FabSwingers.com forum: Have you changed your mind on Brexit?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hi,

Another simple question. Regardless of how you voted during the Brexit referendum, would you now vote the other way?

I'm curious if many people have changed their minds. I suspect most have not. It seems to be human nature that we dig in our heels if argued with.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'd vote the same way as previously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope still the same.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Still the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same as before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope would still vote the same way .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would still be the same remain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same. Brexshit out.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Me same out ....Jane was remain says now ...deffo out

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Changed from Leave to Remain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remainer for life....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Me same out ....Jane was remain says now ...deffo out"

Which deal do you prefer? The Boris deal or no deal??

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

I don't vote however observing from the sidelines and seeing what a cluster fuck Parliament has made of the last three years plus of a referendum result, the way the negotiations have taken place, the EUs stance in negotiations. The politicians who were elected on manifestos to honour the referendum and continued back stabbing, shouting, heckling and absolute chicanery, the rebel MPs running to the EU at every opportunity. I would vote for Leaving. Clearly the EU is not a democracy, the UK has lost its democracy in not honouring the majority who voted leave.

On a side note when Wales voted for devolution, that was an extremely close referendum, but I didn't see any chicanery there, the vote was honoured.

This Brexit referendum was billed as a once in a generation decision and the result has not been implemented even as this was promised in a leaflet delivered to every household in the UK by the government.

Would I vote, no, but the leavers have my complete empathy. The whole thing is an abomination and I clearly see what politicians are really about. The majority of parliamentarians have clearly shown what a bunch of low life's they really are. A very sad show indeed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Only 1 person says their vote would change at this point. Pretty much as I guessed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry just noticed. 2 have changed.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I now realize how bloody silly the referendum was and how scary the future is if the leave without a deal Zealots get their way. It's hindsight though and as a country we have stepped into the biggest cowpat in the history of Cowpats.

I would probably not vote tbh if it was rerun as a binary vote as just another cowpat in a field with binary referendum cowpats in. when you think about it not voting sort of fills in the third box that there needs to be and a perhaps a second preference. Not voting becomes the defacto leave with a deal or negotiate a better one please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't changed my mind.

I can't see why anyone would. We don't know anything now we didn't know from the start.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

I have changed from a reluctant remainer to a definite remainer

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

Remain same as last time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Still only 2 who would change their vote at this point.

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By *teveuk77Man
over a year ago

"I don't vote however observing from the sidelines and seeing what a cluster fuck Parliament has made of the last three years plus of a referendum result, the way the negotiations have taken place, the EUs stance in negotiations.

Out of interest, what stance? They agreed a deal with May. A deal which is superior to the one on offer. The only reason that didn't go through is that it didn't serve the interests of the ERG and its unlikely that any deal would be good enough for the remain MPs.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Still only 2 who would change their vote at this point.

But a lot of people that are saying no they wouldnt change voted remain.

So why would they want to change?

I was a leaver and now i would vote 100% remain.

Its the only way we can get back onto focusing on other more important issues straight away.

Any type of brexit deal or no deal brexit will be dominating and taking up years of mps time and energy just like the last 3 years.

Article 50 needs to be revoked and lets get back on track with the real issues in the country.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Voted to stay in the EU in 2016.

Seen nothing since to persuade me otherwise. If anything, the pantomime at Westminster trying to "take back control" has hardened my view.

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By *hechairman18Man
over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT."

Just keep extending the Brexit date that's good to us.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Quite a few leave voters appear to be changing their mind , they wanted to take control of our borders ---- then ---- they don't want a border where we have a border ----- then ---- they don't want a border between the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom ---- then they do want a border between the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No"

You didn’t vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT."

Calm down, we will leave when we get this amazing deal we were promised. Why are you in such a hurry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All this shit is because the referendum was deeply flawed and the politicians knew it and are trying to bend the result to meet their ends.

It's obvious really isn't it ? If you remove the politics from the referendum you can see there were 3 basic choices and we only got 2 of them. No wonder it is such a Fiasco. And The peoples vote wally bangers want another one like it. It absolutely makes my blood boil. I feel like that Harry Enfield character with the big bushy eyebrows that blows his cheeks in and out whenever the B word is mentioned LOL.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All this shit is because the referendum was deeply flawed and the politicians knew it and are trying to bend the result to meet their ends.

