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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Mr Johnson has spoken to fellow leaders and Mr Tusk, telling them the letter "is Parliament's letter, not my letter".

And that is the root of many problems in todays' society.

Mr Johnson is appointed to serve the whole United Kingdom. Including those who didn't vote for him.

Just like the population of the UK, Parliament is split over brexit.

Mr Johnson is clearly representing himself, his own personal views and his own personal wants.

Otherwise, he would be listening to the divided country and the divided Parliament.

He is a dictator, he has the keys to the doors and he is in charge. He will get HIS way.

Scary.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

He is doing wht the people voted for by majority.Most of parliament is bent on destroying democracy.i feel that they have become traitors and while I was against Johnson when he first came to power I am 100% behind him now.

The anti democratic dictators have fought dirty for three years so Boris is sinking to there level to destroy them and I hope he does.

No good fighting an army full of hate and total selfinesh using heavy artillery with feathers as May did.

I hope Johnson get us out then destroys the left.

If we leave without a deal which we will in the short term it is a disaster but the nasty selfish remainers will have caused it.They discust me at this stage

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The genie is out the bottle.

Brexit is toxic.

Basically.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bertrand Russell was right when he said.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bertrand Russell was right when he said.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

"

Well put, remainiacs are so certain of themselves. What a bunch of fools and fanatics they are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bertrand Russell was right when he said.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

Well put, remainiacs are so certain of themselves. What a bunch of fools and fanatics they are "

There’s only one cult and it’s the cult of Brexit and it’s full of extremists and far right nationalists..

Know thyself.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"The genie is out the bottle.

Brexit is toxic.

Basically.

"

Maybe but we are where we are no going back

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Bertrand Russell was right when he said.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

Well put, remainiacs are so certain of themselves. What a bunch of fools and fanatics they are

There’s only one cult and it’s the cult of Brexit and it’s full of extremists and far right nationalists..

Know thyself."

More lies

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing"

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"He is doing wht the people voted for by majority.Most of parliament is bent on destroying democracy.i feel that they have become traitors and while I was against Johnson when he first came to power I am 100% behind him now.

The anti democratic dictators have fought dirty for three years so Boris is sinking to there level to destroy them and I hope he does.

No good fighting an army full of hate and total selfinesh using heavy artillery with feathers as May did.

I hope Johnson get us out then destroys the left.

If we leave without a deal which we will in the short term it is a disaster but the nasty selfish remainers will have caused it.They discust me at this stage"

It's funny how you're always throwing around the traitor word at remainers, because when when it comes down to it you are one. You have voluntarily chosen to damage this country and make it worse off. People in glass houses and all that...

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic"

No. Just sad Brexiteers who can't see what's best for them.

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Bertrand Russell was right when he said.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

Well put, remainiacs are so certain of themselves. What a bunch of fools and fanatics they are "

It's easy for remainers to be certain because we're provably in the right.

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"The genie is out the bottle.

Brexit is toxic.

Basically.

Maybe but we are where we are no going back"

Yes we are. Revoke. Simple.

All the problems go away and we can go back to being a leading power in Europe with all the prosperity that brings.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"The genie is out the bottle.

Brexit is toxic.

Basically.

Maybe but we are where we are no going back

Yes we are. Revoke. Simple.

All the problems go away and we can go back to being a leading power in Europe with all the prosperity that brings."

Absolutely! We wanna be rich and powerful! If you want to milk cows you've got to have access to the dairy. Let's face it as a people us brits have "evolved" higher than unskilled manual work. The Polish for example are a very hard working bunch! If you want your building or plumbing done ffs! Get a polish worker! Let's concentrate on winding back the working hours, and enjoy life! Milk the cows! Remain in the dairy..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"The genie is out the bottle.

Brexit is toxic.

Basically.

Maybe but we are where we are no going back"

We agree.

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By *avagliamMan
over a year ago

London


"The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic

No. Just sad Brexiteers who can't see what's best for them."

A brexiteer not able to see?... Haven't you noticed their average age? No wonder they're not able to see; 15 more years and 80% of them will have left this dimension.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"I hope Johnson get us out then destroys the left.

