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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I’ll go first:

With Deal Brexit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shy voters screw things up, js......

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By *izzymonkeyMan
over a year ago

Hiding In A Bush

I like the flaming flamingos idea now.....they are far more fun....the whole political bullshit is just pissing me off now!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo "

I’m a remainer but respect the referendum so I’m my opinion we leave but with a deal! Reckless not to have a deal in place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

3 or 4

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just to clarify: No Deal means leave on 31st with it without a deal.

And With Deal means only leave if there’s a deal.

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By *urls and DressesWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere near here

Cancel it, I didn’t want it in the first place

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I like the flaming flamingos idea now.....they are far more fun....the whole political bullshit is just pissing me off now!!!

Fair enough. I’m sure there’s a lot feeling like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no deal

with a deal: provided its not awful and is not worse than what we originally had

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2nd referendum where everyone knows exactly what they’re voting for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted leave but now I would cancel the whole stupid thing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Please keep posting. I wish to see how ordinary folk truly feel today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"2nd referendum where everyone knows exactly what they’re voting for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't give a flying flamingo, my anxiety can't take it. I can't worry about what can't control any more. Leaving them to it and going to go and colour in in my den, other flying flamingos welcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cancel it, it was a bloody stupid idea to start with and it's only got stupider since.

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By *inn_the_humanMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Genuinely delighted that my one place of solace from this absolute shitshow is now getting involved in the Brexit debate. It's what this site has been missing

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By *ieandteaseMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire

"Please keep posting. I wish to see how ordinary folk truly feel today."

You think there's ordinary folk on a site where guys wearing dresses sacking cock or ladies with strap on cocks is their profile pic to the world? Bless you all for posting those pics, the he'll with ordinary folk.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Leave, no deal.

The government asked the question, they have to do the right thing. Nobody asked them for a referendum.

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By *urls and DressesWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere near here

"Please keep posting. I wish to see how ordinary folk truly feel today."

Are you really Boris and using this post to find out what the uk really wants??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Voted leave but we need a second vote now we actually know what we are voting for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will go with cancel brexit altogether

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Please keep posting. I wish to see how ordinary folk truly feel today.

Are you really Boris and using this post to find out what the uk really wants??"

Lol. No I’m as sick of it all as the next person but wish to see regardless of how you voted in 2016 what is all your thoughts right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A second referendum would be as un democratic as the first thanks to Facebook. Google Carol Cadwalladr Brexit for details.

Get us a deal tho ffs or we're all f***ed. This is why I voted remain. Not because I like the EU I really don't. But nobody had so much as a plan scribbled on a fag packet about what to do if we left.

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By *hubarbandcustard1000Couple
over a year ago

Dudley

"Couldn't give a flying flamingo, my anxiety can't take it. I can't worry about what can't control any more. Leaving them to it and going to go and colour in in my den, other flying flamingos welcome

Fully agree!! Cast my vote. Why the hell am I still being queried on if I knew what I was voting for? Fingers in ears.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Please keep posting. I wish to see how ordinary folk truly feel today.

I meant Fab people are politically very ordinary. They are not out to grab for themselves like the elites etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please keep posting. I wish to see how ordinary folk truly feel today.

I meant Fab people are politically very ordinary. They are not out to grab for themselves like the elites etc."

What makes you say people on this site are politically ordinary?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Please keep posting. I wish to see how ordinary folk truly feel today.

I meant Fab people are politically very ordinary. They are not out to grab for themselves like the elites etc.

What makes you say people on this site are politically ordinary? "

I meant and Please do excuse the pun but they are not ‘climbing a greasy pole.’

They are hardworking people not elitist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No deal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Actually removed by poster at 11/09/19 01:22:32]"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU."

Yes, actually. I wanted to be given the opportunity to vote to leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU."

There you are, hope you're well. Was looking for your thread...

In answer to your question, yeah. Saw it as a necessary evil and an alternative to the dollar and the yuan running the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU."

A lot of people voted to punish Cameron for austerity and a lot voted because of immigration etc.

But point of this thread is how people feel today? Meaning have we changed our minds in significant ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU.

A lot of people voted to punish Cameron for austerity and a lot voted because of immigration etc.

But point of this thread is how people feel today? Meaning have we changed our minds in significant ways. "

I feel the same today as I did in 2016. I don't want to leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU.

There you are, hope you're well. Was looking for your thread...

In answer to your question, yeah. Saw it as a necessary evil and an alternative to the dollar and the yuan running the world. "

Hey, Grey Cat, happy Wednesday.

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By *hunderstruckMan
over a year ago

Northampton

I voted to leave

There was a WTO deal in place it s not perfect but it was there until you set deals up with other countries .

I’d still vote leave and no deal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU.

There you are, hope you're well. Was looking for your thread...

In answer to your question, yeah. Saw it as a necessary evil and an alternative to the dollar and the yuan running the world.

Hey, Grey Cat, happy Wednesday."

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Cancel. Costly mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted to leave

There was a WTO deal in place it s not perfect but it was there until you set deals up with other countries .

I’d still vote leave and no deal

Don't the WTO encourage agreements and arbitrate disputes rather than draw them up?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU."

