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Time to Make all Votes Count !

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I really do think now is the time to have percentage voting !

Get 10 percent of the vote equals ten per cent of the parliamentary seats !

Simples !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And in other news turkeys will be voting for Christmas....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really do think now is the time to have percentage voting !

Get 10 percent of the vote equals ten per cent of the parliamentary seats !

Simples !"

And how are those geographically allocated?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really do think now is the time to have percentage voting !

Get 10 percent of the vote equals ten per cent of the parliamentary seats !

Simples !

And how are those geographically allocated?"

Proportional Representation. Merge 5 constituencies / boroughs each with 5 seats.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I would let each party provide an mp or party member for each area , so basically you would have a contact for any party you liked .

Most issues can be dealt with your councillors .

The thing would be every vote would count and here’s the thing , if your Scottish living in England you could vote snp or in Belfast con or labour if you wanted !

You would vote for a party not an mp .

I would also extend voting to the channel isle and Isle of Man .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Welcome back Mr Suit! Its been to long my friend.

I agree it’s time for change the system.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I really do think now is the time to have percentage voting !

Get 10 percent of the vote equals ten per cent of the parliamentary seats !

Simples !

And how are those geographically allocated?"

Why would that matter? After all, it's a parliamentary democracy.....and it works in other countries.

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By *ete1260Man
over a year ago

Evesham


"I would let each party provide an mp or party member for each area , so basically you would have a contact for any party you liked .

Most issues can be dealt with your councillors .

The thing would be every vote would count and here’s the thing , if your Scottish living in England you could vote snp or in Belfast con or labour if you wanted !

You would vote for a party not an mp .

I would also extend voting to the channel isle and Isle of Man ."
BUT the Channel Islands are NOT part of the United Kingdom - IOM too I think.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I would let each party provide an mp or party member for each area , so basically you would have a contact for any party you liked .

Most issues can be dealt with your councillors .

The thing would be every vote would count and here’s the thing , if your Scottish living in England you could vote snp or in Belfast con or labour if you wanted !

You would vote for a party not an mp .

I would also extend voting to the channel isle and Isle of Man . BUT the Channel Islands are NOT part of the United Kingdom - IOM too I think."
I’m never too sure but I think they are but with some autonomy , but if they aren’t part of the UK ? Are they in the European Union ?

Pretty sure they are U.K. ? If not they would be part of the Brexit Aguement aswell ?

Also Gibraltar voted in the referendum !

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By *ete1260Man
over a year ago

Evesham


"I would let each party provide an mp or party member for each area , so basically you would have a contact for any party you liked .

Most issues can be dealt with your councillors .

The thing would be every vote would count and here’s the thing , if your Scottish living in England you could vote snp or in Belfast con or labour if you wanted !

You would vote for a party not an mp .

I would also extend voting to the channel isle and Isle of Man . BUT the Channel Islands are NOT part of the United Kingdom - IOM too I think. I’m never too sure but I think they are but with some autonomy , but if they aren’t part of the UK ? Are they in the European Union ?

Pretty sure they are U.K. ? If not they would be part of the Brexit Aguement aswell ?

Also Gibraltar voted in the referendum !"
The Channel Islands are self-governing (NO Party Politics) and outside the EU. - no VAT in CI. NOT in UK but Crown Dependencies I believe.

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

By percentage voting I take it you mean proportional representation ?

If we take Germany as an example you still vote for an MP but you have two votes.

Germans elect their members of parliament with two votes. The first vote is for a direct candidate, who ought to receive a plurality vote in their electoral district. The second vote is used to elect a party list in each state as established by its respective party caucus. The Bundestag comprises seats representing each electoral district, with the remainder of seats being allocated to maintain proportionality based on the second vote. Common practice is that direct candidates are also placed on the electoral lists at higher rankings as a fall-back if they do not win their districts.

Your party has to win 5% of the votes to win seats in the Bundestag.

Your kind offer of extending voting to the Crown Dependencies is very nice but we prefer the system we currently have.

That is we have our own Parliament, we raise our own taxes and make our own laws. We only rely on the UK for international relations and defence, mind you the last time we asked you to defend us, you abandoned the Channel Islands to five years of German Occupation !!

Also we’re not members of the EU

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"By percentage voting I take it you mean proportional representation ?

If we take Germany as an example you still vote for an MP but you have two votes.

Germans elect their members of parliament with two votes. The first vote is for a direct candidate, who ought to receive a plurality vote in their electoral district. The second vote is used to elect a party list in each state as established by its respective party caucus. The Bundestag comprises seats representing each electoral district, with the remainder of seats being allocated to maintain proportionality based on the second vote. Common practice is that direct candidates are also placed on the electoral lists at higher rankings as a fall-back if they do not win their districts.

Your party has to win 5% of the votes to win seats in the Bundestag.

Your kind offer of extending voting to the Crown Dependencies is very nice but we prefer the system we currently have.

That is we have our own Parliament, we raise our own taxes and make our own laws. We only rely on the UK for international relations and defence, mind you the last time we asked you to defend us, you abandoned the Channel Islands to five years of German Occupation !!

Also we’re not members of the EU "
Can’t argue as you know more about the Channel Ilses than me !

And yes I’ve always been surprised how that betrayal in ww2 gets airbrushed a lot !

So yes I get your point .

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"I really do think now is the time to have percentage voting !

Get 10 percent of the vote equals ten per cent of the parliamentary seats !

