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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Looks like she's looking for another independence vote is it time we cut the strings give them 12 months to get sorted then stop all monies see then if they can afford Free unis prescription's and hospital parking for starters or tell her shut the fuck up and except Scots don't want to be separated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought I see a poll the other day that said I think 57% wanted to stay in the union now, who knows

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

She's hit some influence at the moment, and a good GE will embolden her to push further.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"She's hit some influence at the moment, and a good GE will embolden her to push further. "
Just hope conservatives win then Boris tell's her to do one for next thousand years

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Looks like she's looking for another independence vote is it time we cut the strings give them 12 months to get sorted then stop all monies see then if they can afford Free unis prescription's and hospital parking for starters or tell her shut the fuck up and except Scots don't want to be separated"

Self-determination means allowing the people of Scotland decide.

I suspect your money isn't terribly welcome anyway, since it comes with attitude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

She is just using the political power she has been handed by circumstances. The DUP did and are doing now. Cost of DUP support was a billion a year back when may was in power. One suspects they will be cheaper now as not so important to boris. Will see how important stopping a no deal brexit is to the snp as this plays out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Self-determination means allowing the people of Scotland decide.

I suspect your money isn't terribly welcome anyway, since it comes with good can I have a refund

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they should be given the choice again yes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think they should be given the choice again yes. "
why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?"

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

I think they should be given the choice again yes. "
Yes me too just so i wont have to watch that twat blackford on parliament today ever again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they should be given the choice again yes.

why?"

See above but basically Scotland was told if you want to remain in the EU then you need to vote to remain in the UK

Now England and Wales have voted to leave the EU and drag Scotland with them only 2 years afterwards then that nullified the reason people in Scotland may have wanted to remain in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

She wants another referendum because the goal posts that the previous Independence referendum were played to have now been moved massively so it's only right the people of Scotland get to decide their own future. "
That's fine but you do say she wants but talking to family they say they don't want it neither do most of there friends auntie got that fed up with it all she's retired to Portugal so I wonder if it's just her party that want it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let them have their referendum if they indeed want to leave then who are we to stop them ?

Then they can apply to join the EU on their own terms

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

She is barmy most Scots are not stupid and know where they are better off.I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Deflecting heat from her time in power ...because she has been a shite first minister achieved little ...but bangs on about independence

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"She is barmy most Scots are not stupid and know where they are better off.I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence."
She is just like salmond before her just wants to go down in scotish history nothing else.Blackfoed was ask on a sky interview about the snp,s record on education seems 3 in 10 kids left primary school without meeting literacy targets think she should spend a bit more time on domestic problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

That's fine but you do say she wants but talking to family they say they don't want it neither do most of there friends auntie got that fed up with it all she's retired to Portugal so I wonder if it's just her party that want it"

If that's the case then a heavy majority remain result would be returned

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

If it was a 52%- 48% result to leave do you think she would take it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?"

England broke all promises made to Scotland during the last vote, at the very least they should get to vote again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it was a 52%- 48% result to leave do you think she would take it.

I'd guess another referendum may be a little better organised hopefully than the last one lol

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"If it was a 52%- 48% result to leave do you think she would take it.

I'd guess another referendum may be a little better organised hopefully than the last one lol"
Well she doesn't seem to respect that result just wondering if she would have a different opinion if it was the same outcome in an indy2.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it was a 52%- 48% result to leave do you think she would take it.

I'd guess another referendum may be a little better organised hopefully than the last one lolWell she doesn't seem to respect that result just wondering if she would have a different opinion if it was the same outcome in an indy2. "

Only 1 way to find out

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

Yes, that's right.

In 2014, the No campaign said a Yes vote was a vote to leave 2 unions.

The United Kingdom and the European Union.

The EU stayed out of the argument.

No the vote is a choice of unions.

The UK or the EU.

Toss a coin?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

Yes, that's right.

In 2014, the No campaign said a Yes vote was a vote to leave 2 unions.

The United Kingdom and the European Union.

The EU stayed out of the argument.

No the vote is a choice of unions.

The UK or the EU.

Toss a coin?"
Think they need to find out if they will be able to join the eu and when 1st and not just assume the will.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You won't get a formal answer so long as Scotland sits within a member state.

But there are lots of clues.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Just imagine the momentum the Catalans would get

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

She wants another referendum because the goal posts that the previous Independence referendum were played to have now been moved massively so it's only right the people of Scotland get to decide their own future. That's fine but you do say she wants but talking to family they say they don't want it neither do most of there friends auntie got that fed up with it all she's retired to Portugal so I wonder if it's just her party that want it"

You are the reason the SNP do well. Keep on the batter lad cause when you sober up it will be some hangover.

Gives our oil money back and your government could introduce free prescriptions and parking in s minute, they chose.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

She's doing her job and far better than Johnson is doing his.

You couldn't dream of handing over Gibraltar or the Falklands, without having their citizens to vote, so Scotland etc must have the future that it decides to. That country voted to remain in the EU but the UK government hasn't respected that.

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

England broke all promises made to Scotland during the last vote, at the very least they should get to vote again."

You are correct.it was only the last minute promises and lies from tory and labour that turned the tide. We are likely to vote different next time.

Have to laugh at those that say we should accept it but expect us to except brexit when us scots voted overwhelmingly to stay

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By *ugehandsMan
over a year ago

Fife/ Newcastle

I love my country, I am not politically correct and proud of it, I am afraid of the government of this great country!

I'm my opinion I do not want another Scottish referendum because the last one was very clear that the majority wanted to remain in the union.

However if a referendum is the only way Scotland can purge its self of Nicola Sturgeon and her bile and rhetoric then let's do it quickly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it was a 52%- 48% result to leave do you think she would take it.

I'd guess another referendum may be a little better organised hopefully than the last one lol

Well she doesn't seem to respect that result just wondering if she would have a different opinion if it was the same outcome in an indy2. "

I can see her view point and fully agree the Scots should be given a chance to lodge their view in a independence referendum now things have changed since the previous Independence referendum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love my country, I am not politically correct and proud of it, I am afraid of the government of this great country!

I'm my opinion I do not want another Scottish referendum because the last one was very clear that the majority wanted to remain in the union.

