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"Personally I applaud them for having the gumption to stand up to the ridiculous notion of entering into a no deal situation despite his threats to take away the whip. The country is in a bad enough state as it is and no deal, would in my view, and that of the majority that voted against it today, make things worse not better. I'll not get into whether we should/shouldn't leave as frankly that has been debated to death for too long - I just know that leaving without a deal is not an option I would welcome and I applaud those that have stood up against it."  | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. " Yes, that oh-so-reliable and fact-based advisory referendum. | |||
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"I think that what is being missed is that this vote isn't really about 'no deal'. If we take 'no deal' off the table before the EU summit then there is no chance that we can get an acceptable deal. The current actions are essentially in order to remain but are being dressed up as being to avoid a 'no deal'. It is simply a means of sabotaging any potential deal being reached. The question that has to be decided on is whether the referendum result should have priority over parliament ie should 17.4m votes be more important than 326. On a side point it was interesting to see Nicola Sturgeon arguing against Brexit at the same time as calling for a second Scottish Independence referendum. I wonder if she would expect the referendum result to stand should it be in favour of independence given the lack of importance she attributes to the Brexit referendum result. Right, down off my soapbox ready for the slings and arrows!" I respect those who thought hard on why they wanted to leave. That said no-deal would destroy the infrastructure and processes of this country. To those who come out with "if no deal is off the table there's no need for them to give us a good deal" I say, you actually need to read up on the institutions of the EU, it's structure, and the international Laws they and we have to abide. They want to give us a good deal, but as they keep saying, the Irish border has to be solved first. Then, if we are no longer sticking to the referendum promises (Daniel Hanan "nobody is on about leaving the single market") and are withdrawing from the single market, that means we need to arrange what we do if our regulations deviate from their's. There's no mandate for no deal, and the brexit promised by the referendum is impossible unless the whole EU changes for us. In short, you want no deal, do another referendum, until them, accept that it's a no unicorn brexit or no brexit, and let the adults talk. | |||
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"How many extra premature deaths is worth it when we can’t import medicines or radioactive isotopes in our current way? How many people going hungry or even starving is worth it as food rots on lorries unable to get into the UK or goes unpicked in fields as the labourers have left the uk and can’t come back? I hope I am wrong in my pessimism, but I personally don’t want to risk anyone’s life for some ideological fantasies. " And how many planes fell out of the sky due to the millennium bug? The cargo bottleneck is talked about as being on the French side of the Channel and they are reportedly dealing with that. All these goods that are supposedly not going to get through are EU exports, do we believe that the EU is going to allow such a loss of trade? Do we really believe that medication etc (some of the highest value by volume exports) are not going to be prioritised? | |||
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"How many extra premature deaths is worth it when we can’t import medicines or radioactive isotopes in our current way? How many people going hungry or even starving is worth it as food rots on lorries unable to get into the UK or goes unpicked in fields as the labourers have left the uk and can’t come back? I hope I am wrong in my pessimism, but I personally don’t want to risk anyone’s life for some ideological fantasies. " Completely reasonable questions. No deal means we cannot import the cancer treatments we get from the EU (and elsewhere in the world). | |||
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"I think that what is being missed is that this vote isn't really about 'no deal'. If we take 'no deal' off the table before the EU summit then there is no chance that we can get an acceptable deal. The current actions are essentially in order to remain but are being dressed up as being to avoid a 'no deal'. It is simply a means of sabotaging any potential deal being reached. The question that has to be decided on is whether the referendum result should have priority over parliament ie should 17.4m votes be more important than 326. On a side point it was interesting to see Nicola Sturgeon arguing against Brexit at the same time as calling for a second Scottish Independence referendum. I wonder if she would expect the referendum result to stand should it be in favour of independence given the lack of importance she attributes to the Brexit referendum result. Right, down off my soapbox ready for the slings and arrows! I respect those who thought hard on why they wanted to leave. That said no-deal would destroy the infrastructure and processes of this country. To those who come out with "if no deal is off the table there's no need for them to give us a good deal" I say, you actually need to read up on the institutions of the EU, it's structure, and the international Laws they and we have to abide. They want to give us a good deal, but as they keep saying, the Irish border has to be solved first. Then, if we are no longer sticking to the referendum promises (Daniel Hanan "nobody is on about leaving the single market") and are withdrawing from the single market, that means we need to arrange what we do if our regulations deviate from their's. There's no mandate for no deal, and the brexit promised by the referendum is impossible unless the whole EU changes for us. In short, you want no deal, do another referendum, until them, accept that it's a no unicorn brexit or no brexit, and let the adults talk. " And in 5 final words you sum up the 'remainers' arguement. If you don't agree then you don't understand... | |||
