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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year? "No | |||
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"Thats the way of politics these days, dont like someone throw enough shit and some has to stick.Fuck what the people voted for. " Conversely, do enough bad shit, it increases the probability that you seal your own fate. It's generally better to have leaders and others serving the public, who have exceptionally high levels of integrity. Narcissists don't make particularly good specimens of those that will put the greater good before their own. Free of remorse, they'll use you as you are worthless once they have no further gains to take. | |||
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"Thats the way of politics these days, dont like someone throw enough shit and some has to stick.Fuck what the people voted for. " No shit is being thrown. He is the one generating it all. | |||
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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year? "No. Integrity is no longer important. | |||
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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year?
No. Integrity is no longer important."Yep. I am hearing from commentators with the inside line that if impeachment were by secret ballot there are 29 or 30 republicans would vote to convict in The Senate, but because it is an open vote they will nearly all toe the party line. So much for the leaders of the Free World and Home of The Brave.  | |||
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"Can you imagine Pence in charge? " Handmaid's Tale | |||
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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year? "Yes, it will get him more votes when it's proved to be yet another desperate Democrat smear attempt. | |||
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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year?
Yes, it will get him more votes when it's proved to be yet another desperate Democrat smear attempt. "...except it's been recorded and written down. It can't be a smear if it has happened and there is evidence to demonstrate that it happened  | |||
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"Can you imagine Pence in charge? " trump make down pence with him.... trump for the crime, pence for the cover up! all hail president pelosi!!!! | |||
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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year?
Yes, it will get him more votes when it's proved to be yet another desperate Democrat smear attempt.
...except it's been recorded and written down.
It can't be a smear if it has happened and there is evidence to demonstrate that it happened "and he has basically admitted it, and tried the "well what about them!" excuse/defence...... if even half of what the whistleblower said is true (and none of what they have said isn't true so far).... then he should be done for! trump is going to take down barr.... rudy is blaming "state"... which is going to take down pompeo.... and if pence knew of the cover up he would be done for as well..... | |||
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"I actually think this one is a stretch. You would have to be some sort of nut job to think that Trump was in the wrong for bringing up the fact that bidens son had interests in ukraine and the prosecuter lost his job for looking into the interests, and Trump asking if that was all above board and if no pressure was put on them by america. I dont know how people who dont like trump can twist logic in their head to make that mean trump should be impeached." Witholding US military aid contingent on a politically motivated investigation is carried out not even slightly dodgy? OK  | |||
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"Who gives a shit we have enough problems here. " ...because we are planning to become his bitch | |||
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"Witholding US military aid contingent on a politically motivated investigation is carried out not even slightly dodgy? OK "Is that what the whistleblower said? or did they say they had no access to the call but said details of the call were hidden? You assume pressure was put on them to open an investigation with funds witheld, not because that is what the whistleblower said, but its because its the scenario you imagine happening because you dont like him. | |||
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"Its not looking good now for Donald" I would say its not looking good for hunter biden and his dad too.i think they are going to score an own goal on this one. | |||
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"Its not looking good now for DonaldI would say its not looking good for hunter biden and his dad too.i think they are going to score an own goal on this one." They've not really been the key instigators of this though. There are official channels that are used to investigate citizens but Trump's approach potentially smells badly of him being up to no good, for his own political ends. Pelosi has been highly reluctant to initiate an investigation but this likely action has taken things too far. | |||
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"Witholding US military aid contingent on a politically motivated investigation is carried out not even slightly dodgy? OK
Is that what the whistleblower said? or did they say they had no access to the call but said details of the call were hidden?
You assume pressure was put on them to open an investigation with funds witheld, not because that is what the whistleblower said, but its because its the scenario you imagine happening because you dont like him."And equally he could say that you see things your way because you like the Donald. Trump and Boris both suffer from delusions of grandeur but Trump is a bully and doesn’t care about anything while Boris wants to be liked even though he has been bad! He is like a petulant child who needs reassurance from his parents before he goes back to kicking his sister under the table and claiming it wasn’t him and she’s making it up. | |||
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"I actually think this one is a stretch. You would have to be some sort of nut job to think that Trump was in the wrong for bringing up the fact that bidens son had interests in ukraine and the prosecuter lost his job for looking into the interests, and Trump asking if that was all above board and if no pressure was put on them by america. I dont know how people who dont like trump can twist logic in their head to make that mean trump should be impeached. Witholding US military aid contingent on a politically motivated investigation is carried out not even slightly dodgy? OK "Wasn't telling the ukraine the usa was withholding $1 billion dollars of guarantees unless the prosecutor was sacked a "bit dodgy"?.Who delivered that message oh no hunters dad jo when he was vice president.Im not a trump fan and could not care less who americans vote for so no affiliation to any of them but pot kettle spring to mind. | |||
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" Is that what the whistleblower said? or did they say they had no access to the call but said details of the call were hidden? You assume pressure was put on them to open an investigation with funds witheld, not because that is what the whistleblower said, but its because its the scenario you imagine happening because you dont like him." interesting spin.... one slight flaw in your arguement.... The transcript the whitehouse let out of the call..... the fact that trump has basically said that he did....... you might want to read the 1st paragraph! "In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election." | |||