Yes

. For the potential of a large group of countries to have power to work against pollution, global heating and other major issues, where size does matter. As well as for living, travelling and employment benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU.

Yes

Alright, alright, but other than the living, travelling, employment benefits and the ability to tackle global issues....

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"I voted to leave

There was a WTO deal in place it s not perfect but it was there until you set deals up with other countries .

I’d still vote leave and no deal

Not perfect? It's nowhere near acceptable to any 1st world country to trade at WTO rates.

And why trade at them rates, so you can feel like you can control your border? You could control your border anyway, the UK could get rid of any EU law they didn't like and could even leave the european court of human rights if they wanted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cancel

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

you could have three of those options in one go potentially.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back in 2015 were you thinking, I really fucking care about Britain being in the EU.

Yes

Alright, alright, but other than the living, travelling, employment benefits and the ability to tackle global issues.... "

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By *ieandteaseMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire

"Please keep posting. I wish to see how ordinary folk truly feel today.

Are you really Boris and using this post to find out what the uk really wants??"

He might not be but he works for them somewhere. Civil service, pollster, journalist, Mr or their lackey. Nobody ordinary would want to conduct a poll on a sex site.

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By *olly OhWoman
over a year ago

Aberystwyth

Cancel the whole fucking disaster Tory dead empire vanity project.

Or 2nd ref with honest media

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley

"2nd referendum where everyone knows exactly what they’re voting for

Definitely need absolute clarity on what’s on offer.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Couldn’t give a ff

What ever people want our elected representatives won’t accept...

They didn’t in the original vote

What makes anyone think what we think counts anyway now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo it doesn't and will never affect me so don't care. But I am sure the UK government will do what's best for you all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cancel it. It should never have happened in the first place. Cameron only offered one to keep the euro sceptics happy within his own party.

You'll never get a straight answer from politicians on either side of the debate as they're politicians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no deal we're british but on the map As European save the membership fee tighten the borders rule brittania brittania rules the waves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't vote at the time as I didn't have sufficient reliable information to make an informed decision and still don't.

What I will say is we have voted to leave and while the referendum is technically only advisory it would be unwise to ignore it.

We need to be prepared to leave without a deal as the threat of leaving with no deal is the only negotiating tool at our disposal. The EU have as much to lose from a no deal as us. All while they think we won't leave without a deal they can stand their ground on the key issues. If we can convince them we can and will leave with no deal on October 31st, they will want to negotiate terms.

Now we have voted to leave, even if it was the wrong decision, we should leave with or without a deal and get the economy out of this limbo state.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

Ultimately I hope we stay in, but for the sake of "democracy" there should be a second referendum. I dont get these remainers that want to honour an advisory referendum. May shouldn't have triggered article 50 without a plan, but we shouldn't of had the referendum in that format in the first place. I blame Cameron for bring such a spineless cunt.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"I didn't vote at the time as I didn't have sufficient reliable information to make an informed decision and still don't.

What I will say is we have voted to leave and while the referendum is technically only advisory it would be unwise to ignore it.

Now we have voted to leave, even if it was the wrong decision, we should leave with or without a deal and get the economy out of this limbo state."

Bravo!!!

Well said, I totally agree with everything you said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No deal then for me to be emperor i will make us powerful again

And re negotiate doing good deals is what i do

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

I voted remain but respected the decision what other individuals voted for

However, with the farce that has followed, all those that got individuals to vote to leave and then did a runner instead of seeing it through; HoP members only thinking of themselves and not joining together to get a decent deal; now we have prize muppet in charge who will do no better and have us out without a deal.

It is a very sorry time for British politics and the implications of what could be ahead don’t bear thinking about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In reality id not vote i lost respect for all these self serving pricks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plus a new law u only get to be a politician if you except responsibility for fuckups so in the contract if you fuck up a j can punch u 3 times hard

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

We should leave.

The whole thing is a joke. The UK with all the political fallout is a joke.

Instead of multi party bickering and trying to take every opportunity for one man (party) up man ship, they should listen to their constituents and get on with trying to solve the issue than score points.

They are all as bad as each other and it’s extremely dissapointing and embarrassing as to how this Brexit farce has gone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cancel it. It was a bad idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish you lot had left it all alone!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"In reality id not vote i lost respect for all these self serving pricks"

I've lost it since the referendum! At the the end of the day the country voted for a thing not a party & these clowns for three years have fought over it as political parties. Idiots.

I want 2 but if necessary I'd go with 1.

My stand is no matter what they say MP's almost to a man/woman do not want us to leave & neither do the EU so it drags on & on.

The latest block of Boris's General Election which in effect gave us the choice of him/jezzer leave/remain told you all you needed to know.

Party politics is screwed for many many years to come.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

2nd Ref

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for a second referendum, that's a ridiculous suggestion that smacks democracy in the face.

You cannot hold the same referendum over and over again until you get the results you want.

I keep writing to the lottery and asking them to redraw the numbers until mine come up but they refuse, holding a second referendum is no different and what if you don't get the results you want then? A third referendum... fourth referendum?