However if a referendum is the only way Scotland can purge its self of Nicola Sturgeon and her bile and rhetoric then let's do it quickly. "

But no one knows how many decided to vote remain in the UK to STAY in the EU do we and now basically England and Wales are dragging Scotland out of the EU with them then it's only fair the Scots get to choose how they want to live.

Whether Scotland can or cannot join the EU as an independent state is of no relevance at this time.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Get Sean Connery on the case loves Scottish independence...yet being a non tax payer in Scotland for many years another hypocrite..

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

I say bring in donald trump to build a wall and keep the english out

Especially the mother inlaw

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Trump's mum is from the Western Isles, so he'd be eligible for Scottish citizenship.

That is what I am hoping for too, recovery of my rights as a European citizen through the accession of Scotland to the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've not been to the Euro zone for a few years now anyway, prefer Turkey & Mexico so getting Visa's is the norm for me

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Watched her on Marr: He asked her if the UK left the EU, if Scotland voted for independence, and if Scotland then joined the EU, would there have to be a hard border between Scotland and England.

She said she wasn't going to answer as there were too many ifs in the question.

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By *teveuk77Man
over a year ago

"She is barmy most Scots are not stupid and know where they are better off.I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence."

You do hear now...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/05/scottish-independence-supporters-gather-for-edinburgh-march

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By *eep.Man
over a year ago

Just a background character

"Watched her on Marr: He asked her if the UK left the EU, if Scotland voted for independence, and if Scotland then joined the EU, would there have to be a hard border between Scotland and England.

She said she wasn't going to answer as there were too many ifs in the question."

A wall, why not? Make Scotland Great Again.

Rebuild Hadrians Wall. And make the English pay for it.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence.

October 5, Edinburgh.

All Under One Banner march for independence.

The organisers put the numbers at 200,000.

An exaggeration, I'm sure.

But you get the point.

Certainly tens of thousands, judging from the aerial images.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

She wants another referendum because the goal posts that the previous Independence referendum were played to have now been moved massively so it's only right the people of Scotland get to decide their own future. That's fine but you do say she wants but talking to family they say they don't want it neither do most of there friends auntie got that fed up with it all she's retired to Portugal so I wonder if it's just her party that want it

You are the reason the SNP do well. Keep on the batter lad cause when you sober up it will be some hangover.

Gives our oil money back and your government could introduce free prescriptions and parking in s minute, they chose."
I'd gladly give it you back if it meant you Left the union but most want to be independent but still scrounge of England I hope you get a referendum but for me if you vote to leave then we cut all ties so the money train stops within 12 months

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

12 months to dissolve the Act of Union?

You are having a laugh.

It is three years since the UK voted to dissolve the EU Treaties and still it has not happened.

That's dissolution of treaties that integrated the UK with its neighbours over 50 years.

The dissolution of treaties going back 300 years might take a little longer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"12 months to dissolve the Act of Union?

You are having a laugh.

It is three years since the UK voted to dissolve the EU Treaties and still it has not happened.

That's dissolution of treaties that integrated the UK with its neighbours over 50 years.

The dissolution of treaties going back 300 years might take a little longer.granted with the Muppets we have now but I believe we could build that little wall back up in twelve months and sort the union shite out

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The bullying attitude that so many are oft to accuse the EU of.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The bullying attitude that so many are oft to accuse the EU of.no bullying I don't care if Scotland stays or goes

Same as Ireland but if you do leave then there should be no support after.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

If a country decides to go its way, what on earth makes you think they'd want maintenance money from you?

Can you give me any example in history of a country that divorced itself from the United Kingdom, yet expected the UK to keep sending a cheque every month?

I can't.

The whole point of independence is about standing on your own two feet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If a country decides to go its way, what on earth makes you think they'd want maintenance money from you?

Can you give me any example in history of a country that divorced itself from the United Kingdom, yet expected the UK to keep sending a cheque every month?

I can't.

The whole point of independence is about standing on your own two feet.India get roughly 200 300 million a year Caribbeans get financial aid I hope you succeed and go alone I honestly do because I wouldn't want you back

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By *lasgow_GMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

So we already voted and told her no... Could one of you find English people contact your local government or authorities and point their attention to the Nazi dictatorship operating in Scotland? They had their vote and agreed it was once in a generation (thinking they were gonna win). They then lost that vote and have decided democracy should be thrown out the window.

Arrest them for treason or fraud or something!

British government gave so many millions to the Scottish government that was meant to go to / be spent on the people instead the snp gave them as non recoverable loans to their own party members and supporters...

Scotland needs rid of nippy!

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By *lasgow_GMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence.

October 5, Edinburgh.

All Under One Banner march for independence.

The organisers put the numbers at 200,000.

An exaggeration, I'm sure.

But you get the point.

Certainly tens of thousands, judging from the aerial images.

The pro Indy campaign are caught repeatedly lying about their numbers. It was closer to 20k not 200k ??

A comparison was also made against their "200k" and a photo of Less than 200k Rangers fans in Manchester... They literally make their numbers out of thin air. Or it's further testament to the failure of the snp education...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She is barmy most Scots are not stupid and know where they are better off.I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence."

Really? There was an independence march in Edinburgh last weekend attended by at least tens of thousands, probably over one hundred thousand people. The march started at Holyrood Park and ended at the Meadows, a distance of 1.8 miles. When the head of the march arrived at the Meadows there were still people leaving Holyrood. Perhaps you just aren't very observant, but I was there and can assure you it happened.

Brexit and Boris 'Blowhard' Johnson have increased the attractiveness of independence massively and people talk about it all the time up here now. I'm pretty sure the SNP would win indyref2 by a good margin. Well done you Brexiteers for potentially ending the union.

Nicola Sturgeon is far from stupid, unlike Johnson, and I'd far rather have her as leader than Dominic Cummings sock puppet prime minister.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She is barmy most Scots are not stupid and know where they are better off.I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence."

So you missed the tens of thousands marching for independence a couple of weeks ago? Even I saw it on German news- it was a massive March supporting independence. Getting bigger every time.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

There was an independence march in Edinburgh last weekend attended by at least tens of thousands, probably over one hundred thousand people. The march started at Holyrood Park and ended at the Meadows, a distance of 1.8 miles. When the head of the march arrived at the Meadows there were still people leaving Holyrood.

