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"Papers that the Govt wanted to be kept secret have been released in Court today. Boris Johnson has undertaken to fully respect the Benn Act in Court and said that he will ask the EU for an extension. Yet in public he still says that he would rather be dead in a ditch. Is anything this guy says believable? " No. Well, actually I believe all the stuff he is on record as saying in the past about the tactics he uses to trick people into believing the crap that comes out of his mouth. | |||
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" Is anything this guy says believable? " No. His entire career has been built on fabrication after fabrication. | |||
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"Papers that the Govt wanted to be kept secret have been released in Court today. Boris Johnson has undertaken to fully respect the Benn Act in Court and said that he will ask the EU for an extension. Yet in public he still says that he would rather be dead in a ditch. Is anything this guy says believable? " On past experience, not really. | |||
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"You can say that about all politicians tho I can’t remember last time I see one answer a straight question on question time " Politicians have always been good at avoiding answering questions. But Boris is in a league if his own with out and out lying. | |||
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"beggars belief a person so inept in his previous jobs could become the pm.i feel sorry for the deluded tory supporters that voted him in they must be shaking there head in disbelief at his record in office " Or maybe he was elected just because he is inept. Because Brexit is not to happen. | |||
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"beggars belief a person so inept in his previous jobs could become the pm.i feel sorry for the deluded tory supporters that voted him in they must be shaking there head in disbelief at his record in office Or maybe he was elected just because he is inept. Because Brexit is not to happen. " How do you mean? | |||
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"So, whether you think BREXIT is the best thing since sliced bread, the worst thing since the bubonic plague or somewhere in between, can we all now agree that, as Johnson's deal has already been pretty much rejected by Ireland & EU, and there is also zero chance of the EU rejecting a request for an Article 50 extension, we won't be leaving the EU this October? With that now clear can we now start talking about where we go from here?" I think we should all head out for fish and chips.... “I’m not saying there wasn’t a democratic mandate for Brexit at the time. I’m just saying if I narrowly decided to order fish at a restaurant that was known for chicken, but said it was happy to offer fish, and so far I’ve been waiting three hours, and two chefs who promised to cook the fish had quit, and the third one is promising to deliver the fish in the next five minutes whether it’s cooked or not, or indeed still alive, and all the waiting staff have spent the last few hours arguing amongst themselves about whether I wanted battered cod, grilled salmon, jellied eels or dolphin kebabs, and if large parts of the restaurant appeared to be on fire but no-one was paying attention to it because they were all arguing about fish, I would quite like, just once, to be asked if I definitely still wanted the fish.” | |||
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"No and his end is very close   "I don't think so | |||
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"so you all believe him now? i thought you all thought he was a compulsive liar. "Believe what? | |||
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"Papers that the Govt wanted to be kept secret have been released in Court today. Boris Johnson has undertaken to fully respect the Benn Act in Court and said that he will ask the EU for an extension. Yet in public he still says that he would rather be dead in a ditch. Is anything this guy says believable? " Watch this pace all part of the game,he will have a plan to leave without breaking the law.I worked it out a while ago. | |||
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"MPs supposedly talk to foreign governments about implementing the will of the UK Parliament and they are branded traitors and quislings by the Brextremists. Johnson supposedly in talks with the Hungarian government about thwarting the will of the UK Parliament and the Brextremists think he is playing a blinder. Fookin' hypocrites. " Of course Boris has an ally with the far right ethno nationalist . No news here.A white Christian homeland is the high on the agenda for Hungary .Oban and Boris are both birds of a feather racists. | |||
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"You lot are unbelievable. You don't take your strongest negotiating point off the table. No deal is our strongest tool in this process. Unfortunately, most of parliament, campaigners and the like are far too thick to know or undersrand this. " I'm not sure if you're for real or not. Do you genuinely believe that threatening to cripple our own country is the "strongest negotiating point"? Even if that's true. What a sorry state of affairs. | |||
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"You lot are unbelievable. You don't take your strongest negotiating point off the table. No deal is our strongest tool in this process. Unfortunately, most of parliament, campaigners and the like are far too thick to know or undersrand this. " The farcical case brought by Dale, maughan and cherry at the Scottish court in recent days being a perfect example | |||
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"You lot are unbelievable. You don't take your strongest negotiating point off the table. No deal is our strongest tool in this process. Unfortunately, most of parliament, campaigners and the like are far too thick to know or undersrand this. " Yes, we hold all the cards, don't we? That's a really great card to play - give us what we want or we'll blow our brains out. | |||
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"You lot are unbelievable. You don't take your strongest negotiating point off the table. No deal is our strongest tool in this process. Unfortunately, most of parliament, campaigners and the like are far too thick to know or undersrand this. Yes, we hold all the cards, don't we? That's a really great card to play - give us what we want or we'll blow our brains out. " My point is proved It is virtually just as damaging to the EU, they are shit scared of no deal. | |||