Remainers, admit you lost and make the best of it.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"Plus a new law u only get to be a politician if you except responsibility for fuckups so in the contract if you fuck up a j can punch u 3 times hard"

I'd say you can only stand as an MP if you've had a proper job for twenty years! No more of this career politician bollox...

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley

Whatever we do as a country we are screwed. The forces of fascism will use whatever the outcome to further their cause.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leave the EU with Deal please OP

The current offer will do very nicely thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plus a new law u only get to be a politician if you except responsibility for fuckups so in the contract if you fuck up a j can punch u 3 times hard

I'd say you can only stand as an MP if you've had a proper job for twenty years! No more of this career politician bollox...

S"
good call

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By *rAngleseyMan
over a year ago

Anglesey

Flying Flamingos all round. Waiting for Brexit is like trying to get a meet on the moon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why can't a flamingo be prime minister..lgbt vote sorted straightaway..

Fishing quotas reinstated..

The futures bright-the futures pink.

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley

"As for a second referendum, that's a ridiculous suggestion that smacks democracy in the face.

You cannot hold the same referendum over and over again until you get the results you want.

Remainers, admit you lost and make the best of it."

As the referendum was run on the premise that a deal with the EU was going to be so easy to get, (most of current cabinet said this) or Norway is out the EU and does fine, the original referendum was based on a lie.

Democracy needs truth to work. Now we know what is actually on the table we can say we want this deal/ no deal or not rather than a vague notion of what we might get.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After all this time and all the crap i couldnt give a flying flamingo

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By *rMrs CumalotCouple
over a year ago

East Mids

Leave- No deal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No deal. As that gives us the balance to force a deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As for a second referendum, that's a ridiculous suggestion that smacks democracy in the face.

You cannot hold the same referendum over and over again until you get the results you want.

Remainers, admit you lost and make the best of it.

Democracy needs truth to work. Now we know what is actually on the table we can say we want this deal/ no deal or not rather than a vague notion of what we might get. "

A deal with the EU is easy to get. It just needs to be signed off by parliament which they refused to do on 3 occasions, demanding the deal be renegotiated. They have taken our one negotiating tool away and demanded the PM renegotiates the deal.

The situation has nothing to do with actually leaving the EU, it all revolves around MPs and PMs trying to outwit each other. My money is on Boris winning this particular battle as he isn't too bothered about the niceties of war as long as he gets his result.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"As for a second referendum, that's a ridiculous suggestion that smacks democracy in the face.

You cannot hold the same referendum over and over again until you get the results you want.

Remainers, admit you lost and make the best of it."

I was and still am a remainer and respect the vote made.

However, even some of those that voted to leave want to change their minds so maybe a second referendum is the right choice

We will never know the outcome though as it won’t happen

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By *ertsguy2000Man
over a year ago

hertford

Leave with the right deal or leave no deal

Right deal would look like hugely less aligned with EU than T May deal

Have you seen the EU plans for greater integration, all with less opinion sought from the public, will become less and less democratic whilst grabbing more and more power from the people, possibly our last chance to leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted remain but respected the decision what other individuals voted for

It is a very sorry time for British politics and the implications of what could be ahead don’t bear thinking about "

This for me really. It stands to have a big impact on me as I work all over Europe. The States too on occasion, but there's certainly not enough work there to provide an income over the year, nowhere near. There's also the strong chance that even if work will still be on the table, mobile phone rates will go through the roof abroad with us being out of the EU and exchange rates ahead are completely unknown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Currently...couldn’t give a flying flamingo !

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

Leave still means leave and now they have scuppered democracy, I believe more now in leaving .. deal or no deal .. leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m afraid I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion. The referendum shouldn’t have happened. Cancel it.

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By *terobs6869Man
over a year ago

Llandudno

with a deal: provided its not awful and is not worse than what we originally had"

And that is the problem. There is no deal that will ever be better than what we have.

The whole thing is a fantasy

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Look around you and see what’s happening to the country and that’s before the uks even left. You think it’s going to get better afterwards I fear the worst and what about the promises of an independent country , a country free of illegal immigrants , after all that was one of the main selling points. One word

BOLLOCKS

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"I’m afraid I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion. The referendum shouldn’t have happened. Cancel it."

Well that statement is quite disrespectful in itself !

We are a democracy, we get to vote and parliament and House of Lords have to get it through.

The “ordinary” people are speaking more sense than those elected to do so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m afraid I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion. The referendum shouldn’t have happened. Cancel it.

Well that statement is quite disrespectful in itself !

We are a democracy, we get to vote and parliament and House of Lords have to get it through.

The “ordinary” people are speaking more sense than those elected to do so "

Well then I’m disrespectful. The op asked for opinions and that’s mine.

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Leave, no deal, as soon as possible.

Then hopefully the whole bloody EU will implode. Nobody other than politicians wants it, and they only because it gives them vast incomes and perks.

I was talking with a group of Germans last Saturday at the VW Busfest at Malvern. They said they don't like the EU any more than we do and would be out like a shot IF someone would ask them. But, because they know that, the politicians won't ask.

