobile phone number and car registration I could track you anywhere in the world and record your every movement , text message, phone call. And as I know what car/ vehicle you are driving, if you drove over/ across sensors I could tell if your load / cargo matches with what you have declared . Whatever technology you think exists , you are already 10 years behind the curve
And is all that technology in place in Ireland and ready for the 31st January? Also the criminals are always one step ahead of technology, you are a naive fool if you think otherwise "Duh -,no it’s not and won’t be in place by 31 jan . So what ?. Do you actually know what the date of 31 jan actually means in terms of trade ?. Obviously not. We will leave the EU and then there will be trade talks for how long ?. A year Boris says- who knows . And another Duh - criminals have always been ahead of technology and always will be. So fuckin what. 99% of trade is legal and legitimate and leaving the EU won’t change that fact . Duh. | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
If we leave the EU there will be a hard border in Ireland , the sooner you get used to it the sooner you will stop being so angry "You don’t know what you are talking about. There will never be, can never be, a HARD border in Ireland . Do you know how long that border is?. Do you know how many roads cross that border ?. No- I didn’t think you do. It’s impossible. Unless Trump gets involved in building a wall. It will never happen . Maybe educate yourself and get ur ignorant ass over to the border and see how stupid the notion is to build a HARD border with hundreds of customs posts , patrols and physical barriered checkpoints . | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology"Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities . | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities . "Will the technology be in place for January 31st and who will be paying for it ? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
If we leave the EU there will be a hard border in Ireland , the sooner you get used to it the sooner you will stop being so angry
You don’t know what you are talking about. There will never be, can never be, a HARD border in Ireland . Do you know how long that border is?. Do you know how many roads cross that border ?. No- I didn’t think you do. It’s impossible. Unless Trump gets involved in building a wall. It will never happen . Maybe educate yourself and get ur ignorant ass over to the border and see how stupid the notion is to build a HARD border with hundreds of customs posts , patrols and physical barriered checkpoints . "Calm down dear, you are getting far to excited Face facts, there will be a ‘hard’ border in Ireland and the British government will be paying for it | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities . "I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles? -Matt | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
Will the technology be in place for January 31st and who will be paying for it ? "No it won’t be in place. It doesn’t need to be. 31 jan is when the withdrawal agreement comes into force. Not when trade taxes, tariffs etc come into force | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
Will the technology be in place for January 31st and who will be paying for it ?
No it won’t be in place. It doesn’t need to be. 31 jan is when the withdrawal agreement comes into force. Not when trade taxes, tariffs etc come into force"What? But but but, it is the date we leave the EU, ‘Brexit will be done’ you can’t be suggesting it will take longer ? Really ? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles?
-Matt"The same way it does today . Don’t you know how international / domestic / trade works .? Oh - you are getting mixed up with smuggling. God this is so tedious. There will always be smugglers. Geddit? | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker! "It is difficult to see how the issue of people smuggling has any real relevance to the Irish border . Even if you managed to enter N.I illegally , it would be a very difficult country in which to lose yourself . The community is very tightly knit and different to that of the UK . Anyone entering with the intention of engaging in criminal activity might end up having to explain themselves to the various para military organisations ( and find that their activities are brought to an abrupt standstill by the organisations concerned ) The issue of people smuggling in the UK should be a simple one to address . Anyone entering illegally should be subject to immediate deportation . This would remove the incentive to people smuggle and allow the Uk to concentrate its efforts on assisting those with genuine refuge status who have come to the uk legally . The farmer to which your refer who operated the fuel laundering plant was jailed in the South of Ireland for tax evasion . It looks like smuggling did not do him much good . A number of other fuel laundering plants have been closed down . As another poster has already stated we already have the technology , we just need to use it . | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles?
-Matt
The same way it does today . Don’t you know how international / domestic / trade works .? Oh - you are getting mixed up with smuggling. God this is so tedious. There will always be smugglers. Geddit?"Always be smugglers? But I thought the whole point of this clusterfuck was to “take back control” of our borders? -Matt | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles?
