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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? " It's an ID card. It's actually quite a fundamental British right to not have to prove your identity to the state. The state has to demonstrate that you are not who you say that you are. It's quite a big shift. All forms of identification also cost money. This excludes some people. If it is provided free it will still exclude people unless it is provided automatically. This ID should then not become a requirement for anything else, nor should it tie the vote to the individual in any way. Otherwise sure, what problem could there possibly be? The real question is why is this being suggested? What is the actual incidence of electoral fraud? | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work." Nothing, except the prospect of imprisonment. | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work. Nothing, except the prospect of imprisonment. lol as if they would bother chasing that up ya can get robbed in the street these days and it can take the old bill 4 or 5 days to come take a statement " | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work." I thought it was an offence not to be on the electoral register .?? It’s carries a fine I believe. | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work. I thought it was an offence not to be on the electoral register .?? It’s carries a fine I believe." It says you might get a fine this year is the first time I've registered for a vote I'm nearly 49 and I've never been chased and only reason now is so I can vote to get this bleeding brexit pushed through | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work. I thought it was an offence not to be on the electoral register .?? It’s carries a fine I believe.It says you might get a fine this year is the first time I've registered for a vote I'm nearly 49 and I've never been chased and only reason now is so I can vote to get this bleeding brexit pushed through" Google says. Under the current system, failure to respond to a household canvass or not provide information to an Electoral Registration Officer (ERO) is a criminal offence punishable by a £1000 fine and which leaves you with a criminal record. | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work. I thought it was an offence not to be on the electoral register .?? It’s carries a fine I believe." nope i nit been registerd for over 20 yrs last time i had paperwork through to fill out i just binned it never heard from them since.know 3 or 4 other peeps who have never been registerd either. you cant be made to register if you dont want to easy really you just dont send the forms back | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work. I thought it was an offence not to be on the electoral register .?? It’s carries a fine I believe. nope i nit been registerd for over 20 yrs last time i had paperwork through to fill out i just binned it never heard from them since.know 3 or 4 other peeps who have never been registerd either. you cant be made to register if you dont want to easy really you just dont send the forms back" Winning at life.....I guess?  | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work. I thought it was an offence not to be on the electoral register .?? It’s carries a fine I believe. nope i nit been registerd for over 20 yrs last time i had paperwork through to fill out i just binned it never heard from them since.know 3 or 4 other peeps who have never been registerd either. you cant be made to register if you dont want to easy really you just dont send the forms back Winning at life.....I guess? "winning at life??? whats that about then? | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? " No you should have to show ID and no online voting as very open more open to fraud | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? No you should have to show ID and no online voting as very open more open to fraud" interesting arguement.... out of interest do you know how many cases of voter fraud were taken to court after the 2017 General Election? the answer...... 8!!! so lets not believe that its a super issue that needs legistlation to sort out.... what this does is disproportionately effect the poorest people, and those who are of ethnic minorities.... the republicans tried this is the states because it would mainly effect democratic voters... the conservatives want to do it here because it would mainly effect labour voters..... | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? No you should have to show ID and no online voting as very open more open to fraud interesting arguement.... out of interest do you know how many cases of voter fraud were taken to court after the 2017 General Election? the answer...... 8!!! so lets not believe that its a super issue that needs legistlation to sort out.... what this does is disproportionately effect the poorest people, and those who are of ethnic minorities.... the republicans tried this is the states because it would mainly effect democratic voters... the conservatives want to do it here because it would mainly effect labour voters..... " I can see the point of it affecting the poorest obviously depending on ID costs but c'mon, ethnic minorities? I'm afraid I need spoon feeding the logic behind that one. | |||
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"Daivid Lammy tweets.. There was just one conviction for voter impersonation at the last election. 3.5 million citizens do not have a photo ID. Make no mistake. This is a blatant attempt to rig the system and disempower poor and marginalised groups." That's the main point, if there isn't a problem then nothing to fix. | |||
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"He who shouts the loudest usually has the most to hide." What’s Ed milliband and David lammy got to hide .Theyve both called it out...as voter suppression. Do you even vote in this country??  | |||
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"if i voted i wouldnt have a problem showing i.d. as it stands at the momment if i was registerd to vote there is nothing to stop someone else using my vote before i got to a polling station in the evening after i have finished work. I thought it was an offence not to be on the electoral register .?? It’s carries a fine I believe.It says you might get a fine this year is the first time I've registered for a vote I'm nearly 49 and I've never been chased and only reason now is so I can vote to get this bleeding brexit pushed through" So you registered to vote to get Brexit pushed through, that you never actually bothered to vote for in the first place? | |||
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"He who shouts the loudest usually has the most to hide. What’s Ed milliband and David lammy got to hide .Theyve both called it out...as voter suppression. Do you even vote in this country?? "Ah sorry I forgot. As an expat I'm no longer allowed an opinion in the brave new world of the fascist left. Sorry to have bothered you. Now get on with your real vocation of de-industrialising the west and turning it into your wonderfully (not so) equal socialist hell hole. I actually wonder if you are one of the shakers and movers or (in Lenins words) just one of the useful idiots. | |||
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"If there is no evidence of voter fraud.This can only be seen as voter suppression. " bingo....... they are trying to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist but is likely to deter people from voting.... we should be encouraging people to vote... not try and put obsticles in peoples way | |||
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"He who shouts the loudest usually has the most to hide. What’s Ed milliband and David lammy got to hide .Theyve both called it out...as voter suppression. Do you even vote in this country??
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As an expat I'm no longer allowed an opinion in the brave new world of the fascist left.
Sorry to have bothered you. Now get on with your real vocation of de-industrialising the west and turning it into your wonderfully (not so) equal socialist hell hole.