Therefore, they're looking to us to lead the way

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"I’m afraid I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion. The referendum shouldn’t have happened. Cancel it.

Well that statement is quite disrespectful in itself !

We are a democracy, we get to vote and parliament and House of Lords have to get it through.

The “ordinary” people are speaking more sense than those elected to do so

Well then I’m disrespectful. The op asked for opinions and that’s mine."

Of course everyone entitled to their opinion. You are one of those ordinary people just like the rest of us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"2nd referendum where everyone knows exactly what they’re voting for

No one ever knows exactly what they are voting for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m afraid I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion. The referendum shouldn’t have happened. Cancel it.

Well that statement is quite disrespectful in itself !

We are a democracy, we get to vote and parliament and House of Lords have to get it through.

The “ordinary” people are speaking more sense than those elected to do so

Well then I’m disrespectful. The op asked for opinions and that’s mine.

Of course everyone entitled to their opinion. You are one of those ordinary people just like the rest of us "

So going back to your previous comment, I must be speaking sense...

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Cancel.

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By *etite HandfulWoman
over a year ago

Chester

Its got to a point we should just leave no deal on world trade tariffs and negotiate afterwards.

All this we cant leave on a no deal is just stupidity on those suggesting it as its like the school system with kids these days. No corporal punishment so the little gits know there is little comeback and do as they like its the same situation with Europe if we have to have a deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2nd Referendum.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

"I voted remain but respected the decision what other individuals voted for

It is a very sorry time for British politics and the implications of what could be ahead don’t bear thinking about

I travelled all over Europe as a kid with my parents prior to the EEC/EU. My dad always said those that are complaining about travel being difficult are usually generations that didn't know what it was like before or from the new "I want it now, spoilt brat" generation.

A few extra bits of paperwork & a few hours of your life in ques. Big deal...Try going to Russia in 1975! But we did it

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say"

People can't even do that in this thread, so how are we going to even get to do the correct/wrong thing in the real world.

In truth it's not that simple but this was supposed to be a poll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I have learned from Brexit, is that our parliament is not working. Our MP's are incompetent, and we are screwed deal or no deal.

How about another referendum that includes the flamingo option.

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley

"No deal. As that gives us the balance to force a deal. "

So you do want a deal? But using the threat of no deal to negotiate? I’m genuinely trying to understand what you are after in this debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont care

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley

with a deal: provided its not awful and is not worse than what we originally had

And that is the problem. There is no deal that will ever be better than what we have.

The whole thing is a fantasy "

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Leave on 31st

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley

"Leave, no deal, as soon as possible.

Then hopefully the whole bloody EU will implode. Nobody other than politicians wants it, and they only because it gives them vast incomes and perks.

Therefore, they're looking to us to lead the way"

The problem is that when we leave it *may* become the catalyst for major reform of the EU, and it could become more democratic and accountable to its citizens.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"I’m afraid I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion. The referendum shouldn’t have happened. Cancel it.

Well that statement is quite disrespectful in itself !

We are a democracy, we get to vote and parliament and House of Lords have to get it through.

The “ordinary” people are speaking more sense than those elected to do so

Well then I’m disrespectful. The op asked for opinions and that’s mine.

Of course everyone entitled to their opinion. You are one of those ordinary people just like the rest of us

So going back to your previous comment, I must be speaking sense... "

Sorry we’ll have to agree to disagree...

You are welcome to put yourself in your category of “I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion” as your choice not to respect your own opinion

Just like I will stick with my opinion that you were disrespectful to “ordinary” people with that statement

We are a democracy and not a dictatorship so the “ordinary” people do have a voice

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

As a remainer, who values democracy, we must leave.... The country has spoken. If we don't listen to the result, why bother voting again? To add more choices, such as 'with or without a deal' , was not on the ballot paper, so why include them now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m afraid I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion. The referendum shouldn’t have happened. Cancel it.

Well that statement is quite disrespectful in itself !

We are a democracy, we get to vote and parliament and House of Lords have to get it through.

The “ordinary” people are speaking more sense than those elected to do so

Well then I’m disrespectful. The op asked for opinions and that’s mine.

Of course everyone entitled to their opinion. You are one of those ordinary people just like the rest of us

So going back to your previous comment, I must be speaking sense...

Sorry we’ll have to agree to disagree...

You are welcome to put yourself in your category of “I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion” as your choice not to respect your own opinion

Just like I will stick with my opinion that you were disrespectful to “ordinary” people with that statement

We are a democracy and not a dictatorship so the “ordinary” people do have a voice "

Yaas and I am ordinary so I will say what I wish...

Do your thing and I’ll do mine... live and let live.

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By *oresexMan
over a year ago

South West coast

"As a remainer, who values democracy, we must leave.... The country has spoken. If we don't listen to the result, why bother voting again? To add more choices, such as 'with or without a deal' , was not on the ballot paper, so why include them now? "

At last someone talking sense, the vote is in, honour it, in my opinion the EU is faltering beginning to fall apart anyway, time to leave deal or no deal, when did we become so weak that we are scared to make it on our own, time to cut the cord and cull the self serving greedy politicians that have specialised in just making themselves richer.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

May's deal or no deal, I'll take my chances with no deal.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is not about to get a good deal, it is about to not to get the worst deal

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"It is not about to get a good deal, it is about to not to get the worst deal

Yes that is right

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The problem is that when we leave it *may* become the catalyst for major reform of the EU, and it could become more democratic and accountable to its citizens. "

If that was the case, don't you think that process might have started when Article 50 went in?

