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"Why are remainers shit scared of giving people a vote?." By that logic, why are brexiteers so scared of a 2nd referendum? Here’s Better idea, let’s take away the labels, and be grown up about it. We’ll give you brexit, you give us a deal on brexit. Sounds like a fair compromise, I think. 17 + 16 = 33  | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters." Here's the thing, there will be a GE at a time of the choosing of the opposition parties, not when you or BoJO want one. The use of such inflammatory language makes you look like one of those knuckle dragging halfwits who were trying to counter protest in London yesterday. | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters." actually they are making sure that Johnson obeys the new law before calling an election... isn't that democracy enough for you? | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters." What nonsense claptrap  | |||
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"Why are remainers shit scared of giving people a vote?." Because it's wall-to-wall entertainment watching that fuckwit Johnson stitched up like a kipper, a puppet of Parliament | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters." I love the venom and rage. Just wait until you find out how the entire leave campaign was based on lies. You're going to go bezerk! | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. I love the venom and rage. Just wait until you find out how the entire leave campaign was based on lies. You're going to go bezerk!" I think most leavers know the leave campaign was based on lies but will never publicly admit it  | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters." You don't live in a democracy. FPTP ensures that, more often than not, the majority end up getting a government that they voted against. When there is a GE - at the time of Parliament's choosing - it is highly likely to result in another hung Parliament. So, you'll be no worse off. | |||
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"Why are remainers shit scared of giving people a vote?. Because it's wall-to-wall entertainment watching that fuckwit Johnson stitched up like a kipper, a puppet of Parliament "I know, haven't enjoyed myself so much watch a politician literally crash and burn for ages | |||
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"Why are remainers shit scared of giving people a vote?. Because it's wall-to-wall entertainment watching that fuckwit Johnson stitched up like a kipper, a puppet of Parliament
I know, haven't enjoyed myself so much watch a politician literally crash and burn for ages "The express has a front page today hailing his master plan. What a joke of a Newspaper and PM. | |||
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"The whole thing reminds me of episodes of Blackadder and cries of "I have a cunning plan" - comedy gold " Black adder crossed with Yes Minister crossed with a chimp riding a bicycle around in a circus. | |||
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"The whole thing reminds me of episodes of Blackadder and cries of "I have a cunning plan" - comedy gold Black adder crossed with Yes Minister crossed with a chimp riding a bicycle around in a circus." Thats how UK politics has been for years. The EU usually stepped in with viable plans and ideas for everything. Normally really good plans. The beauty for the UK politicans was, if the plan didnt work it was the EU's fault, not theirs for failing to come up with a viable alternative, and vetoing the EU idea to use their own. You have had nearly a generation of people read every day "This bad idea was the EU's", "This good one was our idea to use". They literally blame the EU for everything. | |||
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"The whole thing reminds me of episodes of Blackadder and cries of "I have a cunning plan" - comedy gold Black adder crossed with Yes Minister crossed with a chimp riding a bicycle around in a circus." Of course the whole debacle would be funny if it wasn't so tragic for the the UK, first a generation of children growing up under the hardship of austerity, seeing their childhoods laid to waste and now a self-inflicted recession on the horizon - the Tories have a lot to answer for | |||
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"The whole thing reminds me of episodes of Blackadder and cries of "I have a cunning plan" - comedy gold Black adder crossed with Yes Minister crossed with a chimp riding a bicycle around in a circus. Of course the whole debacle would be funny if it wasn't so tragic for the the UK, first a generation of children growing up under the hardship of austerity, seeing their childhoods laid to waste and now a self-inflicted recession on the horizon - the Tories have a lot to answer for" You're right. Other countries are laughing at us too. Especially because of the self inflicted nature. | |||
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"Why are remainers shit scared of giving people a vote?. Because it's wall-to-wall entertainment watching that fuckwit Johnson stitched up like a kipper, a puppet of Parliament
I know, haven't enjoyed myself so much watch a politician literally crash and burn for ages "It is not a laughing matter | |||
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"We should have a referendum that parliament must exept no matter what there views are then three months later a general election on the real issues that need to be addressed,you cannot have a general election on Brexit alone that would do stupid and short sited" A binding referendum would be good. Then the leave side would either have to tell the truth or risk invalidating the result. If the last one had been binding instead of advisory, the result would have been thrown out and we wouldn't be in this mess. | |||
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" It is not a laughing matter" That's cos you didn't listen when everyone was telling you Johnson was a walking clusterf*ck.