It's Angry Frank

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Still only 2 who would change their vote at this point.

But a lot of people that are saying no they wouldnt change voted remain.

So why would they want to change?

I was a leaver and now i would vote 100% remain.

Its the only way we can get back onto focusing on other more important issues straight away.

Any type of brexit deal or no deal brexit will be dominating and taking up years of mps time and energy just like the last 3 years.

Article 50 needs to be revoked and lets get back on track with the real issues in the country."

Not to attack you in any way. But why have you changed your mind?

We don't know anything now that we knew 3 or 4 years ago.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

No. I'd still vote the same. I think they are delaying to wear people down so we don't leave or to try and force a 2nd referendum. We voted, they need to get on with what they are paid to do.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

Both haven't changed our minds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It appear some leavers have changed their minds ..No surprise after this cluster fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Is there anyone on here under 50 that voted to leave ??

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By *hechairman18Man
over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant."

So you give a simple answer to a complex problem and think you have nailed it eh? Well I somehow think that none of the British governments of recent times would have invested in those areas in the same way the EU has which is why I was asking the lady from Cornwall her opinion not yours

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Calm down, we will leave when we get this amazing deal we were promised. Why are you in such a hurry

So he can watch the mayhem unfold from the Patya hotel he spends his winters in...

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By *lderguy4uMan
over a year ago

wirral

Still the same

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By *ffc290677Couple
over a year ago

sandy

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By *ffc290677Couple
over a year ago

sandy

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant."
100% agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant.100% agree "

Which deal did you vote for in 2016?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant."

That's all that happens with any taxation system.

So, with the above in mind, are you suggesting that all taxation should be scrapped? If so maybe you can point to some human advance that was made without some form of collectivism (taxation is the simplest form of collectivism, all contribute to the pot through tax and the result is then applied for the common good) driving it?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

My vote would change and vote remain, I think my leave vote has done its job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Is there anyone on here under 50 that voted to leave ??

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yeah, I am under 50 and voted leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What’s to be made of the surge in voter registrations, with nearly two million registering in the past eight weeks.

Over half of the applications 58% were from voters aged 34 or under, compared to just 7% for those over 65.

Whatever the reason more young voters can only be s good thing...

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant.

That's all that happens with any taxation system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Is there anyone on here under 50 that voted to leave ??

yeah, I am under 50 and voted leave."

There is one of you

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"destroyed the left wing labour party do not think ou intended that lol"

You really are the epitome of a forelock tugging village idiot. You cheer when those who would return you to serfdom win a battle and you cheer when those who have won you every freedom you have loose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No !

Except I’m more certain of wanting to leave than ever !

Yes No Deal !!!

Preferable !

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No !

Except I’m more certain of wanting to leave than ever !

Yes No Deal !!!

Preferable !

Why not The Boris deal?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"No

You didn’t vote

Doesn’t mean I haven’t changed my mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No

You didn’t vote

Doesn’t mean I haven’t changed my mind

Ah, tbh I have changed my mind a few times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. I thought I made voted the right way at the time, then changed my mind. Now I know I voted the right way at the time

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By *urchoicenowCouple
over a year ago

Ashford

Not changed mind at all

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Nope, thought the same for 30 years - just watched all my suspicions become truly overt though.

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By *linkyMalinkyWoman
over a year ago

South Somerset

I’d vote remain again.

Feel kinda sorry for the leavers. They were promised a unicorn and delivered a donkey. In simplistic terms, I can’t see the MPs ever agreeing on a deal, as there’s no deal possible which won’t leave us far worse off than we are in the EU.

As a small business owner I wish they’d just get on with it one way or the other so we can get on with our lives. My income has taken a significant nosedive since this whole sorry shitshow started, I think people just aren’t spending money unless it’s completely necessary.

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By *amfabMan
over a year ago

Luton

Leave means leave people voted parties into power on the manifesto they gave saying they will respect the vote and leave since coming into power everyone except conservatives have changed there stance

Traitors ...

No matter how you voted as a individual, the parties after the referendum lied to get votes saying they would honour the vote and are doing all in there power to do the opposite except Conservative

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted stay and even helped the campaign

Then I had time to do my own research and changed my mind

Now I would do anything to leave.