If we leave without a deal which we will in the short term it is a disaster but the nasty selfish remainers will have caused it.They discust me at this stage"

Nobody who voted Remain will have caused Brexit to happen, in any form. It's utter nonsense to suggest it.

As for destroying the left; quite a lot of us don't fancy living in a right-wing, authoritarian, one-party, no opposition permitted state. It would be like living in Russia.

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By *avagliamMan
over a year ago

London


"I hope Johnson get us out then destroys the left.

If we leave without a deal which we will in the short term it is a disaster but the nasty selfish remainers will have caused it.They discust me at this stage

Nobody who voted Remain will have caused Brexit to happen, in any form. It's utter nonsense to suggest it.

As for destroying the left; quite a lot of us don't fancy living in a right-wing, authoritarian, one-party, no opposition permitted state. It would be like living in Russia."

...where btw the LGBT community is harassed to the point that they're escaping to the surrounding European countries.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!"

Fashist

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I hope Johnson get us out then destroys the left.

If we leave without a deal which we will in the short term it is a disaster but the nasty selfish remainers will have caused it.They discust me at this stage

Nobody who voted Remain will have caused Brexit to happen, in any form. It's utter nonsense to suggest it.

As for destroying the left; quite a lot of us don't fancy living in a right-wing, authoritarian, one-party, no opposition permitted state. It would be like living in Russia."

Yes voting for Corbyn would be like that.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Ask yourself these questions..

Do you want to pick fruit?

Do you want to work on a building site?

Do you want to drive a taxi?

Do you to clean old people?

Do you want to clean the streets?

Do you want to earn no money, but work loads of hours in a hospital?

If you answer "no" then you need to be a remainer.

Simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!"

Says who? Long term it is my opinion we will flourish more out of the EU and my children will reap the benefit. Fortunately I'm not a short sighted selfish idiot, I put others before myself. If I'm wrong I have suffered, not my children, as I am sure they will have the opportunity to vote on rejoining at some point if it is warranted. Everyone's a winner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bertrand Russell was right when he said.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

Well put, remainiacs are so certain of themselves. What a bunch of fools and fanatics they are

It's easy for remainers to be certain because we're provably in the right."

My point is made

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!Fashist"

It's spelt facist. And that's you as a nationalist. I'm a liberal centrist.

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!

Says who? Long term it is my opinion we will flourish more out of the EU and my children will reap the benefit. Fortunately I'm not a short sighted selfish idiot, I put others before myself. If I'm wrong I have suffered, not my children, as I am sure they will have the opportunity to vote on rejoining at some point if it is warranted. Everyone's a winner "

Says who??? Really? Have you not read the 5/10/15 year forecast by the big four financial services companies, the treasury, the ECB and the IoD?

They are professional experts who use modelling from 100 years of actual recorded performance. But let me guess, you don't believe them because your 'belief' knows better

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By *teveuk77Man
over a year ago

uk


"I hope Johnson get us out then destroys the left.

If we leave without a deal which we will in the short term it is a disaster but the nasty selfish remainers will have caused it.They discust me at this stage

Nobody who voted Remain will have caused Brexit to happen, in any form. It's utter nonsense to suggest it.

As for destroying the left; quite a lot of us don't fancy living in a right-wing, authoritarian, one-party, no opposition permitted state. It would be like living in Russia.Yes voting for Corbyn would be like that."

You can't be taken seriously when you come out with nonsense like that.

Vote in Corbyn, he does a bad job, he gets booted out next GE.

If Brexit causes the breakup of the UK, without Scottish Labour/SNP MPs you may very well find yourself in this position with a Tory government for a long long time. Perfect for an US takeover of the NHS and anything else the Tories would sell off to line their own pockets.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!

Says who? Long term it is my opinion we will flourish more out of the EU and my children will reap the benefit. Fortunately I'm not a short sighted selfish idiot, I put others before myself. If I'm wrong I have suffered, not my children, as I am sure they will have the opportunity to vote on rejoining at some point if it is warranted. Everyone's a winner

Says who??? Really? Have you not read the 5/10/15 year forecast by the big four financial services companies, the treasury, the ECB and the IoD?

