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By *ary_Argyll OP Man
over a year ago

Argyll

Do you think the US will attack Iran, or just encourage Saudi Arabia to attack?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

More likely to do it themselves lets hope not it is a dangerous situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a Muslim war which unfortunately makes Western parties interested because there's an awful lot of oil there.

If there'd just got sand we'd just leave them to get on with hacking each other up for who's version of there sky God is better.

Saudi took a decision to back the dollar decades ago and for that they get American protection, if Saddam had taken the same decision he'd still be alive and if the West finally wakes up and stops electing complete spunk trumpet war mongering so called liberals we'd be even better off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" if the West finally wakes up and stops electing complete spunk trumpet war mongering so called liberals we'd be even better off.

If ever someone wants to know the perfect description of an

Oxymoron

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Will the USA attack a country with nuclear weapons? With Trump in charge and him having given Saudi the say, I think so. Will the USA and Saudi win? I very much doubt it, the question is will anyone in the USA stop Trump before he starts a vanity (nuclear) war? I doubt it. I think the outcome is down to will Iran strike at Trump or his family and business? If they do then Trump will fold like a cheap suit, if not then CinC 'Bone-spurs' will be looking for any excuse to escalate. After all hard men who win wars win elections and get to rewrite history...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Do you think the US will attack Iran, or just encourage Saudi Arabia to attack?"

Is there an election anywhere soon?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both Iran and Saudi Arabia have been allowed to get away with things and others have been scapegoated, and as long as the West is dependent on oil then they will continue to be allowed to get away with things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will the USA attack a country with nuclear weapons? With Trump in charge and him having given Saudi the say, I think so. Will the USA and Saudi win? I very much doubt it, the question is will anyone in the USA stop Trump before he starts a vanity (nuclear) war? I doubt it. I think the outcome is down to will Iran strike at Trump or his family and business? If they do then Trump will fold like a cheap suit, if not then CinC 'Bone-spurs' will be looking for any excuse to escalate. After all hard men who win wars win elections and get to rewrite history..."

Doubt Trump will but the Israelis could well do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Both Iran and Saudi Arabia have been allowed to get away with things and others have been scapegoated, and as long as the West is dependent on oil then they will continue to be allowed to get away with things."

Just more reasons for us to concentrate on electric cars ect using alternative sources so we don’t have to rely on them

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

No, neither the US nor Saudi Arabia have an interest to start a war with Iran, a war nobody would win, but tumble the whole region into a warzone and the bloodshed would be immense. Besides Trump knows a war is costing a lot of money and although the war mongers in his government are working relentlessly to push him for a strike against Iran, he resisted so far pretty well.

I would argue though that Trump has a lot to do with the tense situation by withdrawing from the Iran Deal last year.

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

So the media push against Iran continues, and we continue to get told they're doing terrible things, just as with Syria, Libya et al.

Yes it is likely an invasion will happen, because the lovely globalist people want to get their mitts on Iran - and their resources - probably the last real independent state in the middle east.

Seemingly good news though, as the sociopathic warmonger John Bolton has been sacked! This man, who didn't work so much for Trump as for the corrupt system Trump and his party were elected into, has been causing trouble for ages including being largely behind what's going on in Venezuela as they attempt to perform a coup on the democratically elected President Maduro, with the propaganda campaign against him in full swing. So good on Trump for getting rid of Mr Bolton apprentice style - "You're Fired"! Although it doesn't solve the problem, Bolton out the door surely can't be bad.

Will we next be told Iran are chemical attacking their own people, or perhaps even weapons of mass destruction? Will we have more bombs going off such as the Baghdad car bomb a few years ago which killed 10 people?

Problem was, it seems a nearby camera wasn't noticed which picked up that carbomb incident from another angle. Someone walks away from the car, 10 seconds later the bomb goes off, then some sort of minibus pulls up sharply, a bunch of people run out and lie on the ground around the car, forming the scene seen in photos on the news but appearing to not be very dead at all, having me bemused wondering "What did I just see?"

The footage is available for a limited time - until it gets censored.

Unless it's some sort of fake psy-op, with that extra footage released deliberately to get people to 'fall for it' and look foolish, it looks like something funny is going on. And if so will we see if any similar tricks are pulled with Iran.

