FabSwingers.com forum: You aren't racist

By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

I keep getting told that. That it hasn't got any worse. That you were once told something rude so you know what it's like.

You could take some time to listen to this bit I doubt that you will.

I also doubt that you would be able to be honest enough with your self to contemplate the possibility.

However, for what it's worth:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002rkq

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

No comments from those always saying that racism has nothing whatsoever to do with them?

Too much of an investment in time and thought?

Of course it is

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

nope just no ones intrested in your post

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

i think most people aint racist.most peeps are ok with anyone just not arseholes and they come in all sapes sizes and coulors same way decent people come

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"i think most people aint racist.most peeps are ok with anyone just not arseholes and they come in all sapes sizes and coulors same way decent people come"

Did you listen to the programme or are you giving your opinion without having done so?

You don't feel that you need to because you already know all that you need to?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"i think most people aint racist.most peeps are ok with anyone just not arseholes and they come in all sapes sizes and coulors same way decent people come

Did you listen to the programme or are you giving your opinion without having done so?

You don't feel that you need to because you already know all that you need to?"

To be fair to _estival, 28 minutes is quite a long time to have to spend to possibly be told something you already knew or something you're never going to agree with.

For the record I haven't watched it all yet but I do intend to, eventually.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"No comments from those always saying that racism has nothing whatsoever to do with them?

Too much of an investment in time and thought?

Of course it is

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Yep better things to do with my time hence no comment.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"No comments from those always saying that racism has nothing whatsoever to do with them?

Too much of an investment in time and thought?

Of course it is

Yep better things to do with my time hence no comment."

Yet here you are giving an opinion on something that you quite literally have no idea about

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"No comments from those always saying that racism has nothing whatsoever to do with them?

Too much of an investment in time and thought?

Of course it is

Yep better things to do with my time hence no comment.

Yet here you are giving an opinion on something that you quite literally have no idea about

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NO im not giving an opinion on it i was answering your post that there were no comments my comment was a reason why not an opinion.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

i dont have to listen to it as i know im not racist.i have friends of all different backgrounds coulors and religions all decent people.also know some proper cunts of all backgrounds coulours and religions.i tend to treat people as i find them.if there fecent human beings then i will wana get to know them.if they are cunts well they can fuck right off be they black white brown blue or orange

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ll have a listen after work.

I think asking people to listen is more difficult than asking them to watch something.

“Hello privilege .Its me,Chelsea.”

Is an interesting documentary on Netflix.All about how white privilege effects American culture.

It’s over an hour long so not everyone will have the attention span.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at me I'm spwecial

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Racism is everywhere!! Mate of mine went to a zoo in Thailand and had to pay extra because he's white! Another guy i know went for a job at a barber's in town and was refused because he "didn't look Turkish enough"! And don't even get me started about the fella who went for a job as a chef at the local takeaway! You'd think anyone could cook special fried rice, but no only if you're from China apparently! World's gone mad!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I forgot to mention! A mate of mine didn't make it past the first sift in the interview selection because he's "white and straight", terrible really. This needs to stop!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I forgot to mention! A mate of mine didn't make it past the first sift in the interview selection because he's "white and straight", terrible really. This needs to stop!"

Really?

Your mate did not get past the first stage of selection for whatever because he was white and straight?

Do things that happen round you often? Could it be that your mate is a bit militant about the colour of their skin and their sexuality? Could it be that you are making the whole thing up to make a point?

Just asking, because I never asked anyone about their sexuality when I was interviewing potential employees. In fact all I was interested in was their ability to do the job safely and work as part of the team.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

100

100% of humanity are racist in some way,and the political correct gang are the most racist in my view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it coz ayes black

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I take the Avenue Q approach to racism. And that’s we are all a little bit racist.

Once you come to terms with that you can make positive change and understand a bit more.

Those that scream the loudest always seem to have the most to hide.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I take the Avenue Q approach to racism. And that’s we are all a little bit racist.

Once you come to terms with that you can make positive change and understand a bit more.

Those that scream the loudest always seem to have the most to hide. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"100

100% of humanity are racist in some way,and the political correct gang are the most racist in my view.

I'd say that's a view of a racist to justify their own racism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"100

100% of humanity are racist in some way,and the political correct gang are the most racist in my view.