I actually wonder if you are one of the shakers and movers or (in Lenins words) just one of the useful idiots."When you’ve got the time tell me what David lammy and Ed milliband have to hide ??? By calling this voter suppression Your statement fella not mine. | |||
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"If there is no evidence of voter fraud.This can only be seen as voter suppression. bingo....... they are trying to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist but is likely to deter people from voting.... we should be encouraging people to vote... not try and put obsticles in peoples way" How come only we can see this .?? Everyone complainis about low voter turn out but the right wingers want to put obstacles in the way. Maybe those who favour this want to hide the fact they don’t want working class people voting... Just sayin | |||
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"The number of fraudulent votes in a single instance is usually on quite a small scale. When I worked elections 30 years ago we would always see people turning up with handfuls of proxy votes and one party in particular was very good at getting a staff member onside in a nursing home or two. No prizes for guessing which party. In a GE the numbers were usually insignificant but I know of quite a few local election results where a handful of votes was all you needed. We even complained a couple of times but the culprits had their arses well and truly covered. From what I read and some anecdotal evidence it seems that since the rules on postal voting were relaxed this kind of practice has become much more widespread. I think ID and a clampdown on the number of proxy votes is well overdue. Also it seems that the ones who are complaining the loudest seem to be the same ones who may have the most to lose. Funny old world. " Love that anecdotal evidence which as we all know. in common English parlance is referred to as gossip, rumour, innuendo, lies....cant see that standing up in a court of law old son  | |||
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"If there is no evidence of voter fraud.This can only be seen as voter suppression. bingo....... they are trying to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist but is likely to deter people from voting.... we should be encouraging people to vote... not try and put obsticles in peoples way How come only we can see this .?? Everyone complainis about low voter turn out but the right wingers want to put obstacles in the way. Maybe those who favour this want to hide the fact they don’t want working class people voting... Just sayin "Probably the same people who think the working class shouldn't have been allowed to vote in the referendum. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? No you should have to show ID and no online voting as very open more open to fraud interesting arguement.... out of interest do you know how many cases of voter fraud were taken to court after the 2017 General Election? the answer...... 8!!! so lets not believe that its a super issue that needs legistlation to sort out.... what this does is disproportionately effect the poorest people, and those who are of ethnic minorities.... the republicans tried this is the states because it would mainly effect democratic voters... the conservatives want to do it here because it would mainly effect labour voters..... " Lol guessed your answer before reading it.Suely Labour voters should have ID anyway,your reasoning is poor as it the biased left | |||
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"If there is no evidence of voter fraud.This can only be seen as voter suppression. bingo....... they are trying to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist but is likely to deter people from voting.... we should be encouraging people to vote... not try and put obsticles in peoples way How come only we can see this .?? Everyone complainis about low voter turn out but the right wingers want to put obstacles in the way. Maybe those who favour this want to hide the fact they don’t want working class people voting... Just sayin
Probably the same people who think the working class shouldn't have been allowed to vote in the referendum."Which is literally nobody. Don't make things up. | |||
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"Id be ok showing some form of id, driving licence, bank statement, utility bill etc. but a bespoke id card would be going too far " Agree with this. People on here have assumed we would need when it hasn't even been put forward as a bill. Laughable really. | |||
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"Id be ok showing some form of id, driving licence, bank statement, utility bill etc. but a bespoke id card would be going too far Agree with this. People on here have assumed we would need when it hasn't even been put forward as a bill. Laughable really." * need photo ID  | |||
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"Agree with this. People on here have assumed we would need when it hasn't even been put forward as a bill. Laughable really." The point is that regardless of the type of photo id required there will be a requirement to buy it, how do you think those who need to use food and clothing banks to feed their families are going to come up with the funds to buy an acceptable form of ID to vote? | |||
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"Lol guessed your answer before reading it.Suely Labour voters should have ID anyway,your reasoning is poor as it the biased left" That sounds about right from you, not everyone should have ID to vote, just those who oppose you, an idea straight out of the fascist handbook. | |||
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"If there is no evidence of voter fraud.This can only be seen as voter suppression. bingo....... they are trying to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist but is likely to deter people from voting.... we should be encouraging people to vote... not try and put obsticles in peoples way How come only we can see this .?? Everyone complainis about low voter turn out but the right wingers want to put obstacles in the way. Maybe those who favour this want to hide the fact they don’t want working class people voting... Just sayin
Probably the same people who think the working class shouldn't have been allowed to vote in the referendum.
Which is literally nobody. Don't make things up. "Bullshit!  Basically any "liberal" who thinks the working class "didn't really understand" what they were voting for. You see it on this forum all the time. | |||
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"Agree with this. People on here have assumed we would need when it hasn't even been put forward as a bill. Laughable really. The point is that regardless of the type of photo id required there will be a requirement to buy it, how do you think those who need to use food and clothing banks to feed their families are going to come up with the funds to buy an acceptable form of ID to vote?" Photo ID has been needed in Northern Ireland elections for some time now. If you haven't got one of the other 6 necessary documents needed to vote, then you can apply for a Voter ID card. This is issued free of charge. | |||
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"I would hazard a guess that 'most' elegible to vote have some form of identification. Passport, driving licence, work place ID cards. If such a thing would happen, then I am sure those that do not have ID will be assisted to gain one. The postal system of voting and proxy voting could be replaced by another system using codes, similar to banking transfer systems. As we are further heading in the technology direction with the use of smart phones,computers. If banking can be done with OTP codes then I am sure that a voting system could be devised. Passports now have Biometric data, so why can't voting have a biometric system. After all we live in a progressive world as I am told constantly. The ID thing always raises alarm, as its the folk that have something to hide that shout the loudest against it. We are already tracked, stamped and monitored to death, so simple ID for all isn't such a big issue. It's only an idea and it hasn't happened yet so why the big hoo-ha! " You kinda miss the point here. It’s not that these things are not, on the whole, possible to get. Just that the friction/cost/time of getting one mess that it affects society disproportionately. Latest stats I saw show that those without a drivers license, for example, are significantly more likely to vote labour than those with. It is clear this is being brought in as a means of gerrymandering the Tory vote as it is out of proportion to the level of any actual voting fraud (virtually none). -Matt | |||
