FabSwingers.com forum: Hard Border Alternative

By *evil_u_know OP Man
over a year ago

city

Alternative to the hard border proposed by the UK, is... a hard border, just up to a mile away from the border.

"clearing custom sites", on each side of the border, with gps tracking of all traffic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49887114

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

2 hard borders ?????

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By *evil_u_know OP Man
over a year ago

city

"2 hard borders ?????"

Yes, but they are going to hide them behind a bush so it will look like no hard border.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought for goods the method would be to set tarrifs etc based on the destination of goods. Dont know how it works with freedom of People movement

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

Has been completely dismissed by Tanastie ( Deputy head of govt) and Minister for Foreign Affairs, Simon Coveney.

Oh well back to the drawing board

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I thought for goods the method would be to set tarrifs etc based on the destination of goods. Dont know how it works with freedom of People movement "

Freedom of movement will continue between the UK and the EU via the open border in Northern Ireland

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I never understood how you could "take back control" of your border and then insist you did not actually want any controls on your border.

Duplicitous.

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By *evil_u_know OP Man
over a year ago

city

"I never understood how you could "take back control" of your border and then insist you did not actually want any controls on your border.

Duplicitous.

Its impossible to tell what they want. They at least publicly have to say they dont want a border in the north.

The argument will be made by them when a border is put in by the EU that they didnt do it, and thus complied with the GFA. You see people on this forum already making that argument. Do nothing, let the EU put one in and then its the EU fault.

Impossible to predict.

It might be time to just put the question to the people of the north.

A border and remain in the UK, or No border and rejoin Ireland.

That is basically all the UK has brought to the table, them two options.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boris has now admitted that there will have to be boarder checks in Ireland after brexit

Tell us something new or something we did not already know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I never understood how you could "take back control" of your border and then insist you did not actually want any controls on your border.

Duplicitous.

Just one of them bullshit Brexit bonuses that once uttered by leavers they realised how dumb it was and cannot bring themselves to admit they were stupid to argue it to start with.....

Let's take control of our borders but ummm...... durrrrr..... we don't want a border there.... or there.....

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I never understood how you could "take back control" of your border and then insist you did not actually want any controls on your border.

Duplicitous.

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Easy to understand

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"I never understood how you could "take back control" of your border and then insist you did not actually want any controls on your border.

Duplicitous.

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. Please try and keep up ,, it has now moved on ,,, 1st we want to control our border ,, then we don't want a border even though 17 million voted for us to contoll the border that we say isn't there , although it is , but the new bit is we don't want a border but we want to control the border somewhere other than where we want to pretend a border doesn't exist at a place where a border doesn't exist but we can pretend it does so we can check things that can be in the UK then enter the border check point then leave the border checkpoint and still be in the UK

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I never understood how you could "take back control" of your border and then insist you did not actually want any controls on your border.

Duplicitous.

Easy to understand"

easy to understand how?

you literally have 1 land border between the UK and the EU.....

how does "taking control of our borders" work when you don't have a border?

so again... lets ask the question no brexiteer ever answers...

how do you stop someone who enters the Republic from the EU legally just catching a train/bus north to belfast... to the catch an internal flight/Ferry to the mainland?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I never understood how you could "take back control" of your border and then insist you did not actually want any controls on your border.

Duplicitous.

Easy to understand

easy to understand how?

you literally have 1 land border between the UK and the EU.....

how does "taking control of our borders" work when you don't have a border?

so again... lets ask the question no brexiteer ever answers...

how do you stop someone who enters the Republic from the EU legally just catching a train/bus north to belfast... to the catch an internal flight/Ferry to the mainland?"
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What do you want to catch him for?.

Illegal entry?.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I never understood how you could "take back control" of your border and then insist you did not actually want any controls on your border.

Duplicitous.

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especially when you had control of your borders all the time just elected not to use them because it was economically and politically expedient to do so

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

There are more border crossings between NI/ROI than in the entire EU along its eastern border.

Latest figures show there are 208 road crossings between NI/ ROI along the 300 odd mile border. Can someone tell me how it is possible to have physical customs checks at 208 of these road crossings ?, be they at the border or any other notional set back border ?

It’s simply impossible .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are more border crossings between NI/ROI than in the entire EU along its eastern border.

It’s simply impossible . "

I think the idea is that with GPS tracking lorries, vehicles are obliged to go to transport hubs for a cursory check. It would be a bit like going through customs with nothing to declare most of the time. it is playing lip service largely to the need for checks at the border.