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"You lot are unbelievable. You don't take your strongest negotiating point off the table. No deal is our strongest tool in this process. Unfortunately, most of parliament, campaigners and the like are far too thick to know or undersrand this. " That only works where the other side are prepared to budge on big issues...the EU and Ireland will not concede on the back stop..therefore no negotiation. | |||
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"You lot are unbelievable. You don't take your strongest negotiating point off the table. No deal is our strongest tool in this process. Unfortunately, most of parliament, campaigners and the like are far too thick to know or undersrand this. Yes, we hold all the cards, don't we? That's a really great card to play - give us what we want or we'll blow our brains out. My point is proved It is virtually just as damaging to the EU, they are shit scared of no deal."Like the Brexit God’s who you worship, you have not really thought this through have you? Firstly let’s just take about international obligations - lawful or otherwise. The U.K. has of its own volition decided to leave the EU. OK so that is no problem but for two reasons that departure needs to be as smooth and orderly as possible. 1) Ethically we can’t just go around pissing on everyone else’s fire just because we have decided to leave the party. We have decided to leave and it is just wholly correct that we leave without causing anyone else any pain or discomfort. Let’s take Ireland as an example... They were not party to our decision and therefore we should not be clubbing them over the head because the EU will not allow us to break their rules. 2) Most importantly though is that leaving the EU is not really what is going to be important to the UK in the mid and longer term. What will be important is a trade deal with our closest and largest trading partner. If we are kicking them in bollocks every time they refuse to break their rules now and we are only leaving - how much do you think they may extract in return when it comes to the actual trade deal? | |||
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"beggars belief a person so inept in his previous jobs could become the pm.i feel sorry for the deluded tory supporters that voted him in they must be shaking there head in disbelief at his record in office Or maybe he was elected just because he is inept. Because Brexit is not to happen. " Exactly this. The government doesn't want Brexit, never has, never will. | |||
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"The most important thing about any negotiation is to understand the other side's needs and priorities. The single market has a value of $22trillion. Brexit splits that into two markets - one worth $3 trillion and one worth $19 trillion. With barriers between the two. Ask any producer in the single market which of these markets is more important to them and the answer is obvious. For the politicians, holding that $19 trillion market together is the priority, because it is by far the more valuable one for their own producers. " its not only that the eu want the uk to stay so to keep getting the contributions.With the likes of Macedonia,Montenegro,Albania and Serbia waiting to join other countries will have to pay more and some such as poland,greece,spain will have to become contributors instead of receivers.The next round of 7 year spending plans are coming up again and without the uk money there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. | |||
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"The most important thing about any negotiation is to understand the other side's needs and priorities. The single market has a value of $22trillion. Brexit splits that into two markets - one worth $3 trillion and one worth $19 trillion. With barriers between the two. Ask any producer in the single market which of these markets is more important to them and the answer is obvious. For the politicians, holding that $19 trillion market together is the priority, because it is by far the more valuable one for their own producers. its not only that the eu want the uk to stay so to keep getting the contributions.With the likes of Macedonia,Montenegro,Albania and Serbia waiting to join other countries will have to pay more and some such as poland,greece,spain will have to become contributors instead of receivers.The next round of 7 year spending plans are coming up again and without the uk money there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. " This is the union. Stronger countries help the weaker ones develop economically. It all adds up to a strong EU economy. | |||
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"The most important thing about any negotiation is to understand the other side's needs and priorities. The single market has a value of $22trillion. Brexit splits that into two markets - one worth $3 trillion and one worth $19 trillion. With barriers between the two. Ask any producer in the single market which of these markets is more important to them and the answer is obvious. For the politicians, holding that $19 trillion market together is the priority, because it is by far the more valuable one for their own producers. its not only that the eu want the uk to stay so to keep getting the contributions.With the likes of Macedonia,Montenegro,Albania and Serbia waiting to join other countries will have to pay more and some such as poland,greece,spain will have to become contributors instead of receivers.The next round of 7 year spending plans are coming up again and without the uk money there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. " You miss the point I was trying to make. The politicians and businesses in the EU are in agreement. The UK cannot have terms as a non-member that undermine the raison d'être for being a member. If the UK is seen to get the benefits of membership without being a member, other countries will want the same and the single market quickly falls to pieces. That $19 trillion market evaporates. Now, ask any business, would they risk a market worth $19tn in order to satisfy the needs of one worth $3tn? No, and neither will the politicians. Which is why these arguments about German car-makers, for example, are a complete fabrication of Brextremists - Merkel and the car-makers have an agreement that the single market comes first. | |||