-Matt
The same way it does today . Don’t you know how international / domestic / trade works .? Oh - you are getting mixed up with smuggling. God this is so tedious. There will always be smugglers. Geddit?
Always be smugglers? But I thought the whole point of this clusterfuck was to “take back control” of our borders?
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles?
-Matt
The same way it does today . Don’t you know how international / domestic / trade works .? Oh - you are getting mixed up with smuggling. God this is so tedious. There will always be smugglers. Geddit?
Always be smugglers? But I thought the whole point of this clusterfuck was to “take back control” of our borders?
-Matt
Zzzzz... do you know anything about smuggling in the real world ?"Yeah, do you? Matt has a very valid point, can you explain how we are going to ‘take back control ‘ of our borders without a hard border | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
It is difficult to see how the issue of people smuggling has any real relevance to the Irish border . Even if you managed to enter N.I illegally , it would be a very difficult country in which to lose yourself . The community is very tightly knit and different to that of the UK . Anyone entering with the intention of engaging in criminal activity might end up having to explain themselves to the various para military organisations ( and find that their activities are brought to an abrupt standstill by the organisations concerned )
The issue of people smuggling in the UK should be a simple one to address . Anyone entering illegally should be subject to immediate deportation . This would remove the incentive to people smuggle and allow the Uk to concentrate its efforts on assisting those with genuine refuge status who have come to the uk legally .
The farmer to which your refer who operated the fuel laundering plant was jailed in the South of Ireland for tax evasion . It looks like smuggling did not do him much good . A number of other fuel laundering plants have been closed down .
As another poster has already stated we already have the technology , we just need to use it .
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles?
-Matt
The same way it does today . Don’t you know how international / domestic / trade works .? Oh - you are getting mixed up with smuggling. God this is so tedious. There will always be smugglers. Geddit?
Always be smugglers? But I thought the whole point of this clusterfuck was to “take back control” of our borders?
-Matt
Zzzzz... do you know anything about smuggling in the real world ?
Yeah, do you? Matt has a very valid point, can you explain how we are going to ‘take back control ‘ of our borders without a hard border "Taking back control over our borders will have zero effect on smuggling | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles?
-Matt"Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles?
-Matt
The same way it does today . Don’t you know how international / domestic / trade works .? Oh - you are getting mixed up with smuggling. God this is so tedious. There will always be smugglers. Geddit?
Always be smugglers? But I thought the whole point of this clusterfuck was to “take back control” of our borders?
-Matt
Zzzzz... do you know anything about smuggling in the real world ?
Yeah, do you? Matt has a very valid point, can you explain how we are going to ‘take back control ‘ of our borders without a hard border
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
Genuine, legal , honest companies that trade between the uk and the ROI won’t be trundling down narrow country lanes . Can’t you get that into your very small brain. Then , as in now , legitimate traders which make up 99% of all trade will be going down the main arterial routes. I mean - how hard is that to understand ???????!. There always has been criminals/ smugglers and always will be . Technology is increasingly discovering this criminality. But it will NEVER be 100%, even if you physically stop and search every vehicle / boat / aircraft that crosses any border anywhere in the world. But the technology is already in place to identify every vehicle that travels all major routes, roads, crossings , borders in every corner of the globe. I know because I was involved in installing such technology
Hi . A great post . Good to see a poster who knows how technology works and how it should be used . It looks like some posters on here mean to familiarise themselves with the process of data mining and the volumes of data currently available to the authorities .
I suppose you can enlighten us then how this technology will inspect the contents of the vehicles?
-Matt
The same way it does today . Don’t you know how international / domestic / trade works .? Oh - you are getting mixed up with smuggling. God this is so tedious. There will always be smugglers. Geddit?
Always be smugglers? But I thought the whole point of this clusterfuck was to “take back control” of our borders?
-Matt
Zzzzz... do you know anything about smuggling in the real world ?
Yeah, do you? Matt has a very valid point, can you explain how we are going to ‘take back control ‘ of our borders without a hard border
Taking back control over our borders will have zero effect on smuggling
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
We clearly do not have the technology. No-one has been able to come up with a workable technological solution. If they had, we wouldnt still be thrashing around cluelessly and coming up with hopeless solutions like the one which Boris wants to sign up to.