Were they still finishing their beers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She's hit some influence at the moment, and a good GE will embolden her to push further. Just hope conservatives win then Boris tell's her to do one for next thousand years "

Arseholes like you that keep Tories in ya fuckin bellend!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence.

October 5, Edinburgh.

All Under One Banner march for independence.

The organisers put the numbers at 200,000.

An exaggeration, I'm sure.

But you get the point.

Certainly tens of thousands, judging from the aerial images.

The pro Indy campaign are caught repeatedly lying about their numbers. It was closer to 20k not 200k ??

Aye pretty sure scotlands shame wrecked manchester

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we already voted and told her no... Could one of you find English people contact your local government or authorities and point their attention to the Nazi dictatorship operating in Scotland? They had their vote and agreed it was once in a generation (thinking they were gonna win). They then lost that vote and have decided democracy should be thrown out the window.

Arrest them for treason or fraud or something!

Scotland needs rid of nippy!"

Take your union jack glasses of and pls tell us what we are getting from this unequal so called union ?, and keep your nazi and nippy coments for your wee pals at nursery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

She wants another referendum because the goal posts that the previous Independence referendum were played to have now been moved massively so it's only right the people of Scotland get to decide their own future. That's fine but you do say she wants but talking to family they say they don't want it neither do most of there friends auntie got that fed up with it all she's retired to Portugal so I wonder if it's just her party that want it

You are the reason the SNP do well. Keep on the batter lad cause when you sober up it will be some hangover.

Gives our oil money back and your government could introduce free prescriptions and parking in s minute, they chose.I'd gladly give it you back if it meant you Left the union but most want to be independent but still scrounge of England I hope you get a referendum but for me if you vote to leave then we cut all ties so the money train stops within 12 months "

If you think we are scroungers ask yourself why every government for the last 50yrs have done everthing they could to keep us in the union ?maybe its something to do with our oil,gas,whisky and other recoures that have kept this country going and when we are gone yous will be fucked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

She wants another referendum because the goal posts that the previous Independence referendum were played to have now been moved massively so it's only right the people of Scotland get to decide their own future. That's fine but you do say she wants but talking to family they say they don't want it neither do most of there friends auntie got that fed up with it all she's retired to Portugal so I wonder if it's just her party that want it

You are the reason the SNP do well. Keep on the batter lad cause when you sober up it will be some hangover.

You really are a deluded, racist & vile twat.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

It amazes me how so many Scots still think being part of a Union populated by so very many of your pitiful ilk is a good idea.

I suppose they must be just like you; but with even less self-respect.

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By *he feckersCouple
over a year ago

rosyth

"She is barmy most Scots are not stupid and know where they are better off.I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence."
That's because the msm don't tell you what is really happening just over a week ago there was an estimated 200,000 people on the streets of Edinburgh marching for independence When the msm do mention anything they lie and twist the facts to suit the unionist agenda they all follow. In Scotland we have one single newspaper that supports independence and they are up against the rest of the main stream media

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By *he feckersCouple
over a year ago

rosyth

"I do not here of thousands of Scots taking to the streets demanding independence.

October 5, Edinburgh.

All Under One Banner march for independence.

The organisers put the numbers at 200,000.

An exaggeration, I'm sure.

But you get the point.

Certainly tens of thousands, judging from the aerial images.

The pro Indy campaign are caught repeatedly lying about their numbers. It was closer to 20k not 200k ??

Aye pretty sure scotlands shame wrecked manchester

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The photos can't be used seriously except some of the start I was in Edinburgh and at the meadows the march started at holyrood at 1.30 and folk were still arriving at 4.30 by which time a lot of people had left. Auob may fudge their numbers lol but no where near as bad as the holocaust denying prick and his wee band of morons that like to stand giving abuse to the marchers

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Someone needs to calm down. ??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is there any referendum she will accept the results of? Or are they all invalid unless they are the answer she wants?

She wants another referendum because the goal posts that the previous Independence referendum were played to have now been moved massively so it's only right the people of Scotland get to decide their own future. That's fine but you do say she wants but talking to family they say they don't want it neither do most of there friends auntie got that fed up with it all she's retired to Portugal so I wonder if it's just her party that want it

You are the reason the SNP do well. Keep on the batter lad cause when you sober up it will be some hangover.

You really are a deluded, racist & vile twat."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the 2016 referendum the majority voted to remain in the eu

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"In the 2016 referendum the majority voted to remain in the eu

was a uk vote mate not a country by country vote and the uk voted to leave.just think if they hadnt bottled it when they had there indy vote they would be free and one of the richest countries by now what with all there oil money but hang on aint the snp climate. change supporters ooooo they gona have to leave all that black gold in the ground.thats buggerd there income up

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

People go on about a vote being "once in a generation".

What does that actually mean?

It's written down in law in only one place in the UK.

The Belfast Agreement.

Seven years must elapse before a second referendum can be held.

The Scottish referendum was in 2014.

A referendum in 2021 would be legitimate in law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just have an English independance referendum and do Nichola s job for her ??

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Well, if England voted to leave the UK, it would save everyone a lot of grief.

You could leave the UK and the EU in one fell swoop.

And before anyone mentions Wales, the Times has some some research showing how English migrants tipped the result there from Remain to Leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the 2016 referendum the majority voted to remain in the eu

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

I would appeal to those Scots who haven't previously supported separation not to let the arguments and insults of the mad, bad extreme English nationalists push you towards a more Scottish Nationalist point of view. This is exactly what they want. These extreme English nationalists hate the idea of peoples working together for a common good, hate the idea that if we all cooperate together we can make something that is more than the sum of its parts. It is their narrow minded, zero sum attitudes that leads them to hate the EU and by extension anything that is not England and England first. Don't let them make you mirror their hatred of anything 'other' or narrow minded view of the future. We need to stand together.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Well, if England voted to leave the UK, it would save everyone a lot of grief.

You could leave the UK and the EU in one fell swoop.

And before anyone mentions Wales, the Times has some some research showing how English migrants tipped the result there from Remain to Leave.

england dosent want to leave the uk.thats the snp your thinking of i wouldnt vote for fuck all in this country.jst think if scotland had taken there chance when they had it they could be just about joining the eu just as the uk leaves.still cant understand why they bottled it

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

If the Scots leave what border are we going to have ?????