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"The most important thing about any negotiation is to understand the other side's needs and priorities. The single market has a value of $22trillion. Brexit splits that into two markets - one worth $3 trillion and one worth $19 trillion. With barriers between the two. Ask any producer in the single market which of these markets is more important to them and the answer is obvious. For the politicians, holding that $19 trillion market together is the priority, because it is by far the more valuable one for their own producers. its not only that the eu want the uk to stay so to keep getting the contributions.With the likes of Macedonia,Montenegro,Albania and Serbia waiting to join other countries will have to pay more and some such as poland,greece,spain will have to become contributors instead of receivers.The next round of 7 year spending plans are coming up again and without the uk money there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. You miss the point I was trying to make. The politicians and businesses in the EU are in agreement. The UK cannot have terms as a non-member that undermine the raison d'être for being a member. If the UK is seen to get the benefits of membership without being a member, other countries will want the same and the single market quickly falls to pieces. That $19 trillion market evaporates. Now, ask any business, would they risk a market worth $19tn in order to satisfy the needs of one worth $3tn? No, and neither will the politicians. Which is why these arguments about German car-makers, for example, are a complete fabrication of Brextremists - Merkel and the car-makers have an agreement that the single market comes first. " You make it sound like the UK should stay in an abusive relationship for the good of the family! Not the best advert for remaining! | |||
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"The most important thing about any negotiation is to understand the other side's needs and priorities. The single market has a value of $22trillion. Brexit splits that into two markets - one worth $3 trillion and one worth $19 trillion. With barriers between the two. Ask any producer in the single market which of these markets is more important to them and the answer is obvious. For the politicians, holding that $19 trillion market together is the priority, because it is by far the more valuable one for their own producers. its not only that the eu want the uk to stay so to keep getting the contributions.With the likes of Macedonia,Montenegro,Albania and Serbia waiting to join other countries will have to pay more and some such as poland,greece,spain will have to become contributors instead of receivers.The next round of 7 year spending plans are coming up again and without the uk money there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. You miss the point I was trying to make. The politicians and businesses in the EU are in agreement. The UK cannot have terms as a non-member that undermine the raison d'être for being a member. If the UK is seen to get the benefits of membership without being a member, other countries will want the same and the single market quickly falls to pieces. That $19 trillion market evaporates. Now, ask any business, would they risk a market worth $19tn in order to satisfy the needs of one worth $3tn? No, and neither will the politicians. Which is why these arguments about German car-makers, for example, are a complete fabrication of Brextremists - Merkel and the car-makers have an agreement that the single market comes first. " The german economy is shrinking and merkel is on her last legs the car makers are not in agreement theres just fuck all they can do about it. | |||
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"The most important thing about any negotiation is to understand the other side's needs and priorities. The single market has a value of $22trillion. Brexit splits that into two markets - one worth $3 trillion and one worth $19 trillion. With barriers between the two. Ask any producer in the single market which of these markets is more important to them and the answer is obvious. For the politicians, holding that $19 trillion market together is the priority, because it is by far the more valuable one for their own producers. its not only that the eu want the uk to stay so to keep getting the contributions.With the likes of Macedonia,Montenegro,Albania and Serbia waiting to join other countries will have to pay more and some such as poland,greece,spain will have to become contributors instead of receivers.The next round of 7 year spending plans are coming up again and without the uk money there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. This is the union. Stronger countries help the weaker ones develop economically. It all adds up to a strong EU economy. " No mate they just need more cheap labour (like your country was a few years ago)to keep the wages down. | |||
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" The german economy is shrinking and merkel is on her last legs the car makers are not in agreement theres just fuck all they can do about it." We can disagree about that. Merkel and the manufacturers reached an understanding very early on. How to mitigate the threat that Brexit posed to the single market. It doesn't even up come up now in their conversations. | |||
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"The most important thing about any negotiation is to understand the other side's needs and priorities. The single market has a value of $22trillion. Brexit splits that into two markets - one worth $3 trillion and one worth $19 trillion. With barriers between the two. Ask any producer in the single market which of these markets is more important to them and the answer is obvious. For the politicians, holding that $19 trillion market together is the priority, because it is by far the more valuable one for their own producers. its not only that the eu want the uk to stay so to keep getting the contributions.With the likes of Macedonia,Montenegro,Albania and Serbia waiting to join other countries will have to pay more and some such as poland,greece,spain will have to become contributors instead of receivers.The next round of 7 year spending plans are coming up again and without the uk money there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. You miss the point I was trying to make. The politicians and businesses in the EU are in agreement. The UK cannot have terms as a non-member that undermine the raison d'être for being a member. If the UK is seen to get the benefits of membership without being a member, other countries will want the same and the single market quickly falls to pieces. That $19 trillion market evaporates. Now, ask any business, would they risk a market worth $19tn in order to satisfy the needs of one worth $3tn? No, and neither will the politicians. Which is why these arguments about German car-makers, for example, are a complete fabrication of Brextremists - Merkel and the car-makers have an agreement that the single market comes first. You make it sound like the UK should stay in an abusive relationship for the good of the family! Not the best advert for remaining!" Where do you get the "abusive relationship" from? I've read it a few times now and cannot see it. | |||