They are professional experts who use modelling from 100 years of actual recorded performance. But let me guess, you don't believe them because your 'belief' knows better "

"Professional experts" are you 12?! Lmao!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"Bertrand Russell was right when he said.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

"

Says the man who is absolutely certain of himself when he says remain is the best option, and has not doubted that for one second.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The genie is out the bottle.

Brexit is toxic.

Basically.

The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic"

Depending on which side of the fence you're on you're both right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ask yourself these questions..

Do you want to pick fruit?

Do you want to work on a building site?

Do you want to drive a taxi?

Do you to clean old people?

Do you want to clean the streets?

Do you want to earn no money, but work loads of hours in a hospital?

If you answer "no" then you need to be a remainer.

Simple. "

I’m working on a building site this morning you lemon and I’m a remainer.

You do talk some crap...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's crazy to demand something at any cost. If the cost of Brexit was to endure Johnson's tenure as PM for much longer, it would be too high a price to pay. But it is of course far higher than that. Few here would agree to buy something, under any terms and conditions and at any price personally, so it's ridiculous to expect the countries in the UK o do so - especially when some voted against it.

Parliamentary sovereignty was an essential part of Brexit ideology but they dislike it now. Parliament should fully scrutinise what is put before it, as representatives of the people. Some despot PM and extremists in the conservatives should be prevented from wrecking lives far their own gain.

Public opinion is for remain in 2019, having recovered from the lies and propaganda, whilst realising what these deals and leaving truly mean.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!

Says who? Long term it is my opinion we will flourish more out of the EU and my children will reap the benefit. Fortunately I'm not a short sighted selfish idiot, I put others before myself. If I'm wrong I have suffered, not my children, as I am sure they will have the opportunity to vote on rejoining at some point if it is warranted. Everyone's a winner "

Opinions, like arseholes, something we all have. When not based on any evidence, it's foolish to diverge from reality into trite fantasy land that imposes high risk levels. And especially when 2019 has more of the population wanting to remain than follow a failed ideology of leaving at any cost.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Ask yourself these questions..

Do you want to pick fruit?

Do you want to work on a building site?

Do you want to drive a taxi?

Do you to clean old people?

Do you want to clean the streets?

Do you want to earn no money, but work loads of hours in a hospital?

If you answer "no" then you need to be a remainer.

Simple.

I’m working on a building site this morning you lemon and I’m a remainer.

You do talk some crap... "

It's not my fault that you should have tried harder at school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A few years back an elderly male relative bought an extremely expensive vacuum cleaner after being given the good cop bad cop treatment by a couple of travelling salesmen. The machine was very plasticky and slathered in chrome insignia but was actually pretty hopeless at its job and ended up being pushed to the back of the garage as a source of shame. Strikes me that Brexit is very similar - a shit product pushed by dodgy geezers to a bunch of people who feel a bit useless and lacking in influence who latch on to it because it makes them feel needed and self important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!

Says who? Long term it is my opinion we will flourish more out of the EU and my children will reap the benefit. Fortunately I'm not a short sighted selfish idiot, I put others before myself. If I'm wrong I have suffered, not my children, as I am sure they will have the opportunity to vote on rejoining at some point if it is warranted. Everyone's a winner

Says who??? Really? Have you not read the 5/10/15 year forecast by the big four financial services companies, the treasury, the ECB and the IoD?

They are professional experts who use modelling from 100 years of actual recorded performance. But let me guess, you don't believe them because your 'belief' knows better "

I have my opinion, over 17m people share it, under 17m share your opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!

Says who? Long term it is my opinion we will flourish more out of the EU and my children will reap the benefit. Fortunately I'm not a short sighted selfish idiot, I put others before myself. If I'm wrong I have suffered, not my children, as I am sure they will have the opportunity to vote on rejoining at some point if it is warranted. Everyone's a winner

Opinions, like arseholes, something we all have. When not based on any evidence, it's foolish to diverge from reality into trite fantasy land that imposes high risk levels. And especially when 2019 has more of the population wanting to remain than follow a failed ideology of leaving at any cost."