No, I think the opposite will happen.

The UK has been like a brake on the EU for 50 years.

The brake is being removed.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

The problem is that when we leave it *may* become the catalyst for major reform of the EU, and it could become more democratic and accountable to its citizens.

If that was the case, don't you think that process might have started when Article 50 went in?

No, I think the opposite will happen.

The UK has been like a brake on the EU for 50 years.

The brake is being removed.

All hail the United states of Europe. Good luck to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m afraid I don’t respect the ordinary person’s opinion. The referendum shouldn’t have happened. Cancel it."

I agree with half of this. The referendum should never have happened.

However the referendum was a key part of the party manifesto prior to the general election and as such really had to take place. It was a gamble for Cameron that backfired.

However wrong the referendum was, however the government was elected on the strength of it happening and while the referendum is technically only advisory failing to act is anti democratic and unprecedented.

The irony is that the PM is being called anti democratic because he is following up on what he said he would do before being elected as leader, doing what the people voted for and offering a general election if the people don't want him to continue.

Frankly he couldn't be more democratic, it's the elected representatives who don't want to follow the wishes of the electorate that are anti democratic. The PM is doing his utmost to stop the MPs interfering with democracy.

As for a second referendum giving a different result, the evidence that it would give a different outcome is no more realistic than the evidence that it was going to be a landslide result for remain was in the first referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive just solved Brexit.all the remainers move/live in the South ..all the leavers move up 't North.Sorted ..now can we move on..

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Ive just solved Brexit.all the remainers move/live in the South ..all the leavers move up 't North.Sorted ..now can we move on.."
yes pls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is not about to get a good deal, it is about to not to get the worst deal

Yes that is right"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We could declare war on Belgium.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Why do you want war lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted remain but respected the decision what other individuals voted for

It is a very sorry time for British politics and the implications of what could be ahead don’t bear thinking about

A few extra bits of paperwork & a few hours of your life in ques. Big deal...Try going to Russia in 1975! But we did it

Your relating this to 1975 sadly has little relevance now. Other than it taking longer at customs etc as that is a valid point about it having little impact and being the main gripe of those spoilt on convenience a lot of how it was in the "Olden days" for want of a better words is a moot point. In 1975 roaming, call charges from mobiles and broadband connection wasn't even dreamed of, yet us now a hugely fundamental part of society functioning.

Far more people, including myself working abroad than in 1975 is also a fact of life now, the days of having a "job for life in the UK" are far rarer nowadays. It's not just completing a few bits of paperwork that I worry about as in truth this is an inconvenience that I couldn't give much of a "flamingo" about, but about my work actually being available in the first place (as there categorically ISN'T enough in this country for the members of my workforce to do, far from it) having to ditch my career and somehow forge another with longevity for myself approaching my mid-forties with a school age daughter and mortgage payments etc to contually make whilst I do so understandably worries me a little!

I live in Yorkshire, I'm sure in 1975 your Dad would have told me there's a potential job down the pit that would see me right, but in 2019 I fail to share this optimistic notion??

Your seeing things of just the inconvenience of waiting in the odd queue and a bit more paperwork is in my opinion little more than blinkered vision of how it will affect YOU, owing to past experiences.

I have no issue with the voters Pro-Brexit who examined circumstances now and made an informed decision the best that they could with the information available to them that it was beneficial to leave the EU, they saw it as sense and I respect their reached opinion. It's how I considered my Remain vote after all and I respect that others informed will think differently to myself, that's democracy.

What I do think is ridiculous is those voters basing their judgements on a society, working environment and necessity on technology and it's implementation that is 40 to 50 years in the past now and using THAT as a basis to make a decision when the world has vastly moved on in all those regards and the issues that society faced then are now largely completely irrelevant, more when the chances are such voters have very little if any of their working lives left and chances are won't be about in 15 to 20 years to see the fallout and difficulties anyway? It smacks to me as a much more serious example of a pensioner being asked 20 years ago "What is the biggest problem facing UK currency today?" and their replying "The new 5p coin is too small and fiddly."

For the record my own father extensively travelled Europe in the 60s and 70s and managed perfectly well. He didn't work over there for most of the year, but even so he wasn't blind to the fact that leaving would cause major upheaval to a lot of the younger people that are having to rely on working for another 30 to 40 years or more and unlike their 1975 counterparts likely having to work well past 70 or even for life for the possibility a further away or possibly not even there in 30 years state pension while we're at it. He rang me the day after the surprise result of the Brexit vote came in and couldn't stop apologising profusely for how his generation had massively let mine down as he saw it despite voting remain himself, bless him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ive just solved Brexit.all the remainers move/live in the South ..all the leavers move up 't North.Sorted ..now can we move on..yes pls

Should we build the Brexit wall north or south of Birmingham..