I don't think we ever did get proof Assad were behind the Syria chemical attacks afaik? We were told many times every day over and over and over that they definitely were but that's not the same. It's also not saying Assad didn't, just where's the foookin proof?!

Anyway, with Hillary in charge the invasion of Iran would likely already be running on full beans, and the mustachioed maniac Bolton would still be there making a nuisance of himself. She was also wild eyed about war with Russia, though I have my doubts about Putin (I think he's dodgy and playing games).

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Kind of hope they don’t bother. I’m going Dubai next month for a month.

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

tldr:

One more thing *squints eye and waves hand around head with a cigar*

So if Trump has sacked Bolton because of disagreements over Iran, and Mad John wants waaaaaaarrrr; given he's at odds with Trump how is Trump the warmonger again?

Oh well, we should have had woman of peace Hillary instead, she would never want war.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Doubt Trump will but the Israelis could well do"

This.

I think the USA will bankroll the Israelis, probably even provide support, but let them do all the hitting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trump was saying how the oil will not effect the USA as they have more than anyone else in fact they have more of everything than anyone else.

Yes more unemployment, more people living in shitty trailer parks living on welfare

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There has been a proxy war going on between saudi and iran for years and before that it was iraq and iran battling it out. The US would like to get their mitts on Irans massive oil reserves but as the iranians are a tough nut to crack they are happy to get their Saudi buddies to do the work as its good for business too. The departure of Bolton is actually a bloody good move but I suspect the motivation was more about Trump being unable to control him. Interesting too that if Bolton hadnt spent so much time on fucking venezuela over than maybe there wouldnt be such a problem of caravans of refugees heading for the wall. Then of course now that the russians have a foothold in the med with their support of Assads Syria we will probably see a lot of shifting allegiances and more wars.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He stood on a mandate of absolute nonsense.

Of course he wants war. He works, as do all US presidents, directly for the oil, financial, and arms companies.

War is extremely lucrative.

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown

He stood on a mandate of absolute nonsense.

Of course he wants war. He works, as do all US presidents, directly for the oil, financial, and arms companies.

War is extremely lucrative."

Quite right, and he doesn't have anything else to campaign on. He's failed to deliver his other main campaign promises so why would he be bothered with ignoring this one?

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The one thing about Iran is, they are historically more "Iranian" than "Muslim".

Most muslim countries splinter when external pressure is applied as one sect can be undermined. This is traditionally very hard to do in Iran where they see their country and nationality as hugely important, and when under threat they have a history of being able to pull all sects together.

If it wasn't for their oil, and grander aspirations, we would easily be their friend.

I can imagine how frustrating it is for such a big country, and people proud of their country to feel like it is do what America says or suffer. I can understand how that can create an attitude of "well lets do exactly the opposite of what they want if they are going to be cunts to us".

It's just not an ideal situation.

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

A retired US diplomat said on TV recently that a Sunni vs Shi-ite war is inevitable one day and the West should let them get on with it. But we'd better build up our oil stocks first.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Do you think the US will attack Iran, or just encourage Saudi Arabia to attack?"

One aspect nobody seems to be talking about much is how easy it was for Iran to cause so much damage in an attack against Saudi Arabia - a country equipped with the best kit and training the Western countries can sell it.

It speaks to a level of military and intelligence unpreparedness bordering on incompetence.

So, if there is - God forbid - a shooting war between Saudi Arabia and Iran; the US will, undoubtedly, involve itself to prevent a highly likely Saudi defeat.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doubt Trump will but the Israelis could well do

This.

I think the USA will bankroll the Israelis, probably even provide support, but let them do all the hitting."

If Benjy wins the Israeli election a air strike on Iran will be on the cards. The Corbynistas will go ape shit and anti-semitism will rock the Labour party again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doubt Trump will but the Israelis could well do

This.

I think the USA will bankroll the Israelis, probably even provide support, but let them do all the hitting.

