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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

anyone else think that the demos in hong kong could and will spark other groups with other gripes to start protesting in china ???

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I think China has been remarkably restrained in its response.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think China has been remarkably restrained in its response.

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yes i agree but thats because its hong kong and the eyes of the world are there to see but in china its self no one really see's so thats why i wonder if the hong kong demo's could damage china image within and that it can be pushed ?? maybe

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

i would imagine that media coverage of Hong Kong in mainland China is very controlled, if it's covered at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is interesting how the total control of media access has had to change with Beijing.

In previous crises the CCTV (state media) has operated a blackout, whereas this time it began like that, but it has evolved into a different tactic.

The protesters have been exaggerated rather than minimised, given the illusion of much greater threat and risk, to manipulate the people of the mainland to support more robust repression and the put-down of the protests.

It's interesting how Xi manages both this and the horrendous human rights abuses going on in the west of China to the Muslim population, yet very little is said of that in the news.

We live in hope that the people of Hong Kong can give inspiration to the people of many other places to overthrow their leaders and repressive states, whether in Beijing, Moscow, London or anywhere else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we should keep our noses well out of their business. End of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we should keep our noses well out of their business. End of"

Well unfortunately, like so many other crises around the world, British imperialism has it's fingerprints all over it already. In many ways this crisis was an inevitable result of the deal made between the British state and China when we finally ceded the territory that we stole from them for a century.

So much as you might like to leave them to it, you have to realise that we bear some responsibility.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I think we should keep our noses well out of their business. End of

Well unfortunately, like so many other crises around the world, British imperialism has it's fingerprints all over it already. In many ways this crisis was an inevitable result of the deal made between the British state and China when we finally ceded the territory that we stole from them for a century.

So much as you might like to leave them to it, you have to realise that we bear some responsibility. "

Until 2047

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I think China has been remarkably restrained in its response.

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By *m389Man
over a year ago

Bromley


"I think we should keep our noses well out of their business. End of"

It's extremely important other countries support Hong Kong. Why?

One. Consider if China rolls in and takes control of HK and the west do nothing. That's saying to the world that an authoritarian regime can waltz into place with no consequence whatsoever. It sets a precedent for other dictatorships to do what they like.

Two. The world needs to stand together to protect freedom and rights, even for people who are at the other side of the globe and feel like they're none of our business. Why? Because if you don't and in the future it's your turn to lose them, there won't be anyone left stand up for you. How can we expect the world to rally together against big issues like climate change if they can't even stand for each other against oppression and violence?

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

i have no doubt if it started happening in mainland china. 1 we wouldnt see or hear anything about it and 2 china wouldnt even let it gain traction they would not deal with it the same way its being dealt with in hong kong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh yeah

And whats the end game, Send the HMS queen elizabeth, a ship with no planes to carry out a humanitarian rescue of 3.5 million people or threaten China with our Trident missiles. What on earth do people think we should do about it except waffle on about bit of paper signed 21 years ago. We had no cards then and we have no cards now. Right now with this Brexit bollocks going on we need to concentrate on sorting out our own democracy let alone sorting out one 10,000 miles away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does the uk say when other countries like their noses into British matters ?

Oh yea BUT OUT!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The chinese just do things differently to us. They have a culture that has strong faith in the party. Why is their regime so wrong. There are plenty on this forum that would love to live under a communist rule like theirs.

I admire them as they seem to be cutting a way through history which largely keeps their Billion or so people relatively content, has elements of liberalisation and capitalism going on slowly but surely. They will never be like us though so why should we get ourselves involved in their internal affairs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will add that I do have a chinese Sister in law and she lived under the times of Mao Tse Tung and his little red book and the regime that exists in China now is a lot more western Friendly than back then so why on earth upset the apple cart.

She is able to travel freely backwards and forwards to China Regularly, they own their own flat when they are there and live happy and contented lives and say how well ordered and generally certain life is in China. Hey it's almost as nice as the UK by the sounds of it. It's like anywhere else in the world if you behave yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we should keep our noses well out of their business. End of

Well unfortunately, like so many other crises around the world, British imperialism has it's fingerprints all over it already. In many ways this crisis was an inevitable result of the deal made between the British state and China when we finally ceded the territory that we stole from them for a century.

So much as you might like to leave them to it, you have to realise that we bear some responsibility. "
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Seems British imperialism wasn't as bad as first thought after experiencing Chinese socialism they want it back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The chinese just do things differently to us. They have a culture that has strong faith in the party. Why is their regime so wrong. There are plenty on this forum that would love to live under a communist rule like theirs.