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"MPs supposedly talk to foreign governments about implementing the will of the UK Parliament and they are branded traitors and quislings by the Brextremists. Johnson supposedly in talks with the Hungarian government about thwarting the will of the UK Parliament and the Brextremists think he is playing a blinder. Fookin' hypocrites. " You couldn’t make it up could you? Like the Supreme Court thing. They wanted us to take back control of our sovereignty and be able to uphold UK law, and then bitch about when that is seen to be happening. Other than something vague, I’m still waiting after three years for someone to tell me a single law the E.U. has forced upon us, that anyone would actually disagree with. | |||
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"The most important thing about any negotiation is to understand the other side's needs and priorities. The single market has a value of $22trillion. Brexit splits that into two markets - one worth $3 trillion and one worth $19 trillion. With barriers between the two. Ask any producer in the single market which of these markets is more important to them and the answer is obvious. For the politicians, holding that $19 trillion market together is the priority, because it is by far the more valuable one for their own producers. its not only that the eu want the uk to stay so to keep getting the contributions.With the likes of Macedonia,Montenegro,Albania and Serbia waiting to join other countries will have to pay more and some such as poland,greece,spain will have to become contributors instead of receivers.The next round of 7 year spending plans are coming up again and without the uk money there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. You miss the point I was trying to make. The politicians and businesses in the EU are in agreement. The UK cannot have terms as a non-member that undermine the raison d'être for being a member. If the UK is seen to get the benefits of membership without being a member, other countries will want the same and the single market quickly falls to pieces. That $19 trillion market evaporates. Now, ask any business, would they risk a market worth $19tn in order to satisfy the needs of one worth $3tn? No, and neither will the politicians. Which is why these arguments about German car-makers, for example, are a complete fabrication of Brextremists - Merkel and the car-makers have an agreement that the single market comes first. You make it sound like the UK should stay in an abusive relationship for the good of the family! Not the best advert for remaining!" Those are your words, not the argument being put forward by anyone else. How exactly is remaining in the E.U. like being in an abusive relationship? | |||
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"A Johnson extension...where do I get me one of those "He has to by law but he can ask in such a way the EU says no | |||
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"A Johnson extension...where do I get me one of those He has to by law but he can ask in such a way the EU says no"No, actually he can't. Any attempt to undermine the ruling of a court or to act in anyway other than in good faith when complying could and would be an act of contempt against the court. Johnson has no choice and he must comply in good faith. | |||
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"A Johnson extension...where do I get me one of those He has to by law but he can ask in such a way the EU says no"What sort of way would that be? | |||
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"We are leaving anyone who think differently are living in cuckoo cuckoo land. 1 he can ask for a 24hr extension lol 2 A50 over rules any UK law as European law is above UK law, you remainers like that so bens law means shit lol " It’s quite literally difficult to argue with that.  | |||
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"We are leaving anyone who think differently are living in cuckoo cuckoo land. 1 he can ask for a 24hr extension lol 2 A50 over rules any UK law as European law is above UK law, you remainers like that so bens law means shit lol It’s quite literally difficult to argue with that. "But legally, it's total rubbish. | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own." I could see why you might think that. But a closer look shows that one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else. The other has information, facts, and logic. | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. I could see why you might think that. But a closer look shows that one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else. The other has information, facts, and logic." ^ This. Absolutely this. I don’t buy this notion that ‘both sides are as bad as one another’, at all. | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. I could see why you might think that. But a closer look shows that one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else. The other has information, facts, and logic. ^ This. Absolutely this. I don’t buy this notion that ‘both sides are as bad as one another’, at all." And I could add that the reason it's so frustrating is around how this vote based on lies effects everyone. If leavers were the only people to suffer through brexit, lose their jobs, lose their rights in the work place, be poorer while the elite get to make money from the fall in the value of sterling and continue to avoid taxes, pay hiked food prices, struggle to get their medication, eat meat and dairy pumped to steroids and hormones from the states, lose their freedom to work anywhere in the EU, lose protection for the environment and all the other safety standards. That would be sad. But it's all of us who have to suffer this, purely to benefit a few rich dickheads who are playing a game of who can make the most money. | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own." Can’t argue with that | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. Can’t argue with that "But apparently you can point out that “one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else”. And that “the other has information, facts, and logic.” Which is kinda close.  | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. Can’t argue with that
But apparently you can point out that “one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else”. And that “the other has information, facts, and logic.”