All future scenarios are fantasy and therefore based on opinion. Your fantasy is to continue being the EU's bitch, mine isn't.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

The genie is out the bottle.

Brexit is toxic.

Basically.

The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic

Depending on which side of the fence you're on you're both right "

The issue is toxic. The evidence is everywhere.

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By *teveuk77Man
over a year ago

uk


"Just like remainers represent 48 % of the people that voted ...yet still the remoaners can't accept the result same thing

Not going to accept something monumentally stupid just because some clueless numpties shouted for it. The national good comes before Nationalism every time. And the national good by any measurable economic, political, social or moral standards are to Remain!

Says who? Long term it is my opinion we will flourish more out of the EU and my children will reap the benefit. Fortunately I'm not a short sighted selfish idiot, I put others before myself. If I'm wrong I have suffered, not my children, as I am sure they will have the opportunity to vote on rejoining at some point if it is warranted. Everyone's a winner

Says who??? Really? Have you not read the 5/10/15 year forecast by the big four financial services companies, the treasury, the ECB and the IoD?

They are professional experts who use modelling from 100 years of actual recorded performance. But let me guess, you don't believe them because your 'belief' knows better

I have my opinion, over 17m people share it, under 17m share your opinion "

So over 17m people have opinions that are more believable than the experts?

That's great, you've got over 17m people to discuss financial and health matters with to help you make the right decisions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mr Johnson has spoken to fellow leaders and Mr Tusk, telling them the letter "is Parliament's letter, not my letter".

And that is the root of many problems in todays' society.

Mr Johnson is appointed to serve the whole United Kingdom. Including those who didn't vote for him.

Just like the population of the UK, Parliament is split over brexit.

Mr Johnson is clearly representing himself, his own personal views and his own personal wants.

Otherwise, he would be listening to the divided country and the divided Parliament.

He is a dictator, he has the keys to the doors and he is in charge. He will get HIS way.

Scary."

.

This notion that all of a sudden we've become divided is a nonsense, we've always been divided, half the country votes left and half votes right, we were divided over Catholicism, wars, women's voting rights, joining the EU and leaving the EU.

This seems to be the first time though that we've quite openly wanted to subvert democracy, remainiacs aren't even hiding it anymore, there simply refusing to consent to losing.

Worrying times indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic"

Still rattled , do you agree with Boris or Farage on how we leave the EU

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

This notion that all of a sudden we've become divided is a nonsense, we've always been divided, half the country votes left and half votes right, we were divided over Catholicism, wars, women's voting rights, joining the EU and leaving the EU.

"

Europhobia really was a disease confined to the Conservative Party for decades.

Successive leaders tried to manage it.

When the Europhobes began to migrate from the Conservatives to UKIP, Cameron pressed the panic button.

The effect was to infect the entire country with a disease that, until that point, had been confined to the Conservative Party.

It has now morphed into English nationalism.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic

Still rattled , do you agree with Boris or Farage on how we leave the EU"

The thread isn't about whether you agree with Farage or Johnson. You've started one yourself for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic

Still rattled , do you agree with Boris or Farage on how we leave the EU

The thread isn't about whether you agree with Farage or Johnson. You've started one yourself for that."

My post wasn’t directed at you. Keep up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

This notion that all of a sudden we've become divided is a nonsense, we've always been divided, half the country votes left and half votes right, we were divided over Catholicism, wars, women's voting rights, joining the EU and leaving the EU.

Europhobia really was a disease confined to the Conservative Party for decades.

Successive leaders tried to manage it.

When the Europhobes began to migrate from the Conservatives to UKIP, Cameron pressed the panic button.

The effect was to infect the entire country with a disease that, until that point, had been confined to the Conservative Party.

It has now morphed into English nationalism.

"

.