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"How many extra premature deaths is worth it when we can’t import medicines or radioactive isotopes in our current way? How many people going hungry or even starving is worth it as food rots on lorries unable to get into the UK or goes unpicked in fields as the labourers have left the uk and can’t come back? I hope I am wrong in my pessimism, but I personally don’t want to risk anyone’s life for some ideological fantasies. And how many planes fell out of the sky due to the millennium bug? The cargo bottleneck is talked about as being on the French side of the Channel and they are reportedly dealing with that. All these goods that are supposedly not going to get through are EU exports, do we believe that the EU is going to allow such a loss of trade? Do we really believe that medication etc (some of the highest value by volume exports) are not going to be prioritised?" The millennium bug was planning for years in advance, it was mitigated, there were plans incase negative consequences arose. Our Civil Service's plans and mitigations were dismissed as false by the very government which commissioned the findings. | |||
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"I think that what is being missed is that this vote isn't really about 'no deal'. If we take 'no deal' off the table before the EU summit then there is no chance that we can get an acceptable deal. The current actions are essentially in order to remain but are being dressed up as being to avoid a 'no deal'. It is simply a means of sabotaging any potential deal being reached. The question that has to be decided on is whether the referendum result should have priority over parliament ie should 17.4m votes be more important than 326. On a side point it was interesting to see Nicola Sturgeon arguing against Brexit at the same time as calling for a second Scottish Independence referendum. I wonder if she would expect the referendum result to stand should it be in favour of independence given the lack of importance she attributes to the Brexit referendum result. Right, down off my soapbox ready for the slings and arrows! I respect those who thought hard on why they wanted to leave. That said no-deal would destroy the infrastructure and processes of this country. To those who come out with "if no deal is off the table there's no need for them to give us a good deal" I say, you actually need to read up on the institutions of the EU, it's structure, and the international Laws they and we have to abide. They want to give us a good deal, but as they keep saying, the Irish border has to be solved first. Then, if we are no longer sticking to the referendum promises (Daniel Hanan "nobody is on about leaving the single market") and are withdrawing from the single market, that means we need to arrange what we do if our regulations deviate from their's. There's no mandate for no deal, and the brexit promised by the referendum is impossible unless the whole EU changes for us. In short, you want no deal, do another referendum, until them, accept that it's a no unicorn brexit or no brexit, and let the adults talk. And in 5 final words you sum up the 'remainers' arguement. If you don't agree then you don't understand... " I see you didn't actually respond to the substance. Instead of appealing to my emotion maybe propose solutions? I'll support a brexit backing party, but only if their plan allows for smooth transitions and planning. | |||
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"How many extra premature deaths is worth it when we can’t import medicines or radioactive isotopes in our current way? How many people going hungry or even starving is worth it as food rots on lorries unable to get into the UK or goes unpicked in fields as the labourers have left the uk and can’t come back? I hope I am wrong in my pessimism, but I personally don’t want to risk anyone’s life for some ideological fantasies. And how many planes fell out of the sky due to the millennium bug? The cargo bottleneck is talked about as being on the French side of the Channel and they are reportedly dealing with that. All these goods that are supposedly not going to get through are EU exports, do we believe that the EU is going to allow such a loss of trade? Do we really believe that medication etc (some of the highest value by volume exports) are not going to be prioritised? The millennium bug was planning for years in advance, it was mitigated, there were plans incase negative consequences arose. Our Civil Service's plans and mitigations were dismissed as false by the very government which commissioned the findings." Even up to the final days of the last millennium there were dire warnings of impending disaster. Are you suggesting that the civil service acts in the interests of the sitting government and then switches its allegiances each time there is a change of government? | |||
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"I think that what is being missed is that this vote isn't really about 'no deal'. If we take 'no deal' off the table before the EU summit then there is no chance that we can get an acceptable deal. The current actions are essentially in order to remain but are being dressed up as being to avoid a 'no deal'. It is simply a means of sabotaging any potential deal being reached. The question that has to be decided on is whether the referendum result should have priority over parliament ie should 17.4m votes be more important than 326. On a side point it was interesting to see Nicola Sturgeon arguing against Brexit at the same time as calling for a second Scottish Independence referendum. I wonder if she would expect the referendum result to stand should it be in favour of independence given the lack of importance she attributes to the Brexit referendum result. Right, down off my soapbox ready for the slings and arrows! I respect those who thought hard on why they wanted to leave. That said no-deal would destroy the infrastructure and processes of this country. To those who come out with "if no deal is off the table there's no need for them to give us a good deal" I say, you actually need to read up on the institutions of the EU, it's structure, and the international Laws they and we have to abide. They want to give us a good deal, but as they keep saying, the Irish border has to be solved first. Then, if we are no longer sticking to the referendum promises (Daniel Hanan "nobody is on about leaving the single market") and are withdrawing from the single market, that means we need to arrange what we do if our regulations deviate from their's. There's no mandate for no deal, and the brexit promised by the referendum is impossible unless the whole EU changes for us. In short, you want no deal, do another referendum, until them, accept that it's a no unicorn brexit or no brexit, and let the adults talk. And in 5 final words you sum up the 'remainers' arguement. If you don't agree then you don't understand... I see you didn't actually respond to the substance. Instead of appealing to my emotion maybe propose solutions? I'll support a brexit backing party, but only if their plan allows for smooth transitions and planning." There is little point in discussing with those who dismiss anyone with views differing from theirs as not being adults... | |||
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"I think that what is being missed is that this vote isn't really about 'no deal'. If we take 'no deal' off the table before the EU summit then there is no chance that we can get an acceptable deal. The current actions are essentially in order to remain but are being dressed up as being to avoid a 'no deal'. It is simply a means of sabotaging any potential deal being reached. The question that has to be decided on is whether the referendum result should have priority over parliament ie should 17.4m votes be more important than 326. On a side point it was interesting to see Nicola Sturgeon arguing against Brexit at the same time as calling for a second Scottish Independence referendum. I wonder if she would expect the referendum result to stand should it be in favour of independence given the lack of importance she attributes to the Brexit referendum result. Right, down off my soapbox ready for the slings and arrows! I respect those who thought hard on why they wanted to leave. That said no-deal would destroy the infrastructure and processes of this country. To those who come out with "if no deal is off the table there's no need for them to give us a good deal" I say, you actually need to read up on the institutions of the EU, it's structure, and the international Laws they and we have to abide. They want to give us a good deal, but as they keep saying, the Irish border has to be solved first. Then, if we are no longer sticking to the referendum promises (Daniel Hanan "nobody is on about leaving the single market") and are withdrawing from the single market, that means we need to arrange what we do if our regulations deviate from their's. There's no mandate for no deal, and the brexit promised by the referendum is impossible unless the whole EU changes for us. In short, you want no deal, do another referendum, until them, accept that it's a no unicorn brexit or no brexit, and let the adults talk. And in 5 final words you sum up the 'remainers' arguement. If you don't agree then you don't understand... I see you didn't actually respond to the substance. Instead of appealing to my emotion maybe propose solutions? I'll support a brexit backing party, but only if their plan allows for smooth transitions and planning. There is little point in discussing with those who dismiss anyone with views differing from theirs as not being adults..." I'll be blunt, I got tired of humouring people who came out with unsubstantiated claims which they just parrot from a person they like, a few months ago. I've always tried to accommodate their thoughts of hard brexiteers, but when you start ignoring doctors, experts who are just trying to do their best, deliberately and start advocating for something which after 3 months will make anyone who lives with medical conditions life harder, that is where I draw the line. That's where I ask if someone has gone past the ideologically driven part of their youth. | |||
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"How many extra premature deaths is worth it when we can’t import medicines or radioactive isotopes in our current way? How many people going hungry or even starving is worth it as food rots on lorries unable to get into the UK or goes unpicked in fields as the labourers have left the uk and can’t come back? I hope I am wrong in my pessimism, but I personally don’t want to risk anyone’s life for some ideological fantasies. And how many planes fell out of the sky due to the millennium bug? The cargo bottleneck is talked about as being on the French side of the Channel and they are reportedly dealing with that. All these goods that are supposedly not going to get through are EU exports, do we believe that the EU is going to allow such a loss of trade? Do we really believe that medication etc (some of the highest value by volume exports) are not going to be prioritised? The millennium bug was planning for years in advance, it was mitigated, there were plans incase negative consequences arose. Our Civil Service's plans and mitigations were dismissed as false by the very government which commissioned the findings. Even up to the final days of the last millennium there were dire warnings of impending disaster. Are you suggesting that the civil service acts in the interests of the sitting government and then switches its allegiances each time there is a change of government? " By whom, experts, the civil service, private sector, or the Press? No, if you read what I put you'll understand that the Civil Service is there to use objective based methodologies to construct and implement government policy. Johnson's government commissioned a report into the impact of brexit, it was bad, they tried to suppress it, someone leaked it, then they tried to say it was from May's time in office. Even though it has the published date and commission date on it. | |||
