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The current PM keeps saying brexit will happen on 31/10/19.
I would like us all to have a hint on the likelihood of having a HARD brexit this coming end of October: Do you believe it will happen or you think it won't... I think we are going for hard brexit.
If you can, please base your answer on facts.
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"Unfortunately I think it will be Mays cop out dressed up ! Yes I would just leave no Deal !" Why?  | |||
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"Dear all, I mean all!
The current PM keeps saying brexit will happen on 31/10/19.
I would like us all to have a hint on the likelihood of having a HARD brexit this coming end of October: Do you believe it will happen or you think it won't... I think we are going for hard brexit.
If you can, please base your answer on facts.
Have fun!"No hard Brexit. Boger just wants an election and wants to claim that he was "prevented" from getting a deal by Parliament and the EU. That was always the plan. | |||
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"Well, we've paid £100 million for the advertsing "How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ? How often do the Remoaner MPs in Parliament and the Remoaner elite in the London bubble talk to the EU hierarchy about their tactics to thwart Democracy in our country ? Surely that’s an example of collusion with a foreign power to overthrow our 2016 referendum ? | |||
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"Well, we've paid £100 million for the advertsing
How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?
How often do the Remoaner MPs in Parliament and the Remoaner elite in the London bubble talk to the EU hierarchy about their tactics to thwart Democracy in our country ? Surely that’s an example of collusion with a foreign power to overthrow our 2016 referendum ? "I don't know. You seem well informed. You tell me how much. You can also tell me if funding a political campaign within the rules is "sabotaging democracy". How much have Jeremy Hosking, Crispin Odey, Peter Hargreaves and Aaron Banks paid to "sabotage democracy"? How much have our government been going to Brussels to collide with a foreign power to broker a secret, unpublished deal? One that even the Way don't get to see?
I'll put this up for you again. It is parody, not a reference document though:
'"The Brexiter’s guide to misunderstanding democracy
20th September 2019
ARE you a Brexiter unable to stop howling about democracy despite not knowing how it works? Here’s how to be a shouty, ill-informed w**ker:
Transparently love fascism
Balance your belief in democracy with mental statements like ‘If Remoaners don’t like it, give them one-way tickets to Venezuela. And if they won’t get on the plane, set police dogs on them.’
Have a curious understanding of ‘majority’
52 per cent of Britain voted for the EU to f**k off. That’s a massive super-majority and the idea that it’s only 37 per cent of the electorate is just Remoaners twisting reality.
Know nothing about democracy except the vote bit
Separation of powers? Independent judiciary? A mountain of erudite thought is available in a split second on Google, but why waste your time with Tocqueville (French) and John Stuart Mill (three names, clearly posh) when the only important definition of democracy is ‘Brexit’?
Be furious
Even though you didn’t give a toss about any vote before or since 2016, be absolutely batsh*t, brink-of-a-coronary furious about it all the time. If people shuffle away from you in the pub or your wife has left you, you’re defending democracy.
Believe MPs are your slaves
Prove your ignorance of representative democracy by insisting MPs must do exactly what voters tell them to. If someone provides a ridiculous counter-example, eg ‘So should they put sharks in swimming pools if idiots vote for it?’, just angrily reply ‘YES!’
Make sh*t up as usual
Everyone who voted for Brexit wants no-deal and fully understood every last detail, despite a lot of them believing patent nonsense like the EU wanting to change the name of bananas to ‘das Yellowenbendifreut’."' | |||
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"Well, we've paid £100 million for the advertsing
How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?
How often do the Remoaner MPs in Parliament and the Remoaner elite in the London bubble talk to the EU hierarchy about their tactics to thwart Democracy in our country ? Surely that’s an example of collusion with a foreign power to overthrow our 2016 referendum ?
I don't know. You seem well informed. You tell me how much. You can also tell me if funding a political campaign within the rules is "sabotaging democracy".
How much have Jeremy Hosking, Crispin Odey, Peter Hargreaves and Aaron Banks paid to "sabotage democracy"?
How much have our government been going to Brussels to collide with a foreign power to broker a secret, unpublished deal? One that even the Way don't get to see?
I'll put this up for you again. It is parody, not a reference document though:
'"The Brexiter’s guide to misunderstanding democracy
20th September 2019
ARE you a Brexiter unable to stop howling about democracy despite not knowing how it works? Here’s how to be a shouty, ill-informed w**ker:
Transparently love fascism
Balance your belief in democracy with mental statements like ‘If Remoaners don’t like it, give them one-way tickets to Venezuela. And if they won’t get on the plane, set police dogs on them.’
Have a curious understanding of ‘majority’
52 per cent of Britain voted for the EU to f**k off. That’s a massive super-majority and the idea that it’s only 37 per cent of the electorate is just Remoaners twisting reality.
Know nothing about democracy except the vote bit
Separation of powers? Independent judiciary? A mountain of erudite thought is available in a split second on Google, but why waste your time with Tocqueville (French) and John Stuart Mill (three names, clearly posh) when the only important definition of democracy is ‘Brexit’?
Be furious
Even though you didn’t give a toss about any vote before or since 2016, be absolutely batsh*t, brink-of-a-coronary furious about it all the time. If people shuffle away from you in the pub or your wife has left you, you’re defending democracy.
Believe MPs are your slaves
Prove your ignorance of representative democracy by insisting MPs must do exactly what voters tell them to. If someone provides a ridiculous counter-example, eg ‘So should they put sharks in swimming pools if idiots vote for it?’, just angrily reply ‘YES!’
Make sh*t up as usual
Everyone who voted for Brexit wants no-deal and fully understood every last detail, despite a lot of them believing patent nonsense like the EU wanting to change the name of bananas to ‘das Yellowenbendifreut’."'"Hilarious | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. " . If we leave without a deal , it is suggested that there may be some disruption , until "things" settle down ... IF ,, these "things " include some people may not get the tablets they need , people ( that is people we know and love , maybe children ) may die . I wonder how many deaths those who want no deal are prepared to accept before "things" settle down ...???? ,,,, | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . If we leave without a deal , it is suggested that there may be some disruption , until "things" settle down ... IF ,, these "things " include some people may not get the tablets they need , people ( that is people we know and love , maybe children ) may die . I wonder how many deaths those who want no deal are prepared to accept before "things" settle down ...???? ,,,, " Imagine the following . George Soros , Tony Blair , some EU agents and some of our Remoaner MPs meet up in a room deep inside the London bubble and one of them says ‘ So far our project fear operation has failed to fool enough people so we need to ratchet it up further so what shall we say to grab some headlines on our TV stations the BBC and Channel 4 ‘ Another one replies and says ‘ Well we’ve tried everything else but the British people aren’t as thick as we thought they were so let’s say that they are actually going to die if we leave the EU that might have some effect’ and another says ‘ ok guys let’s go with that one some are bound to believe it ‘ | |||
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"Well, we've paid £100 million for the advertsing
How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?