You are totally, check out lard Karl son and has been in place at the Sweden Norway border for many years. And since then technology has advanced even further. It’s eminently do able and I have been involved in the installation of similar systems
I keep forgetting, you are the expert in everything. If only the Tory Brexit team had asked you it would have solved everything. As it is they looked at Norway/Sweden and all other global examples, concluding that none of them were workable. As I said, if only they’d asked you. I guess you must have been over to Norway to check out the details, or maybe even worked on it?
You have zero idea about the technology that exists . If I had your mobile phone number and car registration I could track you anywhere in the world and record your every movement , text message, phone call. And as I know what car/ vehicle you are driving, if you drove over/ across sensors I could tell if your load / cargo matches with what you have declared . Whatever technology you think exists , you are already 10 years behind the curve "Well I shall enjoy telling my friend who has a very good job in Cheltenham that some chap on a swingers website is involved with installing security tech - he probably knows who you are already  | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
It is difficult to see how the issue of people smuggling has any real relevance to the Irish border . Even if you managed to enter N.I illegally , it would be a very difficult country in which to lose yourself . The community is very tightly knit and different to that of the UK . Anyone entering with the intention of engaging in criminal activity might end up having to explain themselves to the various para military organisations ( and find that their activities are brought to an abrupt standstill by the organisations concerned )
The issue of people smuggling in the UK should be a simple one to address . Anyone entering illegally should be subject to immediate deportation . This would remove the incentive to people smuggle and allow the Uk to concentrate its efforts on assisting those with genuine refuge status who have come to the uk legally .
The farmer to which your refer who operated the fuel laundering plant was jailed in the South of Ireland for tax evasion . It looks like smuggling did not do him much good . A number of other fuel laundering plants have been closed down .
As another poster has already stated we already have the technology , we just need to use it .
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . " Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now" So whats the benefit of Brexit again? | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now So whats the benefit of Brexit again? "You'll get a blue passport! How can you overlook such a huge and obvious benefit?! | |||
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"The rules of the single market, as agreed with WTO, require it. According to some here the WTO is finished, it will be the same as say Southampton or any other port anywhere in the world vast majority wont be checked and those that do will be done away from the border, dont forget TIR stuff crosses borders without checks, you and all remainers are just finding issues that aren't there in attempt to stop brexit" TIR - doesn’t that involve using carnets and passing the cost of that onto customers? Perhaps you could explain it to all the remainers on here as they obviously don’t understand how business works! I thought it was supposed to get simpler and better after Brexit. Was I mistaken? | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now" If we can manage to get freight through Felixstowe without custom checks and where containers arrive from all over the world we can manage the issue at the Irish border quite easily. | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now If we can manage to get freight through Felixstowe without custom checks and where containers arrive from all over the world we can manage the issue at the Irish border quite easily. " Then how is Brexit going to help us ‘take back control’ of our borders?? | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now If we can manage to get freight through Felixstowe without custom checks and where containers arrive from all over the world we can manage the issue at the Irish border quite easily. Then how is Brexit going to help us ‘take back control’ of our borders?? " Priti Patel explained it in a newspaper article on Monday. | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
It is difficult to see how the issue of people smuggling has any real relevance to the Irish border . Even if you managed to enter N.I illegally , it would be a very difficult country in which to lose yourself . The community is very tightly knit and different to that of the UK . Anyone entering with the intention of engaging in criminal activity might end up having to explain themselves to the various para military organisations ( and find that their activities are brought to an abrupt standstill by the organisations concerned )
The issue of people smuggling in the UK should be a simple one to address . Anyone entering illegally should be subject to immediate deportation . This would remove the incentive to people smuggle and allow the Uk to concentrate its efforts on assisting those with genuine refuge status who have come to the uk legally .
The farmer to which your refer who operated the fuel laundering plant was jailed in the South of Ireland for tax evasion . It looks like smuggling did not do him much good . A number of other fuel laundering plants have been closed down .