Which is kinda close. "Your words Not mine | |||
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"We are leaving anyone who think differently are living in cuckoo cuckoo land. 1 he can ask for a 24hr extension lol 2 A50 over rules any UK law as European law is above UK law, you remainers like that so bens law means shit lol It’s quite literally difficult to argue with that. "The Act is clear. If he complies with it in a way that also seeks to frustrate it, he will be found to be acting unlawfully. Again. This may come down to Queenie ordering his removal from office by PC Plod | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. Can’t argue with that
But apparently you can point out that “one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else”. And that “the other has information, facts, and logic.”
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"We are leaving anyone who think differently are living in cuckoo cuckoo land. 1 he can ask for a 24hr extension lol 2 A50 over rules any UK law as European law is above UK law, you remainers like that so bens law means shit lol It’s quite literally difficult to argue with that.
The Act is clear. If he complies with it in a way that also seeks to frustrate it, he will be found to be acting unlawfully. Again.
This may come down to Queenie ordering his removal from office by PC Plod "Do you think karma dictates that the utter shit of the last three years has earned us something as wonderfully glorious as that actually happening? | |||
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"We are leaving anyone who think differently are living in cuckoo cuckoo land. 1 he can ask for a 24hr extension lol 2 A50 over rules any UK law as European law is above UK law, you remainers like that so bens law means shit lol It’s quite literally difficult to argue with that.
The Act is clear. If he complies with it in a way that also seeks to frustrate it, he will be found to be acting unlawfully. Again.
This may come down to Queenie ordering his removal from office by PC Plod "Labour keep telling us what they don't won but not what they want . Any deal put to parliament labour will shoot down hoping to get power wankers | |||
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"We are leaving anyone who think differently are living in cuckoo cuckoo land. 1 he can ask for a 24hr extension lol 2 A50 over rules any UK law as European law is above UK law, you remainers like that so bens law means shit lol It’s quite literally difficult to argue with that.
The Act is clear. If he complies with it in a way that also seeks to frustrate it, he will be found to be acting unlawfully. Again.
This may come down to Queenie ordering his removal from office by PC Plod
Labour keep telling us what they don't won but not what they want . Any deal put to parliament labour will shoot down hoping to get power wankers "So is any part opposition party who wants to be in government full of wankers, or just Labour? | |||
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"We are leaving anyone who think differently are living in cuckoo cuckoo land. 1 he can ask for a 24hr extension lol 2 A50 over rules any UK law as European law is above UK law, you remainers like that so bens law means shit lol " You can find out real facts you know....like the one that EU law only applies to EU business and does not override the laws of this country in any other way....but then again even that is probably too much for your blinkered views. Maybe you are just hoping that by getting out of the EU everybody will holiday in Britain from now on and Weston will boom again! Good luck with that | |||
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" This may come down to Queenie ordering his removal from office by PC Plod Labour keep telling us what they don't won but not what they want . Any deal put to parliament labour will shoot down hoping to get power wankers " Aint buying any of that. This whole clusterfuck has been conceived, delivered and owned entirely by the Conservative Party. No-one else. It's their policy, it's their administration. And it's their incompetence from start to finish. | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. I could see why you might think that. But a closer look shows that one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else. The other has information, facts, and logic." but facts and logic and hope and faith are not tolerance are they, both sides no matter which one, still believes only they are correct and the other side isn't, both sides just try to batter the other down with there holier than thou approach. | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. I could see why you might think that. But a closer look shows that one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else. The other has information, facts, and logic.but facts and logic and hope and faith are not tolerance are they, both sides no matter which one, still believes only they are correct and the other side isn't, both sides just try to batter the other down with there holier than thou approach." I would say one side, more than the other, tries to reasonably and patiently make arguments based on information, facts and logic. | |||
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"He has no choice but to ask for another extension if there is no deal they made it law." I thought they also made it law that we were leaving on 29th March? Seems that the HoP is very selective when it comes to which laws it wants to obey | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. I could see why you might think that. But a closer look shows that one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else. The other has information, facts, and logic.but facts and logic and hope and faith are not tolerance are they, both sides no matter which one, still believes only they are correct and the other side isn't, both sides just try to batter the other down with there holier than thou approach. I would say one side, more than the other, tries to reasonably and patiently make arguments based on information, facts and logic." facts and logic is used maybe but am afraid I can't agree with u when u say reasonably and patiently at all. | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. " How sad is that the brexit extremists need the help of far right christian ethno nationalists...That’s a stain that won’t wash out... | |||