My preference is south but I’m a southerner..

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Yer south of Birmingham iv grew fond of the Brumies since peaky blinders lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Voted out before and nothing has changed, would prefer with a deal but leaving is main thing for me, this constant kicking the can is harming my business far more than anything else for sure.

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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

We voted leave

If it was to vote now knowing what a disaster it’s been would vote remain now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo "

With Deal Brexit.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"this constant kicking the can is harming my business far more than anything else for sure."

You think? I take it you think your business in no way relies on exports to or imports from the EU 27. Does the same apply to all your customers? And theirs? Do you think that just maybe your business does not exist in a vacuum and that maybe the forecasts of a brexit driven recession are understated by the ideologues in power. Remember they have a track record of lying to the general public and hiding bad news on the grounds that if we don't know how bad it is or is going to be then it might not happen and they won't get blamed for it!

Just a thought, nothing more.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo

With Deal Brexit.

I voted to remain, but sadly, I fear the best course for the UK to follow at present is to leave. I say this because if the UK was to remain, there would be far too many people who would take the opportunity to sabotage and perhaps even destroy the EU."
if we don’t leave one way or the other this country will be split for decades and may never heal is that really worth it to remain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo

With Deal Brexit.

I voted to remain, but sadly, I fear the best course for the UK to follow at present is to leave. I say this because if the UK was to remain, there would be far too many people who would take the opportunity to sabotage and perhaps even destroy the EU. if we don’t leave one way or the other this country will be split for decades and may never heal is that really worth it to remain "

Country will be split regardless.

May as well not ruin it and remain.

Never going to happen though. We're on a one way trip to the bottom.

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

For me it's all about the money. So it's a no brainer to remain. The tiny 10bn membership fee is dwarfed by the revenues into the exchequer from the bigger economy that comes with being a member.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Would say 3 or even 4.

To those saying they would want to leave, but with a deal, can I ask why no leave without a deal?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo

With Deal Brexit.

I voted to remain, but sadly, I fear the best course for the UK to follow at present is to leave. I say this because if the UK was to remain, there would be far too many people who would take the opportunity to sabotage and perhaps even destroy the EU. if we don’t leave one way or the other this country will be split for decades and may never heal is that really worth it to remain "

If we leave one way or another this country, and a lot of people, will be worse of economically, either directly or indirectly. Is that really worth it to leave?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo

With Deal Brexit.

I voted to remain, but sadly, I fear the best course for the UK to follow at present is to leave. I say this because if the UK was to remain, there would be far too many people who would take the opportunity to sabotage and perhaps even destroy the EU. if we don’t leave one way or the other this country will be split for decades and may never heal is that really worth it to remain "

It’s good to see you acknowledging the damage Brexit has done to our society already.

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley

The problem is that when we leave it *may* become the catalyst for major reform of the EU, and it could become more democratic and accountable to its citizens.

If that was the case, don't you think that process might have started when Article 50 went in?

No, I think the opposite will happen.

The UK has been like a brake on the EU for 50 years.

The brake is being removed.

As so much of the energy and thought processes of the EU has gone into Brexit they haven’t had time to get to the next step which *may* be reform.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted remain and would do so again given the choice.

Europe isn't perfect but it's too big to be outside it. Britain might once have been great but hey, we outlawed piracy, slavery and theft from other countries bringing our greatness to a crashing end.

Europe gives us stability, even if the banks try to wreck it. Like it or not migrant workers add hugely to our economy and we'll be worse off without them.

And then there's Ireland. No one thought that one through and even now none of them have a fucking clue how to deal with the issues that Britain crashing out will lead to.

Finally. I want to retire to some warm European country when I manage to escape the hamster wheel so leaving Europe basically fucks that idea.

We do however live in a democracy so now the cold light of truth is out there instead of all that bullshit we got, from both sides, during the campaign a 2nd referendum seems the best of all shitty options right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted to remain but respect the referendum vote to leave . I would want us to leave with a deal that is as good or even better than the one we currently have and under strict rules that the NHS will receive an extra £350 million a week as promised by the leave campaign .

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo

With Deal Brexit.

I voted to remain, but sadly, I fear the best course for the UK to follow at present is to leave. I say this because if the UK was to remain, there would be far too many people who would take the opportunity to sabotage and perhaps even destroy the EU. if we don’t leave one way or the other this country will be split for decades and may never heal is that really worth it to remain

It’s good to see you acknowledging the damage Brexit has done to our society already.

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it’s damaged the uk alright bob that’s a given but if we don’t leave it will be damaged beyond repair is it worth a massive rise in the far right for example

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo

With Deal Brexit.