Love this logic.

So if the non-racists are the most racist. Does that mean that the most racist people are in fact not racist.

But if the non-racists are actually racist. Then that means they're back to being racist. Which means they're actually not racist. Which means.......

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"I take the Avenue Q approach to racism. And that’s we are all a little bit racist.

Once you come to terms with that you can make positive change and understand a bit more.

Those that scream the loudest always seem to have the most to hide. "

I think this is the truth of it and is rather the point of the program.

Denying any racist or sexist thoughts is being dishonest with yourself.

I am cautious around black men dressed a certain way, or suspicious of bearded Asian men with ruck sacks on the tube. I am also wary of white men with bald heads and tattoos. I will wonder if 30 year old woman I'm interviewing is going to have a baby.

However, I am aware of these thoughts and make an effort to put them to one side. However, after years I still have to make a continuous effort.

Luckily some people are absolutely not in any way prejudiced or even need to consider the possibility that they might be.

Impressive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had a listen.Thanks easy .

Every day is a school day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I take the Avenue Q approach to racism. And that’s we are all a little bit racist.

Once you come to terms with that you can make positive change and understand a bit more.

Those that scream the loudest always seem to have the most to hide.

I think this is the truth of it and is rather the point of the program.

Denying any racist or sexist thoughts is being dishonest with yourself.

However, I am aware of these thoughts and make an effort to put them to one side. However, after years I still have to make a continuous effort.

Luckily some people are absolutely not in any way prejudiced or even need to consider the possibility that they might be.

Impressive."
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Well done on finally realising your human and subject to evolutionary biological programming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The discussion on the expression “I don’t see you as black” in the podcast was interesting.

The British Psychological society (BPS) did a good job .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think racism is an inherent human condition. It’s programmed into the dna from an age of tribalism and far beyond.

Humans have the intelligence (....) to acknowledge that and change their mindset and when that’s achieved, racism will die.

However, there’s fear of the unknown and for the knuckle draggers amongst us, ethnicity is the only thing seen and not the individual.

It’s about education on ALL sides- it’s not a white-only condition. My hopes for the future on this? Hmmm not high

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think racism is an inherent human condition. It’s programmed into the dna from an age of tribalism and far beyond.

Humans have the intelligence (....) to acknowledge that and change their mindset and when that’s achieved, racism will die.

However, there’s fear of the unknown and for the knuckle draggers amongst us, ethnicity is the only thing seen and not the individual.

It’s about education on ALL sides- it’s not a white-only condition. My hopes for the future on this? Hmmm not high

What did you think of the conversation ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fair question- I confess, I have not had time to watch the whole hour. Others on the thread have also written the same as me.

Much as Easy’s post, I accept I’m inherently racist but I look beyond stereotypes and see individuals rather than masses. I work in multi-ethnic workplaces, all around the world and come from a country settled by white Europeans (mainly from the UK) so am aware I am an in-comer in every country I work in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t often listen to podcasts and prefer a visual medium.

The podcast is an interesting listen that easy put up.

It acknowledges it’s an awkward conversation but a necessary and enlightening one.

The Netflix documentary is more focused on America and it’s history and where it is today.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I think the term, racist, may need redefining.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining."
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We moved away from racialising sections of society decades ago and it all looked to be going in the right direction until leftists decided to light the fire of identity politics, hopefully it will only be short lived and most will see through the usual Marxist nonsense that gets thrown out every few generations.

It's the teenagers I fear for as they have no past experience to guide them so buy into this bollocks of "identity" defining you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining."

Did you think the conversation was interesting and is that what you took from it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining.

Did you think the conversation was interesting and is that what you took from it."
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You'd have to, the OP even acknowledges it!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When he wrote this "I am cautious around black men dressed a certain way, or suspicious of bearded Asian men with ruck sacks on the tube. I am also wary of white men with bald heads and tattoos. I will wonder if 30 year old woman I'm interviewing is going to have a baby".

None of that is about race, it's about stereotypes of certain sections of certain races, if you think this is about racism then we're going to have to redefine racism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

There's enough in the popular media telling everyone they're racist and trying to find more racism where there probably isn't any.