I admire them as they seem to be cutting a way through history which largely keeps their Billion or so people relatively content, has elements of liberalisation and capitalism going on slowly but surely. They will never be like us though so why should we get ourselves involved in their internal affairs.

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The Chinese play the long game in everything they do.They have a 100 year plan! .We have a glorious 5 year plan under any given government and then the next government rips up the previous governments plan and starts again.We could learn much from the Chinese about long term strategic thinking and planning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will add that I do have a chinese Sister in law and she lived under the times of Mao Tse Tung and his little red book and the regime that exists in China now is a lot more western Friendly than back then so why on earth upset the apple cart.

She is able to travel freely backwards and forwards to China Regularly, they own their own flat when they are there and live happy and contented lives and say how well ordered and generally certain life is in China. Hey it's almost as nice as the UK by the sounds of it. It's like anywhere else in the world if you behave yourself. "

Well I suppose it depends whether you actually want to have a say or any kind of political freedom in your country.

It's not about behaving yourself is it, it's about adhering to the party and the leader. If you question or speak out about Xi you are likely to be arrested, or worse, be disappeared.

In most countries you can voice your concerns, voice your opposition, have religious freedom. Look at the Ulghur Muslims being placed into re-education camps, children taken from their families, thousands upon thousands being rounded up into modern concentration camps.

Try to hold a protest in Beijing and see what they do to you. So it's not about 'behave yourself'. You could have said the same in Europe in the 1930s under fascism. Behave yourself and it's fine.

The Chinese system is no more than rigidally controlled state capitalism, using force and brutality to ensure adherence to the system. We should support the people of Hong Kong, and anybody fighting repressive regimes.

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By *shrop_cpleCouple
over a year ago

Ceredigion


"I think we should keep our noses well out of their business. End of

It's extremely important other countries support Hong Kong. Why?

One. Consider if China rolls in and takes control of HK and the west do nothing. That's saying to the world that an authoritarian regime can waltz into place with no consequence whatsoever. It sets a precedent for other dictatorships to do what they like.

Two. The world needs to stand together to protect freedom and rights, even for people who are at the other side of the globe and feel like they're none of our business. Why? Because if you don't and in the future it's your turn to lose them, there won't be anyone left stand up for you. How can we expect the world to rally together against big issues like climate change if they can't even stand for each other against oppression and violence?"

Interesting documentary screened on Al Jazeera yesterday on China by John Pilger. A good prompt to put our noses into un-revised history books! Opium Wars, U.K and U.s. profiting from same, and yank Nationalist puppets in Taiwan - all food for thought.

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By *ukemonCouple
over a year ago

Hong Kong

china is more freedom than saudi arabia, why you guys dont give a piece of sh!t about KSA... leave china and mind your own business. after all china never drop a bomb to any country that cause a massive of refugee.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

In this country, we allowed the Army to open fire on pro-democracy campaigners.

I don't remember anyone in China batting an eyelid.

No-one batted an eyelid here either, because the media was under the thumb of the state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given the way Britain as a imperial power treated its colonies it has no right to interfere in the internal matters of another country. Britain is not a international policeman despite what certain MPs think

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Given the way Britain as a imperial power treated its colonies it has no right to interfere in the internal matters of another country. Britain is not a international policeman despite what certain MPs think"

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I think we should keep our noses well out of their business. End of

It's extremely important other countries support Hong Kong. Why?

One. Consider if China rolls in and takes control of HK and the west do nothing. That's saying to the world that an authoritarian regime can waltz into place with no consequence whatsoever. It sets a precedent for other dictatorships to do what they like.

Two. The world needs to stand together to protect freedom and rights, even for people who are at the other side of the globe and feel like they're none of our business. Why? Because if you don't and in the future it's your turn to lose them, there won't be anyone left stand up for you. How can we expect the world to rally together against big issues like climate change if they can't even stand for each other against oppression and violence?"
An unstable China is bad for all of us.It is not down to us to interfere in there political systems and culture.I know we find it frushtrating but a good example is the middle east.We have interfered a lot and caused more problems than we solve.By talking and explaining why are way of life is fine but it is not up to us to change it.

No system is perfect and China has evolved in a totally different way,by trade and friendship that will bring about changes without animosity,maybe it will take a hundred years,lets work together

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Given the way Britain as a imperial power treated its colonies it has no right to interfere in the internal matters of another country. Britain is not a international policeman despite what certain MPs think

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

We don’t have a responsibility to ensure the terms of the Sino- British joint declaration are followed - to 2047?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It's part of China.

Always was.

Britain should leave well alone.

An imperial relic.

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