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"I don't get these remoaners, one minute they're telling us how we shouldn't leave the EU because we'll lose money if we walk away from this multi-£trillion market, then the next they're leading an anti capitalism march through Trafalgar square! "Is it the same people then? Oh, what’s a “remoaner”? | |||
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"Personally think both the brextremists and the remainiacs act like they are in sects on this site, no one appears to have much tolerance with anyones view which doesn't conform to there own. I could see why you might think that. But a closer look shows that one side of the argument has faith, hope and nothing else. The other has information, facts, and logic.but facts and logic and hope and faith are not tolerance are they, both sides no matter which one, still believes only they are correct and the other side isn't, both sides just try to batter the other down with there holier than thou approach. I would say one side, more than the other, tries to reasonably and patiently make arguments based on information, facts and logic.facts and logic is used maybe but am afraid I can't agree with u when u say reasonably and patiently at all." I would definitely say more than the other side. Precisely because that side has information, facts and logic. In my experience generally, the other side is, more often than not, the side that gets flustered precisely because those things are often lacking. | |||
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"He has no choice but to ask for another extension if there is no deal they made it law. I thought they also made it law that we were leaving on 29th March? Seems that the HoP is very selective when it comes to which laws it wants to obey" Source? | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. How sad is that the brexit extremists need the help of far right christian ethno nationalists...That’s a stain that won’t wash out... "I remember some contributors in here back in March being convinced that Viktor Orbán was such a chum of Farage he would do him a favour and block the extension at the Council of Ministers. Er, no. | |||
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"He has no choice but to ask for another extension if there is no deal they made it law. I thought they also made it law that we were leaving on 29th March? Seems that the HoP is very selective when it comes to which laws it wants to obey" No, the law was amended before March 29 to delay the date. | |||
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"I don't get these remoaners, one minute they're telling us how we shouldn't leave the EU because we'll lose money if we walk away from this multi-£trillion market, then the next they're leading an anti capitalism march through Trafalgar square! "I can assure you that I, and many other anti-BREXIT, pro EU & Remain supporters will definitely not be going on any anti-capitalist march in Trafalgar Square or any where else for that matter. | |||
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"I don't get these remoaners, one minute they're telling us how we shouldn't leave the EU because we'll lose money if we walk away from this multi-£trillion market, then the next they're leading an anti capitalism march through Trafalgar square!
I can assure you that I, and many other anti-BREXIT, pro EU & Remain supporters will definitely not be going on any anti-capitalist march in Trafalgar Square or any where else for that matter.
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"I don't get these remoaners, one minute they're telling us how we shouldn't leave the EU because we'll lose money if we walk away from this multi-£trillion market, then the next they're leading an anti capitalism march through Trafalgar square!
I can assure you that I, and many other anti-BREXIT, pro EU & Remain supporters will definitely not be going on any anti-capitalist march in Trafalgar Square or any where else for that matter.
But you're not a remoaner..."No one is a remoaner but plenty, including myself, are Remainers. | |||
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"He has no choice but to ask for another extension if there is no deal they made it law. I thought they also made it law that we were leaving on 29th March? Seems that the HoP is very selective when it comes to which laws it wants to obey" Really? Nope, I think, I know you're wrong on that one | |||
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"So, whether you think BREXIT is the best thing since sliced bread, the worst thing since the bubonic plague or somewhere in between, can we all now agree that, as Johnson's deal has already been pretty much rejected by Ireland & EU, and there is also zero chance of the EU rejecting a request for an Article 50 extension, we won't be leaving the EU this October? With that now clear can we now start talking about where we go from here?" We're down to 2 choices. 1. Leave with the type of deal which both Vote Leave and Leave.EU campaigned for from the very beginning. They campaigned for leaving with a deal which retained Single Market membership. Something either similar, or identical to EAA membership - in fact Farage specifically mentioned EAA membership many times. It's the only altered withdrawal agreement that the EU are ever likely to offer us, and it's the only withdrawal bill proposal which came close to passing in Parliament (it was more or less Ken Clarke's proposal which only missed by about 5 votes IIRC) 2. Cancel Brexit and Remain. Ironically I feel that the people behind the brexit campaign will begin to push to remain at this point - though not publicly obvs. The leave deal they first proposed offers no major differences to being a full member - with the exception of losing our say in making the rules. And it would force us to retain many of the things that we don't like to admit were our idea all along but pretend were not (like freedom of movement). So if it comes to pass and the credit (or blame) is quite rightly laid at their door for it, then they'll end up looking like charlatans to their own side. However if we remain, they can continue the narrative of impotence and victimhood that resonates so strongly with Gammony Brexiters. | |||
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"I don't get these remoaners, one minute they're telling us how we shouldn't leave the EU because we'll lose money if we walk away from this multi-£trillion market, then the next they're leading an anti capitalism march through Trafalgar square!
