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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x"

Brexit was the death of "national interest".

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x

Brexit was the death of "national interest"."
don't talk rubbish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x

Brexit was the death of "national interest".don't talk rubbish "

Why is that rubbish. Since brexit. "National interest" means, "my agenda".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x"

National Interest, its about what is in best interests of the people they represent.

Sometimes we citizens cannot see every angle of a problem, MP’s provide the in depth checks about issues which we only see the surface, we maybe quite informed and can communicate our concerns, but our lives focus on our daily lives.

If a particular course of action will cause difficulty then its the job of MP’s to provide arguments for and against it. Then choose the best course of action for their constituents.

So the national interest is more about the MP’s constituents groups with other mp’s constituents interests also.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Does anybody really fully understand what is going on in Parliament, or are we simply viewers soaking up the events as they are being presented by the different media outlets.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x"

The United Kingdom is the state.

The nation is something very different, depending on which part of the state you live in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x"

What's in the National interest doesn't mean what the people want.

If given a referendum on should we abolish all forms of taxation then you'd probably get a landslide YES vote returned but it was be massively against the national interest in doing so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anybody really fully understand what is going on in Parliament, or are we simply viewers soaking up the events as they are being presented by the different media outlets.

I understand what is going on but I also fully understand there are a lot of known unknowns that can surface along the way.

Just like Brexit, there was / is a mountain of known unknowns with leaving the EU and for many many people there's also a hell of a lot of unknown unknowns that can materialise along the way.

That's why I wonder at people saying they knew exactly what they were voting for when voting leave.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x

The United Kingdom is the state.

The nation is something very different, depending on which part of the state you live in.

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We are one nation we are one state

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x

The United Kingdom is the state.

The nation is something very different, depending on which part of the state you live in.

I'll tell you what state we're in.

A terrible state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x

The United Kingdom is the state.

The nation is something very different, depending on which part of the state you live in.

I'll tell you what state we're in.

A terrible state.

True

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I think Labour is acting in the "national interest" by insisting on an agreement to exit the EU before an election.

If only the Conservative Party had done the same these last three years, we might not be in this mess.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x

The United Kingdom is the state.

The nation is something very different, depending on which part of the state you live in.

We are one nation we are one state"

You illustrate my point very well.

Different people define their nation differently depending on what part of the state they live in.

You see it as one and the same thing, whereas someone like Johnson or May will talk about a "family of nations" (note the use of the plural).

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Does anybody really fully understand what is going on in Parliament, or are we simply viewers soaking up the events as they are being presented by the different media outlets.

I understand what is going on but I also fully understand there are a lot of known unknowns that can surface along the way.

Just like Brexit, there was / is a mountain of known unknowns with leaving the EU and for many many people there's also a hell of a lot of unknown unknowns that can materialise along the way.

That's why I wonder at people saying they knew exactly what they were voting for when voting leave. "

Or indeed, exactly what they were voting for when voting remain....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anybody really fully understand what is going on in Parliament, or are we simply viewers soaking up the events as they are being presented by the different media outlets.

I understand what is going on but I also fully understand there are a lot of known unknowns that can surface along the way.

Just like Brexit, there was / is a mountain of known unknowns with leaving the EU and for many many people there's also a hell of a lot of unknown unknowns that can materialise along the way.

That's why I wonder at people saying they knew exactly what they were voting for when voting leave.

Or indeed, exactly what they were voting for when voting remain...."

Not really because any major changes of the European Union requires consensus from every single member state so any changes going forward would have to get the UK's agreement, just as it is now and always has been.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

If the UK was an organisation, that organisation would have immediate, 5 and 10 maybe 20 year plan if it intends to stay relevant and in business. Taking on risks, trends, competition, where it intends to be and so on.

To me quotes like national interest is that planning - the outlook for the future of the nation.

That is not to say plans cannot change or adapt to changing environments.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I think Labour is acting in the "national interest" by insisting on an agreement to exit the EU before an election.

If only the Conservative Party had done the same these last three years, we might not be in this mess.