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"I think that what is being missed is that this vote isn't really about 'no deal'. If we take 'no deal' off the table before the EU summit then there is no chance that we can get an acceptable deal. The current actions are essentially in order to remain but are being dressed up as being to avoid a 'no deal'. It is simply a means of sabotaging any potential deal being reached. The question that has to be decided on is whether the referendum result should have priority over parliament ie should 17.4m votes be more important than 326. On a side point it was interesting to see Nicola Sturgeon arguing against Brexit at the same time as calling for a second Scottish Independence referendum. I wonder if she would expect the referendum result to stand should it be in favour of independence given the lack of importance she attributes to the Brexit referendum result. Right, down off my soapbox ready for the slings and arrows! I respect those who thought hard on why they wanted to leave. That said no-deal would destroy the infrastructure and processes of this country. To those who come out with "if no deal is off the table there's no need for them to give us a good deal" I say, you actually need to read up on the institutions of the EU, it's structure, and the international Laws they and we have to abide. They want to give us a good deal, but as they keep saying, the Irish border has to be solved first. Then, if we are no longer sticking to the referendum promises (Daniel Hanan "nobody is on about leaving the single market") and are withdrawing from the single market, that means we need to arrange what we do if our regulations deviate from their's. There's no mandate for no deal, and the brexit promised by the referendum is impossible unless the whole EU changes for us. In short, you want no deal, do another referendum, until them, accept that it's a no unicorn brexit or no brexit, and let the adults talk. And in 5 final words you sum up the 'remainers' arguement. If you don't agree then you don't understand... I see you didn't actually respond to the substance. Instead of appealing to my emotion maybe propose solutions? I'll support a brexit backing party, but only if their plan allows for smooth transitions and planning. There is little point in discussing with those who dismiss anyone with views differing from theirs as not being adults... I'll be blunt, I got tired of humouring people who came out with unsubstantiated claims which they just parrot from a person they like, a few months ago. I've always tried to accommodate their thoughts of hard brexiteers, but when you start ignoring doctors, experts who are just trying to do their best, deliberately and start advocating for something which after 3 months will make anyone who lives with medical conditions life harder, that is where I draw the line. That's where I ask if someone has gone past the ideologically driven part of their youth." I'm not sure I'd ask a politician or a freight transport expert to treat a medical condition and, equally, I'm not sure I'd ask a doctor for advice on transporting goods... | |||
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"Ignoring 17.4 million people, appalling!" The problem is that the majority of MPs are trying very hard to make sure that the 48.64 million who didn't, or were unable to, vote don't have to suffer too severely for the actions of the 17.4 million. It would be profoundly undemocratic not to carry Brexit out. That said, the harm it will do can be limited; which is why Boris and his ilk need to be reigned in, for some common sense to prevail. If you're going to shoot yourself in the foot, there's no need to empty a full clip. | |||
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"Ignoring 17.4 million people, appalling! The problem is that the majority of MPs are trying very hard to make sure that the 48.64 million who didn't, or were unable to, vote don't have to suffer too severely for the actions of the 17.4 million. It would be profoundly undemocratic not to carry Brexit out. That said, the harm it will do can be limited; which is why Boris and his ilk need to be reigned in, for some common sense to prevail. If you're going to shoot yourself in the foot, there's no need to empty a full clip." I completely agree that a sensible deal is preferable to no deal. However I also believe that we have been unable to reach an acceptable deal due to the UK Parliament weakening our negotiating position. There is almost a fortnight after the EU summit to take no deal off the table so why is it so important to do so before the summit if it is for any reason other than to ensure that we can't achieve an acceptable deal? | |||
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"Utter, utter bastards! Roll on the GE. " Why? Tell me what a GE will achieve ?? | |||
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"I can see both points of the argument, you can't please everyone, if Parliament won't deliver on a historic vote, and its so harmful to the nation, why did we ever have the referendum? Makes a farce of democracy, if it had gone there way, I bet we would nt be having another vote. And who wants to hear Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell, lecturing us on staying in the EU, after is disastrous unnecessary Iraq war, which he foisted on the nation. He will gain votes for leave. People have short memories,especially me after a night on the vodka ha ha "Brexit is still on though. Just a no deal hard brexit that they're trying to avoid. | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. " It’s not a betrayal, its a process, the reason why parliament is in place, checks and balances. We seem to forget that. We will exit the EU, and it will be done properly. If we have to wait, we wait, the outcome is the same the 17.4 million just have to patient, just like the rest of us. Many have been waiting for the day we leave, so I guess we can wait a little longer. | |||