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" The ID thing always raises alarm, as its the folk that have something to hide that shout the loudest against it. " So anyone who does not possess photo-ID has something to hide? What a ridiculously prejudicial thing to say. If you do not possess a passport, and do not have a licence to drive a car - basically, people who do travel very far - you are unlikely to have photo ID. That's something like 3-4 million people. There is no requirement in the UK for any sort of national identity card. | |||
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" The ID thing always raises alarm, as its the folk that have something to hide that shout the loudest against it. So anyone who does not possess photo-ID has something to hide? What a ridiculously prejudicial thing to say. If you do not possess a passport, and do not have a licence to drive a car - basically, people who do travel very far - you are unlikely to have photo ID. That's something like 3-4 million people. There is no requirement in the UK for any sort of national identity card. " Maybe it's time we had one then  | |||
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"It's estimated that 3.5 million people of voting age do not have photo ID. The main point is that a free Voter card, as used in NI, would be readily available. It's worth noting that some form of photo ID is required for a lot of things in modern life now. " The point is 3.5 million don’t have ID ,8 people were accused of voter fraud at the last GE 1 person was convicted. If you can’t see this as disproportionate then you have an agenda to suppress voter turn out .. 1 crime versus potentialy stopping millions voting... | |||
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"It's estimated that 3.5 million people of voting age do not have photo ID. The main point is that a free Voter card, as used in NI, would be readily available. It's worth noting that some form of photo ID is required for a lot of things in modern life now. The point is 3.5 million don’t have ID ,8 people were accused of voter fraud at the last GE 1 person was convicted. If you can’t see this as disproportionate then you have an agenda to suppress voter turn out .. 1 crime versus potentialy stopping millions voting... " Maybe it's really hard to prove. | |||
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"It's estimated that 3.5 million people of voting age do not have photo ID. The main point is that a free Voter card, as used in NI, would be readily available. It's worth noting that some form of photo ID is required for a lot of things in modern life now. The point is 3.5 million don’t have ID ,8 people were accused of voter fraud at the last GE 1 person was convicted. If you can’t see this as disproportionate then you have an agenda to suppress voter turn out .. 1 crime versus potentialy stopping millions voting... Maybe it's really hard to prove. " And it's stupid how easy it is to use someone else's vote anyway. | |||
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"It's estimated that 3.5 million people of voting age do not have photo ID. The main point is that a free Voter card, as used in NI, would be readily available. It's worth noting that some form of photo ID is required for a lot of things in modern life now. The point is 3.5 million don’t have ID ,8 people were accused of voter fraud at the last GE 1 person was convicted. " This is also the argument against firearm registration in the U.S. by the way. Just because a few people go postal, why should law abiding gun owners register their weapons? | |||
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"If there is no evidence of voter fraud.This can only be seen as voter suppression. bingo....... they are trying to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist but is likely to deter people from voting.... we should be encouraging people to vote... not try and put obsticles in peoples way" agree with you on that Fabio but the biggest turn out was for the referendum in 2016 and yet ppl like you don’t even respect the result so what is the point eh ? or does this only count on a GE lol | |||
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"It's estimated that 3.5 million people of voting age do not have photo ID. The main point is that a free Voter card, as used in NI, would be readily available. It's worth noting that some form of photo ID is required for a lot of things in modern life now. The point is 3.5 million don’t have ID ,8 people were accused of voter fraud at the last GE 1 person was convicted. If you can’t see this as disproportionate then you have an agenda to suppress voter turn out .. 1 crime versus potentialy stopping millions voting... Maybe it's really hard to prove. " I bet you’ve got a gut feeling it’s much worse ..but offer nothing as evidence So we have no evidence of voter fraud other than one individual in an election where 32 million voted . So it’s 32 million to 1 .. Yet it’s a huge problem and we should disenfranchise potentially millions of voters. Pathetic. | |||
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"We all have NI numbers and CHI (nhs registration numbers from birth). How hard is it then to prove your identity? Most of us have driving licences, passports, travel passes for over 60’s all issued by the government. We already have several forms of ID that can be used. " When I got my NI number it came on a postcard not a plastic 'credit card'. "The main point is that a free Voter card, as used in NI, would be readily available. It's worth noting that some form of photo ID is required for a lot of things in modern life now. The point is 3.5 million don’t have ID ,8 people were accused of voter fraud at the last GE 1 person was convicted. This is also the argument against firearm registration in the U.S. by the way. Just because a few people go postal, why should law abiding gun owners register their weapons?" Just because free voter ID may be available in NI (because of NI's unique circumstances in the UK) does not mean it will be free in the rest of the UK. In fact austerity sort of guarantees that if introduced it will have to be 'bought' by those that require one. It is also worth noting that there is no legal requirement to produce ID to open a bank account or receive mail. As for your voter ID/registration of firearms argument. Let me point out you can't murder dozens of children in a school or scores of concert goers in a matter of seconds with a vote! So please, less false equivalency. | |||
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"So my big question about all of this is that at the moment most polling stations are run by volunteers and generally are located in church halls and the like which actually makes the whole business a bit loose but ultimately cheap to run. I imagine what the tories would like to do is bring in US style voting equipment (at vast expense ) to line the pockets of their business buddies along with charging for these photo ID which will then require an expensive and huge database to administer it. This is a stealth tax at least and a money making opportunity for outsourcing and a backdoor to ID cards for all. Serious criminals will easily manipulate any system and so its purpose will be what? Perhaps we are heading back to the good old days of only being allowed to vote if you were a property owner. You might think this is all from conspiracy theory central but my point is what and who stands to gain from this? A far better use of resources would be to prevent facebooks data being used to reinforce the prejudices of people who really don’t understand what life is like for some people at the margins of society. "photo ID cards will be free | |||
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"You have to show ID to pick up a parcel to prove you have the right to it. So showing an ID to prove you have the right to vote and it you as got to be the way to go. " | |||
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"So my big question about all of this is that at the moment most polling stations are run by volunteers and generally are located in church halls and the like which actually makes the whole business a bit loose but ultimately cheap to run. I imagine what the tories would like to do is bring in US style voting equipment (at vast expense ) to line the pockets of their business buddies along with charging for these photo ID which will then require an expensive and huge database to administer it. This is a stealth tax at least and a money making opportunity for outsourcing and a backdoor to ID cards for all. Serious criminals will easily manipulate any system and so its purpose will be what? Perhaps we are heading back to the good old days of only being allowed to vote if you were a property owner. You might think this is all from conspiracy theory central but my point is what and who stands to gain from this? A far better use of resources would be to prevent facebooks data being used to reinforce the prejudices of people who really don’t understand what life is like for some people at the margins of society. "Polling stations are not run by volunteers. They are manned in the main by local government staff, ex local government staff and others. The volunteers you refer to could be the checkers (usually on behalf of political parties) who are a pain to election staff as they should not be asking for your number before you enter the polling station. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? " Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. " Who are you ? | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ?" It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. " “Sorry I don’t have my card, but my name is Planetmike and postcode is xxxx” Receives voting slip ... | |||