How often do the Remoaner MPs in Parliament and the Remoaner elite in the London bubble talk to the EU hierarchy about their tactics to thwart Democracy in our country ? Surely that’s an example of collusion with a foreign power to overthrow our 2016 referendum ?
I don't know. You seem well informed. You tell me how much. You can also tell me if funding a political campaign within the rules is "sabotaging democracy".
How much have Jeremy Hosking, Crispin Odey, Peter Hargreaves and Aaron Banks paid to "sabotage democracy"?
How much have our government been going to Brussels to collide with a foreign power to broker a secret, unpublished deal? One that even the Way don't get to see?
I'll put this up for you again. It is parody, not a reference document though:
'"The Brexiter’s guide to misunderstanding democracy
20th September 2019
ARE you a Brexiter unable to stop howling about democracy despite not knowing how it works? Here’s how to be a shouty, ill-informed w**ker:
Transparently love fascism
Balance your belief in democracy with mental statements like ‘If Remoaners don’t like it, give them one-way tickets to Venezuela. And if they won’t get on the plane, set police dogs on them.’
Have a curious understanding of ‘majority’
52 per cent of Britain voted for the EU to f**k off. That’s a massive super-majority and the idea that it’s only 37 per cent of the electorate is just Remoaners twisting reality.
Know nothing about democracy except the vote bit
Separation of powers? Independent judiciary? A mountain of erudite thought is available in a split second on Google, but why waste your time with Tocqueville (French) and John Stuart Mill (three names, clearly posh) when the only important definition of democracy is ‘Brexit’?
Be furious
Even though you didn’t give a toss about any vote before or since 2016, be absolutely batsh*t, brink-of-a-coronary furious about it all the time. If people shuffle away from you in the pub or your wife has left you, you’re defending democracy.
Believe MPs are your slaves
Prove your ignorance of representative democracy by insisting MPs must do exactly what voters tell them to. If someone provides a ridiculous counter-example, eg ‘So should they put sharks in swimming pools if idiots vote for it?’, just angrily reply ‘YES!’
Make sh*t up as usual
Everyone who voted for Brexit wants no-deal and fully understood every last detail, despite a lot of them believing patent nonsense like the EU wanting to change the name of bananas to ‘das Yellowenbendifreut’."'"You lost me at brexiteer and howling ... only seems to be one group of people that seem to stick their fingers in their ears and howl  | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . If we leave without a deal , it is suggested that there may be some disruption , until "things" settle down ... IF ,, these "things " include some people may not get the tablets they need , people ( that is people we know and love , maybe children ) may die . I wonder how many deaths those who want no deal are prepared to accept before "things" settle down ...???? ,,,, Imagine the following . George Soros , Tony Blair , some EU agents and some of our Remoaner MPs meet up in a room deep inside the London bubble and one of them says ‘ So far our project fear operation has failed to fool enough people so we need to ratchet it up further so what shall we say to grab some headlines on our TV stations the BBC and Channel 4 ‘ Another one replies and says ‘ Well we’ve tried everything else but the British people aren’t as thick as we thought they were so let’s say that they are actually going to die if we leave the EU that might have some effect’ and another says ‘ ok guys let’s go with that one some are bound to believe it ‘ " Really....I refer you to the Yellowhammer document....a document produced by the government that was hidden away until it was forced into the public eye by politicians acting lawfully which in essence told you all this and that was not as, some of you recidivists seem to claim, the worst case scenario but the expected likely outcome of a no deal brexit....so perhaps you could stop spouting neo-con nonsense and start thinking about what you are saying....you do know that the radioactive isotopes used in radiography are produced in Europe and that the only way we will be able to carry on sourcing these items will incur increased cost to the nhs and require new treaties to allow this radioactive material to be taken out of the EU and into little Britain....thats just one example but hey maybe you are sitting on a pot of money and will be able to fly off to the USA to fix any healthcare issues you have so it wont affect you? The bottom line is costs will rise, the supply chain will be more complex and some things will no longer be readily available. In the best case scenario this may all be resolved in a matter of months but the flip side is it could be years before we even begin to reap any benefit from brexit. Project Fear is endorsed by Yellowhammer and all this talk of mysterious groups of foreigners, politicians and philanthropists seeking to undermine the will of the people sounds like the same sort of propaganda that hitler and goebbels used against the jews (jewish conspiracy controlling the world) and we know where that ended up!  | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . If we leave without a deal , it is suggested that there may be some disruption , until "things" settle down ... IF ,, these "things " include some people may not get the tablets they need , people ( that is people we know and love , maybe children ) may die . I wonder how many deaths those who want no deal are prepared to accept before "things" settle down ...???? ,,,, Imagine the following . George Soros , Tony Blair , some EU agents and some of our Remoaner MPs meet up in a room deep inside the London bubble and one of them says ‘ So far our project fear operation has failed to fool enough people so we need to ratchet it up further so what shall we say to grab some headlines on our TV stations the BBC and Channel 4 ‘ Another one replies and says ‘ Well we’ve tried everything else but the British people aren’t as thick as we thought they were so let’s say that they are actually going to die if we leave the EU that might have some effect’ and another says ‘ ok guys let’s go with that one some are bound to believe it ‘ " Imagine he following: An alien spaceship lands. They exterminate half of us and do experiments on the rest. Similar level of evidence to that presented by you  | |||