The hubs become a sort of imaginary port where vehicles queue up to go through when they cross the imaginary sea. Sinn Fein has spotted this as being a small hardening of the border.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

It will never please everyone and cant but dont see why we have to be tied to the eu forever because of the GFA.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"It will never please everyone and cant but dont see why we have to be tied to the eu forever because of the GFA."

are you suggesting getting rid of the GFA?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"It will never please everyone and cant but dont see why we have to be tied to the eu forever because of the GFA.

are you suggesting getting rid of the GFA?

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no im suggesting that the people of Ireland have lived in relative peace for a while now and it was not the boarder that was the problem.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"It will never please everyone and cant but dont see why we have to be tied to the eu forever because of the GFA.

are you suggesting getting rid of the GFA?

no im suggesting that the people of Ireland have lived in relative peace for a while now and it was not the boarder that was the problem. "

Of course the border was a problem. That's why we had thousands of troops deployed on it.

Johnson's solution to not having a (one) hard border in Northern Ireland! Have 4 hard borders instead! Absolutely unbelievable.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"It will never please everyone and cant but dont see why we have to be tied to the eu forever because of the GFA.

are you suggesting getting rid of the GFA?

no im suggesting that the people of Ireland have lived in relative peace for a while now and it was not the boarder that was the problem.

Of course the border was a problem. That's why we had thousands of troops deployed on it.

Johnson's solution to not having a (one) hard border in Northern Ireland! Have 4 hard borders instead! Absolutely unbelievable.

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yeah what i mean we are not going to have troops stationed on the boarder when we leave the eu i cant see the problem with a soft boarder.The eu insist on no boarder which as i said before makes it impossible to leave which is exactly what they want and has been their ace in the hole all along.

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By *evil_u_know OP Man
over a year ago

city

"It will never please everyone and cant but dont see why we have to be tied to the eu forever because of the GFA.

are you suggesting getting rid of the GFA?

no im suggesting that the people of Ireland have lived in relative peace for a while now and it was not the boarder that was the problem. "

But Ireland gave up total claim to the north of Ireland, and all UK did was promise zero interference at the border. Something easy at the time, but the idea of the promise, that they would never ever be interfered with again was a promise the Republic grabbed with both hands.

Now England has to stand behind its word, and you suggest, on the international stage its first order of business should be to rip up international peace treaties, and back away from promises they made. To act cowardly, to prove the absolute scumbag psychopath terrorists right, that the word of the UK means nothing.

The UK can do what it wants, it can get a border put in, and Ireland is free to do what it wants, to reclaim northern Ireland as Irish territory occupied by the UK.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

he is not suggesting a boarder as such but a technical boarder and although they say there is no boarder there has always been a monetary one.The people in the south will still be able to get their cheap fags and booze from the north

I think with aligning agriculture he has played a blinder and it will now look like the eu are not compromising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When is a border not a border??

When the Irish decide not the English.

If Boris thinks he can impose one then he’s away with fairies.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"When is a border not a border??

When the Irish decide not the English.

If Boris thinks he can impose one then he’s away with fairies.

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or the eu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I'm looking forward to finding out what gets decided after all this fuss

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

Daffodils are always nice in a border and the definatley soften it on the eye.

Bet no ones thought of that

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

There is a scientific solution revealed by Newsthump:

'Wednesday 2 October 2019 by Davywavy

Government proposes Schrodingers Irish Border, which exists when you want sovereignty and doesn’t exist when you want frictionless trade

Boris and Schrodingers Irish Border

The Irish border will exist in multiple uncertain states in which it both exists and doesn’t exist at the same time depending on what you want right this second, according to proposals unveiled today.

Two borders will coexist in a state of quantum superposition; one which prevents undesirables and European laws from crossing, and another which is highly permeable to cheap imports.

Despite seeming internally contradictory, the Department for Exiting the EU insist that quantum events have been observed at the Planck scale and can exist for a fraction of a second, so permanently applying it to the Irish border is no more ridiculous than anything else they’ve suggested.

The government expects the suggestion to be warmly received by the European Union, which similarly exists in two states at once depending on who is speaking; one where it is so weak it desperately needs British money and another where it is powerful enough to bully Britain.

–– ADVERTISEMENT ––

“The border would exist in a theoretical state which is only resolved when you look at it,” a spokesman told us. “So if you’re driving a lorry load of car parts, for example, the border exists as a wave, as we wave you through.