The UK needs its democracy back at any cost, and that btw, is likely to be very expensive

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By *ip73Man
over a year ago

Stanwell

I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote.

Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country

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By *amfabMan
over a year ago

Luton

We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office

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By *amfabMan
over a year ago

Luton

"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote.

Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country"

Agreed .. don't vote don't moan if you don't like the outcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote.

Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country

Agreed .. don't vote don't moan if you don't like the outcome"

Thankfully we don't yet live in a totalitarian fascist state. Political dissent is still legal. And we will continue to speak out weather we voted or not.

Feel free to tow the line of those in power who label dissent as "moaning". But it won't stop us from speaking up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote.

Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country"

Why aren't the leave voters to blame?

They specifically voted for this. We're told in excruciating detail what would happen if leave won. It's currently happening as described.

Leaver keep saying "we know what we voted for". So they should take responsibility.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office

Lol

The referendum was in 2016.

The MPs were elected in 2017.

People voted them into office.

Your frustration may be understandable, but your solution is an affront to democracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office

Lol

The referendum was in 2016.

The MPs were elected in 2017.

People voted them into office.

Your frustration may be understandable, but your solution is an affront to democracy.

This

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote.

Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country

Why aren't the leave voters to blame?

They specifically voted for this. We're told in excruciating detail what would happen if leave won. It's currently happening as described.

Leaver keep saying "we know what we voted for". So they should take responsibility."

As long as people keep attaching "blame", then the Country will find it difficult to move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote.

Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country

Why aren't the leave voters to blame?

They specifically voted for this. We're told in excruciating detail what would happen if leave won. It's currently happening as described.

Leaver keep saying "we know what we voted for". So they should take responsibility.

As long as people keep attaching "blame", then the Country will find it difficult to move on. "

I was replying to the poster who was talking about blame.

And in general I agree, we should all be trying to come together to fix this shit. But we're too far down the brexit toilet, and as evidence in this thread, people are still cheering on the UKs race to the bottom.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Leavers are in complete denial . Large multinational companies are pulling out. Tens of thousands of jobs have already gone with more to follow. Seasonal workers didn’t turn up this year meaning fruit and veg has rotted as its not been picked. The country is a laughing stock. People downright despise each other . Output has fallen to the point now where there is practically zero growth. Our currency will never recover. And this is only the start. If it’s taken this long to agree terms to leave , it’s gonna take even longer to agree a trade deal and implement it. For what?. To take our country back ? ( whatever that means). To secure our borders ? Huh?. All because the thick masses were persuaded by the vote leave bus banner. People , as a pack , are generally stupid and Brexit has proved it. When the media travel around the country ( particularly up north) and ask the man on the street what they think about the present situation , their remarks says it all really. Plain fucking dumb idiots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plenty of seasonal workers where I am still and no rotten stuff laying around either and I live in one of the most agricultural areas of the country so am not quite sure if your statement is factually true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plenty of seasonal workers where I am still and no rotten stuff laying around either and I live in one of the most agricultural areas of the country so am not quite sure if your statement is factually true."

Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life.

Mean more than.

The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life.

Mean more than.

The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life.

Mean more than.

The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives."

I have to say that pretty much sums up the difference between some leave voters and most remain supporters,

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This is getting off topic, isn't it?

To sum up, based on what's been said: the majority wouldn't vote the other way now. Only a few seem to have changed their stance. Pretty much what I expected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire."

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life.

Mean more than.

The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives."

And nothing to do with the fact that seasonal fruit and veg pickers will always go where they get paid the most.

Wages are better now in other EU countries, improved tax breaks, and coupled with a worse exchange rate, has made for the UK not being particularly attractive this year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe different in the south west where you are from but it's not the case here, an yeah I am gonna trust what I can see with my own two eyes instead of someone who has probably just read what you wrote on social bullshit media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? "
no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?"

No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life.

Mean more than.

The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives.

And nothing to do with the fact that seasonal fruit and veg pickers will always go where they get paid the most.

Wages are better now in other EU countries, improved tax breaks, and coupled with a worse exchange rate, has made for the UK not being particularly attractive this year. "

Yes. This is the kind of conversation we should be happening.

Instead of debating Whether reality is real or not.

There needs to be debate about why things are happening. And what to do about them.