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"Why are remainers shit scared of giving people a vote?. Because it's wall-to-wall entertainment watching that fuckwit Johnson stitched up like a kipper, a puppet of Parliament
I know, haven't enjoyed myself so much watch a politician literally crash and burn for ages It is not a laughing matter"Yes it is. You were repeatedly warned this would happen, if you voted leave then you only have yourselves to blame | |||
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"Why are remainers shit scared of giving people a vote?. Because it's wall-to-wall entertainment watching that fuckwit Johnson stitched up like a kipper, a puppet of Parliament
I know, haven't enjoyed myself so much watch a politician literally crash and burn for ages It is not a laughing matter
Yes it is. You were repeatedly warned this would happen, if you voted leave then you only have yourselves to blame " | |||
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"Why are remainers shit scared of giving people a vote?. Because it's wall-to-wall entertainment watching that fuckwit Johnson stitched up like a kipper, a puppet of Parliament
I know, haven't enjoyed myself so much watch a politician literally crash and burn for ages It is not a laughing matter
Yes it is. You were repeatedly warned this would happen, if you voted leave then you only have yourselves to blame
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. I love the venom and rage. Just wait until you find out how the entire leave campaign was based on lies. You're going to go bezerk!" . I was a reluctant remain voter actually  | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters." Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? " . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. " The reason the opposition are holding off is BoJo can't be trusted to not name a date after the 31st October for the GE. | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. The reason the opposition are holding off is BoJo can't be trusted to not name a date after the 31st October for the GE." . Can't they just pass a law forcing him to? | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. " The only thing that is trying to be subverted is leaving the EU without a deal, because it would be economically disastrous for the U.K. You have to ask yourself: given the above, why on Earth would a government be so reckless as to doggedly pursue such a course? | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. The only thing that is trying to be subverted is leaving the EU without a deal, because it would be economically disastrous for the U.K. You have to ask yourself: given the above, why on Earth would a government be so reckless as to doggedly pursue such a course? " . Then put it to the people, what's the problem?. | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. The only thing that is trying to be subverted is leaving the EU without a deal, because it would be economically disastrous for the U.K. You have to ask yourself: given the above, why on Earth would a government be so reckless as to doggedly pursue such a course? . Then put it to the people, what's the problem?." The problem, rather obviously, is that leaving the EU without a deal would be so disastrous for the economy that, as the original referendum showed, it’s actually pretty irresponsible having a vote on something that serious when the people voting don’t seem to quite appreciate how bad it will be. It’s also the case that in a GE people shouldn’t really be voting on a single issue anyway. | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. The only thing that is trying to be subverted is leaving the EU without a deal, because it would be economically disastrous for the U.K. You have to ask yourself: given the above, why on Earth would a government be so reckless as to doggedly pursue such a course? . Then put it to the people, what's the problem?. The problem, rather obviously, is that leaving the EU without a deal would be so disastrous for the economy that, as the original referendum showed, it’s actually pretty irresponsible having a vote on something that serious when the people voting don’t seem to quite appreciate how bad it will be. It’s also the case that in a GE people shouldn’t really be voting on a single issue anyway." . But is was those unknowing halfwits that put us in by referendum!. Maybe we should cancel the original decision hey  | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to? "nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt.... | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. The only thing that is trying to be subverted is leaving the EU without a deal, because it would be economically disastrous for the U.K. You have to ask yourself: given the above, why on Earth would a government be so reckless as to doggedly pursue such a course? . Then put it to the people, what's the problem?. The problem, rather obviously, is that leaving the EU without a deal would be so disastrous for the economy that, as the original referendum showed, it’s actually pretty irresponsible having a vote on something that serious when the people voting don’t seem to quite appreciate how bad it will be. It’s also the case that in a GE people shouldn’t really be voting on a single issue anyway.. But is was those unknowing halfwits that put us in by referendum!. Maybe we should cancel the original decision hey "There’s probably a very compelling case for doing that, or having a further referendum. | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
"The prorogue stunt had the untended consequence of the no deal option being taken away from the PM . Boris got played. | |||
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"And give the people a democratic general election. Those that don't wish this are saboteurs and collaboraters. Oh shish be quiet. You know why they don’t want a GE? It’s because they don’t want one until a no deal Brexit is taken off the table. And you know why they want that? Because it will be a disaster economically for the country, and make you, me and virtually everyone worse off. But humour us... what exactly are they sabotaging, who exactly are they collaborating with, and to what end? . What difference does having a law in place that can be repealed by an incoming democratically elected party?. If we vote in the liberals brexit is cancelled if we vote in the brexit party it's full steam ahead. Either way democracy has been upheld and we can move on. What your actually attempting is to subvert democracy (sabotage a vote) without the risk of losing. The only thing that is trying to be subverted is leaving the EU without a deal, because it would be economically disastrous for the U.K. You have to ask yourself: given the above, why on Earth would a government be so reckless as to doggedly pursue such a course? . Then put it to the people, what's the problem?. The problem, rather obviously, is that leaving the EU without a deal would be so disastrous for the economy that, as the original referendum showed, it’s actually pretty irresponsible having a vote on something that serious when the people voting don’t seem to quite appreciate how bad it will be. It’s also the case that in a GE people shouldn’t really be voting on a single issue anyway.. But is was those unknowing halfwits that put us in by referendum!. Maybe we should cancel the original decision hey
There’s probably a very compelling case for doing that, or having a further referendum. ". You do realise I'm talking about the original referendum that put us in the EU in the first place | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
". So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place?  .