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" Is that what the whistleblower said? or did they say they had no access to the call but said details of the call were hidden? You assume pressure was put on them to open an investigation with funds witheld, not because that is what the whistleblower said, but its because its the scenario you imagine happening because you dont like him. interesting spin.... one slight flaw in your arguement.... The transcript the whitehouse let out of the call..... the fact that trump has basically said that he did....... you might want to read the 1st paragraph! "In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election." " yeah? how is that a flaw in my argument? The person also admitted that they never heard the call, they only knew it had not passed into the normal archive and had been pushed to top secret. What he said to them is that they are corrupt, that they opened an investigation into bidens son, biden contacted them, and the prosecuter got sacked and the next prosecuter dropped the investigation. He probably went on to discuss top secret info in regard to what the money should be used for, terror threats etc. Now if you dont like trump, that 1 minute section sounds like a "investigate bidens son or get no money". But if you like him it sounds like "You guys are corrupt and need to look into it". The money was cleared for them and given to them anyway, so you can not say the money was held until they opened an investigation. And the whistleblower interfered with elections 2020 more than trump did, as the white house put it into a top secret archive, this whistleblower brought it up. | |||
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"the best arguement being spun is that the information is 2nd hand..... the whistleblower admits all the info is 2nd hand on page 1!!! people are trying the attack the credibility of the whistleblower (which isn't working when the DNI say this people acted in good faith and followed all the procedures to the letter of the rules) what people who are spinning aren't doing is attacking the info in the document, because so far its all be true..... the biden/ukraine stuff is a red herring, because what people fail to also mention are a few things... a) it wasn't just the US that had concerns over the then ukrainian prosecutor... it was also the EU and the IMF.... and ALL of them said they would withold under he was removed.... b) when the ukrainians did another investigation it was found that the former prosecutor (who all the right now seem to want to back) was actually found to be HINDERING the then investigation....... but hey... if you are going to tell the story.... you may as well tell the whole story " why did the UK freeze v zelenskiy,s 3.5 million who was in cahoots with hunter and ask the prosecutor to look into corruption before he was sacked then? | |||
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"the best arguement being spun is that the information is 2nd hand..... the whistleblower admits all the info is 2nd hand on page 1!!! people are trying the attack the credibility of the whistleblower (which isn't working when the DNI say this people acted in good faith and followed all the procedures to the letter of the rules) what people who are spinning aren't doing is attacking the info in the document, because so far its all be true..... the biden/ukraine stuff is a red herring, because what people fail to also mention are a few things... a) it wasn't just the US that had concerns over the then ukrainian prosecutor... it was also the EU and the IMF.... and ALL of them said they would withold under he was removed.... b) when the ukrainians did another investigation it was found that the former prosecutor (who all the right now seem to want to back) was actually found to be HINDERING the then investigation....... but hey... if you are going to tell the story.... you may as well tell the whole story why did the UK freeze v zelenskiy,s 3.5 million who was in cahoots with hunter and ask the prosecutor to look into corruption before he was sacked then?" sorry getting mixed up with all these names i meant m zlochevsky the founder of burisma not the president and was $23 million in uk bank accounts. | |||
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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year? No"I see you're dead on the money again... This impeachment process may well be completed before the US enters election year. The new question should be how much of the GOP is trump going to throw under the bus and take down with him? Any opinions on that anyone? | |||
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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year? No
I see you're dead on the money again...
This impeachment process may well be completed before the US enters election year.
The new question should be how much of the GOP is trump going to throw under the bus and take down with him?
Any opinions on that anyone?"I was going to say something similar - everyone will be used by him for maximum benefits only for him. If sacrificing any of them, to help to keep him afloat, seems right, he'd kill the lot of them. As with the ex-lawyer, he seems to have the knack of keeping them exposed, just in case. Perhaps a little like all of those business suppliers who were always the losers in his business failure ventures - I guess they were largely started to ensure others paid for his ego trips. Ivanka is probably safe. He has no interest in the party, unless it can further his re-election - happy to use and dispose of them all for gain Giuliano probably has little value, now he's not in politics, so would happily be disposed of. It's going to depend on whether the Republican led house votes to impeach. | |||
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"Will this effect the GOP as they enter an election year? No
I see you're dead on the money again...
This impeachment process may well be completed before the US enters election year.
The new question should be how much of the GOP is trump going to throw under the bus and take down with him?
Any opinions on that anyone?"if trump goes then then i think he will try and take everyone with me..... the crime is one thing... the cover up is something else! lets see if any republicans other than mitt romney grow a spine...... | |||
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"looks like things about to get more interesting..... 2nd whistleblower comes forward... this one can confirm everything whistleblower no.1 says... and has firsthand knowledge" And there is reportedly another whistle blower in the IRS who says there has been serious misconduct in regards to an IRS audit of Trump and The Trump Organisation and another cover-up. | |||
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" Fact A. The Democratic front runner to take on Trump in 2020 Biden threatened Ukraine with withholding $1 billion in loan guarantees unless they sack the prosecutor investigating the Gas company that had paid Bidens son $50k a month for basically doing nothing at all . Fact B . Trump asks the newly elected ‘anti corruption’ President of Ukraine to reopen the investigation into the company that was paying Bidens son all that money for doing nothing at all and withholds $100m destined for arms for about a week . The American people are not as stupid as some people on here think and can see Biden is even more corrupt than Hilary Clinton and that really takes some doing . " Fact A+ It was US and EU policy to remove the Ukrainian "anti-corruption" minister because he was...corrupt. Fact B+ It is not US policy to investigate Joe Biden's son or get dirt on a Presidential competitor. Is the son of a rich man slightly dodgy? Yes, just like the junior Trumps. Is it corrupt to use US national leverage to get dirt on a competitor. I'd say yes. What would you say? The American people may or may not be stupid. You seem to have different definitions of corrupt depending on whom you are talking though. | |||
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"The last president who claimed he could not be prosecuted because of his presidency was a certain Richard Nixon. I have no idea how that worked our for him...But i also know if it his only defence Trumps in bother lol..... ". Luckily trump has zero friends to pardon him unlike tricky Dicky and most of everybody else in government. I can't see it sticking though myself, trumps Teflon, the more shit they throw the easier it wipes off. | |||
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