I voted to remain, but sadly, I fear the best course for the UK to follow at present is to leave. I say this because if the UK was to remain, there would be far too many people who would take the opportunity to sabotage and perhaps even destroy the EU. if we don’t leave one way or the other this country will be split for decades and may never heal is that really worth it to remain

It’s good to see you acknowledging the damage Brexit has done to our society already.

it’s damaged the uk alright bob that’s a given but if we don’t leave it will be damaged beyond repair is it worth a massive rise in the far right for example "

That sounds like ‘project fear’

. There will be a far higher rise in the far right if we leave than if we don’t

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Guys, regardless how you voted simply say which of these reflects your view TODAY and you can choose multiple if you’re that indifferent about it:

No Deal Brexit

With Deal Brexit

2nd Referendum

Cancel Brexit altogether

Couldn’t give a flying flamingo

With Deal Brexit.

I voted to remain, but sadly, I fear the best course for the UK to follow at present is to leave. I say this because if the UK was to remain, there would be far too many people who would take the opportunity to sabotage and perhaps even destroy the EU. if we don’t leave one way or the other this country will be split for decades and may never heal is that really worth it to remain

It’s good to see you acknowledging the damage Brexit has done to our society already.

it’s damaged the uk alright bob that’s a given but if we don’t leave it will be damaged beyond repair is it worth a massive rise in the far right for example

That sounds like ‘project fear’

. There will be a far higher rise in the far right if we leave than if we don’t

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you think so firstl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I voted to remain but respect the referendum vote to leave . I would want us to leave with a deal that is as good or even better than the one we currently have and under strict rules that the NHS will receive an extra £350 million a week as promised by the leave campaign .

BJ has already admitted he made up the £350 million. Plus the exit price will be higher than several years membership price. There will be less money not more.

Only good thing about leaving is our politicians have been able to hide their incompetence for decades by blaming the EU, now they can't hide it. Problem is we have to live by their rules

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I guess my view would be that the referendum simply doesn’t deserve any respect, because ultimate people didn’t know enough about what they were voting for. The leave side in particular fed people utter bullshit that was totally disingenuous at best, or an outright lie at best.

The leave voters were warned about Project Fear as though it was nonsense, Gove said what he did about people being fed up with the experts, as though listening to made up bullshit was a better option, and whilst not everyone who voted to leave was a xenophobe or racist, it seems likely that if you discounted the vote if those who were, and the votes of those who did it in protest, but never expected that result then the result would have been to remain.

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OUT

NO DEAL

Silly me.I didn't know what I was voting for

Cunts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OUT

NO DEAL

Silly me.I didn't know what I was voting for

Cunts "

Are you a multi millionaire who doesn't want to have to pay your taxes?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect."
see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

BJ has already admitted he made up the £350 million. Plus the exit price will be higher than several years membership price. There will be less money not more.

Only good thing about leaving is our politicians have been able to hide their incompetence for decades by blaming the EU, now they can't hide it. Problem is we have to live by their rules

Oh they'll keep blaming the EU, they'll just be blaming it for punishing us for leaving, rather than dictating rules to us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol "

The leave side moaned for 41 years, there's a good chance I'll be dead before my allocation of moaning runs out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol "

Labelling political dissent as "moaning" is a wet dream for those in power. They can sit back, roll in the cash and laugh at us.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who's to say we might leave Europe and then rejoin 5 to 10 years later

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol "

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect."

Because you think people are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who's to say we might leave Europe and then rejoin 5 to 10 years later"

The EU would give us a shitter deal with no veto if they ever let us rejoin.

We will never have it as good as we did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect.

Because you think people are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for ?"

No one seems to be able to explain what they voted for though.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

The leave side moaned for 41 years, there's a good chance I'll be dead before my allocation of moaning runs out."

This. Absolutely this. It’s what I hate most about the term “remoaner”. Utter hypocrisy given that that side of the debate has spent the last 40 years professionally bloody moaning about the EU!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect.

Because you think people are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for ?

No one seems to be able to explain what they voted for though."

People’s own choice, whatever the reasons.

It’s not a requirement to give reasons or justification for what they vote for .

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect.

Because you think people are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for ?"

People didn’t really know what they were voting for. The bit about being thick are your words, not mine, and a total straw man.

People didn’t know enough about the economic impact. Not because they were thick, but because it’s complicated, and the politicians, at best, didn’t do enough to explain it to people. and at worst, outright lied about it.

Presumably you are not about to argue that everyone knew exactly what they were voting for because they were so smart that they understood the likely economic effects of leaving better than pretty much every independent economic expert?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect.

Because you think people are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for ?

No one seems to be able to explain what they voted for though.

People’s own choice, whatever the reasons.

It’s not a requirement to give reasons or justification for what they vote for .

Very possibly true. Although arguably that in itself is a very good reason not to let an ill informed public decide something this important.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect.

Because you think people are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for ?

No one seems to be able to explain what they voted for though.

People’s own choice, whatever the reasons.

It’s not a requirement to give reasons or justification for what they vote for .

Very possibly true. Although arguably that in itself is a very good reason not to let an ill informed public decide something this important."

Everyone has the right to vote - informed or not informed .

You do include yourself In this great band of ill informed public?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Presumably you are not about to argue that everyone knew exactly what they were voting for because they were so smart that they understood the likely economic effects of leaving better than pretty much every independent economic expert?"

This, exactly. No one knew. Not a single person. Most likely no one will until after we leave and we eventually find out.