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"I have never seen a problem with having a photo ID it would make things so much easier in a lot of ways " "Easier for whom??? Unless, of course, you did NOT happen to have one.... | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. " You don't need a polling card to cast a vote. Theoretically, provided I get there before you and know your name and address, I can walk into your polling station and cast a vote in your name. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. You don't need a polling card to cast a vote. Theoretically, provided I get there before you and know your name and address, I can walk into your polling station and cast a vote in your name. " Exactly, SIMPLE.......any voter can do it. | |||
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" You don't need a polling card to cast a vote. Theoretically, provided I get there before you and know your name and address, I can walk into your polling station and cast a vote in your name. " I find a polling card is handy when you need to spell out your surname. Yes, and when I turn up to vote, and discover a fraud has been in before me, it becomes a police matter. But it's unlikely to affect the result of the ballot. How often has it happened to you? | |||
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"I can walk into your polling station and cast a vote in your name. " You can, and you can go to jail for it too, so wear gloves and don't have your face recorded by any of the surveillance cameras that will undoubtedly be recording your fraud. And before you say you will never be caught and that you will still have stolen my vote, you won't. Firstly when I turn up to vote the police will be called and the ballot box with your fraudulent vote in it will be sealed after I prove my identification. Then after the polling station closes your fraudulent ballot will be found (the ballot number was recorded next to my name when you attempted to use my vote) and will be removed, fingerprinted and you will then be arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced (you will clearly already be in the system because only a very stupid criminal would try something so obviously doomed to failure). Now you were asking who is Micheal... By the way, the part of the voting system most open to fraud is the postal ballot system, which is where the really disturbing frauds have taken place and there are no proposals to close up the glaring loopholes there, I wonder why? Could this be more proof that this proposal is nothing but a cynical Tory ploy to suppress voting amongst the poor? | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. “Sorry I don’t have my card, but my name is Planetmike and postcode is xxxx” Receives voting slip ..." Yep done that many times | |||
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"Funny how many people never have a problem with rights being stripped away from others but when they find their right being restricted expect everyone else to answer their calls for help. Guess it's classic the curtain twitchier syndrome of civic duty and being a good neighbour stops at the front door until it is your home that is broken into." Who's rights would be stripped away and how? | |||
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"I have never seen a problem with having a photo ID it would make things so much easier in a lot of ways "Easier for whom??? Unless, of course, you did NOT happen to have one...." You don’t have a driving licences then passport ? | |||
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"I have never seen a problem with having a photo ID it would make things so much easier in a lot of ways "Easier for whom??? Unless, of course, you did NOT happen to have one.... You don’t have a driving licences then passport ?" Yes, I do have both. Many people have neither. We have been able to vote for many years without the necessity to produce any form of "photo ID". It just seems we are trying to solve a problem that does not exist. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. “Sorry I don’t have my card, but my name is Planetmike and postcode is xxxx” Receives voting slip ..." Before giving you the ballot paper the Presiding Officer must ask a set of questions, once those questions answered and if the Presiding Officer happy with the replies then a ballot paper can be issued | |||
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"Who's rights would be stripped away and how? " Those with no photo ID or the means to get photo ID. Think the very poor using food banks, those with no fixed abode, those unable to fill out the forms required to obtain photo ID, so just the most vulnerable in society. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. “Sorry I don’t have my card, but my name is Planetmike and postcode is xxxx” Receives voting slip ... Before giving you the ballot paper the Presiding Officer must ask a set of questions, once those questions answered and if the Presiding Officer happy with the replies then a ballot paper can be issued" Name and address | |||
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"Who's rights would be stripped away and how? Those with no photo ID or the means to get photo ID. Think the very poor using food banks, those with no fixed abode, those unable to fill out the forms required to obtain photo ID, so just the most vulnerable in society." Photo ID can be obtained for free | |||
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" Photo ID can be obtained for free Where from?" CitizenCard have announced they will be providing photo ID cards to any local authority electoral services team in England & Wales that wishes to promote free photo ID to anyone. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. “Sorry I don’t have my card, but my name is Planetmike and postcode is xxxx” Receives voting slip ... Before giving you the ballot paper the Presiding Officer must ask a set of questions, once those questions answered and if the Presiding Officer happy with the replies then a ballot paper can be issued Name and address " There are more questions than that to ask | |||
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"CitizenCard have announced they will be providing photo ID cards to any local authority electoral services team in England & Wales that wishes to promote free photo ID to anyone." They may have, but that does not mean that any local authority will take up the offer or that the ID card provided will satisfy the requirements of the proposed act. Just pointing this obvious flaw in your attempt to justify the unjustifiable out. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. “Sorry I don’t have my card, but my name is Planetmike and postcode is xxxx” Receives voting slip ... Before giving you the ballot paper the Presiding Officer must ask a set of questions, once those questions answered and if the Presiding Officer happy with the replies then a ballot paper can be issued Name and address There are more questions than that to ask" my local electoral services must be doing it wrong then ... What other questions are you asked ? | |||
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"CitizenCard have announced they will be providing photo ID cards to any local authority electoral services team in England & Wales that wishes to promote free photo ID to anyone. They may have, but that does not mean that any local authority will take up the offer or that the ID card provided will satisfy the requirements of the proposed act. Just pointing this obvious flaw in your attempt to justify the unjustifiable out." I can’t imagine an authority not taking up the offer of providing free ID cards The citizen card does meet all the requirements | |||
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" Photo ID can be obtained for free Where from? CitizenCard have announced they will be providing photo ID cards to any local authority electoral services team in England & Wales that wishes to promote free photo ID to anyone." Sounds great but how secure will it be and how will it be monitored? This is all right wing tosh designed to appear like Boris is taking back control. Really it’s just the kind of nonsense that appeals to Tory graph and Mail readers who Boris is attempting to drag back into the Tory fold. Populist rubbish for nationalist numptys | |||