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Nope not changed my mind. Voted remain. Would again. I have looked at as many aspects to leaving as I can and haven't found a single reason to leave. Nothing improves the status we had. The three pillars of Brexit have all been proven wrong.

We've always had sovereignty

Immigration is a benefit

The economy won't be better off

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office

By what mechanism?

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over a year ago

"Nope not changed my mind. Voted remain. Would again. I have looked at as many aspects to leaving as I can and haven't found a single reason to leave. Nothing improves the status we had. The three pillars of Brexit have all been proven wrong.

We've always had sovereignty

Immigration is a benefit

The economy won't be better off"

The Pillars of Brexit are

Tax avoidance for the ultra rich

The removal of EU red tape in the form of workers rights, environmental protection, food safety standards

Crashing to economy and the pound for the benefit of those who currency trade and short sterling (Rees Mogg, Johnson etc)

The weakening of Europe and the UK (Russia's pillar)

Opening the UK market for an absolute killing (America's pillar)

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over a year ago

"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office

By what mechanism? "

There aren't any policies to prevent us leaving.

What's this about?

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over a year ago

"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office

By what mechanism?

There aren't any policies to prevent us leaving.

What's this about?"

I guessed they were referring to things like the Benn Act etc

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over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?

No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? "
ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit.

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over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?

No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit."

I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical...

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over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?

I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical...

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No cant say I have seen any of them either funny enough, didn't think they used giraffes for fruit and vedge harvesting in this country but guess always a first

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over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?

I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical...

No cant say I have seen any of them either funny enough, didn't think they used giraffes for fruit and vedge harvesting in this country but guess always a first

File under unicorns then as seeing is believing...

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By *ez1987Man
over a year ago

Great Harwood, Blackburn

My vote would still be the same as last time

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over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?

I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical...

No cant say I have seen any of them either funny enough, didn't think they used giraffes for fruit and vedge harvesting in this country but guess always a first

File under unicorns then as seeing is believing...

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oh I knew what u meant just no point in replying really, you are referring to Brexit, I was disputing that produce is going rotten cos everyone has gone bk home or somewhere else, there is lots of unicorns in both the leave and remain brexit arguments in my opinion.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Leavers are in complete denial . Large multinational companies are pulling out. Tens of thousands of jobs have already gone with more to follow. Seasonal workers didn’t turn up this year meaning fruit and veg has rotted as its not been picked. The country is a laughing stock. People downright despise each other . Output has fallen to the point now where there is practically zero growth. Our currency will never recover. And this is only the start. If it’s taken this long to agree terms to leave , it’s gonna take even longer to agree a trade deal and implement it. For what?. To take our country back ? ( whatever that means). To secure our borders ? Huh?. All because the thick masses were persuaded by the vote leave bus banner. People , as a pack , are generally stupid and Brexit has proved it. When the media travel around the country ( particularly up north) and ask the man on the street what they think about the present situation , their remarks says it all really. Plain fucking dumb idiots."
so what your saying is ppl in the north are plain fucking dumb idiots then so the next referendum maybe should be ppl in the south just vote after all us fucking dumb idiots don’t deserve a vote we are all to thick lmao right me rants over off to feed me pigeons walk me whippet with me flat cap on and peaspudding sarnie wrapped up in me newspaper aye it’s grim up norrrrth

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over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.

I am asking you because I would like to know what your opinion is. In previous threads I have asked people from south wales and have not received a coherent argument as to why they chose to vote leave other than that they made an emotional choice based on the crap they were being fed. Its not personal I just am trying to understand why you made an illogical choice.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

" ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit."

"Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected"

- Daily Mail, October 19

"Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers"

- Guardian, October 11

"Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away"

- The Times, Oct 20

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I guessed they were referring to things like the Benn Act etc"

The Benn Act does not prevent the UK from exiting the EU

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over a year ago

"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire.

Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?

I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical...

No cant say I have seen any of them either funny enough, didn't think they used giraffes for fruit and vedge harvesting in this country but guess always a first

File under unicorns then as seeing is believing...

oh I knew what u meant just no point in replying really, you are referring to Brexit, I was disputing that produce is going rotten cos everyone has gone bk home or somewhere else, there is lots of unicorns in both the leave and remain brexit arguments in my opinion."