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over a year ago

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

To be fair, England and parliament have been treating Scotland like trash for years before Brexit and the Divide was a thing. England used the fact of EU stability and how "being together" was the best, and when Scotland voted to remain, parliament and the prime minister (and deputy PM) made a promise to be more inclusive of Scottish views and issues.

That promise was quickly broken and then Brexit happened.

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over a year ago

Oh because of the Barnett formula the Scots get a better deal from the U.K. than all but Northen ireland.....

So far from being treated badly , the Scots gain from the union.

It is all down to the grievence politics sown by the SNP...One track one dimension ...Failed at every ministry that they "won" from Westminster...

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over a year ago

"Oh because of the Barnett formula the Scots get a better deal from the U.K. than all but Northen ireland.....

So far from being treated badly , the Scots gain from the union.

It is all down to the grievence politics sown by the SNP...One track one dimension ...Failed at every ministry that they "won" from Westminster...

I mean, same could be said of Britain in the EU but we still wanted out right? Scotland wanting to be free and Brexit are pretty much the same logic, which is why I always find it hilarious pro-Brexit types hate the idea of Scotland going alone.

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

For the sake of argument - how might this "standing together" take shape? Who do we stand with? The ever dwindling "British"? Her Majesty's loyal opposition? Some other, as yet unrevealed, political force?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality? "

I don't believe you can build walls or borders around extremism. If left it fester and grow anywhere it ultimately spreads either directly or indirectly. Either you believe that people, all people, can achieve more by cooperating with each other and working together to achieve common goals; in which case you're going to be inclined to favour the UK, the EU, UN and an international rules based system; or your not; in which case you'll be more inclined to disfavour most of the above only being inclined to lend support to such organisations of cooperation as a means to ease the way out of the ones you're already in. You only need to see what's happening in the BREXIT debate. Originally we were told it was about UK independence, now we're told it doesn't matter if the UK breaks up as long as England is free. TBF I see little difference in the arguments put forward by either Scottish Nationalist or English. You're either a nationalist or you're not and if you are a nationalist you're always going to put the perceived, narrow self interest of your "nation" before the good of any others or even the good of all. The arguments the SNP now apply to Britain will soon enough, for pretty much the same reasons, be applied by Scots against the EU in time. It's the nature of the beast - that's nationalism.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"If the Scots leave what border are we going to have ?????"

A wall around the entirety of England.

Hopefully.

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By *he feckersCouple
over a year ago

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"Oh because of the Barnett formula the Scots get a better deal from the U.K. than all but Northen ireland.....

So far from being treated badly , the Scots gain from the union.

It is all down to the grievence politics sown by the SNP...One track one dimension ...Failed at every ministry that they "won" from Westminster...

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The Barnet formula pmsl you mean the pocket money Scotland gets back after Westminster takes our tax etc Contrary to the shite England is fed by the msm and Westminster we are not subsidised by England though as it turns out that might just bite them on the arse now seeing as all the little englanders etc take it as gospel now and would happily be rid of us as long as they get their brexit

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over a year ago

Or we could give them another referendum, and see what happens when independence cannot be delivered?

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

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over a year ago

"Oh because of the Barnett formula the Scots get a better deal from the U.K. than all but Northen ireland.....

So far from being treated badly , the Scots gain from the union.

It is all down to the grievence politics sown by the SNP...One track one dimension ...Failed at every ministry that they "won" from Westminster...

But what I’d really like is English Independance !

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By *ilkysmooth123Man
over a year ago

nr sedbergh

"If the Scots leave what border are we going to have ?????

A wall around the entirety of England.

Hopefully."

Hahaha,youre so proud of being scottish yet you choose to live in England,a country you so obviously hate.Youre comedy gold mate.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

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over a year ago

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

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What on earth is wrong with wanting your country to be an independent nation !

Do you think the Soviet Union should have stayed together ?

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

But you aren't offering any alternatives either. Blanket condemnation of nationalism serves no purpose.

Given that the British Government has abrogated its moral, political and legal responsibilities. What do you suggest?

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over a year ago

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

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People like countries, they like being part of something they call home, they like borders and culture and football shirts, they like having a common language and shared beliefs and goals, it can be abused your correct but it also can be used for great harmony amongst societies aka Scandinavia, Japan, Korea.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"If the Scots leave what border are we going to have ?????

A wall around the entirety of England.

Hopefully.

Hahaha,youre so proud of being scottish yet you choose to live in England,a country you so obviously hate.Youre comedy gold mate."

Your post makes no sense.

Why would anyone live in a country they hate?

I do not hate any country.

Countries are artificial creations that exist only in the minds of a single species.

I do detest xenophobic little nationalists, however, whatever flag they wrap themselves in.

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over a year ago

Wasnt the scots tricked one year in a referendum by the english by promise them things but they didnt keep their promise, was it 2014?

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By *ilkysmooth123Man
over a year ago

nr sedbergh

"If the Scots leave what border are we going to have ?????

A wall around the entirety of England.

Hopefully.

Hahaha,youre so proud of being scottish yet you choose to live in England,a country you so obviously hate.Youre comedy gold mate.

Your post makes no sense.

Why would anyone live in a country they hate?

I do not hate any country.

Countries are artificial creations that exist only in the minds of a single species.

I do detest xenophobic little nationalists, however, whatever flag they wrap themselves in.

Then why would you want a wall put up around England?

If you detest xenophobic little nationalists i can see why you wouldnt want to live in scotland anymore though.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"If the Scots leave what border are we going to have ?????

A wall around the entirety of England.

Hopefully.

Hahaha,youre so proud of being scottish yet you choose to live in England,a country you so obviously hate.Youre comedy gold mate."
Ever thought he might hate scotland? thats why he lives here and wants a wall up.

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By *haverMan
over a year ago

bracknell

Please dont think that if Scotland leaves the union then next day they will be in the EU it will take a while then when they join do you think they will get more out then they put in

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By *ildjianMan
over a year ago

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Could take up to 7 years.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?"

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

As for religion, some Catholics and some Muslims are narrow minded but I wouldn't limit narrow mindedness to just those two religious. However, in my experience, the most narrow minded in any religion tend to be those who don't truly understand the religion or are using the religion as a political tool to further their own ends and those ends are more often than not NATIONALISM.