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"No idea though I'd like it to be decided on way or another on that date but there's too many factors... Is Boris going to act unlawfully Is Boris going to act illegally Is Boris going to be still PM Is Boris going to be remanded into custody awaiting a court date "Dear Fabbers The PM at the moment is not acting unlawfully - the members of WestMinster voted for Art. 50 which stipulates "Leave Europe" and have not retracked that vote. As by "Benn's Law" the PM has to write a letter to the EU asking for a further grace time to either enable elections or a new referendum - However and here is the legal point if the EU turns the grace periode down then the PM is not acting illegal - despite what BBC, Sky and others say. Then there is no more delaying as the EU has spoken and as the demand to the Irish solution is not being dropped by either side there are no further discussions. Please note that even during the "Troubles" there was no hard border as there was no 320 miles long wall or fence and the crossing over to either North Ireland or the South was done on a daily uncontrolled base. Despite what Labour / Tories / Lib's are all screaming about there are already existing solutions to the "hard border" but no one from the UK has pressed that the EU looks at these (See Switzerland electronic clearing or Liechtenstein). Remainers have their reasons to stay and Leavers have their reasons to leave but the simple ver simple fact is that the majority voted to leave and that is something no one can accept. But does not a democratic system work like this ? That when the majority votes for "something" may it be free fish & chips or "?" that all accept. Not that we now find that the ones with the most money can buy their "way" So in the end it will end in a result which will hurt Europe, the Remainers, the Leavers and fuck all the majority of people who are fed upwith these discussions and want just to have a job, an income and a normal life  | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . If we leave without a deal , it is suggested that there may be some disruption , until "things" settle down ... IF ,, these "things " include some people may not get the tablets they need , people ( that is people we know and love , maybe children ) may die . I wonder how many deaths those who want no deal are prepared to accept before "things" settle down ...???? ,,,, Imagine the following . George Soros , Tony Blair , some EU agents and some of our Remoaner MPs meet up in a room deep inside the London bubble and one of them says ‘ So far our project fear operation has failed to fool enough people so we need to ratchet it up further so what shall we say to grab some headlines on our TV stations the BBC and Channel 4 ‘ Another one replies and says ‘ Well we’ve tried everything else but the British people aren’t as thick as we thought they were so let’s say that they are actually going to die if we leave the EU that might have some effect’ and another says ‘ ok guys let’s go with that one some are bound to believe it ‘ Really....I refer you to the Yellowhammer document....a document produced by the government that was hidden away until it was forced into the public eye by politicians acting lawfully which in essence told you all this and that was not as, some of you recidivists seem to claim, the worst case scenario but the expected likely outcome of a no deal brexit....so perhaps you could stop spouting neo-con nonsense and start thinking about what you are saying....you do know that the radioactive isotopes used in radiography are produced in Europe and that the only way we will be able to carry on sourcing these items will incur increased cost to the nhs and require new treaties to allow this radioactive material to be taken out of the EU and into little Britain....thats just one example but hey maybe you are sitting on a pot of money and will be able to fly off to the USA to fix any healthcare issues you have so it wont affect you? The bottom line is costs will rise, the supply chain will be more complex and some things will no longer be readily available. In the best case scenario this may all be resolved in a matter of months but the flip side is it could be years before we even begin to reap any benefit from brexit. Project Fear is endorsed by Yellowhammer and all this talk of mysterious groups of foreigners, politicians and philanthropists seeking to undermine the will of the people sounds like the same sort of propaganda that hitler and goebbels used against the jews (jewish conspiracy controlling the world) and we know where that ended up! "What part of the yellowhammer report is a worse case scenario do you not understand.They produce these reports to elevate the problems it is not what is going to happen.As for the eu stopping isotopes coming to the uk do you really think that they are that petty as to do that and if they did it would just prove to me that they really dont give a fuck about the people and just wanted our money. | |||
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"Remainers have their reasons to stay and Leavers have their reasons to leave but the simple ver simple fact is that the majority voted to leave and that is something no one can accept. But does not a democratic system work like this ? That when the majority votes for "something" may it be free fish & chips or "?" that all accept. Not that we now find that the ones with the most money can buy their "way" " Actually democracy works on clear, and small majority rules, and advisory and binding votes. The leave referendum was a small majority non binding, advisory result. That is just how democracy works. The vote to join the eu back in the day, was a clear majority, binding result. Yet people have been campaigning to leave ever since the UK joined. So the people who campaigned to leave and overturn a clear majority, binding result, are now calling people who want to overturn an advisory vote "moaners", "undemocratic" and then try and lecture to them how democracy works. | |||
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" all this talk of mysterious groups of foreigners, politicians and philanthropists seeking to undermine the will of the people sounds like the same sort of propaganda that hitler and goebbels used against the jews (jewish conspiracy controlling the world) and we know where that ended up! "I know the point has been reached when the biggest Remoaners and whingers like yourself have realised that your constant whining isn’t having an effect when you resort to the old favourite of accusing 17.4 m people of being Nazis . | |||
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"Remainers have their reasons to stay and Leavers have their reasons to leave but the simple ver simple fact is that the majority voted to leave and that is something no one can accept. But does not a democratic system work like this ? That when the majority votes for "something" may it be free fish & chips or "?" that all accept. Not that we now find that the ones with the most money can buy their "way" Actually democracy works on clear, and small majority rules, and advisory and binding votes. The leave referendum was a small majority non binding, advisory result. That is just how democracy works. The vote to join the eu back in the day, was a clear majority, binding result. Yet people have been campaigning to leave ever since the UK joined. So the people who campaigned to leave and overturn a clear majority, binding result, are now calling people who want to overturn an advisory vote "moaners", "undemocratic" and then try and lecture to them how democracy works." Not strictly true. No referendum was held when we joined in 1973. We had a referendum 2 years later on wether we remained in the eec. Which was about 70 30 in favour. This referendum was also advisory. Referendum in the uk are none binding as we live in a parliamentary democracy not a direct one. | |||
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"Brexit wont happen lol" Thats confidence | |||
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"Brexit wont happen lol Thats confidence "That is right. I have had right on all the other brexit dates, this will come and go just like them | |||
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" all this talk of mysterious groups of foreigners, politicians and philanthropists seeking to undermine the will of the people sounds like the same sort of propaganda that hitler and goebbels used against the jews (jewish conspiracy controlling the world) and we know where that ended up!