As another poster has already stated we already have the technology , we just need to use it .
I never thought I would say it but well done Pat for looking up that story about the farmer. The whole point is that he was defrauding the customs and excise (and he was caught) by smuggling goods from one country to another illicitly to profit from differing taxation regimes. Please read my post and absorb it fully before trotting out your one handed replies. Thankyou "Hi. I am not quite sure why I would need to look up the article. I had the knowledge first hand in my head and from a book written on the issue. I have a fairly detailed knowledge of the areas concerned . They are best avoided where possible. | |||
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"I am still really struggling to understand how anyone could vote for the UK to leave the EU so we can control our borders and then say we don't want a hard border between the UK and the EU ( I suspect this is where the phrase " didn't know what they were voting for " originated ) There will never ever be a hard border in Ireland. It’s fake news. It’s totally impossible. Hi. Excellent point. Quite a few posters on here have not caught up with the modern word . They fail to appreciate the technology available to monitor movement or that cross border traffic is comparatively small. In any event there are only a limited number of entry points to either Northern or Sourthern Ireland and these are comparireky easy to monitor. Northern Ireland is a small community and you cannot just hide yourself in it as you could in the UK. Anyone involved in the movement of freight can be put on a red light monitoring system. The idea that you need a hard border to have control is laughable. I wonder why every country in the world has hard borders then, seems such a waste of money doesn't it... . Perhaps every country in the world hasn't caught up with with the modern world (lol ) , I think the modern technology argument was put forward by the winners of the leave campaign when realization hit them about the border in Ireland , it sounded a good point until they were asked to name one other place where this amazing new modern technology was used ,, What alternative universe are you living in?. You’ve never heard of technology ,?... computers ?... GPS?... ANPR??. How many times have countries left the EU?. Of course the technology can be used . ANPR can be used on any roads and in fact there are already hundreds if not thousands of ANPR cameras across northern and Southern Ireland . We are not talking about the illegal drugs trade here; just routine , non criminal trade with goods manifests , electronic payments of tax/ duty, barcodes; stuff that is routine right now and has been in place for many years. There already is in place different currency, different taxes, different VAT rates north and south, all handled by technology. It doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to come up with a bespoke solution for new arrangements north and south and east west And when we leave the EU we wont have access to the Europol database and Ireland and England will become a smugglers heaven. Oh and what did you make of the C4 people smuggling programme? That really showed how effective technology was didnt it. It is difficult to see how people smuggling would have any relevance to the Irish border . The desired destination of most illegal immigrants is the UK, not Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland community is very different to that of the UK, you cannot simply just lose yourself in it.
Technology, spot checks and a traffic light system for monitoring the movement of freight make the concept of a hard border irrelevant.
A few confiscation orders and the seizure of vehicles would soon put off anyone prepared to chance their luck.
We are talking about a very small country with limited points of entry.
In addition instead of glamorising smugglers we should regard them as truly horrible people who deprive the government of taxes uses to fund public services.
As smuggling is not in the interest of either the North or South of Ireland there is no reason why there cannot be a joint initiative by both governments to crack down on it .
We have the technology , let's use it .
Oh dear Pat - try watching the programme before pontificating. It was about how easy it is to smuggle people across borders despite the technological advances which are supposed to stop it from happening. The ebullient poster who mentioned the tech used in Scandinavian countries for some years now is being a little disingenuous as the system would be unlikely to work on the small country roads between NI and Eire. I have used it to pass from denmark, sweden and norway a number of times and it is really good to not have to stop at border posts but then again its rather like what we have already by being in the EU now. As for glamorising smugglers...sometimes I wonder if you are just being obtuse or maybe a bit thick because my comment was irony which I realise from past experience that you struggle with. During the troubles there was a farm on the border which was used to smuggle agricultural diesel in vast quantities between the two countries - it even merited an article with photos and illustrations in the Sunday Times Magazine. This smuggling came about because the tax regimes and the colouring used in agricultural diesel were different so taxi drivers and farmers in NI wanted this much cheaper diesel. Smuggling is not a product of shipwrecks but a result of either outlawed contraband (drugs and guns) or different tax regimes whereby its worth smuggling cheap cigarettes, booze, fuel from one country to another which is quite likely to be the case when we leave the eurozone. Its not rocket science, even for you you old trucker!