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"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

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Wow, so religions don't use nationalism to do bad stuff when it suits them (n Ireland) so everything else is only used by bad people to do bad stuff occasionally but nationalism is used by everybody to do bad stuff all the time?.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

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over a year ago

If only we could all convert to one religion and one country with one leader and one language and one currency and one culture.

It would be like a giant harmonious USSR.

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over a year ago

Somebody needs to break the news to the Kurds that they can't have a country because it's dangerous and can ONLY be used for bad things.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

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"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

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Ooh right, how did you end up Catholic by the way?.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

I don't think anything I've said can lead anyone to the conclusion that I believe religion has not used nationalism to further its aims however I think the Irish situation, and Northern Ireland in particular, are definitely not an example of such. In fact quite the opposite is the case in Ireland. The dispute in Ireland has always been between Irish nationalism (republicans) and British nationalism (unionist). Many of the original Irish nationalists were in fact Protestant not Catholic (Theobald Wolfe Tone). Ireland is very much a case of religion being used by both sides to further a nationalist division and to help highlight a division that actually existed for political and economic reasons. If you seriously believe that Gerry Adams and the like are good examples of pious god-fearing Catholics then you clearly know nothing about Catholicism.

I also think that, if you want to argue the cause of nationalism, it would be far more helpful to put forward any positive arguments you have in favour of it rather than trying to put words into mouth that I'm clearly not saying.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

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Yeah England should tell scotland to shut the fuck up.

They are originally an Irish tribe, if they dont like the UK then they can go back to Ireland.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Ooh right, how did you end up Catholic by the way?.

I didn't.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

That's not really born out by any historical facts. The main interaction between Ireland and Great Britain has always been more a Irish-Scottish interaction than an Anglo-Irish one. That's not to say the English don't have culpability but the problem has always been, and largely still remains in Irish and Scottish interactions and history.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Indeed... Oliver MacCromwell was the worst of them.

The famine queen, MacVictoria, and the plantation queen MacElizabeth were the worst of them but there were plenty more of those Scots masquerading as English in our history.

Read a book or two

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

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"Wow, so religions don't use nationalism to do bad stuff when it suits them (n Ireland) so everything else is only used by bad people to do bad stuff occasionally but nationalism is used by everybody to do bad stuff all the time?.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

There is zero religious tension in the Republic of Ireland. The largest churches in Dublin are Church of Ireland (protestant).

Those churches had been seized by the British. Upon independence none of those churches were taken back, none of the people who go to them churches were persecuted. Nothing changed for them at all, because religion had nothing to do with it.

When the whole of Europe was catholic they would still war with each other. Its nothing to do with religion at all.

During world war two, the British were protestant and so were the Germans.

The EU's biggest players the UK and Germany are protestant but Spain, Italy, ireland, France dont mind that. England is leaving even though it give protestants a large voice in the world, because they would rather control themselves than what people who live in germany think, even if those people in germany believe in the same things.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"If only we could all convert to one religion and one country with one leader and one language and one currency and one culture.

It would be like a giant harmonious USSR."

Or one giant UK, but without England at the heart and everyone having a say.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Yeah England should tell scotland to shut the fuck up.

They are originally an Irish tribe, if they dont like the UK then they can go back to Ireland."

Well there is some truth in that but, as the Scots actually moved to Scotland long before the Angles, Saxons, Dukes, Vikings and Normans moved in to any part of the British Isles, I don't see how it helps move anything forward. Throughout most of the British Isles the vast amount of the general population is now descendant from Angles, Saxons, Dukes and Vikings, including Scotland and only slightly less so for Wales and Ireland. The ruling class (the aristocracy) is mostly descendant from Normans, who themselves are descendant from Vikings who are also mostly descendant from Angles, Saxons and Dukes. All this so called nationalism is really just the descendants of pretty much the same people arguing over differences that they've been told exists for political reasons.

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over a year ago

Widnes

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Indeed... Oliver MacCromwell was the worst of them.

The famine queen, MacVictoria, and the plantation queen MacElizabeth were the worst of them but there were plenty more of those Scots masquerading as English in our history.

Read a book or two

I think maybe you should, especially on the causes of the Irish potato famine.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Indeed... Oliver MacCromwell was the worst of them.

The famine queen, MacVictoria, and the plantation queen MacElizabeth were the worst of them but there were plenty more of those Scots masquerading as English in our history.

Read a book or two

I think maybe you should, especially on the causes of the Irish potato famine.

Lol, I'm not sure whether you're ignorant of British, especially English colonial history, or just gullible and believe that well over a million Irish people, died because there was no food available? Food was being exported from Ireland by our English masters while people were dying of starvation.

Check out the penal laws that led to the disaster. Phytophthora infestans killed the potatoes, not the people.

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over a year ago

"If only we could all convert to one religion and one country with one leader and one language and one currency and one culture.

It would be like a giant harmonious USSR.

Or one giant UK, but without England at the heart and everyone having a say."
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oh good God

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over a year ago

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Ooh right, how did you end up Catholic by the way?.

I didn't. "
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So the English didn't convert you and your telling lies?.

Ok got it

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Ooh right, how did you end up Catholic by the way?.

I didn't. .

So the English didn't convert you and your telling lies?.

Ok got it

I shall now take Mark Twain's advice and leave you to your argument.

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over a year ago

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Ooh right, how did you end up Catholic by the way?.

I didn't. .

So the English didn't convert you and your telling lies?.

Ok got it

I shall now take Mark Twain's advice and leave you to your argument.

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Your argument relies on your bitterness to the English, the same argument applies to Ireland's Catholicism, you didn't just all up and convert yourselves now did you?.. no thought not

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Ooh right, how did you end up Catholic by the way?.

I didn't. .

So the English didn't convert you and your telling lies?.

Ok got it

I shall now take Mark Twain's advice and leave you to your argument.

Your argument relies on your bitterness to the English, the same argument applies to Ireland's Catholicism, you didn't just all up and convert yourselves now did you?.. no thought not

I'd love you to tell me what you think you know, and I really hope you copy and paste this whole post because it'll be short otherwise.

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over a year ago

"It's in the interests of the extreme right to sow division and discord not just between the UK and the EU but also between the constituent parts of the UK too.

How is it that when folk lay out Scotland's options it always seems to be a shite choice whichever way they go?