I know the point has been reached when the biggest Remoaners and whingers like yourself have realised that your constant whining isn’t having an effect when you resort to the old favourite of accusing 17.4 m people of being Nazis ."Lets flip that and say all you Brexiteers are so desperate that you are coming up with conspiracy theories that sound just like those used by the nazis! I never said you were a nazi, just that your neo-con hyperbole was going down that same tired old route of making everything a conspiracy theory - its a tired old trope used to justify oppression all over the world and throughout history, and as I said on another thread using rude and inflammatory language and telling stories does not bring the nation together unless you really believe that ganging up on those you dont like suits you better than adapting to circumstances? | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . If we leave without a deal , it is suggested that there may be some disruption , until "things" settle down ... IF ,, these "things " include some people may not get the tablets they need , people ( that is people we know and love , maybe children ) may die . I wonder how many deaths those who want no deal are prepared to accept before "things" settle down ...???? ,,,, Imagine the following . George Soros , Tony Blair , some EU agents and some of our Remoaner MPs meet up in a room deep inside the London bubble and one of them says ‘ So far our project fear operation has failed to fool enough people so we need to ratchet it up further so what shall we say to grab some headlines on our TV stations the BBC and Channel 4 ‘ Another one replies and says ‘ Well we’ve tried everything else but the British people aren’t as thick as we thought they were so let’s say that they are actually going to die if we leave the EU that might have some effect’ and another says ‘ ok guys let’s go with that one some are bound to believe it ‘ Really....I refer you to the Yellowhammer document....a document produced by the government that was hidden away until it was forced into the public eye by politicians acting lawfully which in essence told you all this and that was not as, some of you recidivists seem to claim, the worst case scenario but the expected likely outcome of a no deal brexit....so perhaps you could stop spouting neo-con nonsense and start thinking about what you are saying....you do know that the radioactive isotopes used in radiography are produced in Europe and that the only way we will be able to carry on sourcing these items will incur increased cost to the nhs and require new treaties to allow this radioactive material to be taken out of the EU and into little Britain....thats just one example but hey maybe you are sitting on a pot of money and will be able to fly off to the USA to fix any healthcare issues you have so it wont affect you? The bottom line is costs will rise, the supply chain will be more complex and some things will no longer be readily available. In the best case scenario this may all be resolved in a matter of months but the flip side is it could be years before we even begin to reap any benefit from brexit. Project Fear is endorsed by Yellowhammer and all this talk of mysterious groups of foreigners, politicians and philanthropists seeking to undermine the will of the people sounds like the same sort of propaganda that hitler and goebbels used against the jews (jewish conspiracy controlling the world) and we know where that ended up! What part of the yellowhammer report is a worse case scenario do you not understand.They produce these reports to elevate the problems it is not what is going to happen.As for the eu stopping isotopes coming to the uk do you really think that they are that petty as to do that and if they did it would just prove to me that they really dont give a fuck about the people and just wanted our money. "The yellowhammer report was re-titled to make it a worst case scenario by Boris but was not originally worst case. It’s interesting that you cannot see that moving radioactive materials across borders is actually quite a serious problem and sensibly is highly regulated so that materials do not fall into the wrong hands. The fact is there is a perfectly sensible system that works now but soon there isn’t going to be one because of us wanting to leave the EU is somehow their fault? Can you explain that to me because I just dont get your logic! | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . If we leave without a deal , it is suggested that there may be some disruption , until "things" settle down ... IF ,, these "things " include some people may not get the tablets they need , people ( that is people we know and love , maybe children ) may die . I wonder how many deaths those who want no deal are prepared to accept before "things" settle down ...???? ,,,, Imagine the following . George Soros , Tony Blair , some EU agents and some of our Remoaner MPs meet up in a room deep inside the London bubble and one of them says ‘ So far our project fear operation has failed to fool enough people so we need to ratchet it up further so what shall we say to grab some headlines on our TV stations the BBC and Channel 4 ‘ Another one replies and says ‘ Well we’ve tried everything else but the British people aren’t as thick as we thought they were so let’s say that they are actually going to die if we leave the EU that might have some effect’ and another says ‘ ok guys let’s go with that one some are bound to believe it ‘ Really....I refer you to the Yellowhammer document....a document produced by the government that was hidden away until it was forced into the public eye by politicians acting lawfully which in essence told you all this and that was not as, some of you recidivists seem to claim, the worst case scenario but the expected likely outcome of a no deal brexit....so perhaps you could stop spouting neo-con nonsense and start thinking about what you are saying....you do know that the radioactive isotopes used in radiography are produced in Europe and that the only way we will be able to carry on sourcing these items will incur increased cost to the nhs and require new treaties to allow this radioactive material to be taken out of the EU and into little Britain....thats just one example but hey maybe you are sitting on a pot of money and will be able to fly off to the USA to fix any healthcare issues you have so it wont affect you? The bottom line is costs will rise, the supply chain will be more complex and some things will no longer be readily available. In the best case scenario this may all be resolved in a matter of months but the flip side is it could be years before we even begin to reap any benefit from brexit. Project Fear is endorsed by Yellowhammer and all this talk of mysterious groups of foreigners, politicians and philanthropists seeking to undermine the will of the people sounds like the same sort of propaganda that hitler and goebbels used against the jews (jewish conspiracy controlling the world) and we know where that ended up! What part of the yellowhammer report is a worse case scenario do you not understand.They produce these reports to elevate the problems it is not what is going to happen.As for the eu stopping isotopes coming to the uk do you really think that they are that petty as to do that and if they did it would just prove to me that they really dont give a fuck about the people and just wanted our money.
The yellowhammer report was re-titled to make it a worst case scenario by Boris but was not originally worst case. It’s interesting that you cannot see that moving radioactive materials across borders is actually quite a serious problem and sensibly is highly regulated so that materials do not fall into the wrong hands. The fact is there is a perfectly sensible system that works now but soon there isn’t going to be one because of us wanting to leave the EU is somehow their fault? Can you explain that to me because I just dont get your logic! "If you choose to believe that the government have overlooked this its up to you the same was said about no planes in the sky from the uk etc its all humbug spread about by remainers if the uk decided on day one to tear up the regulations you might have a point but that is not going to happen. | |||
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How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?