I agree that those who virtue signal the loudest and are the first to bring racism up in a debate, are more likely to be racist themselves ("it's not their fault they have the misfortune of being black")

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's enough in the popular media telling everyone they're racist and trying to find more racism where there probably isn't any.

You would enjoy the podcast and the documentary with comedian.

Its worth a listen .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining..

It's the teenagers I fear for as they have no past experience to guide them so buy into this bollocks of "identity" defining you."

So where do the Brexiteers fit into your worldview? There was that poster of refugees queuing to get in that conveniently pasted a logo over the one white face in the queue. Was that marxism writ large? Any thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining..

It's the teenagers I fear for as they have no past experience to guide them so buy into this bollocks of "identity" defining you.

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Yes it fits in perfectly with leftist identity politics, the trouble with leftists is there such utter morons and desperate for power they never really think through their ideas to the logical conclusion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining..

It's the teenagers I fear for as they have no past experience to guide them so buy into this bollocks of "identity" defining you.

No you've lost me now....that makes no sense....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining..

It's the teenagers I fear for as they have no past experience to guide them so buy into this bollocks of "identity" defining you.

No you've lost me now....that makes no sense....

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For a few decades now the left have been ploughing on with identity politics, your gay you vote X because being gay is all you are, your black you vote X because being black is what your about, your a woman you vote X because your oppressed like all these other marginals etc etc and on and on they go group by group identity by identity.

So now we're left with straight white males as the largest but fastly shrinking identity, add to that working class and your pretty much fair game to everybody in the media, racist, xenophobe, stupid, ignorant, scum... All words been used to describe them.

But have no fear, somebody will appear to rally them, lead them, I'm sure it will work out just dandy

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"i dont have to listen to it as i know im not racist.i have friends of all different backgrounds coulors and religions all decent people.also know some proper cunts of all backgrounds coulours and religions.i tend to treat people as i find them.if there fecent human beings then i will wana get to know them.if they are cunts well they can fuck right off be they black white brown blue or orange"
Perfect

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"When he wrote this "I am cautious around black men dressed a certain way, or suspicious of bearded Asian men with ruck sacks on the tube. I am also wary of white men with bald heads and tattoos. I will wonder if 30 year old woman I'm interviewing is going to have a baby".

None of that is about race, it's about stereotypes of certain sections of certain races, if you think this is about racism then we're going to have to redefine racism."

A stereotype based on how someone looks is not racism?

Please don't try to apeak for me and please, please stop trying so hard to sound clever

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining..

It's the teenagers I fear for as they have no past experience to guide them so buy into this bollocks of "identity" defining you."

Did you listen to the podcast?

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"There's enough in the popular media telling everyone they're racist and trying to find more racism where there probably isn't any.

What does this mean?

You have no prejudice? At all?

Completely dishonest.

Those who acknowledge some level of racism and try to do something about it are racist?

Did you listen to the podcast?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of that is about race, it's about stereotypes of certain sections of certain races, if you think this is about racism then we're going to have to redefine racism.

A stereotype based on how someone looks is not racism?

Please don't try to apeak for me and please, please stop trying so hard to sound clever

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Ok your clever because you've listened to a BBC podcast, my mistake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just say `im not racist I just hate everyone`

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By *rufinWoman
over a year ago

notts

Interesting podcast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining..

It's the teenagers I fear for as they have no past experience to guide them so buy into this bollocks of "identity" defining you.

No you've lost me now....that makes no sense....

But have no fear, somebody will appear to rally them, lead them, I'm sure it will work out just dandy

So for years I have known gay and non white people who are not remotely left wing and are quite happy to make as much money as they possibly can (sometimes using their identity as a springboard but mostly getting on with their lives) and they tend to find they have definitions thrust upon them by the media which dont help normalise who they are. Its a bit like the Brexiteers being told they are victims of an evil empire

Ps one of my neighbours sons is half french pro brexit and gay as can be so go figure that one out....having said that he did go to one of the big public schools in Bristol so perhaps prejudice runs true in his case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the term, racist, may need redefining..

It's the teenagers I fear for as they have no past experience to guide them so buy into this bollocks of "identity" defining you.

No you've lost me now....that makes no sense....