I can assure you that I, and many other anti-BREXIT, pro EU & Remain supporters will definitely not be going on any anti-capitalist march in Trafalgar Square or any where else for that matter.
But you're not a remoaner...
No one is a remoaner but plenty, including myself, are Remainers.
"As a remainer myself i feel i can whole heartedly disagree with you. | |||
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"I don't get these remoaners, one minute they're telling us how we shouldn't leave the EU because we'll lose money if we walk away from this multi-£trillion market, then the next they're leading an anti capitalism march through Trafalgar square! "This is because the majority of people who are so far left that they are anti captalist beleive we should EU | |||
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"I don't get these remoaners, one minute they're telling us how we shouldn't leave the EU because we'll lose money if we walk away from this multi-£trillion market, then the next they're leading an anti capitalism march through Trafalgar square!
I can assure you that I, and many other anti-BREXIT, pro EU & Remain supporters will definitely not be going on any anti-capitalist march in Trafalgar Square or any where else for that matter.
But you're not a remoaner..."What is a remoaner? | |||
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" However if we remain, they can continue the narrative of impotence and victimhood that resonates so strongly with Gammony Brexiters. " One of these posts that remind me why I come in here. Class. | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. " There you have in black and white why the result of the people’s vote we had in 2016 was to Leave ie if Germany and France don’t like something they will put on the thumb screws ! Do you realise that by not accepting the vote and continually whining away we are now totally screwed for a generation by which I mean this debate we are having now will simply go on for ever. You and your fellows Remoaners like Mr Jones above and others have condemned us to 30 years of hell regardless of whether we now Leave or not . | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. There you have in black and white why the result of the people’s vote we had in 2016 was to Leave ie if Germany and France don’t like something they will put on the thumb screws ! Do you realise that by not accepting the vote and continually whining away we are now totally screwed for a generation by which I mean this debate we are having now will simply go on for ever. You and your fellows Remoaners like Mr Jones above and others have condemned us to 30 years of hell regardless of whether we now Leave or not ." How? How has Mr Jones condemned us to 30 years of hell? The whole idea of Brexit has done this damage because leavers were promised something and everything and much may not actually be deliverable anyway. How many times has the notion of what Brexit actually is has changed? Lots Remainers and leavers in Parliament have all caused the mess that is Brexit Brexit had no plan, it was just a quote on a piece of paper with no thought put into it as to how we'd actually Brexit anyway. Stamping feet screaming "leave means leave" isn't and never was enough of a plan. | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. There you have in black and white why the result of the people’s vote we had in 2016 was to Leave ie if Germany and France don’t like something they will put on the thumb screws ! Do you realise that by not accepting the vote and continually whining away we are now totally screwed for a generation by which I mean this debate we are having now will simply go on for ever. You and your fellows Remoaners like Mr Jones above and others have condemned us to 30 years of hell regardless of whether we now Leave or not ." You’ve been indoctrinated into the Brexit cult .Its not the end of the world if you don’t get your desired flavour of Brexit. Farage was never the messiah . Brexit was never going to solve all your problems. Stop blaming others and start with the man in the mirror... Here’s a free hug from bob! | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. There you have in black and white why the result of the people’s vote we had in 2016 was to Leave ie if Germany and France don’t like something they will put on the thumb screws ! Do you realise that by not accepting the vote and continually whining away we are now totally screwed for a generation by which I mean this debate we are having now will simply go on for ever. You and your fellows Remoaners like Mr Jones above and others have condemned us to 30 years of hell regardless of whether we now Leave or not ." Once we are out the media will stop banging on 24/7 about it after a few months and move on to another subject.Brexit is a nice little cash cow for all of them whipping up the country with their own little theories about what is about to happen and hours and hours of airtime.once its done people will just continue on with their lives as normal.The greens should want it done then the media can jump on their band wagon and start whipping up a frenzy about us all being extinct in 50 years. | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. There you have in black and white why the result of the people’s vote we had in 2016 was to Leave ie if Germany and France don’t like something they will put on the thumb screws ! Do you realise that by not accepting the vote and continually whining away we are now totally screwed for a generation by which I mean this debate we are having now will simply go on for ever. You and your fellows Remoaners like Mr Jones above and others have condemned us to 30 years of hell regardless of whether we now Leave or not ." It's called politics. In a committee of 28, you find ways to influence your fellow members. In this case, if a majority feel strongly about something, they will induce the recalcitrant to maintain unanimity. The UK is pisspoor at it. Except when it comes to more blatant bribes like buying out the DUP. And if you think Brexit will be "done" on the day UK formally ceases to be a member of the EU, you have years of disappointment ahead, I'm afraid. The relationship between the UK, Ireland and the EU will continue to dominate politics for a long, long time. The only difference being the UK will be on the outside knocking on the door to be let back in to the bits it misses. | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. There