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"So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought "I thought you were all in favour of Parliament taking back control... Has it registered with you that we are still in the EU, therefore Parliament must have always had this control, just failed to use it. Have you started to wonder how much stuff our politicians actually wanted just did not want to be held to account for? So had the policies implemented at an EU level so they could claim it was not their fault? | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
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So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought "you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes... see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it... The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed...... but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........ and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage..... so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
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So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... ". No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%. Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option. | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
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So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... .
No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%.
Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option.
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
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So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... .
No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%.
Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option.
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"It's funny how sovereignty of parliament gets mentioned so little by Brexit extremists these days . There's a lot of selective obsession amongst them". Nah we've just come to some long lost reality check that politicians of all flavours everywhere (including the EU) are self obsessed, bent, fiddling corporate sell out lackeys in it for themselves, were children who are there to be talked down to because were uneducated fascists who don't know what we want, spoonfed narratives of how beholden we are to the politicians who sell us out while they paedophilicaly feed on our children and send the others off on foreign jaunts to kill the bad man all while acquiring hundreds of millions on books and after dinner speeches to bankers they bailed out with our not even born offsprings future tax revenue and lecturing us on morality!!. Yeah I just can't put my finger on why we don't trust politicians anymore. Still, least it all worked out in the end hey | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
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So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... .
No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%.
Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option.
What is a “remoaner”?
It’s someone with a different opinion.". We had opinions from both sides, it was on the telly and everything (maybe you were on holiday?), anyhow we listened they talked we voted, one opinion lost but hasn't stopped moaning about it for like 3 years and these remoaners who are actually in parliament have now basically done a coup , overthrown the democratically elected government chosen by the people to see through this democratically voted for shit show because well boohoo everything, just everything in the whole country will set on fire come November 1st and we'll all turn into nazi zombies. Either that or there the kids at the party who burst into tears because they didn't win. | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
.
So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... .
No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%.
Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option.
What is a “remoaner”?
It’s someone with a different opinion..
We had opinions from both sides, it was on the telly and everything (maybe you were on holiday?), anyhow we listened they talked we voted, one opinion lost but hasn't stopped moaning about it for like 3 years and these remoaners who are actually in parliament have now basically done a coup , overthrown the democratically elected government chosen by the people to see through this democratically voted for shit show because well boohoo everything, just everything in the whole country will set on fire come November 1st and we'll all turn into nazi zombies.
Either that or there the kids at the party who burst into tears because they didn't win."By parliament do you mean those who were democratically elected to represent their constituents best interests. Maybe you should have understood parliamentary sovereignty before you voted for it? Maybe you should have understood some other stuff too? | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
.
So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... .
No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%.
Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option.
What is a “remoaner”?
It’s someone with a different opinion..
We had opinions from both sides, it was on the telly and everything (maybe you were on holiday?), anyhow we listened they talked we voted, one opinion lost but hasn't stopped moaning about it for like 3 years and these remoaners who are actually in parliament have now basically done a coup , overthrown the democratically elected government chosen by the people to see through this democratically voted for shit show because well boohoo everything, just everything in the whole country will set on fire come November 1st and we'll all turn into nazi zombies.
Either that or there the kids at the party who burst into tears because they didn't win.
By parliament do you mean those who were democratically elected to represent their constituents best interests. Maybe you should have understood parliamentary sovereignty before you voted for it? Maybe you should have understood some other stuff too?". Yeah well give us a vote, let's see who's left standing and move on from there with parliamentarians delivering what we voted for. My guess is you'll lose again, they'll be out of a job so your not keen. I don't think it will stop them remoaning but that's life I don't think anything will stop that | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
.
So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... .
No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%.
Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option.
What is a “remoaner”?
It’s someone with a different opinion..