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"I can’t imagine an authority not taking up the offer of providing free ID cards The citizen card does meet all the requirements " Of course you can't. Just as the German Jews who won gallantry awards in WW1 couldn't imagine a German government marching them into ghettos and gas chambers. It's good to know that you know what is in a proposed bill before it has even been published. Oh! Sorry, my bad, I just realised you must be writing the governments green paper! How did you manage to get that job so quickly? | |||
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"I can’t imagine an authority not taking up the offer of providing free ID cards The citizen card does meet all the requirements Of course you can't. Just as the German Jews who won gallantry awards in WW1 couldn't imagine a German government marching them into ghettos and gas chambers. It's good to know that you know what is in a proposed bill before it has even been published. Oh! Sorry, my bad, I just realised you must be writing the governments green paper! How did you manage to get that job so quickly? " Any authority who didn’t take up and offer free ID cards would be called out pretty quickly. CitizenCard is a PASS photo ID and is accepted and endorsed by the Home Office, Police and trading standards. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? " Why is ID required if the fraud rate is so low? Pretty much the lowest recorded crime in the country. What needs fixing? | |||
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"The funny thing is I am not against ID cards, I carried a military ID for years and found it very useful. However I am against any obstacle to voting, in fact I believe that voting should be mandatory with criminal sanctions for those who fail to vote. Having to produce ID is an obstacle to voting and anyone who claims it is not is lying. " Confirming your identity is not an obstacle to voting. | |||
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"The obvious solution is free identity tattoos, say a 9 digit number on the wrist, that'd do it. Or how about being involuntarily injected with a tracking chip. After all, only those with something to hide could possibly object. Even better, incorporate an electric shock device so that the authorities can easily neutralise dangerous criminals. I'm sure that the police would not abuse the system. Being serious for a moment, a requirement of proof of ID is every right wing governments wet dream. Slipping it in the back door to combat non-existant voter fraud is just the latest attempt to bring in Thatcher's ID cards (or was that Blair's idea - it gets so confusing when these extreme right wingers look so much alike, but that's a topic for a different thread another time). Firstly it disenfranchises so many whose lives are marginal, who are too poor or too disorganised or have no fixed abode or have just been unlucky in life. Yes maybe some of these are unlikely to vote anyway, but at least they haven't been barred by a rigged system. Secondly, it is only a tiny step from providing free photo ID for all, to insisting that it must be used every time you buy something, to making it mandatory to carry, to random ID checks in the street. All for your own good of course. Hey we could make it an electronic ID card, touch and vote! And the audit trail of who you vote for will be perfectly private, honest, it's only the police and the government that will be able to look at it. You know, for your own good." Do you know which party introduced photo ID into NI? Give you a clue..... It was in 2003. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. “Sorry I don’t have my card, but my name is Planetmike and postcode is xxxx” Receives voting slip ... Before giving you the ballot paper the Presiding Officer must ask a set of questions, once those questions answered and if the Presiding Officer happy with the replies then a ballot paper can be issued" Yep, I've only been asked for my postcode | |||
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"Do you people want a massive centralised data base with a file on every one of us.?? I don’t think it’s a vote winner. "That government database already exists and has done for quite a few years. Rather than it being a guilty secret used in shady ways I would see it being openly acknowledged and used for the benefit of the majority of us rather than being open to misuse due to it officially not existing. Of course there are similar private databases that I have a lot more problems with but the majority seem to be quite cool with them. | |||
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".... Do you know which party introduced photo ID into NI? Give you a clue..... It was in 2003." As i said above, blair, thatcher, difficult to tell apart. Both megalomaniacal right wing liars. Both warmongering governments. Both grabbing ever more power over the people. There is no labour good, tory bad or vice versa. Just some governments that abuse their power - unfortunately most of the recent ones; and some governments that work for the people - damned if i can think of any this century. | |||
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"Agree with this. People on here have assumed we would need when it hasn't even been put forward as a bill. Laughable really. The point is that regardless of the type of photo id required there will be a requirement to buy it, how do you think those who need to use food and clothing banks to feed their families are going to come up with the funds to buy an acceptable form of ID to vote?" Who says it will have to be photo ID, could merely be proof of address. Bill hasn't even been put forward yet so a bit early to mian | |||
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"Do you people want a massive centralised data base with a file on every one of us.?? I don’t think it’s a vote winner. "The Conservative Party once was about the freedom of the individual, the liberty of the person, and restraint of the state from interference in their lives. | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? " Disenfranchise poor people who cannot afford passports or driver licences, Polling stations become a Great place for criminals to rob peoples passports and ID. | |||
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"If there is no evidence of voter fraud.This can only be seen as voter suppression. bingo....... they are trying to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist but is likely to deter people from voting.... we should be encouraging people to vote... not try and put obsticles in peoples way How come only we can see this .?? Everyone complainis about low voter turn out but the right wingers want to put obstacles in the way. Maybe those who favour this want to hide the fact they don’t want working class people voting... Just sayin
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. " How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. https://youtu.be/FTKAP-HOwbE Most of it works for illegal immigrants too so don't fret ". Omg,I watched that clip, it's genuinely pathetic,it's like an attack of the libtards, and apart from all that being unfunny and bollocks it's about immigration not as I stated illegal immigration. Resisting id cards is futile, we've already moved to a situation where ever service is abused. Time to bring in id cards for everything from voting to health to schools. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? " Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant! | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!" . They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch." So that was a direct result of Tresemmes prevention of chefs being brought over from Bangladesh (something that has been going on in the Indian restaurant business for over 40 years) that led to a shortage of chefs and the criminalisation of a group of hard working immigrants. The tories realised they had fucked up bad when the quality of the chicken tikka went downhill and trued to institute a training scheme for homegrown chefs which was an utter failure that cost the taxpayer dearly. This is all the same old bullshit of people being too fucking lazy to look at what really goes on in the world. Ostracise incoming people and you build resentment that leads to extremism - its simple cause and effect! | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. https://youtu.be/FTKAP-HOwbE Most of it works for illegal immigrants too so don't fret
Omg,I watched that clip, it's genuinely pathetic,it's like an attack of the libtards, and apart from all that being unfunny and bollocks it's about immigration not as I stated illegal immigration.