Stand together and you stand with the mad bad English extremists because - make no mistake - it is they that are in Government.

Or don't - and you play into their hands?

What does Britain offer beyond faded empire and hidebound feudality?

I disagree - but you are entitled to that opinion.

The question is however... what suggestions do you have to combat it. Damning nationalism is clearly not working.

This crumbling empire, ruled from a crumbling palace, by crumbling petty nobles is falling. Standing about calling Scots cunt for wanting away from it, isnae gonna fix it.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling Scots or anyone else cunts.

I am calling out the narrow minded self interest and believes that are at the heart of all forms of nationalism.

Religion can be a great harmonising force as well as a great decisive force, I don't see you going around telling all Muslims or Catholics that there narrow minded self interested cunts.

Or maybe you do?

Like I said, I'm not calling anyone a cunt, self interested or otherwise.

Yea I think your what's called bigoted

Might I just remind you that we didn't have a religious problem in Ireland until the English came over to convert us to your religion, or wipe us out in the process.

Ooh right, how did you end up Catholic by the way?.

I didn't. .

So the English didn't convert you and your telling lies?.

Ok got it

I shall now take Mark Twain's advice and leave you to your argument.

Your argument relies on your bitterness to the English, the same argument applies to Ireland's Catholicism, you didn't just all up and convert yourselves now did you?.. no thought not

I'd love you to tell me what you think you know, and I really hope you copy and paste this whole post because it'll be short otherwise.

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Everybody converts, it was the whole point of invading on mass back in those days, the English wasn't the first to convert you and won't be the last.

Those that don't want converting make a stand against it, historically usually they lose, you lost, get over it, I have

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over a year ago

Lucan

I'd love you to tell me what you think you know, and I really hope you copy and paste this whole post because it'll be short otherwise.

Everybody converts, it was the whole point of invading on mass back in those days, the English wasn't the first to convert you and won't be the last.

Those that don't want converting make a stand against it, historically usually they lose, you lost, get over it, I have

Are you trying to invent some historical "facts" that suggest Christianity spread through Ireland as a result of some conquest because there is nothing in Irish history to neck that up.

I think you're the trying to equate that non existent fact somehow with the pogroms by the likes of Cromwell to wipe out the evils of popery which are well documented.

Nah, I think you're having a laugh.

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over a year ago

I'd love you to tell me what you think you know, and I really hope you copy and paste this whole post because it'll be short otherwise.

Everybody converts, it was the whole point of invading on mass back in those days, the English wasn't the first to convert you and won't be the last.

Those that don't want converting make a stand against it, historically usually they lose, you lost, get over it, I have

Are you trying to invent some historical "facts" that suggest Christianity spread through Ireland as a result of some conquest because there is nothing in Irish history to neck that up.

I think you're the trying to equate that non existent fact somehow with the pogroms by the likes of Cromwell to wipe out the evils of popery which are well documented.

Nah, I think you're having a laugh. "
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Yea obviously the Romans never did anything for you

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I saw a fascinating programme hosted by Alice Roberts about the British Isles.

Basically, for most of humanity's existence, these islands were uninhabited.

While Europe was being populated, no-one was interested in settling here.

(It was all one land mass until 8000BC)

It was pretty late in the day, by European standards, before anyone bothered settling here.

Human habitation is very recent, relatively speaking.

The first settlers are thought to have migrated from eastern Europe (I cannot remember the name of them now).

Subsequent generations were overrun repeatedly by marauders who would stay for a while and move on.

The concept of nations that we recognise today is even more recent.

That's why I guffaw whenever I hear someone say that Engishness, or Scottishiness, or whatever is in their DNA. It isn't. It's all bollocks.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I'd love you to tell me what you think you know, and I really hope you copy and paste this whole post because it'll be short otherwise.

Everybody converts, it was the whole point of invading on mass back in those days, the English wasn't the first to convert you and won't be the last.

Those that don't want converting make a stand against it, historically usually they lose, you lost, get over it, I have

Are you trying to invent some historical "facts" that suggest Christianity spread through Ireland as a result of some conquest because there is nothing in Irish history to neck that up.

I think you're the trying to equate that non existent fact somehow with the pogroms by the likes of Cromwell to wipe out the evils of popery which are well documented.

Nah, I think you're having a laugh. .

Yea obviously the Romans never did anything for you

Wait... Are you telling me the Romans invaded Ireland?

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over a year ago

I'd love you to tell me what you think you know, and I really hope you copy and paste this whole post because it'll be short otherwise.

Everybody converts, it was the whole point of invading on mass back in those days, the English wasn't the first to convert you and won't be the last.

Those that don't want converting make a stand against it, historically usually they lose, you lost, get over it, I have

Are you trying to invent some historical "facts" that suggest Christianity spread through Ireland as a result of some conquest because there is nothing in Irish history to neck that up.

I think you're the trying to equate that non existent fact somehow with the pogroms by the likes of Cromwell to wipe out the evils of popery which are well documented.

Nah, I think you're having a laugh. .

Yea obviously the Romans never did anything for you

Wait... Are you telling me the Romans invaded Ireland?

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No they weren't that desperate, they stopped at England and converted them from here, then got the Irish to convert the English!.

Then got a Scotsman sold into slavery in Ireland to convert as an Irish Saint, then spent several hundreds of years converting lots of other Europeans.

The fact that you think the Irish are innocent in the religious converting business shows your ignorance not mine.

The only reason Ireland remains Catholic is because during the reformation nobody in Scotland or England made any serious efforts to convert them.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I'd love you to tell me what you think you know, and I really hope you copy and paste this whole post because it'll be short otherwise.

Everybody converts, it was the whole point of invading on mass back in those days, the English wasn't the first to convert you and won't be the last.

Those that don't want converting make a stand against it, historically usually they lose, you lost, get over it, I have

Are you trying to invent some historical "facts" that suggest Christianity spread through Ireland as a result of some conquest because there is nothing in Irish history to neck that up.

I think you're the trying to equate that non existent fact somehow with the pogroms by the likes of Cromwell to wipe out the evils of popery which are well documented.

Nah, I think you're having a laugh. .

Yea obviously the Romans never did anything for you

Wait... Are you telling me the Romans invaded Ireland?