Well there was an interview on radio 4 yesterday with a major fruit and veg packer and distributor who said there is a huge shortage of migrant seasonal workers (7000 was the figure I believe) and that this would most likely be reflected in the price and availability of food around Christmas time with particular shortages in hand finished items such as pigs in blankets which cannot be machine made. Happy Brexit Christmas one and all.....

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over a year ago

"Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected"

- Daily Mail, October 19

"Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers"

- Guardian, October 11

"Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away"

- The Times, Oct 20"
well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was undecided before, now I'm definitely in remain camp. Our politicians are useless.

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over a year ago

"Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected"

- Daily Mail, October 19

"Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers"

- Guardian, October 11

"Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away"

- The Times, Oct 20well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours."

All news paper have a bias.

But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc

Some bloke on the internet who looked into a field.

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over a year ago

"Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected"

- Daily Mail, October 19

"Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers"

- Guardian, October 11

"Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away"

All news paper have a bias.

But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc

Some bloke on the internet who looked into a field."
are you? You don't provide any proof from where you got your information,where did you find this so I can read up an see? the other OP quoted 3 newspaper head lines but you just resort to "some bloke looking in a field" but offer nothing else to back up your statement

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Firstly, I am not a farmer.

Secondly, these articles contain interviews with farmers, producers and the NFU.

Thirdly, none of the articles have been corrected.

Which leads me to believe there is substance to the headlines,

"The National Farmers’ Union found there was an overall 18% shortfall in the number of agricultural workers in August, even though businesses had tried to head off difficulties by recruiting up to 25% more people than usual.

"Ali Capper, the chair of the NFU’s horticultural board, said she expected the shortfall to rise to at least 29% in September. She added that two or three businesses collapsed last month because of the problems."

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over a year ago

Ok thanks, at least you offer proof to back up what you are saying, far more mature than some people on here.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Sorting the wheat from the chaff lololololol

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.

And there's the key word. CHOICE. I don't have to justify my reasons, or the way I think to you or anyone else on this thread. Illogical to you or not. Try picking an argument with someone else, it won't work with me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorting the wheat from the chaff lololololol"

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over a year ago

"Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected"

- Daily Mail, October 19

"Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers"

- Guardian, October 11

"Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away"

All news paper have a bias.

But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc

Some bloke on the internet who looked into a field.are you? You don't provide any proof from where you got your information,where did you find this so I can read up an see? the other OP quoted 3 newspaper head lines but you just resort to "some bloke looking in a field" but offer nothing else to back up your statement

I think you're confusing me with someone who looks into a field and decides thats enough information right there to base my views on.

I live in a city, so I don't have the luxury of an all knowing field based oracle.

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over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.

You can understand why people are angry with leave voters and ask "why"?

If it was only leave voters who would suffer from Brexit. That would be fine. But it's the whole country that's bring ruined for no good reason.

I'm not suggesting that you personally should answer. But I can understand why people ask, and why people are pissed off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.

You can understand why people are angry with leave voters and ask "why"?

If it was only leave voters who would suffer from Brexit. That would be fine. But it's the whole country that's bring ruined for no good reason.

I'm not suggesting that you personally should answer. But I can understand why people ask, and why people are pissed off."

Some leave voters don’t care about the consequences of Brexit, they just want to leave no matter what so they can say they ‘won’. They tend to be the older generation that are just trying to ‘stay relevant’

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Looks like this thread is turning into a witch hunt against the leave voters. I'm out. Not needed and nothing to do with the OP whatsoever.

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over a year ago

"Looks like this thread is turning into a witch hunt against the leave voters. I'm out. Not needed and nothing to do with the OP whatsoever.

You don’t care though??

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over a year ago

"Looks like this thread is turning into a witch hunt against the leave voters. I'm out. Not needed and nothing to do with the OP whatsoever.

Exit through the gift shop and pick up something Brexity for Brexmas.

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over a year ago

"Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected"

- Daily Mail, October 19

"Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers"

- Guardian, October 11

"Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away"

All news paper have a bias.

But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc

I think you're confusing me with someone who looks into a field and decides thats enough information right there to base my views on.