Resisting id cards is futile, we've already moved to a situation where ever service is abused.
Time to bring in id cards for everything from voting to health to schools."Wahey! You are finally expressing an opinion on something that you have actually watched or listened to
As I said: "Most of it works for illegal immigrants too so don't fret"
It is actually satire rather than a documentary, but as the only "humour" that you demonstrate is spiteful and bullying I guess that might not have been apparent.
"Resistance is is futile" eh?
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. https://youtu.be/FTKAP-HOwbE Most of it works for illegal immigrants too so don't fret
Omg,I watched that clip, it's genuinely pathetic,it's like an attack of the libtards, and apart from all that being unfunny and bollocks it's about immigration not as I stated illegal immigration.
Resisting id cards is futile, we've already moved to a situation where ever service is abused.
Time to bring in id cards for everything from voting to health to schools.
Wahey!
You are finally expressing an opinion on something that you have actually watched or listened to
As I said: "Most of it works for illegal immigrants too so don't fret"
It is actually satire rather than a documentary, but as the only "humour" that you demonstrate is spiteful and bullying I guess that might not have been apparent.
"Resistance is is futile" eh?
You parody yourself ". You do talk some shit,"spiteful and bullying"? Do you mean when I said your podcast was middle class psychobabble? That wasn't humour .
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. https://youtu.be/FTKAP-HOwbE Most of it works for illegal immigrants too so don't fret
Omg,I watched that clip, it's genuinely pathetic,it's like an attack of the libtards, and apart from all that being unfunny and bollocks it's about immigration not as I stated illegal immigration.
Resisting id cards is futile, we've already moved to a situation where ever service is abused.
Time to bring in id cards for everything from voting to health to schools.
Wahey!
You are finally expressing an opinion on something that you have actually watched or listened to
As I said: "Most of it works for illegal immigrants too so don't fret"
It is actually satire rather than a documentary, but as the only "humour" that you demonstrate is spiteful and bullying I guess that might not have been apparent.
"Resistance is is futile" eh?
You parody yourself .
You do talk some shit,"spiteful and bullying"? Do you mean when I said your podcast was middle class psychobabble? That wasn't humour .
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. So that was a direct result of Tresemmes prevention of chefs being brought over from Bangladesh (something that has been going on in the Indian restaurant business for over 40 years) that led to a shortage of chefs and the criminalisation of a group of hard working immigrants. The tories realised they had fucked up bad when the quality of the chicken tikka went downhill and trued to institute a training scheme for homegrown chefs which was an utter failure that cost the taxpayer dearly. This is all the same old bullshit of people being too fucking lazy to look at what really goes on in the world. Ostracise incoming people and you build resentment that leads to extremism - its simple cause and effect!" . Spare me your liberal tears for the gap in the takeaway chefs market. IF needed they can apply and get in, no need to do it illegally. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. So that was a direct result of Tresemmes prevention of chefs being brought over from Bangladesh (something that has been going on in the Indian restaurant business for over 40 years) that led to a shortage of chefs and the criminalisation of a group of hard working immigrants. The tories realised they had fucked up bad when the quality of the chicken tikka went downhill and trued to institute a training scheme for homegrown chefs which was an utter failure that cost the taxpayer dearly. This is all the same old bullshit of people being too fucking lazy to look at what really goes on in the world. Ostracise incoming people and you build resentment that leads to extremism - its simple cause and effect!. Spare me your liberal tears for the gap in the takeaway chefs market. IF needed they can apply and get in, no need to do it illegally. " You do talk some shit at times - all of what I said is verifiable fact, and calling it bleedin heart liberal tears is actually just stupid. I am not crying, white knighting, or even particularly liberal, I just see bullshit and feel the need to call it out. If you want to carry on with your wild man of fab routines carry on feel free | |||
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"Can you think of a good reason NOT to show proof of ID when voting? Yes,,,,,,,,we do not need it. Who are you ? It's written down on the polling card I hand over. My address, too. “Sorry I don’t have my card, but my name is Planetmike and postcode is xxxx” Receives voting slip ... Before giving you the ballot paper the Presiding Officer must ask a set of questions, once those questions answered and if the Presiding Officer happy with the replies then a ballot paper can be issued Name and address There are more questions than that to ask my local electoral services must be doing it wrong then ... What other questions are you asked ? " There's a list of them. But never had to ask as always been in a polling station where I knew the people coming in to vote. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. So that was a direct result of Tresemmes prevention of chefs being brought over from Bangladesh (something that has been going on in the Indian restaurant business for over 40 years) that led to a shortage of chefs and the criminalisation of a group of hard working immigrants. The tories realised they had fucked up bad when the quality of the chicken tikka went downhill and trued to institute a training scheme for homegrown chefs which was an utter failure that cost the taxpayer dearly. This is all the same old bullshit of people being too fucking lazy to look at what really goes on in the world. Ostracise incoming people and you build resentment that leads to extremism - its simple cause and effect!. Spare me your liberal tears for the gap in the takeaway chefs market. IF needed they can apply and get in, no need to do it illegally. You do talk some shit at times - all of what I said is verifiable fact, and calling it bleedin heart liberal tears is actually just stupid. I am not crying, white knighting, or even particularly liberal, I just see bullshit and feel the need to call it out. If you want to carry on with your wild man of fab routines carry on feel free ". Your the guy who thinks the only chefs that can do "Indian cuisine" are from Bangladesh.  | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch." You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work? | |||