No they weren't that desperate, they stopped at England and converted them from here, then got the Irish to convert the English!.

Then got a Scotsman sold into slavery in Ireland to convert as an Irish Saint, then spent several hundreds of years converting lots of other Europeans.

The fact that you think the Irish are innocent in the religious converting business shows your ignorance not mine.

The only reason Ireland remains Catholic is because during the reformation nobody in Scotland or England made any serious efforts to convert them.

Fuckin' hell! The old adage about how a little learning is a dangerous thing jumps right out of that.

What was Cromwell at when he came over here?

You still haven't addressed the lack of accounts of genocide involved in the spread of Christianity compared to the accounts of genocide during Cromwell's campaign, and that's without getting into the plantations.

Oh never mind, I'm sure that was all invented by the paddies to get some sympathy.

Rule Britannia and all that jazz.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

Comedy gold!

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before. "

I was born in England but have lived in Scotland for many years. I have always bn made welcome until the months before and after the last referendum. People i knew well were actually very unkind to me as they knew i wanted to remain within the Uk. Not looking forward to this being repeated.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before. "
Worked up there on and off for years you should just go to a pub and watch England play football on the tv against anyone if you want to see hatred and before anyone says its just banter i can assure you its not.

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before. Worked up there on and off for years you should just go to a pub and watch England play football on the tv against anyone if you want to see hatred and before anyone says its just banter i can assure you its not."

Agreed.

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over a year ago

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

It's like how Brexit supporters treat people from EU countries, the parallels continue.

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over a year ago

Gotta love all these English folk telling scotland what to do lol.

Oh wait? Where have I heard that before?

Sorry but unless you actually LIVE in scotland you really shouldn't have an opinion on what we want or dont want.

Again the tories lied saying we had to stay with the sinking ship to stay in the EU..and once again scotland get dragged kicking and screaming into something the scottish people voted against leaving the EU...no matter what scotland vote it's not being heard so surely the only way forward is to leave and rejoin on our own.!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

It's like how Brexit supporters treat people from EU countries, the parallels continue."
what a load of rubbish .

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before. "

Yep.

It's called nationalism.

Or populism.

English hate the Europeans.

Scots hate the English.

If you wanna boil it down it down into stereotypes.

No difference.

I hate being ruled by Brussels = I hate being ruled by Westminster.

Always someone else's fault. Even better if it is a foreigner/English.

Is that the Britain you want to live in?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before.

Yep.

It's called nationalism.

Or populism.

English hate the Europeans.

Scots hate the English.

If you wanna boil it down it down into stereotypes.

No difference.

I hate being ruled by Brussels = I hate being ruled by Westminster.

Always someone else's fault. Even better if it is a foreigner/English.

Is that the Britain you want to live in?

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I dont think English hate europeans well i dont and dont know anyone who does.Just because people don't want to be in the eu it doesn't mean they hate them this is just what remainers use to demonize leavers.

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over a year ago

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before.

Yep.

It's called nationalism.

Or populism.

English hate the Europeans.

Scots hate the English.

If you wanna boil it down it down into stereotypes.

No difference.

I hate being ruled by Brussels = I hate being ruled by Westminster.

Always someone else's fault. Even better if it is a foreigner/English.

Is that the Britain you want to live in?

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I'm scottish and I do not hate the english !

I just dont want to be governed by them.

That's total bullshit to say scottish people hate english.

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over a year ago

I don’t think Scots hate the English, either. What they object to is the English arrogance that infects sport, politics, media and opinions. It’s rife, as can be seen in these forums at times and the Scots rebel against it. That’s entirely different from hating individuals.

As for them not supporting England against another country- you’ll find that’s pretty common from other countries too. Again, it’s based on dislike of arrogance and misplaced confidence

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I don’t think Scots hate the English, either. What they object to is the English arrogance that infects sport, politics, media and opinions. It’s rife, as can be seen in these forums at times and the Scots rebel against it. That’s entirely different from hating individuals.

As for them not supporting England against another country- you’ll find that’s pretty common from other countries too. Again, it’s based on dislike of arrogance and misplaced confidence"

Yes

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I'm scottish and I do not hate the english !

I just dont want to be governed by them.

That's total bullshit to say scottish people hate english.

Yes it is.

But it is stereotypes and there are people who believe in stereotypes because they met someone like that.

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over a year ago

"what a load of rubbish ."

Remind me again why you get a say in these things considering you're not Scottish and even on the Brexit side, you didn't vote, seems like someone just likes being a loudmouth

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before.

Yep.

It's called nationalism.

Or populism.

English hate the Europeans.

Scots hate the English.

If you wanna boil it down it down into stereotypes.

No difference.

I hate being ruled by Brussels = I hate being ruled by Westminster.

Always someone else's fault. Even better if it is a foreigner/English.

Is that the Britain you want to live in?

This is horseshit - and you know it.

Trying to claim every Scots nationalist is some kind of slavering Anglophobe is no more true than saying every immigrant is a scrounging benefit tourist.

And is equally risible

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes it's all bullshit.

My mind is on cock tonight.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"what a load of rubbish .

Remind me again why you get a say in these things considering you're not Scottish and even on the Brexit side, you didn't vote, seems like someone just likes being a loudmouth

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Right so people are not allowed an opinion now and me not being Scottish has nothing to do with the fact that i think you are talking rubbish saying thats how brexit supporters treat people from the eu.No you are right i did not vote in the referendum as was sailing in the Caribbean when it was all going on but turns out i didnt need to as enough people did it for me.

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over a year ago

Have the sound of a true Tory there

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Have the sound of a true Tory there

it would be if it had been my boat unfortunately not

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

As for them not supporting England against another country- you’ll find that’s pretty common from other countries too. Again, it’s based on dislike of arrogance and misplaced confidence

Yes

You say "misplaced confidence" in what way is it misplaced?

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By *ionaScarletTV/TS
over a year ago

Dundee

Wait.. what? Not even 24 hours after I challenged you to do the same for the unionist argument - here you are, stealing my lines?

You're some piece of work son

But I'm game - what arguments would you accept?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I saw some of the SNP delegates being interviewed after the Sturgeon speech yesterday.

What struck me was both their ignorance of what can happen legally and then a level of hatred for the English rarely seen before.

Yep.

It's called nationalism.

Or populism.

English hate the Europeans.