It is difficult to see how the issue of people smuggling has any real relevance to the Irish border . Even if you managed to enter N.I illegally , it would be a very difficult country in which to lose yourself . The community is very tightly knit and different to that of the UK . Anyone entering with the intention of engaging in criminal activity might end up having to explain themselves to the various para military organisations ( and find that their activities are brought to an abrupt standstill by the organisations concerned )
The issue of people smuggling in the UK should be a simple one to address . Anyone entering illegally should be subject to immediate deportation . This would remove the incentive to people smuggle and allow the Uk to concentrate its efforts on assisting those with genuine refuge status who have come to the uk legally .
The farmer to which your refer who operated the fuel laundering plant was jailed in the South of Ireland for tax evasion . It looks like smuggling did not do him much good . A number of other fuel laundering plants have been closed down .
As another poster has already stated we already have the technology , we just need to use it .
I never thought I would say it but well done Pat for looking up that story about the farmer. The whole point is that he was defrauding the customs and excise (and he was caught) by smuggling goods from one country to another illicitly to profit from differing taxation regimes. Please read my post and absorb it fully before trotting out your one handed replies. Thankyou Hi. I am not quite sure why I would need to look up the article. I had the knowledge first hand in my head and from a book written on the issue. I have a fairly detailed knowledge of the areas concerned . They are best avoided where possible. "You do realise the it will be the EU and Ireland who will decide the details of the border and not the British government , they will be the ones paying though | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now If we can manage to get freight through Felixstowe without custom checks and where containers arrive from all over the world we can manage the issue at the Irish border quite easily. Then how is Brexit going to help us ‘take back control’ of our borders?? Priti Patel explained it in a newspaper article on Monday. " I didn’t read it and I don’t want to. Can you explain how the new border will help us take ‘back control’ ? | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now If we can manage to get freight through Felixstowe without custom checks and where containers arrive from all over the world we can manage the issue at the Irish border quite easily. Then how is Brexit going to help us ‘take back control’ of our borders?? Priti Patel explained it in a newspaper article on Monday. I didn’t read it and I don’t want to. Can you explain how the new border will help us take ‘back control’ ? " New border ? | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now If we can manage to get freight through Felixstowe without custom checks and where containers arrive from all over the world we can manage the issue at the Irish border quite easily. Then how is Brexit going to help us ‘take back control’ of our borders?? Priti Patel explained it in a newspaper article on Monday. I didn’t read it and I don’t want to. Can you explain how the new border will help us take ‘back control’ ? New border ?" So, we are taking back control of our borders by using the same border as we already have | |||
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" Why would you need to inspect the contents of a vehicle . I thought that the whole point of the technology involved was to monitor movement , identify risk and only search those with an identifiable risk . Large blue chip organisations or reputable hauliers are hardly going to risk their reputation by becoming involved in smuggling . There is no need to stop a vehicle at a border , it can be done anywhere where a roadside check is set up and the authorities have the relevant equipment to hand to undertake a check . VOSA currently operate a traffic light system , we do not see many complaints about it . Many companies use trackers on their vehicles for various reasons, those who say the tech doesnt exist are saying it to stop brexit, as Ive said many times already Southampton docks only check 2% of imports regardless whether its eu or non eu origin so why does the NI need anything different. As you say large companies arent going to smuggle stuff and most tariffs are small enough not to make it worthwhile and AG prodcts are tracable from farm to plate now If we can manage to get freight through Felixstowe without custom checks and where containers arrive from all over the world we can manage the issue at the Irish border quite easily. Then how is Brexit going to help us ‘take back control’ of our borders?? Priti Patel explained it in a newspaper article on Monday. I didn’t read it and I don’t want to. Can you explain how the new border will help us take ‘back control’ ? New border ? So, we are taking back control of our borders by using the same border as we already have "New border ? | |||
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