That's not quite true, in the 60s,70s and 80s large parts of the labour party,sdp,SNP, were all as you'd say europhobic, in fact was mostly the Tories who pushed for membership and closer economic ties during all that time, Thatcher and major signed up to all the big constitutional changing treaties.

Popularist nationalism is not the preserve of the right, there's dozens of them on the left wing all over Europe, Macron is a centre ground popularist.

The rise of the right has primarily come with the surge in Muslim immigration coupled with all the Islamic terrorism.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Mr Johnson has spoken to fellow leaders and Mr Tusk, telling them the letter "is Parliament's letter, not my letter".

And that is the root of many problems in todays' society.

Mr Johnson is appointed to serve the whole United Kingdom. Including those who didn't vote for him.

Just like the population of the UK, Parliament is split over brexit.

Mr Johnson is clearly representing himself, his own personal views and his own personal wants.

Otherwise, he would be listening to the divided country and the divided Parliament.

He is a dictator, he has the keys to the doors and he is in charge. He will get HIS way.

Scary."

You mean like all those other Mp's who are going against their own electorate's wishes. Those people who voted for leave yet their representatives in parliament fight for remain?

Those mp's in question are using their own personal views.

You can't have it both ways

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Mr Johnson has spoken to fellow leaders and Mr Tusk, telling them the letter "is Parliament's letter, not my letter".

And that is the root of many problems in todays' society.

Mr Johnson is appointed to serve the whole United Kingdom. Including those who didn't vote for him.

Just like the population of the UK, Parliament is split over brexit.

Mr Johnson is clearly representing himself, his own personal views and his own personal wants.

Otherwise, he would be listening to the divided country and the divided Parliament.

He is a dictator, he has the keys to the doors and he is in charge. He will get HIS way.

Scary..

This notion that all of a sudden we've become divided is a nonsense, we've always been divided, half the country votes left and half votes right, we were divided over Catholicism, wars, women's voting rights, joining the EU and leaving the EU.

This seems to be the first time though that we've quite openly wanted to subvert democracy, remainiacs aren't even hiding it anymore, there simply refusing to consent to losing.

Worrying times indeed."

We're not even a country.

Let me say that again.

We are not even a country.

We are 4 countries which form the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Oh and of course, the Channel Islands, Isle of Man, Gibraltar and on a good day, any obscure member of The Commonwealth.

United Kingdom? Hahaha - United? Where is the King?

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"You mean like all those other Mp's who are going against their own electorate's wishes. Those people who voted for leave yet their representatives in parliament fight for remain?

Those mp's in question are using their own personal views.

You can't have it both ways"

It's the MPs job to act in the best interests of the country, their constituents and their party. That's what they swear to. They are not delegates. And seeing as remain is far and away in the national interest, parliament was always going to stop/slow/resist Brexit.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"You mean like all those other Mp's who are going against their own electorate's wishes. Those people who voted for leave yet their representatives in parliament fight for remain?

Those mp's in question are using their own personal views.

You can't have it both ways

It's the MPs job to act in the best interests of the country, their constituents and their party. That's what they swear to. They are not delegates. And seeing as remain is far and away in the national interest, parliament was always going to stop/slow/resist Brexit."

we ain't gonna get rich leaving!!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic

No. Just sad Brexiteers who can't see what's best for them.

A brexiteer not able to see?... Haven't you noticed their average age? No wonder they're not able to see; 15 more years and 80% of them will have left this dimension. "

You will age one day and you will be wiser

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You mean like all those other Mp's who are going against their own electorate's wishes. Those people who voted for leave yet their representatives in parliament fight for remain?

Those mp's in question are using their own personal views.

You can't have it both ways

It's the MPs job to act in the best interests of the country, their constituents and their party. That's what they swear to. They are not delegates. And seeing as remain is far and away in the national interest, parliament was always going to stop/slow/resist Brexit.

we ain't gonna get rich leaving!! "

No, but Boris will, and Dominic. Don't forget Dominic. Poor Dominic.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"

This notion that all of a sudden we've become divided is a nonsense, we've always been divided, half the country votes left and half votes right, we were divided over Catholicism, wars, women's voting rights, joining the EU and leaving the EU.