Scots hate the English.

If you wanna boil it down it down into stereotypes.

No difference.

I hate being ruled by Brussels = I hate being ruled by Westminster.

Always someone else's fault. Even better if it is a foreigner/English.

Is that the Britain you want to live in?

I'm scottish and I do not hate the english !

I just dont want to be governed by them.

That's total bullshit to say scottish people hate english.

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And most English don't hate the Scots and get that you want to govern yourselves.

Were with you all the way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for them not supporting England against another country- you’ll find that’s pretty common from other countries too. Again, it’s based on dislike of arrogance and misplaced confidence

Yes

You say "misplaced confidence" in what way is it misplaced?"

Seriously? It’s so obvious I am genuinely wondering.

A ‘for instance’ would be the football World Cup. The commentators had England winning the whole thing two games in. And an absolutely ridiculous line of conversation about beating Germany. 1966 was ever such a long time ago.

That imperialistic tone is what makes them a laughing stock all over the world.

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over a year ago

As for them not supporting England against another country- you’ll find that’s pretty common from other countries too. Again, it’s based on dislike of arrogance and misplaced confidence

Yes

You say "misplaced confidence" in what way is it misplaced?

Seriously? It’s so obvious I am genuinely wondering.

That imperialistic tone is what makes them a laughing stock all over the world."

Love you....just saying likes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Gotta love all these English folk telling scotland what to do lol.

Oh wait? Where have I heard that before?

Sorry but unless you actually LIVE in scotland you really shouldn't have an opinion on what we want or dont want.

Surly anyone is entitled to an opinion whether they live in Scotland, England or anywhere else. It might be right to say that only those living in Scotland should have a say, although I'm not totally convinced that that is truly democratic especially for Scots living elsewhere in the UK who could be quite seriously effected by separation and breakup of the UK, but to deny anyone not currently living in Scotland from even expressing an opinion seems very repressive to me.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Gotta love all these English folk telling scotland what to do lol.

Oh wait? Where have I heard that before?

Sorry but unless you actually LIVE in scotland you really shouldn't have an opinion on what we want or dont want.

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Have to agree with you there had some idiot tell me exactly the same thing yesterday.

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over a year ago

"Gotta love all these English folk telling scotland what to do lol.

Oh wait? Where have I heard that before?

Sorry but unless you actually LIVE in scotland you really shouldn't have an opinion on what we want or dont want.

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so you would be ok with someone coming into your house saying..oh I think you should change the wallpaper?? Seriously? Yeah I'm all for freedom of speech but please the guff that's being talked about from folk that dont live in scotland day to day saying what should happen?? Yes Express an opinion but know the facts 1st?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Gotta love all these English folk telling scotland what to do lol.

Oh wait? Where have I heard that before?

Sorry but unless you actually LIVE in scotland you really shouldn't have an opinion on what we want or dont want.

so you would be ok with someone coming into your house saying..oh I think you should change the wallpaper?? Seriously? Yeah I'm all for freedom of speech but please the guff that's being talked about from folk that dont live in scotland day to day saying what should happen?? Yes Express an opinion but know the facts 1st?"

I don't have the right to tell anyone what wallpaper to have, although if the house is similar to my own I might still have an opinion. However if a neighbour is making significant changes to the exterior of their home I do have an absolute right to not only an opinion but a say also. Bit of a bad analogy really.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Gotta love all these English folk telling scotland what to do lol.

Oh wait? Where have I heard that before?

Sorry but unless you actually LIVE in scotland you really shouldn't have an opinion on what we want or dont want.

Which "facts" is it that you don't think I know that exclude me from having an opinion in nationalism?

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over a year ago

"Gotta love all these English folk telling scotland what to do lol.

Oh wait? Where have I heard that before?

Sorry but unless you actually LIVE in scotland you really shouldn't have an opinion on what we want or dont want.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

There was a case at the Court of Session prior to the 2014 referendum about this.

Someone of Scottish birth, living in Italy, (and a few others, I think) argued they were entitled to a vote.

I think they argued it may change their citizenship status.

They lost.

It was a referendum of the population of Scotland, not a referendum of Scottish people.

I agreed with that.

(I left in 2012, so I did not have a vote, either).

it would be an impossible task anyway to compile an electoral register of non-residents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think your last paragraph sums it up perfectly. Succinct.

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By *addyfuckMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Stop all Minnie's lol,is it yours to stop?little Englander with a pea sized brain

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By *addyfuckMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Scottish independence is entirely a matter for the people of Scotland.

Anyone who would deny Scots their human rights in this issue, who would deny the people of Scotland their democratic rights, is by definition anti-democratic and an abuser.

The SNP has an electoral mandate to call another referendum and the opinion polls currently indicate that the argument would be carried this time.

Recent pro-indy marches have been attracting strong turnouts, including over 200,000 in Edinburgh, despite the rain.

The support level of 45% at the last referendum has remained solid and can only grow for Indy 2, particularly in the wake of brexit and the deficiencies of the status quo in London being exposed, day in, day out.

An independent Scotland will also show England how it should be governing itself, so independence should be a win-win result on both sides of the border. Not so good for the English establishment, however! Change will force them to reform, something they detest.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

I'm proud of my country. My country is the United kingdom.

Having been born, brought up and lived in Scotland for all but a year of my life... piss-up brewery organise in couldn't Scotland.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"I'm proud of my country. My country is the United kingdom.

Having been born, brought up and lived in Scotland for all but a year of my life... piss-up brewery organise in couldn't Scotland.

Im scottish and European not sure what your last sentence was meant to mean ? just a very proud snp supporting scot here,oh and if anyone ever tried to call me british to my face id rip the baws off them lol,roll on independence and a republic of scotland

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

Each to their own. I'd be mortified if someone called me Scottish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Each to their own. I'd be mortified if someone called me Scottish."

I always thought it was Scots not Scottish ?

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

"Each to their own. I'd be mortified if someone called me Scottish.

I always thought it was Scots not Scottish ?"

:eek. Worse.

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

We have too many uncle jocks in Scotland, unfortunately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have too many uncle jocks in Scotland, unfortunately"

Whats an uncle jock ?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"We have too many uncle jocks in Scotland, unfortunately

Whats an uncle jock ?"

Opposite of an auntie Jocelyn

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