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"Personally I applaud them for having the gumption to stand up to the ridiculous notion of entering into a no deal situation despite his threats to take away the whip. The country is in a bad enough state as it is and no deal, would in my view, and that of the majority that voted against it today, make things worse not better. I'll not get into whether we should/shouldn't leave as frankly that has been debated to death for too long - I just know that leaving without a deal is not an option I would welcome and I applaud those that have stood up against it." We will remember those that have gone back on their word. Unforgiveable | |||
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"I can see both points of the argument, you can't please everyone, if Parliament won't deliver on a historic vote, and its so harmful to the nation, why did we ever have the referendum? Makes a farce of democracy, if it had gone there way, I bet we would nt be having another vote. And who wants to hear Tony Blair, Alistair Campbell, lecturing us on staying in the EU, after is disastrous unnecessary Iraq war, which he foisted on the nation. He will gain votes for leave. People have short memories,especially me after a night on the vodka ha ha "The old guard are not in power, the job of parliament was to provide scrutiny after, we’ll get there together as opposed to indivdually. 17 million and the 16 million together hand in hand. This nations best days are still ahead. | |||
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"Personally I applaud them for having the gumption to stand up to the ridiculous notion of entering into a no deal situation despite his threats to take away the whip. The country is in a bad enough state as it is and no deal, would in my view, and that of the majority that voted against it today, make things worse not better. I'll not get into whether we should/shouldn't leave as frankly that has been debated to death for too long - I just know that leaving without a deal is not an option I would welcome and I applaud those that have stood up against it.We will remember those that have gone back on their word. Unforgiveable " Who has?? | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. " Sorry, which set of treacherous MPs are you referring to? The ERG and DUP who stopped Mrs May from leaving with an agreement? or The Conservative moderates who are stopping Mr Johnson from leaving without an agreement? | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. " | |||
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"I honestly think if there was another referendum then remain would win. I think people are sick of hearing the word Brexit. " Is that a reason for people to change there mind,no it is not | |||
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" Sorry, which set of treacherous MPs are you referring to? The ERG and DUP who stopped Mrs May from leaving with an agreement? or The Conservative moderates who are stopping Mr Johnson from leaving without an agreement? " thank you..... thank you..... thank you..... | |||
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"Is that a reason for people to change there mind,no it is not" I meant because people prioritise what’s important and when something becomes a painful hassle and stress they tend to see it as less important. Anyway let’s see what happens as the drama goes on. | |||
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"There is nothing democratic about what has happened over the last 3 years. Common sense when voting leave was people where voting to leave, nothing about a deal. Where in life does leave, mean a deal? It has been utterly disappointing that a country that is meant to have democracy bows towards the minority because they are making the most noise. Everyone is fed up with hearing about Brexit - its about time the vote was honoured. For those incapable of remembering what the ballot paper said... it said to leave the EU. " Also it didn't say anything about no deal. The main leave campaign groups all said we would have some kind of deal. Just because we're all sick of hearing about it. Doesn't mean we should just give up on life. | |||
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"When you decide to leave somewhere in everyday life.... do you leave? Just plain silly even suggesting about "there was nothing to do with a deal on the ballot". Giving up on life? Jesus we have only been a remember for 40 years... do you think the world will end? Reminds me of the hysteria of the millennium... no one having access to food/money/healthcare etc... I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. " If I decide to leave in everyday life. And it's the wrong thing to do, I reconsider, and then stay where I am. | |||
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"When you decide to leave somewhere in everyday life.... do you leave? Just plain silly even suggesting about "there was nothing to do with a deal on the ballot". Giving up on life? Jesus we have only been a remember for 40 years... do you think the world will end? Reminds me of the hysteria of the millennium... no one having access to food/money/healthcare etc... I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. If I decide to leave in everyday life. And it's the wrong thing to do, I reconsider, and then stay where I am." So your with a group of friends, you decide to vote whether to leave or stay the venue after a lengthy debate. Don't tell me you go against your friends majority decision and remain... if so your lying or you don't have friends. Stop denying the obvious to fit your agenda. | |||
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"When you decide to leave somewhere in everyday life.... do you leave? Just plain silly even suggesting about "there was nothing to do with a deal on the ballot". Giving up on life? Jesus we have only been a remember for 40 years... do you think the world will end? Reminds me of the hysteria of the millennium... no one having access to food/money/healthcare etc... I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. If I decide to leave in everyday life. And it's the wrong thing to do, I reconsider, and then stay where I am. So your with a group of friends, you decide to vote whether to leave or stay the venue after a lengthy debate. Don't tell me you go against your friends majority decision and remain... if so your lying or you don't have friends. Stop denying the obvious to fit your agenda." If the debate was based on a lie, I would stay at home. | |||