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Labour never act in the national interest,dogma before allways comes first and trying to get into power.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Jo Johnson resigns as an MP sighting irreconcilable differences between family interests and the national interest. Now that has to be a smarting blow for de Pfeffel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boris is doing very well, he's breaking all kind of records I'm sure

GO BORIS!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Jo Johnson resigns as an MP sighting irreconcilable differences between family interests and the national interest. Now that has to be a smarting blow for de Pfeffel. "

Even his own brother doesn’t agree with him. Boris has done some stupid things since becoming PM but firing the rebel’s who voted against him will prove to be his worst .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We hear this all the time and I think the politicians have forgotten what it means along with democracy. What does it mean to you x

The United Kingdom is the state.

The nation is something very different, depending on which part of the state you live in.

We are one nation we are one state"

Not for much longer.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

National interest includes those softer elements of wellbeing as well as survival, as a minimum- obviously there should be a health level that's above the bare minimum of mere existence. It's about the peoples, the states physical aspects and includes the economy. The nation exists in a global context, so it needs a positive status within the world. The nation absolutely includes the physical properties, additionally to its citizens and economy, which also sustains the national interests within the wider world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anybody really fully understand what is going on in Parliament, or are we simply viewers soaking up the events as they are being presented by the different media outlets.

I understand what is going on but I also fully understand there are a lot of known unknowns that can surface along the way.

Just like Brexit, there was / is a mountain of known unknowns with leaving the EU and for many many people there's also a hell of a lot of unknown unknowns that can materialise along the way.

That's why I wonder at people saying they knew exactly what they were voting for when voting leave.

Or indeed, exactly what they were voting for when voting remain....

I think we have all seen for the last three years, parliamentarians do what they want not what the people want so that logic is ever so slightly flawed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anybody really fully understand what is going on in Parliament, or are we simply viewers soaking up the events as they are being presented by the different media outlets.

I understand what is going on but I also fully understand there are a lot of known unknowns that can surface along the way.

Just like Brexit, there was / is a mountain of known unknowns with leaving the EU and for many many people there's also a hell of a lot of unknown unknowns that can materialise along the way.

That's why I wonder at people saying they knew exactly what they were voting for when voting leave.

Or indeed, exactly what they were voting for when voting remain....

I think we have all seen for the last three years, parliamentarians do what they want not what the people want so that logic is ever so slightly flawed.

What logic, your post has no bearing on my response

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Does anybody really fully understand what is going on in Parliament, or are we simply viewers soaking up the events as they are being presented by the different media outlets.

I understand what is going on but I also fully understand there are a lot of known unknowns that can surface along the way.

Just like Brexit, there was / is a mountain of known unknowns with leaving the EU and for many many people there's also a hell of a lot of unknown unknowns that can materialise along the way.

That's why I wonder at people saying they knew exactly what they were voting for when voting leave.

Or indeed, exactly what they were voting for when voting remain....

Which, tbh, proves the point.... People voted remain, knowing that it would not be like it is now in years to come, but without a clue as to what would change or how it would change. Therefore, people did not know exactly what they were voting for when they voted remain.

And btw, more and more is now decided on QMV rather than a requirement for unanimous approval.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

What does it mean to me? Independence for Scotland, eventually. It's my nation and its long term interests will not be served by it remaining part of the UK.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

And btw, more and more is now decided on QMV rather than a requirement for unanimous approval."

Treaty change requires unanimous agreement.

And didn't Cameron pass some law that would require any treaty change to be subject to a referendum in the UK?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

And btw, more and more is now decided on QMV rather than a requirement for unanimous approval.

Treaty change requires unanimous agreement.

And didn't Cameron pass some law that would require any treaty change to be subject to a referendum in the UK?

Good grief... More referendums!

Weren't we told that we have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty... But never did?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And btw, more and more is now decided on QMV rather than a requirement for unanimous approval.

Treaty change requires unanimous agreement.

And didn't Cameron pass some law that would require any treaty change to be subject to a referendum in the UK?

Good grief... More referendums!

Weren't we told that we have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty... But never did?"

That's a UK Government issue and not an EU one.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Good grief... More referendums!

Weren't we told that we have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty... But never did?"

I think it is the Lisbon Treaty that contains Article 50.

And Article 218, which will apply to UK once it has left.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

High court London rejects that PM is illegal in proroguing parliament.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bet he wishes now he hadn’t gone rogue and prorogued..

Who’s running the clock down now.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, the Benn Bill gets signed, parliament is prorogued next week and Johnson has to troop off to the Conservative Party conference to explain why he is being kept a prisoner of Parliament in Downing Street.

I can't wait.

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