you have in black and white why the result of the people’s vote we had in 2016 was to Leave ie if Germany and France don’t like something they will put on the thumb screws ! Do you realise that by not accepting the vote and continually whining away we are now totally screwed for a generation by which I mean this debate we are having now will simply go on for ever. You and your fellows Remoaners like Mr Jones above and others have condemned us to 30 years of hell regardless of whether we now Leave or not .Once we are out the media will stop banging on 24/7 about it after a few months and move on to another subject.Brexit is a nice little cash cow for all of them whipping up the country with their own little theories about what is about to happen and hours and hours of airtime.once its done people will just continue on with their lives as normal.The greens should want it done then the media can jump on their band wagon and start whipping up a frenzy about us all being extinct in 50 years." I think your'e going to be disappointed costa. Once we have left begins the process of trying to negotiate a trade deal with a block we have just royally pissed off. | |||
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" I think your'e going to be disappointed costa. Once we have left begins the process of trying to negotiate a trade deal with a block we have just royally pissed off." Once Article 50 expires, Article 218 applies to the UK as a third country. There won't be any talks about trade, however. Not until the UK has paid the divorce bill, guaranteed EU citizen rights and safeguarded the Belfast Agreement. And until Ireland declares itself satisfied with UK arrangements for upholding the Belfast Agreement, there won't be any trade agreement with the USA either. This farce of "Get Brexit Done" does nothing of the sort - it just prolongs the pain. | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. There you have in black and white why the result of the people’s vote we had in 2016 was to Leave ie if Germany and France don’t like something they will put on the thumb screws ! Do you realise that by not accepting the vote and continually whining away we are now totally screwed for a generation by which I mean this debate we are having now will simply go on for ever. You and your fellows Remoaners like Mr Jones above and others have condemned us to 30 years of hell regardless of whether we now Leave or not ." Spread the love | |||
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"Any evidence of double-dealing on the part of Johnson and he'll be found in breach of the Benn Act. Germany and France will put the thumb-screws on Hungary if need be. There you have in black and white why the result of the people’s vote we had in 2016 was to Leave ie if Germany and France don’t like something they will put on the thumb screws ! Do you realise that by not accepting the vote and continually whining away we are now totally screwed for a generation by which I mean this debate we are having now will simply go on for ever. You and your fellows Remoaners like Mr Jones above and others have condemned us to 30 years of hell regardless of whether we now Leave or not .Once we are out the media will stop banging on 24/7 about it after a few months and move on to another subject.Brexit is a nice little cash cow for all of them whipping up the country with their own little theories about what is about to happen and hours and hours of airtime.once its done people will just continue on with their lives as normal.The greens should want it done then the media can jump on their band wagon and start whipping up a frenzy about us all being extinct in 50 years. I think your'e going to be disappointed costa. Once we have left begins the process of trying to negotiate a trade deal with a block we have just royally pissed off." Of course there will be trade deal negotiations they go on all the time i wont be disappointed once we leave im dissapointed now because we havnt. | |||
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"You need to understand the difference between Article 50 and Article 218." no i dont. | |||
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"I deal in Import Export ... im just sick to death of it all. " i think the whole country is. | |||
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"You need to understand the difference between Article 50 and Article 218.no i dont. "Only if you want to carry on deluding yourself that talks about trade take place all the time. | |||
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"You need to understand the difference between Article 50 and Article 218.no i dont.
Only if you want to carry on deluding yourself that talks about trade take place all the time."The world is not just europe you should buy yourself a globe. | |||
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"You need to understand the difference between Article 50 and Article 218.no i dont.
Only if you want to carry on deluding yourself that talks about trade take place all the time.The world is not just europe you should buy yourself a globe."If that had been your point, I would not have replied as I did. But it wasn't. You were responding to someone who cautioned about expecting any early discussion on trade with a bloc the UK has "royally pissed off". Whatever, carry on and cut off your nose to spite your face. All part of the Brexit delusion that the world is queuing up to kiss the arse of the British. | |||
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"You need to understand the difference between Article 50 and Article 218.no i dont.
Only if you want to carry on deluding yourself that talks about trade take place all the time.The world is not just europe you should buy yourself a globe.
If that had been your point, I would not have replied as I did.
But it wasn't.
You were responding to someone who cautioned about expecting any early discussion on trade with a bloc the UK has "royally pissed off".
Whatever, carry on and cut off your nose to spite your face.
All part of the Brexit delusion that the world is queuing up to kiss the arse of the British."Thats good that we have cleared that up.I dont want to split hairs but if you read my post "trade deals go on all the time" obviously not between us and the eu as at the moment we are in the eu trading block so it must mean with the rest of the world. | |||
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