Europhobia really was a disease confined to the Conservative Party for decades.

Successive leaders tried to manage it.

When the Europhobes began to migrate from the Conservatives to UKIP, Cameron pressed the panic button.

The effect was to infect the entire country with a disease that, until that point, had been confined to the Conservative Party.

It has now morphed into English nationalism.

"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,we do not feel European most of us,that is true even of some remainers.

Remainers are not all nasty selfish vindictive and ignorant but some our and they are here.

I have friends who are remainers and that's ok no problem.The trouble makers and shouters are a small percent of remainers.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,"

Yes, we are moving into an era of polarisation and extremism.

It's what populism does.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

It's the MPs job to act in the best interests of the country, their constituents and their party. That's what they swear to. They are not delegates. And seeing as remain is far and away in the national interest, parliament was always going to stop/slow/resist Brexit."

We elect MPs to make decisions.

Go away and leave us alone for 5 years, basically.

So we expect them to make difficult decisions based on the evidence.

The evidence presented to committee in Parliament is the pinnacle of the evidence tree.

And then we ask them to make decisions, based on what they think is best for their constituents.

Some will think what is best for their own re-election.

Most will think that would be a dereliction of their duty.

They cannot bring themselves to vote for something that all the evidence says will make their constituents poorer.

That is conscience.

Don't like it?

Vote for someone else.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,

Yes, we are moving into an era of polarisation and extremism.

It's what populism does.

"

I hope and believe you are wrong

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,

Yes, we are moving into an era of polarisation and extremism.

It's what populism does.

I hope and believe you are wrong"

Take one look at the country and ask yourself what Brexit is doing to it.

It is corrosive.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,

Yes, we are moving into an era of polarisation and extremism.

It's what populism does.

I hope and believe you are wrong

Take one look at the country and ask yourself what Brexit is doing to it.

It is corrosive.

"

Only because its not been carried out.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,

Yes, we are moving into an era of polarisation and extremism.

It's what populism does.

"

After so much rampant liberalism, its bound to happen.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures


"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,

Yes, we are moving into an era of polarisation and extremism.

It's what populism does.

After so much rampant liberalism, its bound to happen. "

the way you say that it's almost like you think that things like liberty, tolerance, equality before the law, and government by consent are bad things.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,

Yes, we are moving into an era of polarisation and extremism.

It's what populism does.

I hope and believe you are wrong

Take one look at the country and ask yourself what Brexit is doing to it.

It is corrosive.

"

Your corroding it not brexit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The genie is out the bottle.

Brexit is toxic.

Basically.

The genie is out of the bottle remain is toxic

Depending on which side of the fence you're on you're both right

The issue is toxic. The evidence is everywhere.

Definitely and it wouldn't surprise me if they are murders caused by it but we are were we are

"

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"

Rubbish the country has been devided on this issue,

Yes, we are moving into an era of polarisation and extremism.

It's what populism does.

After so much rampant liberalism, its bound to happen. "

True fact. How's it go....'Every action has an equal and opposite reaction'? It's the zeitgeist.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Plato thought political regimes followed a predictable evolutionary course, from oligarchy to democracy to tyranny. Oligarchies give way to democracies when the elites fail, when they become spoiled, lazy, pigate, and when they develop interests apart from those they rule.

Democracies give way to tyrannies when mob passion overwhelms political wisdom and a populist autocrat seizes the masses. But the tyrant is not quite a tyrant at first. On the contrary, in a democracy the would-be tyrant offers himself as the people’s champion. He’s the ultimate simplifier, the one man who can make everything whole again.

"For the real difference between democracy and oligarchy is poverty and wealth. Wherever men rule by reason of their wealth, whether they be few or many, that is an oligarchy, and where the poor rule, that is a democracy."

- Aristotle

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"One principle of liberty is for all to rule and be ruled in turn.

"The majority must be supreme, and that whatever the majority approve must be the end and the just. Every citizen, it is said, must have equality."

- Aristotle

All hail Brexit!

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