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" I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. " Does your guarantee include a compensation clause. And like some of these insurance schemes, is Northern Ireland excluded? | |||
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"When you decide to leave somewhere in everyday life.... do you leave? Just plain silly even suggesting about "there was nothing to do with a deal on the ballot". Giving up on life? Jesus we have only been a remember for 40 years... do you think the world will end? Reminds me of the hysteria of the millennium... no one having access to food/money/healthcare etc... I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. If I decide to leave in everyday life. And it's the wrong thing to do, I reconsider, and then stay where I am. So your with a group of friends, you decide to vote whether to leave or stay the venue after a lengthy debate. Don't tell me you go against your friends majority decision and remain... if so your lying or you don't have friends. Stop denying the obvious to fit your agenda." If I leave with them, and then find they have no idea where they want to go next, and then realise all the other clubs are full, except the real shit expensive one, and then find we all have stamps from the old club which allows us to get back in for free... Maybe then I may suggest we have another vote on which club to go to... Id also be pretty mythed that my so called mates who ring led leaving wooed me with promises of a better club... And only after started to say the shit hole was always the default, and I should have listened to my mates who were telling me to stay. I'd be particularly pissed if my mates then frog matched me to the shit hole. Especially when they ate saying, while all the bad stories may not be true, some are... | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. " You have a short memory OP. Let me remind you that we are in this mess because de Pfeffel and 2 other Eaton posh boys had a falling out over how long one would stay in 10 Downing St and which of the other 2 (Gideon or de Pfeffel) would get his job when he left. And it was de Pfeffel who was the first treacherous sod who stabbed his posh boy mates in the back for power (just as he did to the Maybot last year). Guess its a case of what goes round comes round, and it is now de Pfeffel's turn in the barrel. | |||
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"How many extra premature deaths is worth it when we can’t import medicines or radioactive isotopes in our current way? How many people going hungry or even starving is worth it as food rots on lorries unable to get into the UK or goes unpicked in fields as the labourers have left the uk and can’t come back? I hope I am wrong in my pessimism, but I personally don’t want to risk anyone’s life for some ideological fantasies. And how many planes fell out of the sky due to the millennium bug? The cargo bottleneck is talked about as being on the French side of the Channel and they are reportedly dealing with that. All these goods that are supposedly not going to get through are EU exports, do we believe that the EU is going to allow such a loss of trade? Do we really believe that medication etc (some of the highest value by volume exports) are not going to be prioritised?" Have we any example of great disruption of normality and mutual understanding ever transitioning smoothly ever been recorded ? They can't even plan a bit of extra track across the UK Seriously for fucks sake the infrastructure adjustments required for all trade from UK to be done WTO would be vast for some foolish reason some feel the added administration can be done with a few more staff and a computer program No one knows that no deal is plausible let alone will happen To genuinely prepare would take years AND vast financial commitments, no one is nowhere near prepared, even many of those who think they maybe | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. " MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job. | |||
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"The deal will be May's one. " I think you may be right. Johnson can do one of two things: a) sit on his hands and sulk b) get his finger out and find 400+ people who think Brexit on October 31 is more important than the terms of Brexit. | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job. ".... and if that is contrary to what their constituency has told them? | |||
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"Stephen Kinnock's amendment, which got through, actually brings the may withdrawal agreement back into the frame. " And also prevents an extension being used for anything else other than seeking a withdrawal agreement | |||
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.... and if that is contrary to what their constituency has told them?"Constituents neither told nor did not tell them to vote for May's deal. Likewise no deal. Anything thrown at the rebels MP's today should be thrown at rebel MP's under May. | |||
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"The deal will be May's one. I think you may be right. Johnson can do one of two things: a) sit on his hands and sulk b) get his finger out and find 400+ people who think Brexit on October 31 is more important than the terms of Brexit. " Surely impossible given the fuss he himself has made about the backstop? I can't see even Boris being willing to turn face like that. | |||
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"Stephen Kinnock's amendment, which got through, actually brings the may withdrawal agreement back into the frame. And also prevents an extension being used for anything else other than seeking a withdrawal agreement " which is what the jan 31st extention is there for in the 1st place... the only reason why the amendement went thru is that the government who said they would put up people to oppose it suddenly couldn't provide tellers to count it.... that was deliberate.......... if they really want to remove it... the lords can take it out of the bill when sending it back... | |||