I live in a city, so I don't have the luxury of an all knowing field based oracle. "
says it all really, you live in a city an I live in one of the most agricultural an rural parts of the country yet you immediately just discount what I said straight away,and I never said it was enough information, I merely stated that is not what I see in my area around me, not just out of the window as you put it, and when I asked you to back up your information so that I could enlighten myself you just chose to try and insult instead yet not once did i try to do the same to you, such a shame that's how things are on here, nobody seems to have any tolerance towards a differing point of view, they just shout people down all the while.

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By *hechairman18Man
over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

No Pigs in Blankets, for Christmas.

We're all doomed Capt Mainwaring, we're all doomed.

But, wait, maybe the BBC, will put a new Cookery program on,

"Celebrity, Pigs in Blankets" show

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over a year ago

"Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected"

- Daily Mail, October 19

"Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers"

- Guardian, October 11

"Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away"

All news paper have a bias.

But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc

I think you're confusing me with someone who looks into a field and decides thats enough information right there to base my views on.

I live in a city, so I don't have the luxury of an all knowing field based oracle. says it all really, you live in a city an I live in one of the most agricultural an rural parts of the country yet you immediately just discount what I said straight away,and I never said it was enough information, I merely stated that is not what I see in my area around me, not just out of the window as you put it, and when I asked you to back up your information so that I could enlighten myself you just chose to try and insult instead yet not once did i try to do the same to you, such a shame that's how things are on here, nobody seems to have any tolerance towards a differing point of view, they just shout people down all the while."

I'm not insulting you.

I'm just making fun of the general situation we find ourselves in when people disregard information and say it's not true for nonspecific reason other than looking into a field. Which is what you said.

It's a good metaphor for people trying to debate the facts around things like climate change, creationism, Brexit being shit etc. When should be debating what do to about what we know. It's just falling for the right wing corporate agenda. Distracting people by sewing seeds of doubt.

And if you really cared about finding out the truth of the lack of migrant labour during the fruit and veg picking season, you would do more than peer into some fields and ask some randomers on a forum.

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over a year ago

I do care about it as I have several friends who work in this sector from maintenance of farm machinery right through picking, used to do it myself many years ago, and some of these are migrants although most are now settled here as there is a lot of that sort of work in my area, that is why I said what I did because what I hear from them and what I see does not conform to the statement that was made.

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over a year ago

"It was a Referendum.

I voted to Leave.

So did 17.4 million others.

Accept the Result, and get us OUT.

Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.

I’m sorry if you think you’re the victim of a witch hunt on here but, it is the politics forum and if you put a viewpoint forward you should be able to back it up with a coherent argument as to why you think that way. I have no idea why you like the idea of brexit and I genuinely would like to know if you think the EU investment in Cornwall as in Wales and other areas has been a good thing or not. I seriously doubt that the savings, if there are any, that we get from leaving the EU will be spent on regional development in the same way by Westminster but thats just my opinion. None of this is personal, its just debate, whether that is informed or otherwise, and I certainly don't set out with the intention to upset anyone or allow them to feel victimised - it’s just adult discourse is all.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

More determined than ever to leave EU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More determined than ever to leave EU "

Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal?

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"More determined than ever to leave EU "
Absolutely

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"More determined than ever to leave EU

Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal? "
I want OUT... End of

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"More determined than ever to leave EU

Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal? "

I would rather we left with a deal. . But a certain fixed leave date has to be respected, if a favourable deal hasn't been reached at that cut off time then I think we should have left without a deal. . . What incentive does it give the EU negotiators to offer us a good deal now that parliament has ruled no deal cannot be taken?

To me it's negotiation suicide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More determined than ever to leave EU

Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal? I want OUT... End of "

What does OUT? Mean? Are you a Boris fan or a Farage fan?

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over a year ago

"More determined than ever to leave EU

Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal?

To me it's negotiation suicide. "

No deal would be a minor inconvenience for the EU. So it's only a minor card we would hold in any negotiations.

Before the referendum, it was estimated that it would take around five years. And I think they should have made a realistic effort to get it done within that time frame. All the bollocks that came out about it being easy and quick should have been ignored and they should have tried to be realistic.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

If you consider what a kerfuffle the UK has made of trying just to leave - two years of negotiations and three missed deadlines already.

Then consider the deadline for the next agreement on trade and other bilaterals is December 31, 2020.

It is easy to see how we could be looking again at the hardest of hard Brexits 12 months from now.

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