Simples !"

We had a referendum on proportional representation not that long ago.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"We had a referendum on proportional representation not that long ago."

No we did not! We had the option of changing the voting system from FPTP to an abortion of a system that was passing itself off as a PR system but wasn't.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

How about this then?

Firstly, scrap the house of Lords, and the Lords themselves, in favour of a second house.

Still have the FPTP system, but also use the votes cast nationally to provide proportional representation.

As Parliament is supposed to represent the national interest, then the General Election votes would be used proportionately to provide MPs in The House of Commons, with a minimum of 5% needed to get an MP into the commons. There does not need to be 650 of them - say 300 in total. These could be 'regionalised', so that they liaise with 2 or 3 of their relevant members in the second house (what was The House of Lords). The second house comprises the 650 locally elected MPs using the FPTP system.

This would save the cost of 350 MPs (and all their other expenses) and 150 Lords, get rid of the 'cronyism' of making people Lords, and be more representative of the national vote in the house of commons. And, as there's fewer MPs in the house of commons, they will all have a seat, and it may actually make things more civilised and less of a shouting match.

Add to this I would also get rid of parliamentary recesses... They can have the statutory minimum days holiday, and have to book it, just like the rest of us. I would also revise all their expenses and pensions, and restrict them from other earnings. I would also make it obligatory to sit whilst in session (I'm sick of seeing an empty chamber during debates), and obligatory to cast a vote (no abstentions). And I would have each sitting from 09:00 to 17:00, with a short break either side of a half hour lunch.

And if a constituency MP leaves a party (by their choice, not through having the whip removed), then they have to resign their position as an MP and a by-election is triggered. If this by-election then changes the proportion of the national vote, then the relevant representative in the House of Commons also has to be changed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How about this then?

Firstly, scrap the house of Lords, and the Lords themselves, in favour of a second house.

Still have the FPTP system, but also use the votes cast nationally to provide proportional representation.

As Parliament is supposed to represent the national interest, then the General Election votes would be used proportionately to provide MPs in The House of Commons, with a minimum of 5% needed to get an MP into the commons. There does not need to be 650 of them - say 300 in total. These could be 'regionalised', so that they liaise with 2 or 3 of their relevant members in the second house (what was The House of Lords). The second house comprises the 650 locally elected MPs using the FPTP system.

This would save the cost of 350 MPs (and all their other expenses) and 150 Lords, get rid of the 'cronyism' of making people Lords, and be more representative of the national vote in the house of commons. And, as there's fewer MPs in the house of commons, they will all have a seat, and it may actually make things more civilised and less of a shouting match.

Add to this I would also get rid of parliamentary recesses... They can have the statutory minimum days holiday, and have to book it, just like the rest of us. I would also revise all their expenses and pensions, and restrict them from other earnings. I would also make it obligatory to sit whilst in session (I'm sick of seeing an empty chamber during debates), and obligatory to cast a vote (no abstentions). And I would have each sitting from 09:00 to 17:00, with a short break either side of a half hour lunch.

And if a constituency MP leaves a party (by their choice, not through having the whip removed), then they have to resign their position as an MP and a by-election is triggered. If this by-election then changes the proportion of the national vote, then the relevant representative in the House of Commons also has to be changed."

Interesting concept although I think the last paragraph wouldn’t work as it doesn’t allow for enough variety of opinion within a party and also I worry that the system would then be biased towards larger political parties with little room for independent thought?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"How about this then?

Firstly, scrap the house of Lords, and the Lords themselves, in favour of a second house.

Still have the FPTP system, but also use the votes cast nationally to provide proportional representation.

As Parliament is supposed to represent the national interest, then the General Election votes would be used proportionately to provide MPs in The House of Commons, with a minimum of 5% needed to get an MP into the commons. There does not need to be 650 of them - say 300 in total. These could be 'regionalised', so that they liaise with 2 or 3 of their relevant members in the second house (what was The House of Lords). The second house comprises the 650 locally elected MPs using the FPTP system.

This would save the cost of 350 MPs (and all their other expenses) and 150 Lords, get rid of the 'cronyism' of making people Lords, and be more representative of the national vote in the house of commons. And, as there's fewer MPs in the house of commons, they will all have a seat, and it may actually make things more civilised and less of a shouting match.

Add to this I would also get rid of parliamentary recesses... They can have the statutory minimum days holiday, and have to book it, just like the rest of us. I would also revise all their expenses and pensions, and restrict them from other earnings. I would also make it obligatory to sit whilst in session (I'm sick of seeing an empty chamber during debates), and obligatory to cast a vote (no abstentions). And I would have each sitting from 09:00 to 17:00, with a short break either side of a half hour lunch.

And if a constituency MP leaves a party (by their choice, not through having the whip removed), then they have to resign their position as an MP and a by-election is triggered. If this by-election then changes the proportion of the national vote, then the relevant representative in the House of Commons also has to be changed.

Interesting concept although I think the last paragraph wouldn’t work as it doesn’t allow for enough variety of opinion within a party and also I worry that the system would then be biased towards larger political parties with little room for independent thought? "

In a prpportional representation system, independents would not get into the HOC, but they would getinto the replacement for the House of Lords.

MPs are voted in by their affiliations to their party... Hence people voting Labour, Conservative etc, and should keep broadly in line with their party's manifesto - certainly the majot items. If they choose to leave the party, then they should also accept that there should be a by-election in their constituency.

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