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"anyway... take a bow kenneth clarke.... he gave johnson a savaging..... johnson is going to regret calling this GE motion, because you just gave everyone to savage you on being untrustworthy for 2 hrs and you just have to sit there and take it..... cracking TV by the way!!!! "yep....... Ken Clarke was the greatest prime minister we never had. As chancellor of the exchequer he laid the foundations for the years of plenty that Tony Blair enjoyed. He is the greatest politician this country has ever had in my humble opinion. | |||
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"When you decide to leave somewhere in everyday life.... do you leave? Just plain silly even suggesting about "there was nothing to do with a deal on the ballot". Giving up on life? Jesus we have only been a remember for 40 years... do you think the world will end? Reminds me of the hysteria of the millennium... no one having access to food/money/healthcare etc... I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. If I decide to leave in everyday life. And it's the wrong thing to do, I reconsider, and then stay where I am. So your with a group of friends, you decide to vote whether to leave or stay the venue after a lengthy debate. Don't tell me you go against your friends majority decision and remain... if so your lying or you don't have friends. Stop denying the obvious to fit your agenda. If I leave with them, and then find they have no idea where they want to go next, and then realise all the other clubs are full, except the real shit expensive one, and then find we all have stamps from the old club which allows us to get back in for free... Maybe then I may suggest we have another vote on which club to go to... Id also be pretty mythed that my so called mates who ring led leaving wooed me with promises of a better club... And only after started to say the shit hole was always the default, and I should have listened to my mates who were telling me to stay. I'd be particularly pissed if my mates then frog matched me to the shit hole. Especially when they ate saying, while all the bad stories may not be true, some are... " So you think it would be more expensive... even though the EU sells us more then we sell them? What lies? We won't be spending X amount on a membership and penalised for buying outside the EU. Other countries successfully trade without the EU dictating to them on more then trade agreements. In fact here are a list on the government website:- Trade agreements that have been signed Agreements with the following countries and trading blocs will take effect when the UK leaves the EU: Andean countries CARIFORUM trade blocCentral America Chile Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc ?Faroe Islands Iceland and Norway Israel Liechtenstein Pacific states Palestinian Authority South Korea Switzerland Mutual recognition agreements Australia, New Zealand and United States have signed mutual recognition agreements. Discussions with Japan are ongoing and will not be completed before exit day. We can't predict the future but have many countries willing to sort a trade deal, why would you want to be so limited and not trade with the big wide world? Anyway everyone has their own opinions, being positive and excited about unlimited possibilities is much more fun then being pessimistic. People should be proud of their country rather then doubt it's self. You wouldn't doubt your child's aspirations and tell them not to bother, you would encourage them to be their best and if you work hard they can achieve anything. Why is any different? Why would you not want to trade with the world? | |||
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"There is nothing democratic about what has happened over the last 3 years. Common sense when voting leave was people where voting to leave, nothing about a deal. Where in life does leave, mean a deal? It has been utterly disappointing that a country that is meant to have democracy bows towards the minority because they are making the most noise. Everyone is fed up with hearing about Brexit - its about time the vote was honoured. For those incapable of remembering what the ballot paper said... it said to leave the EU. " "Nobody is talking about leaving the single market" Daniel Hannan, Brexiteer and a Chair of Vote Leave. "We could be like Norway, like Switzerland or Iceland..." Nigel Farage. Guess what, those were the options the Leave campaign played with in the referendum. That's the mandate. Nothing was said about no deal, those who mentioned it in the Leave camp said it'd be insane. You want no deal, re-run the referendum, with no deal and the original leave options put on. | |||
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"When you decide to leave somewhere in everyday life.... do you leave? Just plain silly even suggesting about "there was nothing to do with a deal on the ballot". Giving up on life? Jesus we have only been a remember for 40 years... do you think the world will end? Reminds me of the hysteria of the millennium... no one having access to food/money/healthcare etc... I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. If I decide to leave in everyday life. And it's the wrong thing to do, I reconsider, and then stay where I am. So your with a group of friends, you decide to vote whether to leave or stay the venue after a lengthy debate. Don't tell me you go against your friends majority decision and remain... if so your lying or you don't have friends. Stop denying the obvious to fit your agenda. If I leave with them, and then find they have no idea where they want to go next, and then realise all the other clubs are full, except the real shit expensive one, and then find we all have stamps from the old club which allows us to get back in for free... Maybe then I may suggest we have another vote on which club to go to... Id also be pretty mythed that my so called mates who ring led leaving wooed me with promises of a better club... And only after started to say the shit hole was always the default, and I should have listened to