In or out everyone is entitled to their choice and we live in a democracy. What we all need to do is respect each other. I hated the idea of a 2nd referendum for so long but as the country is already so badly split I think people deserve a vote now we have more information. If it turns out the majority still want to go then so be it.

All the petty name calling, from both sides, doesn't help anything. Just because our MPs behave like children in parliament doesn't mean it's a sensible way to decide our future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect.

Because you think people are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for ?

No one seems to be able to explain what they voted for though.

People’s own choice, whatever the reasons.

It’s not a requirement to give reasons or justification for what they vote for .

Indeed.

Constantly banging on and on with the line "we knew what we were voting for". Then being asked "what was that then?". And not answering, is an extremely weak argument and implies that if leavers do say what they were voting for, it will be torn to shreds within seconds because it's probably a load of nonsense.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Who's to say we might leave Europe and then rejoin 5 to 10 years later"

I won't see it in my lifetime.

The UK will disintegrate first anyway.

It won't be the UK rejoining because the UK won't exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No Deal Brexit.

Just leave the bloody thing.

It's out of time like Eurovision.

Besides it's just a vehicle for German domination. It's not by chance that Germany controls the eurozone.

See" The Nazi Roots of the Brussels EU."

Freely available online.

Genuine documents from the Nuremberg trials. Read and learn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what would happen with the way it is dragging on ..if another country left the EU before us !

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect.

Because you think people are thick and didn’t know what they were voting for ?

No one seems to be able to explain what they voted for though.

People’s own choice, whatever the reasons.

It’s not a requirement to give reasons or justification for what they vote for .

Indeed.

Constantly asking (demanding?) people justify why they voted the way they did is arrogant to say the least .

It’s not about arguing or not answering, it’s a basic right to vote for what you want - and it’s not for anyone to demand an explanation .

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

i cannot remember the initials WTO ever being mentioned during the referendum, but everyone seems to have become an expert on it since.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

World Trade Organisation. Those are the rules the nations of the world use to trade.

And they work remarkably well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No Deal Brexit.

Just leave the bloody thing.

It's out of time like Eurovision.

Besides it's just a vehicle for German domination. It's not by chance that Germany controls the eurozone.

See" The Nazi Roots of the Brussels EU."

Freely available online.

Genuine documents from the Nuremberg trials. Read and learn."

Written by a pack of charlatans and conspiracy theorist crackpots who claim they can cure cancer and aids with vitamins. Not worth the paper it's printed on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"World Trade Organisation. Those are the rules the nations of the world use to trade.

And they work remarkably well."

Then why does every country spend so much effort trying to make trade deals in order to get off WTO rules?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

So I don’t see how that referendum deserves any respect. see more moaning about the result same shit diffrent day it’s only been 3yrs of it tho lol

More ignoring the point, and going on about moaning instead.

I wasn’t moaning about the result. I was explaining why it was hard to give the referendum any respect."
you were repeating the same noise what other remainers have said for 3yrs no one as said anything diffrent for 3yrs it’s same old same old if it’s not moaning wtf Is it then you can’t heal a wound if you keep making it wider we need to get out get on with life I promise you life won’t stop the earth will keep spinning and pls ffs dint do the same old boreing list what may happen we’ve all seen a million of them on here for 3yrs now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I assume you have evidence for calling them charlatans?

No!?

Didn't think so.

Nuremberg trial documents are not made up.

War is peace

Freedom is slavery

etc.

Big fan are we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I assume you have evidence for calling them charlatans?

No!?

Didn't think so.

Nuremberg trial documents are not made up.

War is peace

Freedom is slavery

etc.

Big fan are we?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"World Trade Organisation. Those are the rules the nations of the world use to trade.

And they work remarkably well."

Yaaaay, new taxes on everything we buy!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"World Trade Organisation. Those are the rules the nations of the world use to trade.

And they work remarkably well."

So well that we will be the first country ever to revert to trading with the world under WTO rules...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once free of the corrupt EU we can remove taxes from goods coming into the UK from outside the EU ( that's over 65% of our imports.)

We will get cheaper goods.

By the by anyone know how many presidents there are in the EU?

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over a year ago

"I assume you have evidence for calling them charlatans?

No!?

Didn't think so.

Nuremberg trial documents are not made up.

War is peace

Freedom is slavery

etc.

Big fan are we?"

Matthias Rath, the lead author of this garbage, ran a "trial" in South Africa in which his "foundation2 bombarded poor black townships with pamphlets claiming that HIV medication is poisonous and that people with HIV/AIDS could be cured by nutritional supplements, such as those sold by his company. His employees bribed clinic staff to obtain names of HIV patients, then used offers of money or food to induce those patients to participate in a "trial" of his AIDs "treatments", while abandoning the anti-retroviral drugs they had been prescribed. People died as a result of this. He's falsely claimed backing from the WHO, UNICEF and Harvard University for his research. He is a fraud on such a scale that if he handed me my own birth certificate I'd question its authenticity.

The other three authors of your pet book are all associates of his, close enough to be named at the top of his website's front page.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

" so well that we will be the first country to revert to trading with the world under WTO rules... "

We already trade with the world under WTO rules

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