How often do the Remoaner MPs in Parliament and the Remoaner elite in the London bubble talk to the EU hierarchy about their tactics to thwart Democracy in our country ? Surely that’s an example of collusion with a foreign power to overthrow our 2016 referendum ? "Not sure the referendum was enshrined in law? Thought it was advisory? What’s Soros got to do with it? | |||
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"Hey Costafun have you noticed how Mr Jones above keeps accusing Leavers who say he is whining and moaning too much ( that’s just a simple statement of fact ) of using inflammatory language and then starts calling Leavers Nazis and throws swear words around like confetti on several threads . He triggered and become unhinged. It’s becoming impossible to reason with him so I’ll leave it you you to carry on if you want to and I’m off ! " All water of a ducks back to me I tend to look at their profiles see how long they have been on the site and how many meets they have had.seems there are a few on here who are just trolls and i take anything they say with a pinch of salt. | |||
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"The most commonly used radioisotope is technetium-99m (99mTc), accounting for over 80% of diagnostic medicine procedures. 99mTc is produced by the radioactive decay of molybdenum-99 (99Mo), made in nuclear research reactors through the fission (splitting) of enriched uranium. Neither isotope can be stockpiled because they decay rapidly: the amount of useful radiation emitted by 99mTc halves every 6 hours, and the yield of 99mTc obtained from 99Mo halves every 66 hours. There are 6 research reactors in the world which make isotopes, 4 in Europe, 1 in South Africa and 1 in Australia. In 2017 the government commissioned a report into the supply of isotopes partly because of Brexit but also because of the fact that in the next 10 years 5 of the 6 reactors will have reached the end of their working lives. Brexit will not be the first time we have faced shortages, in 2008 the Channel Tunnel fire caused supply problems and in 2015 industrial action in Calais also caused supply problems. As a result the NHS reduced their use by efficiency savings. In addition Medical radioisotopes are not special fissile nuclear material, and are not subject to international nuclear safeguards. Therefore, their availability should not be impacted by the UK’s exit from the Euratom Treaty." All good and valid information but my main point regarding all of this was that if yellowhammer turns out to be the scenario we find ourselves in, how will the supply chain be affected as any delays will mean the isotopes will decay to the point that will be ineffective for their purpose. I understand that at the moment these isotopes are sent by road or rail and not by air so it would seem to me that there is a pretty important issue should there be delays. Of course Bojo may have this all covered but as we have seen he is not a man for the finer detail so experience tells me it could all easily go tits up! | |||
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"Hey Costafun have you noticed how Mr Jones above keeps accusing Leavers who say he is whining and moaning too much ( that’s just a simple statement of fact ) of using inflammatory language and then starts calling Leavers Nazis and throws swear words around like confetti on several threads . He triggered and become unhinged. It’s becoming impossible to reason with him so I’ll leave it you you to carry on if you want to and I’m off ! " Thats the funniest thing youve said all day  | |||
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"Hey Costafun have you noticed how Mr Jones above keeps accusing Leavers who say he is whining and moaning too much ( that’s just a simple statement of fact ) of using inflammatory language and then starts calling Leavers Nazis and throws swear words around like confetti on several threads . He triggered and become unhinged. It’s becoming impossible to reason with him so I’ll leave it you you to carry on if you want to and I’m off ! All water of a ducks back to me I tend to look at their profiles see how long they have been on the site and how many meets they have had.seems there are a few on here who are just trolls and i take anything they say with a pinch of salt."Good man....rise above it....after all its only a sex site so getting hot and bothered is just unnecessary....anyway it was more fun when centaur and pat were here....lots more madness back in those days! | |||
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"The most commonly used radioisotope is technetium-99m (99mTc), accounting for over 80% of diagnostic medicine procedures. 99mTc is produced by the radioactive decay of molybdenum-99 (99Mo), made in nuclear research reactors through the fission (splitting) of enriched uranium. Neither isotope can be stockpiled because they decay rapidly: the amount of useful radiation emitted by 99mTc halves every 6 hours, and the yield of 99mTc obtained from 99Mo halves every 66 hours. There are 6 research reactors in the world which make isotopes, 4 in Europe, 1 in South Africa and 1 in Australia. In 2017 the government commissioned a report into the supply of isotopes partly because of Brexit but also because of the fact that in the next 10 years 5 of the 6 reactors will have reached the end of their working lives. Brexit will not be the first time we have faced shortages, in 2008 the Channel Tunnel fire caused supply problems and in 2015 industrial action in Calais also caused supply problems. As a result the NHS reduced their use by efficiency savings. In addition Medical radioisotopes are not special fissile nuclear material, and are not subject to international nuclear safeguards. Therefore, their availability should not be impacted by the UK’s exit from the Euratom Treaty." Department of Health is chartering aircraft to fly them from the Netherlands to a Midlands Airport, so they avoid perishing in the queues at Dover etc. | |||
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"There is Zero chance of the UK leaving the EU in October without a deal. The sooner everyone accepts that the sooner we can all move on. The only options open are 1) Leave with a good deal - Unlikely because, so far, no one has been able to find a good deal. 2) Leave with a bad deal disguised as a good deal - a little more likely than 1 but it didn't work in March. MPs aren't all stupid. 3) Remain - When all other options have been ruled out only one option Remains. " Bojo however keeps the same radical "brexit on 31/10/19" speech, i.e. no deal brexit... The usual bollocking expected from the current PM - no essence. Yet he acts as determined to get us out of the EU by the end of October; what would be his hat trick? | |||
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"There is Zero chance of the UK leaving the EU in October without a deal. The sooner everyone accepts that the sooner we can all move on. The only options open are 1) Leave with a good deal - Unlikely because, so far, no one has been able to find a good deal. 2) Leave with a bad deal disguised as a good deal - a little more likely than 1 but it didn't work in March. MPs aren't all stupid. 3) Remain - When all other options have been ruled out only one option Remains. Bojo however keeps the same radical "brexit on 31/10/19" speech, i.e. no deal brexit... The usual bollocking expected from the current PM - no essence. Yet he acts as determined to get us out of the EU by the end of October; what would be his hat trick?" Johnson is even more trapped by red lines of his own making than May was. He's also going to be even less successful than May was when it comes to his own career and achieving his goals. | |||
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"The Conservative Party is advertising for an intern to support MEPs in Brussels. The start date is November 1. "I saw that advert too lol | |||
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" Johnson is even more trapped by red lines of his own making than May was. He's also going to be even less successful than May was when it comes to his own career and achieving his goals. " So far Boris' premiership has made Theresa May's look absolutely bloody amazing | |||
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" Johnson is even more trapped by red lines of his own making than May was. He's also going to be even less successful than May was when it comes to his own career and achieving his goals. So far Boris' premiership has made Theresa May's look absolutely bloody amazing " I have been sort of missing her; how bad one needs to be for that? | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. " . Let's try again ,, if someone you love requires daily medicine and there are . as you suggest , perhaps some disruption to start with , how many days can your loved one survive without their tablets , while things settle down ? | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . Let's try again ,, if someone you love requires daily medicine and there are . as you suggest , perhaps some disruption to start with , how many days can your loved one survive without their tablets , while things settle down ? " I need daily medicine. I get given 3 months supply at a time, up to one month before I run out. So on Brexit day I will have anything between 1 and 4 months supply available. Don't know how long I would 'survive' without it, nor how ill I would get in the meantime, as I've never tried it. | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . Let's try again ,, if someone you love requires daily medicine and there are . as you suggest , perhaps some disruption to start with , how many days can your loved one survive without their tablets , while things settle down ? I need daily medicine. I get given 3 months supply at a time, up to one month before I run out. So on Brexit day I will have anything between 1 and 4 months supply available. Don't know how long I would 'survive' without it, nor how ill I would get in the meantime, as I've never tried it. " So you're okay for a few months? Lucky you | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal." The process followed by the EU is the process laid down in Article 50. Two years to negotiate a withdrawal agreement, accompanied by a political declaration about the future relationship. Followed by the exit of the member state. Once the member state has left, Article 218 applies to the opening of talks between the EU and a third party. The process was written by the British. Article 50 applies to a country knocking on the door to leave the EU. Article 218 applies to a country knocking on the door to get back in. | |||
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"Well, we've paid £100 million for the advertsing
How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?