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" Also, newsflash, ID Cards are a big thing in the EU, it's a requirement in most EU countries, so congrats on pushing through an EU thing as one of the first Brexit policies. I had not realised, until I read an article a few weeks ago, that many EU citizens use their ID cards to enter the UK. Few bother with passports. " We don’t need passports either - just photo ID. Your driving licence will do. Can’t remember if that is just UK and EU flights, or worldwide. Probably the former. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work?" . What you talking about, there's hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants on housing benefit, children in schools, NHS, welfare benefits. There probably coming here illegally because they wouldn't get in via the legal route. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work?. What you talking about, there's hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants on housing benefit, children in schools, NHS, welfare benefits. There probably coming here illegally because they wouldn't get in via the legal route." And how do illegal immigrants get benefits, what with them being illegal and all? | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work?. What you talking about, there's hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants on housing benefit, children in schools, NHS, welfare benefits. There probably coming here illegally because they wouldn't get in via the legal route. And how do illegal immigrants get benefits, what with them being illegal and all?" Illegally... | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work?. What you talking about, there's hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants on housing benefit, children in schools, NHS, welfare benefits. There probably coming here illegally because they wouldn't get in via the legal route." Benefits can't be claimed unless someone has been in the country for months legally. Refugees are rightly covered by separate systems. If you provide verifiable statistical data on benefits etc, then it will clarify the tiny extent of the issue. The same arguments against ID cards exist today as when the UK tried it before. Voting doesn't have much measurable instances of it. It's a red herring - smoke and mirrors. The conservatives are planning to reduce votes from poorer people. A different government is needed that is not biased in that way. Political party receipt of very large sums of money from donors has been highlighted as a major issue for investigation though, as the wealthy funnily enough, don't get disenfranchised or at risk of their voting demands being ignored Millions of ID cards mean nothing, if people walk the country freely. An extensive network of hyper-surveillance and very frequent citizen interrogation would be needed, to ensure that that cards aren't just a ruse to intimidate people that a single political party or tax avoiding media owner, doesn't like. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work?. What you talking about, there's hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants on housing benefit, children in schools, NHS, welfare benefits. There probably coming here illegally because they wouldn't get in via the legal route. And how do illegal immigrants get benefits, what with them being illegal and all?" . Why do you want to know, are you thinking of trying for some yourself | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work?. What you talking about, there's hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants on housing benefit, children in schools, NHS, welfare benefits. There probably coming here illegally because they wouldn't get in via the legal route. And how do illegal immigrants get benefits, what with them being illegal and all?. Why do you want to know, are you thinking of trying for some yourself "I am interested to know because it doesn’t make sense. If we are a soft touch, as is often suggested, why do people need to come here illegally? If we are waiting with open arms and benefits a plenty, why are they sneaking in under the cover of dark trying to avoid detection? Why don’t they just get the ferry, and ask the helpful man at customs to point them in the direction of the nearest benefits office? | |||
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"Still I am asking the question how does using an ID prevent illegal immigration? Also the UK is not a soft touch, you ain’t been reading that home office staff are deporting illegal immigrants left right and centre. They are doing their job, it’s just not widely reported. Also the UK border is in France at Calais thought an agreement, but if we don’t get a deal on Brexit then it automatically gets pushed back to Dover. Get the facts straight, there is no UK wide invasion, Boston is well known as a place with a high population of European migrants, but that’s due to the local population not taking the jobs there. " Exactly. The narrative that they are stealing jobs is nonsense. A friend of mine often talks about how hard it is to get local Brits for low paid shift work. But Eastern European’s are always more reliable. She had about 10 British interviewees lined up from the job centre recently, and not one even turned up. Apparently they only need to line up interviews... employers can’t feedback to the job centre that they didn’t turn up. And since the referendum there have been fewer Eastern European’s around, so it’s getting harder to fill positions. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work?. What you talking about, there's hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants on housing benefit, children in schools, NHS, welfare benefits. There probably coming here illegally because they wouldn't get in via the legal route. And how do illegal immigrants get benefits, what with them being illegal and all?. Why do you want to know, are you thinking of trying for some yourself
I am interested to know because it doesn’t make sense. If we are a soft touch, as is often suggested, why do people need to come here illegally? If we are waiting with open arms and benefits a plenty, why are they sneaking in under the cover of dark trying to avoid detection?
Why don’t they just get the ferry, and ask the helpful man at customs to point them in the direction of the nearest benefits office?". Yes because France is so fucking lovely and full of benefits they set sail on Lilos for the UK. Wait no, France isn't a soft touch and tell them to fuck off because they've got no id and therefore can't claim anything or get healthcare. | |||
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"Agree with this. People on here have assumed we would need when it hasn't even been put forward as a bill. Laughable really. The point is that regardless of the type of photo id required there will be a requirement to buy it, how do you think those who need to use food and clothing banks to feed their families are going to come up with the funds to buy an acceptable form of ID to vote?" , its a form of excluding voters, those unlikely to vote tory | |||
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"Agree with this. People on here have assumed we would need when it hasn't even been put forward as a bill. Laughable really. The point is that regardless of the type of photo id required there will be a requirement to buy it, how do you think those who need to use food and clothing banks to feed their families are going to come up with the funds to buy an acceptable form of ID to vote? , its a form of excluding voters, those unlikely to vote tory". Which people are them then?. I'd love to hear your reasoning?. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. You didn’t really answer the question. If they can freely come here and be welcomed into the benefits system.... why are they coming here “illegally” and having to work?. What you talking about, there's hundreds of cases of illegal immigrants on housing benefit, children in schools, NHS, welfare benefits. There probably coming here illegally because they wouldn't get in via the legal route. And how do illegal immigrants get benefits, what with them being illegal and all?. Why do you want to know, are you thinking of trying for some yourself
I am interested to know because it doesn’t make sense. If we are a soft touch, as is often suggested, why do people need to come here illegally? If we are waiting with open arms and benefits a plenty, why are they sneaking in under the cover of dark trying to avoid detection?
Why don’t they just get the ferry, and ask the helpful man at customs to point them in the direction of the nearest benefits office?.
Yes because France is so fucking lovely and full of benefits they set sail on Lilos for the UK.
Wait no, France isn't a soft touch and tell them to fuck off because they've got no id and therefore can't claim anything or get healthcare.