But have no fear, somebody will appear to rally them, lead them, I'm sure it will work out just dandy

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I myself know a gay disabled albino Romanian Gypsy albatross that votes for Xmas so negates everything I wrote.

Crazy days

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

None of that is about race, it's about stereotypes of certain sections of certain races, if you think this is about racism then we're going to have to redefine racism.

A stereotype based on how someone looks is not racism?

Please don't try to apeak for me and please, please stop trying so hard to sound clever

Ok your clever because you've listened to a BBC podcast, my mistake

I have an opinion on the podcast because I listened to the podcast.

Why do you have an opinion on it?

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By *rufinWoman
over a year ago

notts

It was an interesting listen. Many crossovers in my mind with sexism. I haven't heard critiques of un conscious bias training before but it makes sense, and of course the link to structural changes being needed, perhaps even rather than trying to change opinions. It also made me think of the growing role of AI in our (working) lives and the inbuilt bias we are finding in those computer programmes - a step in the wrong direction.

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By *rufinWoman
over a year ago

notts

(The forum bans the word un conscious ... didn't know that)

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"It was an interesting listen. Many crossovers in my mind with sexism. I haven't heard critiques of un conscious bias training before but it makes sense, and of course the link to structural changes being needed, perhaps even rather than trying to change opinions. It also made me think of the growing role of AI in our (working) lives and the inbuilt bias we are finding in those computer programmes - a step in the wrong direction."

I agree. Racism and sexism are similar. The only difference is that most men want sex with women so dress their sexism up.

There is an interesting TED talk on accidentally embedding prejudice in AI.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Un conscious bias!.

The bogey man's bogey man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a crock of middle class psychobabble shit.

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By *rufinWoman
over a year ago

notts

"What a crock of middle class psychobabble shit.

Excellent ironic reference to the podcast and the kinds of people who are sent on the training programmes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a crock of middle class psychobabble shit.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I've just read the whole thread.

Apart from an odd sensible post, the rest is the most self indulgent middle class psychobabble I've ever read.

FFS OP. Get over yourself.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"I've just read the whole thread.

Apart from an odd sensible post, the rest is the most self indulgent middle class psychobabble I've ever read.

FFS OP. Get over yourself."

Listen to the podcast did you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just read the whole thread.

Apart from an odd sensible post, the rest is the most self indulgent middle class psychobabble I've ever read.

FFS OP. Get over yourself.

Listen to the podcast did you?"
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There hesitant in case it's middle class tits talking shit, not that we think that of you

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"I've just read the whole thread.

Apart from an odd sensible post, the rest is the most self indulgent middle class psychobabble I've ever read.

FFS OP. Get over yourself.

Listen to the podcast did you?"

No I didn't because this thread had clogged up my bullshit filters.

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By *rufinWoman
over a year ago

notts

"I've just read the whole thread.

Apart from an odd sensible post, the rest is the most self indulgent middle class psychobabble I've ever read.

FFS OP. Get over yourself.

Listen to the podcast did you?

No I didn't because this thread had clogged up my bullshit filters."

Interestingly, the podcast covered this response.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"I've just read the whole thread.

Apart from an odd sensible post, the rest is the most self indulgent middle class psychobabble I've ever read.

FFS OP. Get over yourself.

Listen to the podcast did you?.

There hesitant in case it's middle class tits talking shit, not that we think that of you

Did you listen to the podcast?

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"I just say `im not racist I just hate everyone`

This demonstrates a level of self-knowledge that I can respect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm just racist sexist and homophobic it's just easier for tick boxing

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I'm just racist sexist and homophobic it's just easier for tick boxing

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yes a lot easier than saying you're not as someone will always find a way to say you are even if you are not.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"I'm just racist sexist and homophobic it's just easier for tick boxing

yes a lot easier than saying you're not as someone will always find a way to say you are even if you are not.

Did you listen to the podcast?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I'm just racist sexist and homophobic it's just easier for tick boxing

yes a lot easier than saying you're not as someone will always find a way to say you are even if you are not.

Did you listen to the podcast?"
No not interested in those sort of debates.

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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago

West London

"I'm just racist sexist and homophobic it's just easier for tick boxing

yes a lot easier than saying you're not as someone will always find a way to say you are even if you are not.

Did you listen to the podcast?No not interested in those sort of debates."

QED

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