How often do the Remoaner MPs in Parliament and the Remoaner elite in the London bubble talk to the EU hierarchy about their tactics to thwart Democracy in our country ? Surely that’s an example of collusion with a foreign power to overthrow our 2016 referendum ? "Correct! | |||
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"Well, we've paid £100 million for the advertsing
How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?
How often do the Remoaner MPs in Parliament and the Remoaner elite in the London bubble talk to the EU hierarchy about their tactics to thwart Democracy in our country ? Surely that’s an example of collusion with a foreign power to overthrow our 2016 referendum ?
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""How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?" I would estimate a lot less than guys like crispin odey are paying to get a no deal / hard brexit." How do you actually estimate that or are you just guessing? | |||
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""How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?" I would estimate a lot less than guys like crispin odey are paying to get a no deal / hard brexit.How do you actually estimate that or are you just guessing?" I did say estimate just going by the amount of anti eu facebook adds i have been seeing the last few weeks seriously though odey has declared putting over a million into the leave and boris' campaign alone, god knows how much he has actually put in. I just think that putting money into achieving a no deal brexit is easier to target. Less people are intimately involved with the leave side so less people to "bribe" . | |||
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""How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?" I would estimate a lot less than guys like crispin odey are paying to get a no deal / hard brexit.How do you actually estimate that or are you just guessing? I did say estimate just going by the amount of anti eu facebook adds i have been seeing the last few weeks seriously though odey has declared putting over a million into the leave and boris' campaign alone, god knows how much he has actually put in. I just think that putting money into achieving a no deal brexit is easier to target. Less people are intimately involved with the leave side so less people to "bribe" . "So do you think that no money should be spent on preparing for a no deal brexit? | |||
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""How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?" I would estimate a lot less than guys like crispin odey are paying to get a no deal / hard brexit.How do you actually estimate that or are you just guessing? I did say estimate just going by the amount of anti eu facebook adds i have been seeing the last few weeks seriously though odey has declared putting over a million into the leave and boris' campaign alone, god knows how much he has actually put in. I just think that putting money into achieving a no deal brexit is easier to target. Less people are intimately involved with the leave side so less people to "bribe" . "You hit the g-spot last July 2019 Oxford university released the research study: "Global Disinformation Order", and Facebook appears on the top of fake news spreading and miss-informing among all social networks, Twitter is in there too... It is a truly interesting pdf; here is the link if interested: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/93/2019/09/CyberTroop-Report19.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiatfiF7frkAhWFwqYKHcMpDxcQFjABegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw22SvAA9s87wNnzqzLYG84f | |||
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" It might be easier to understand how a lot of leavers think if instead of EU and UK, swap them out with the old USSR and a nation in it, since really the EU is more like the USSR than the US of Europe it tends to be presented as. ." If, as you suggest, leavers believe that life in the EU is like living in a totalitarian dictatorship then it just makes Brexit an even dumber proposition than I previously thought. | |||
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"Well, we've paid £100 million for the advertsing
How much is the foreign billionaire George Soros contributing to sabotaging our democratic vote ?
How often do the Remoaner MPs in Parliament and the Remoaner elite in the London bubble talk to the EU hierarchy about their tactics to thwart Democracy in our country ? Surely that’s an example of collusion with a foreign power to overthrow our 2016 referendum ?
I don't know. You seem well informed. You tell me how much. You can also tell me if funding a political campaign within the rules is "sabotaging democracy".
How much have Jeremy Hosking, Crispin Odey, Peter Hargreaves and Aaron Banks paid to "sabotage democracy"?
How much have our government been going to Brussels to collide with a foreign power to broker a secret, unpublished deal? One that even the Way don't get to see?
I'll put this up for you again. It is parody, not a reference document though:
'"The Brexiter’s guide to misunderstanding democracy
20th September 2019
ARE you a Brexiter unable to stop howling about democracy despite not knowing how it works? Here’s how to be a shouty, ill-informed w**ker:
Transparently love fascism
Balance your belief in democracy with mental statements like ‘If Remoaners don’t like it, give them one-way tickets to Venezuela. And if they won’t get on the plane, set police dogs on them.’
Have a curious understanding of ‘majority’
52 per cent of Britain voted for the EU to f**k off. That’s a massive super-majority and the idea that it’s only 37 per cent of the electorate is just Remoaners twisting reality.
Know nothing about democracy except the vote bit
Separation of powers? Independent judiciary? A mountain of erudite thought is available in a split second on Google, but why waste your time with Tocqueville (French) and John Stuart Mill (three names, clearly posh) when the only important definition of democracy is ‘Brexit’?
Be furious
Even though you didn’t give a toss about any vote before or since 2016, be absolutely batsh*t, brink-of-a-coronary furious about it all the time. If people shuffle away from you in the pub or your wife has left you, you’re defending democracy.
Believe MPs are your slaves
Prove your ignorance of representative democracy by insisting MPs must do exactly what voters tell them to. If someone provides a ridiculous counter-example, eg ‘So should they put sharks in swimming pools if idiots vote for it?’, just angrily reply ‘YES!’