If Benjy wins the Israeli election a air strike on Iran will be on the cards. The Corbynistas will go ape shit and anti-semitism will rock the Labour party again"

So you think there is a link between the US and Israel? Come on now....why would the Israelis want to be a proxy for the US? Read some history and you will discover that its all the fault of us and the french when we created arbitrary borders throughout the near and Middle East without taking any tribal or religious considerations into account. The anti semitism trope is tiresome. You might as well say why do so many jews vote conservative? And before you try and go all PC on me I have plenty of lovely jewish friends who actually dont like what Israel are doing either. My point is that you are just touting the same old hysterical bollocks that has been proven to be untrue. Corbyns biggest problem is that he doesn’t know how to do public relations and because he doesnt play the game with the press and keeps his cards close to his chest the press do everything in their power to undermine him. If you choose to follow that path too then more fool you.

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Yes. Iran needs flattening

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Yes. Iran needs flattening"

Why?

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

If anyone expects a war with Iran to be just like the Iraq war, where we all watched it on TV, think again !! It will not only be played out in the Middle East it will happen on the streets of Europe and the USA as well.

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By *avagliamMan
over a year ago

London

"More likely to do it themselves lets hope not it is a dangerous situation."

Very... Ready to send our troops? I'm sure trompo won't be happy if we don't (this will be part of the great deal with the US).

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The outcome of the snap election in Israel will play into Trump's thinking, which in turn will play into the Saudi thinking.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

the u.s wont go to war with iran for the simple fact iran have a real navy air force and massive standing army and like someone else has said no matter what religion or sect of islam they may follow the peeps of iran are iranian above anything else and the us dont like going to war with anyone that there not absolutlley sure they could beat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think the US will attack Iran, or just encourage Saudi Arabia to attack?"

I think that there are many people on all sides who are poking their enemies with red hot pokers.

I also think that if any of this escalates, there is a very good chance that within a couple of hours or so the destruction which could be unleashed would be enough to turn planet Earth into planet Mars version 2.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doubt Trump will but the Israelis could well do

This.

I think the USA will bankroll the Israelis, probably even provide support, but let them do all the hitting.

If Benjy wins the Israeli election a air strike on Iran will be on the cards. The Corbynistas will go ape shit and anti-semitism will rock the Labour party again

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I know my history thank you very much and I know that the same people who failed to give the Palestinians a homeland at that time also buggered Ireland up.

Easy enough to know why Israel will be a proxy for the US. Thanks for standing with them when the wall was built and for ignoring all UN resolutions condemning Israeli actions against the Palestinian people.

Corbyn's biggest problem is his momentum brothers who hate anyone and everyone who do not follow their mode of thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doubt Trump will but the Israelis could well do

This.

I think the USA will bankroll the Israelis, probably even provide support, but let them do all the hitting.

If Benjy wins the Israeli election a air strike on Iran will be on the cards. The Corbynistas will go ape shit and anti-semitism will rock the Labour party again

I know my history thank you very much and I know that the same people who failed to give the Palestinians a homeland at that time also buggered Ireland up.

Corbyn's biggest problem is his momentum brothers who hate anyone and everyone who do not follow their mode of thinking.

I was once given an explanation from a teacher about the whole middle east problem. It was very simplistic. Was the teacher in a simplistic manner, correct?

Apparently, Britain (the UK, England etc) entered into World War 2 without being invaded. Britain (the UK, England etc) were hell bent on winning an argument they didn't start.

In order to drum up support and stand a chance of winning, Britain (the UK, England etc) offered various middle eastern countries the opportunity to support Britain (the UK, England etc) by fighting against "the enemy".

In return Britain (the UK, England etc) promised a slice of land (to call their own) to whichever country chose to fight in favour of Britain (the UK, England etc).

Unfortunately, the offer proved to be a good one, and it turned out that Britain (the UK, England etc) had "won" the war.

This presented a paradox to Britain (the UK, England etc) as multiple "countries" had helped Britain (the UK, England etc) to win the war. Multiple "countries" were therefore entitled to claim ownership of the small slice of land promised by Britain (the UK, England etc).

But Britain (the UK, England etc) couldn't decide which of those "countries" to give the small slice of land to, the Britain (the UK, England etc) just threw their hands in the air and allowed all the claimant countries to fight over it.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Those Iranian cruise missiles and drones being shown by the Saudi’s on Sky News...

Imagine the Iranians labelling their military hardware with Roman letters and numerals???

What the fuck????