We had opinions from both sides, it was on the telly and everything (maybe you were on holiday?), anyhow we listened they talked we voted, one opinion lost but hasn't stopped moaning about it for like 3 years and these remoaners who are actually in parliament have now basically done a coup , overthrown the democratically elected government chosen by the people to see through this democratically voted for shit show because well boohoo everything, just everything in the whole country will set on fire come November 1st and we'll all turn into nazi zombies.
Either that or there the kids at the party who burst into tears because they didn't win.
By parliament do you mean those who were democratically elected to represent their constituents best interests. Maybe you should have understood parliamentary sovereignty before you voted for it? Maybe you should have understood some other stuff too?.
Yeah well give us a vote, let's see who's left standing and move on from there with parliamentarians delivering what we voted for.
My guess is you'll lose again, they'll be out of a job so your not keen.
I don't think it will stop them remoaning but that's life I don't think anything will stop that "I've been waiting for a People's Vote for months. Glad you've come round. | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
.
So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... .
No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%.
Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option.
What is a “remoaner”?
It’s someone with a different opinion..
We had opinions from both sides, it was on the telly and everything (maybe you were on holiday?), anyhow we listened they talked we voted, one opinion lost but hasn't stopped moaning about it for like 3 years and these remoaners who are actually in parliament have now basically done a coup , overthrown the democratically elected government chosen by the people to see through this democratically voted for shit show because well boohoo everything, just everything in the whole country will set on fire come November 1st and we'll all turn into nazi zombies.
Either that or there the kids at the party who burst into tears because they didn't win.
By parliament do you mean those who were democratically elected to represent their constituents best interests. Maybe you should have understood parliamentary sovereignty before you voted for it? Maybe you should have understood some other stuff too?.
Yeah well give us a vote, let's see who's left standing and move on from there with parliamentarians delivering what we voted for.
My guess is you'll lose again, they'll be out of a job so your not keen.
I don't think it will stop them remoaning but that's life I don't think anything will stop that
I've been waiting for a People's Vote for months. Glad you've come round. ". We've had a people's vote already 3 years back. Let's just toss a coin and be done with it. It's cheaper, quicker and gives the same result | |||
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" Can't they just pass a law forcing him to?
nope.... the date of the GE is set at the PM's perogative... and they don't trust him to say he will have an election on october 15th to then "slide" it back to beyond october 31st
now if a the pm were trusted then maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but the "prorouge" stunt left no one to doubt....
.
So let me get this straight, they can pass a law forcing him to deliver a letter that's worded by them and force him to personally ask for an extension but... They can't pass a law dictating when a GE takes place? .
My god, were more fucked than I originally thought
you are not going to like the answer i am going to give but here it goes...
see the tool the government are trying to use at the moment is the "Fixed term Parliament Act" (FTPA).... where they could set the date but then move it...
The government "Could" write a bill saying "the General election will be on X".... which would be an up/down vote with a simple majority needed......
but that would come at a price! that sort of bill would be an amendable motion, so all the opposition could act all sorts of "goodies" to the bill..... lets say setting a "you cannot leave the eu without a deal", or a "you must have a 2nd vote to the public on the deal where it is your deal vs remain"........
and once one part of the bill is progressed you then couldn't go in and take out the amendments if passed at a later stage.....
so why do you think if the government wanted an election that bad why they are not going thru that route... .
No I simply looked at the polling data that shows Mays deal and delaying are the lowest two options at around 5% where as leaving with no deal was 22%.
Then I looked at the polling data that suggests all the remoaners like soubry and Jess Philips and the 21 rebels will all lose their jobs and that parliament will be a brexit party Tory coalition... That's why I think we're not having an election but the second least favourable kick the can down the road option.
What is a “remoaner”?
It’s someone with a different opinion..
We had opinions from both sides, it was on the telly and everything (maybe you were on holiday?), anyhow we listened they talked we voted, one opinion lost but hasn't stopped moaning about it for like 3 years and these remoaners who are actually in parliament have now basically done a coup , overthrown the democratically elected government chosen by the people to see through this democratically voted for shit show because well boohoo everything, just everything in the whole country will set on fire come November 1st and we'll all turn into nazi zombies.
Either that or there the kids at the party who burst into tears because they didn't win.
By parliament do you mean those who were democratically elected to represent their constituents best interests. Maybe you should have understood parliamentary sovereignty before you voted for it? Maybe you should have understood some other stuff too?.
Yeah well give us a vote, let's see who's left standing and move on from there with parliamentarians delivering what we voted for.
My guess is you'll lose again, they'll be out of a job so your not keen.
I don't think it will stop them remoaning but that's life I don't think anything will stop that
I've been waiting for a People's Vote for months. Glad you've come round. .
We've had a people's vote already 3 years back.
Let's just toss a coin and be done with it.
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