Make sh*t up as usual
Everyone who voted for Brexit wants no-deal and fully understood every last detail, despite a lot of them believing patent nonsense like the EU wanting to change the name of bananas to ‘das Yellowenbendifreut’."'"I'm quoting you here "Everyine who voted for Brexit wants no deal AND FULLY UNDERSTOOD EVERY LAST DETAIL". Your exact words. You're saying, factually, that every person in the UK, who voted leave, 52% of them, knew exactly what they were voting for and wanted to leave the EU with no deal? That's what your saying. Correct? A fair few voted for it because they saw the the advertising of "we give X amount a week the the EU, we'll give it to the NHS" or some nonsense like that, that will never happen. So before you rant and rave, stop making shit up. And also, let's not forget the trolls who voted for Brexit because "all the immigrants are coming over here taking our jobs", I bet they did their research and found out that immigrants pay for in tax than they take it benefits. Dont worry though, you said EVERYONE who voted brexit new all about it. So you're talking nonsense and Terry, who's got 1 GCSE in art has had his job STOLEN by Mohammed the Qualified doctor. | |||
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" It might be easier to understand how a lot of leavers think if instead of EU and UK, swap them out with the old USSR and a nation in it, since really the EU is more like the USSR than the US of Europe it tends to be presented as. . If, as you suggest, leavers believe that life in the EU is like living in a totalitarian dictatorship then it just makes Brexit an even dumber proposition than I previously thought. " Unfortunately, we know something about it and if someone talking that Brexit is regaining freedom, he doesn't know what he is talking about. | |||
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"Most of the above is fluff. The simple fact is that the majority voted for Brexit in the general hope that the country would be a better place and without thinking of the consequences for the island of Ireland. What we have now got is absolute mess no matter happens in the near future. I blame the politicians for trusting the people, the majority of who (on both sides) are ignorant.." I want to dispute the ignorance but to be honest when you read the amount of front of brain crap that gets spouted by all sides it does make you wonder why we are not taught about all of this in school, citizenship classes and all that. I know I am guilty of venting my frustration on complacent thinkers in this forum probably because I think its too serious an issue to have stupid and aggressive comments thrown left and right by some on here, and I recognise that but honestly its no longer about whats good or bad for the country, its transformed into a fuck it all lets just do something no matter how much it hurts pov which frankly is just dumb imho. If thats what people think they were voting for then they are as ignorant as you suggest.  | |||
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"Most of the above is fluff. The simple fact is that the majority voted for Brexit in the general hope that the country would be a better place and without thinking of the consequences for the island of Ireland. What we have now got is absolute mess no matter happens in the near future. I blame the politicians for trusting the people, the majority of who (on both sides) are ignorant.. I want to dispute the ignorance but to be honest when you read the amount of front of brain crap that gets spouted by all sides it does make you wonder why we are not taught about all of this in school, citizenship classes and all that. I know I am guilty of venting my frustration on complacent thinkers in this forum probably because I think its too serious an issue to have stupid and aggressive comments thrown left and right by some on here, and I recognise that but honestly its no longer about whats good or bad for the country, its transformed into a fuck it all lets just do something no matter how much it hurts pov which frankly is just dumb imho. If thats what people think they were voting for then they are as ignorant as you suggest. "Don't disagree with you but the massive majority of us are ignorant about these matters in the same way that the massive majority of us are ignorant about brain surgery. Whatever happens Brexit is and will be a mess and I have yet to hear from anybody at all how we can be extricated from the mess...Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind.. | |||
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" It might be easier to understand how a lot of leavers think if instead of EU and UK, swap them out with the old USSR and a nation in it, since really the EU is more like the USSR than the US of Europe it tends to be presented as. . If, as you suggest, leavers believe that life in the EU is like living in a totalitarian dictatorship then it just makes Brexit an even dumber proposition than I previously thought. " Well I think the EU is like a growing dictatorship, because: The fact that once a nation joins the EU, like the mafia they can never leave. It reminds me of that line from the Tom Cruise film The Firm "No-one has ever left the Firm." They appear as a democracy but the MEPs can't really do that much and don't make any laws. Whoever makes them, they're unelected by people and can never be voted out, so aren't very accountable to us. That's why I think that has things in common with a dictatorship. The process of sucking nations' democracy from them might not be complete yet, but if you draw a graph the direction looks pretty clear. Having experienced our own taste of having our democracy thwarted when it doesn't suit: Vote to leave but our leaders on the EU gravy train work with the EU to keep us in after all, through the further referendums route. The referendum result was a once in a lifetime opportunity to escape. Tbh I can't really see the reason why nations of Europe can't just all have tailored trade agreements with each other, like we do with the rest of the world, and free movement within reason, without the need to have this EU thing ruling over everyone sucking them dry. ...and without having people like Guy Verhofstadt ranting things like "Nation states must transfer powers to the EU" while banging his fist. I mean all he needs is a moustache and he would look just a salute short of the Fuhrer himself. Here's a separate 1min clip of him continuing to rant like Hitler, the gist of it appearing to be, again, the EU must have the powers, not the member states. It's quite funny watching him go, someone stick a moustache on him (Hitler jokes are too easy really but I couldn't resist!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=palbAPN5irk Then we have Merkel aka Frau Engel from the Wolfenstein games with Macron - France's answer to Tony Blair (I nicked that one from someone else) - among others, banging on about the EU army - or EU military unification as she called it. Yeah the EU army would come in real handy for Macron right now. And also teach everyone else what will happen to them if they try to resist. No, I don't like it. Not to mention their EU poster depicting people as blockheads. Really, so that's what they think of us. But another time... Just wanted to explain a bit where I'm comin from. Ohhh, the thread title was "Are we leaving on Oct 31st?" Well now it's "Is the EU a dictatorship". Because I dictated so lol.  | |||