“But if you’re a migrant fruit picker hoping to take a cash-in-hand job it resolves as a particle which has enough volume, density and mass as is required to stop you passing. Simple!

“Also, at high energy states, the Irish border can jump to a higher shell at Drogheda, whilst at lower energies it will manifest in the Irish sea.”

“What do Michael Gove and an electron have in common?” he added.

“They both interfere with themselves when nobody is looking.”'

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

portrush

but how .

if do you not have control of your borders .

can you insist .

that you do not want any controls

on your border

that called a free border .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That deal he has put forward is going to get rejected it’s going to cause trouble as soon as implemented

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Boris has now admitted that there will have to be boarder checks in Ireland after brexit

Tell us something new or something we did not already know

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Well the Irish government does not know that

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"That deal he has put forward is going to get rejected it’s going to cause trouble as soon as implemented "
Every proposal will be rejected by Westminster anyway,we already know that.

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By *evil_u_know OP Man
over a year ago

city

It's not a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland when it is moved to the middle of the sea between the UK and the North.

A simple process Ireland proposed at the start, and moved to say they would share all traffic coming into ireland with the UK in return.

The DUP shot it down. So May came up with the backstop.

But now it looks like the DUP have been held to account by Boris and this is what will happen. This is what I said Boris would do a while ago.

The problem now is, Ireland and the EU will have no binding agreement on the issue. Boris needs to make his agreement binding. So before Ireland and the EU can properly look at it, he needs to make it binding inside the UK, and then present it to the EU. He will need a smooth way to implement any changes or recommendations. He will also need to legally bind the trade agreement to the success of the border.

Maybe he could call it a front stop, and the trade deal as the back stop.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Fuck it. Let's just invade Ireland, all of it, and be done. We could even get a few Lords from Normandy to run the place for us. That'll solve the border problem.

Come to think about it let's take back control of Calais too, that'll solve that problem too.

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

"Fuck it. Let's just invade Ireland, all of it, and be done. We could even get a few Lords from Normandy to run the place for us. That'll solve the border problem.

Come to think about it let's take back control of Calais too, that'll solve that problem too.

Deluded .

Unbelievable Jeff

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Fuck it. Let's just invade Ireland, all of it, and be done. We could even get a few Lords from Normandy to run the place for us. That'll solve the border problem.

Come to think about it let's take back control of Calais too, that'll solve that problem too.

Deluded .

Unbelievable Jeff "

You really think it's deluded? WOW!

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

"Fuck it. Let's just invade Ireland, all of it, and be done. We could even get a few Lords from Normandy to run the place for us. That'll solve the border problem.

Come to think about it let's take back control of Calais too, that'll solve that problem too.

Deluded .

Unbelievable Jeff

You really think it's deluded? WOW!

Yes mate i think its highly deluded to think

Westminster thinks it command an invasion into

Ireland .

The U.S would be dropping bombs on London by tea time,

But theyd be a bit late as Russians would have launched 2 hours earlier .

Now you will think i am deluded.

Stupid is what stupid does.

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

Or even that you could think it would

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Newsthump reporting the latest proposal from DexEU:

'DexEU confident its brilliant suggestion that the UK annex Ireland will soothe Irish border concerns in Brussels

October 1, 2019

Written by Arabin Patson

In order to break the negotiations deadlock over the problem of a hard border in Ireland, the UK government has come up with an ingenious proposal to simply make the Irish Republic a part of the UK and it sees no reason why this should get people upset.

Simon Williams, lead political advisor to the Department for Exiting the EU, insisted that suggestion to annex Ireland and make the new region of South Ulster was exactly the kind of innovative solutions the EU was asking for.

He told us, “It’s a great idea and came directly from the prime minister himself.

“Frankly I’m surprised it hasn’t been tried before to be honest. After all, Ireland speaks English and drives on the left for some reason, so they’re basically ready for it.

“And once they are part of the UK, there’s no reason to get tetchy about a border. Those IRA types will have no reason to start trouble. It’s win-win for everyone.”

Mr Williams was adamant the annexation would be beneficial to Ireland.

“Ireland can finally join a powerful country with growth barely one-fifth of what it has now. And all the UK would love to have a new province, including myself. I love the Emerald Isle. Graham Norton, U2, corned beef that doesn’t come in a tin and that lovely way you call your vicars ‘father’. What a grand craic, as they say in their charming rustic way.

“No, I never really bothered much with history. Oxford PPE, as it happens. Why do you ask?”'

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