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"Still I am asking the question how does using an ID prevent illegal immigration? Also the UK is not a soft touch, you ain’t been reading that home office staff are deporting illegal immigrants left right and centre. They are doing their job, it’s just not widely reported. Also the UK border is in France at Calais thought an agreement, but if we don’t get a deal on Brexit then it automatically gets pushed back to Dover. Get the facts straight, there is no UK wide invasion, Boston is well known as a place with a high population of European migrants, but that’s due to the local population not taking the jobs there. Exactly. The narrative that they are stealing jobs is nonsense. A friend of mine often talks about how hard it is to get local Brits for low paid shift work. But Eastern European’s are always more reliable. She had about 10 British interviewees lined up from the job centre recently, and not one even turned up. Apparently they only need to line up interviews... employers can’t feedback to the job centre that they didn’t turn up. And since the referendum there have been fewer Eastern European’s around, so it’s getting harder to fill positions." well if thats the case they would of had there benefits stopped.when the yob centre send you to interview they allways contact the firm to see if yu turned up.i know this as fact as cpl of mates have been sanctioned gor that very thing.so think either u or your mate are telling porkies. | |||
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"Still I am asking the question how does using an ID prevent illegal immigration? Also the UK is not a soft touch, you ain’t been reading that home office staff are deporting illegal immigrants left right and centre. They are doing their job, it’s just not widely reported. Also the UK border is in France at Calais thought an agreement, but if we don’t get a deal on Brexit then it automatically gets pushed back to Dover. Get the facts straight, there is no UK wide invasion, Boston is well known as a place with a high population of European migrants, but that’s due to the local population not taking the jobs there. Exactly. The narrative that they are stealing jobs is nonsense. A friend of mine often talks about how hard it is to get local Brits for low paid shift work. But Eastern European’s are always more reliable. She had about 10 British interviewees lined up from the job centre recently, and not one even turned up. Apparently they only need to line up interviews... employers can’t feedback to the job centre that they didn’t turn up. And since the referendum there have been fewer Eastern European’s around, so it’s getting harder to fill positions. well if thats the case they would of had there benefits stopped.when the yob centre send you to interview they allways contact the firm to see if yu turned up.i know this as fact as cpl of mates have been sanctioned gor that very thing.so think either u or your mate are telling porkies." Those unfortunate to be claiming benefits have to provide full, detailed and verifiable evidence of their hard work to claim. Some of the usual media have used propaganda to inflame susceptible minds that it's an easy life - hence some public distorted realities. Sanctions have been heavily loaded on to people, for up to 3 years, meaning that a family can go without food or housing, because strict judgements were encouraged against claimants. Totally evil. People who are critical should volunteer at food banks and homeless charities for a few months, so they truly understand the situation | |||
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"Still I am asking the question how does using an ID prevent illegal immigration? Also the UK is not a soft touch, you ain’t been reading that home office staff are deporting illegal immigrants left right and centre. They are doing their job, it’s just not widely reported. Also the UK border is in France at Calais thought an agreement, but if we don’t get a deal on Brexit then it automatically gets pushed back to Dover. Get the facts straight, there is no UK wide invasion, Boston is well known as a place with a high population of European migrants, but that’s due to the local population not taking the jobs there. Exactly. The narrative that they are stealing jobs is nonsense. A friend of mine often talks about how hard it is to get local Brits for low paid shift work. But Eastern European’s are always more reliable. She had about 10 British interviewees lined up from the job centre recently, and not one even turned up. Apparently they only need to line up interviews... employers can’t feedback to the job centre that they didn’t turn up. And since the referendum there have been fewer Eastern European’s around, so it’s getting harder to fill positions. well if thats the case they would of had there benefits stopped.when the yob centre send you to interview they allways contact the firm to see if yu turned up.i know this as fact as cpl of mates have been sanctioned gor that very thing.so think either u or your mate are telling porkies." I would have assumed that to be the case, but that’s what she said. I don’t know if it varies by region, or is discretionary. She just said that they only have to be seen by the job centre to be getting interviews. But that there was no channel for feedback regarding attendance. I have no reason whatsoever she was making it up. | |||
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"Can't wait, this country is chock-a-block with illegals doing all sorts. Papers please, no, first plane out of here, same goes for foreign nationals committing criminal offences. Were a laughing stock which is why there all desperate to sail a Lilo across the channel. How can voter ID’s be related to illegal immigration? Exactly. On a related note, can anyone explain to my there even are any illegal immigrants? I’m forever hearing that people come to this country because we’re a soft touch, and they can just walk in and start claiming all our benefits? Why don’t they just do that? It’s a bit like Schrodinger’s Immigrant!. They do, there's hundreds of thousands of them, the border agency raided our local Indian, 12 out of the 14 staff were illegal immigrants, it's not a one off, were a country that's easy to do it in because nobody checks anything, it's why nearly all of Europe make you carry id by law at all times and why most of them want to come here despite already being in Europe. Were a soft touch. So that was a direct result of Tresemmes prevention of chefs being brought over from Bangladesh (something that has been going on in the Indian restaurant business for over 40 years) that led to a shortage of chefs and the criminalisation of a group of hard working immigrants. The tories realised they had fucked up bad when the quality of the chicken tikka went downhill and trued to institute a training scheme for homegrown chefs which was an utter failure that cost the taxpayer dearly. This is all the same old bullshit of people being too fucking lazy to look at what really goes on in the world. Ostracise incoming people and you build resentment that leads to extremism - its simple cause and effect!. Spare me your liberal tears for the gap in the takeaway chefs market. IF needed they can apply and get in, no need to do it illegally. You do talk some shit at times - all of what I said is verifiable fact, and calling it bleedin heart liberal tears is actually just stupid. I am not crying, white knighting, or even particularly liberal, I just see bullshit and feel the need to call it out. If you want to carry on with your wild man of fab routines carry on feel free .
Your the guy who thinks the only chefs that can do "Indian cuisine" are from Bangladesh. "I knew a couple of brothers who ran a very successful Indian in brick lane over thirty years ago and they explained that a lot of Indian chefs came from Bangladesh because there was a trusted hierarchy over there who trained and supply chefs in a similar way to the old French system. That has changed slightly now that more types of “Indian” food are available (Gujarati, Keralan, etc) but for your average curry house it is still a common route. But my point was that the government threw a lot of money at a stupid idea and it backfired because it was a load of racially motivated bullshit. | |||
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