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" It might be easier to understand how a lot of leavers think if instead of EU and UK, swap them out with the old USSR and a nation in it, since really the EU is more like the USSR than the US of Europe it tends to be presented as. . If, as you suggest, leavers believe that life in the EU is like living in a totalitarian dictatorship then it just makes Brexit an even dumber proposition than I previously thought. Well I think the EU is like a growing dictatorship, because: The fact that once a nation joins the EU, like the mafia they can never leave. It reminds me of that line from the Tom Cruise film The Firm "No-one has ever left the Firm." They appear as a democracy but the MEPs can't really do that much and don't make any laws. Whoever makes them, they're unelected by people and can never be voted out, so aren't very accountable to us. That's why I think that has things in common with a dictatorship. The process of sucking nations' democracy from them might not be complete yet, but if you draw a graph the direction looks pretty clear. Having experienced our own taste of having our democracy thwarted when it doesn't suit: Vote to leave but our leaders on the EU gravy train work with the EU to keep us in after all, through the further referendums route. The referendum result was a once in a lifetime opportunity to escape. Tbh I can't really see the reason why nations of Europe can't just all have tailored trade agreements with each other, like we do with the rest of the world, and free movement within reason, without the need to have this EU thing ruling over everyone sucking them dry. ...and without having people like Guy Verhofstadt ranting things like "Nation states must transfer powers to the EU" while banging his fist. I mean all he needs is a moustache and he would look just a salute short of the Fuhrer himself. Here's a separate 1min clip of him continuing to rant like Hitler, the gist of it appearing to be, again, the EU must have the powers, not the member states. It's quite funny watching him go, someone stick a moustache on him (Hitler jokes are too easy really but I couldn't resist!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=palbAPN5irk Then we have Merkel aka Frau Engel from the Wolfenstein games with Macron - France's answer to Tony Blair (I nicked that one from someone else) - among others, banging on about the EU army - or EU military unification as she called it. Yeah the EU army would come in real handy for Macron right now. And also teach everyone else what will happen to them if they try to resist. No, I don't like it. Not to mention their EU poster depicting people as blockheads. Really, so that's what they think of us. But another time... Just wanted to explain a bit where I'm comin from. Ohhh, the thread title was "Are we leaving on Oct 31st?" Well now it's "Is the EU a dictatorship". Because I dictated so lol. "You need to have a lie down mate,  | |||
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But seriously I hope there's at least a few useful scraps there. Shows like Newshite, Have I Got Shite For You and Questionable Time never really talk about this. | |||
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" It might be easier to understand how a lot of leavers think if instead of EU and UK, swap them out with the old USSR and a nation in it, since really the EU is more like the USSR than the US of Europe it tends to be presented as. . If, as you suggest, leavers believe that life in the EU is like living in a totalitarian dictatorship then it just makes Brexit an even dumber proposition than I previously thought. Well I think the EU is like a growing dictatorship, because: The fact that once a nation joins the EU, like the mafia they can never leave. It reminds me of that line from the Tom Cruise film The Firm "No-one has ever left the Firm." They appear as a democracy but the MEPs can't really do that much and don't make any laws. Whoever makes them, they're unelected by people and can never be voted out, so aren't very accountable to us. That's why I think that has things in common with a dictatorship. The process of sucking nations' democracy from them might not be complete yet, but if you draw a graph the direction looks pretty clear. Having experienced our own taste of having our democracy thwarted when it doesn't suit: Vote to leave but our leaders on the EU gravy train work with the EU to keep us in after all, through the further referendums route. The referendum result was a once in a lifetime opportunity to escape. Tbh I can't really see the reason why nations of Europe can't just all have tailored trade agreements with each other, like we do with the rest of the world, and free movement within reason, without the need to have this EU thing ruling over everyone sucking them dry. ...and without having people like Guy Verhofstadt ranting things like "Nation states must transfer powers to the EU" while banging his fist. I mean all he needs is a moustache and he would look just a salute short of the Fuhrer himself. Here's a separate 1min clip of him continuing to rant like Hitler, the gist of it appearing to be, again, the EU must have the powers, not the member states. It's quite funny watching him go, someone stick a moustache on him (Hitler jokes are too easy really but I couldn't resist!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=palbAPN5irk Then we have Merkel aka Frau Engel from the Wolfenstein games with Macron - France's answer to Tony Blair (I nicked that one from someone else) - among others, banging on about the EU army - or EU military unification as she called it. Yeah the EU army would come in real handy for Macron right now. And also teach everyone else what will happen to them if they try to resist. No, I don't like it. Not to mention their EU poster depicting people as blockheads. Really, so that's what they think of us. But another time... Just wanted to explain a bit where I'm comin from. Ohhh, the thread title was "Are we leaving on Oct 31st?" Well now it's "Is the EU a dictatorship". Because I dictated so lol. " | |||
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But seriously I hope there's at least a few useful scraps there. Shows like Newshite, Have I Got Shite For You and Questionable Time never really talk about this."Because your post is all hyperbole and opinion which doesn’t count for much - repeatedly saying something doesn't make it true and ranting about the failings of politicians who actually seem to be able to get things done is a waste of energy. You know the BBC may not be to your taste but its still fairly even handed and not pursuing its masters agenda in the way that Sky does. | |||
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"No idea though I'd like it to be decided on way or another on that date but there's too many factors... Is Boris going to act unlawfully Is Boris going to act illegally Is Boris going to be still PM Is Boris going to be remanded into custody awaiting a court date "No he will get round it and wwe will leave | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . Let's try again ,, if someone you love requires daily medicine and there are . as you suggest , perhaps some disruption to start with , how many days can your loved one survive without their tablets , while things settle down ? I need daily medicine. I get given 3 months supply at a time, up to one month before I run out. So on Brexit day I will have anything between 1 and 4 months supply available. Don't know how long I would 'survive' without it, nor how ill I would get in the meantime, as I've never tried it. So you're okay for a few months? Lucky you "My Father-in-Law takes many more drugs than I do every day. His prescriptions are the same - 3 months at a time. | |||
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"The Brexit drones probably get their news from Facebook groups and Russia Today.Or any echo chamber that confirms their biases. "Glad you agree... | |||
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"As i have said before the deal is to be done after we leave ,at the moment its leave without a withdrawal agreement.The eu refused to talk about a trade deal in tandem with the withdrawal agreement so as to cause all these problems and discourage any other country from leaving.If both had been done at the same time there would have been no talk of backstops as it would have all been taken care of in the trade deal.T may should never have agreed to that in the 1st place but hey ho thats what happened.When we leave with no deal yes there will probably be some disruptions to start with while companies get used to the new rules but the eu will soon want to sit down and talk trade as it affects them just as much as us and i expect us to get a Canada style deal quiet soon after. . Let's try again ,, if someone you love requires daily medicine and there are . as you suggest , perhaps some disruption to start with , how many days can your loved one survive without their tablets , while things settle down ? I need daily medicine. I get given 3 months supply at a time, up to one month before I run out. So on Brexit day I will have anything between 1 and 4 months supply available. Don't know how long I would 'survive' without it, nor how ill I would get in the meantime, as I've never tried it. So you're okay for a few months? Lucky you
My Father-in-Law takes many more drugs than I do every day. His prescriptions are the same - 3 months at a time."Two of you are OK for for three months. That's 100% better. Problem solved | |||
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