my mates who were telling me to stay. I'd be particularly pissed if my mates then frog matched me to the shit hole. Especially when they ate saying, while all the bad stories may not be true, some are... So you think it would be more expensive... even though the EU sells us more then we sell them? What lies? We won't be spending X amount on a membership and penalised for buying outside the EU. Other countries successfully trade without the EU dictating to them on more then trade agreements. In fact here are a list on the government website:- Trade agreements that have been signed Agreements with the following countries and trading blocs will take effect when the UK leaves the EU: Andean countries CARIFORUM trade blocCentral America Chile Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc ?Faroe Islands Iceland and Norway Israel Liechtenstein Pacific states Palestinian Authority South Korea Switzerland Mutual recognition agreements Australia, New Zealand and United States have signed mutual recognition agreements. Discussions with Japan are ongoing and will not be completed before exit day. We can't predict the future but have many countries willing to sort a trade deal, why would you want to be so limited and not trade with the big wide world? Anyway everyone has their own opinions, being positive and excited about unlimited possibilities is much more fun then being pessimistic. People should be proud of their country rather then doubt it's self. You wouldn't doubt your child's aspirations and tell them not to bother, you would encourage them to be their best and if you work hard they can achieve anything. Why is any different? Why would you not want to trade with the world? " You know what is funny, we had/have all those trade deals because we are in the EU anyway. They've only been renewed, and in the cases of some cases they have actually been downgraded. Japan has outright said that we are not getting anything better than what we had from the EU. So a lot of chaos, for no improvement. | |||
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"When you decide to leave somewhere in everyday life.... do you leave? Just plain silly even suggesting about "there was nothing to do with a deal on the ballot". Giving up on life? Jesus we have only been a remember for 40 years... do you think the world will end? Reminds me of the hysteria of the millennium... no one having access to food/money/healthcare etc... I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. If I decide to leave in everyday life. And it's the wrong thing to do, I reconsider, and then stay where I am. So your with a group of friends, you decide to vote whether to leave or stay the venue after a lengthy debate. Don't tell me you go against your friends majority decision and remain... if so your lying or you don't have friends. Stop denying the obvious to fit your agenda. If I leave with them, and then find they have no idea where they want to go next, and then realise all the other clubs are full, except the real shit expensive one, and then find we all have stamps from the old club which allows us to get back in for free... Maybe then I may suggest we have another vote on which club to go to... Id also be pretty mythed that my so called mates who ring led leaving wooed me with promises of a better club... And only after started to say the shit hole was always the default, and I should have listened to my mates who were telling me to stay. I'd be particularly pissed if my mates then frog matched me to the shit hole. Especially when they ate saying, while all the bad stories may not be true, some are... So you think it would be more expensive... even though the EU sells us more then we sell them? What lies? We won't be spending X amount on a membership and penalised for buying outside the EU. Other countries successfully trade without the EU dictating to them on more then trade agreements. In fact here are a list on the government website:- Trade agreements that have been signed Agreements with the following countries and trading blocs will take effect when the UK leaves the EU: Andean countries CARIFORUM trade blocCentral America Chile Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc ?Faroe Islands Iceland and Norway Israel Liechtenstein Pacific states Palestinian Authority South Korea Switzerland Mutual recognition agreements Australia, New Zealand and United States have signed mutual recognition agreements. Discussions with Japan are ongoing and will not be completed before exit day. We can't predict the future but have many countries willing to sort a trade deal, why would you want to be so limited and not trade with the big wide world? Anyway everyone has their own opinions, being positive and excited about unlimited possibilities is much more fun then being pessimistic. People should be proud of their country rather then doubt it's self. You wouldn't doubt your child's aspirations and tell them not to bother, you would encourage them to be their best and if you work hard they can achieve anything. Why is any different? Why would you not want to trade with the world? " Yes. We import the equivalent if something like 15% to 20% of our gdp. Putting tarriffs on this will make it more expensive for us. I didnt say they lied. I said they wooed with promises of a better club. And were less vocal about this may not happen and we'd be left in (imo) a shit place. How many of those agreements are ones which we didn't have while being part of the eu? If trade deals are good, isnt walking away from a big one with our nearest neighbours bad? Are we not trading with the world now? I think the UK is a pretty good place already. I don't see how being out the eu helps in aspiring to be the best. In my imagination I can create scenarios where we get great trade deals via being part of a huge trading bloc. Why be pessimistic about the opportunitiea here.. Sometimes being the best also means being part of a team... | |||
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".... and if that is contrary to what their constituency has told them?" Yes! That is not only their job it is what they swore an oath to do! If we don't like it we can remove them at the next election. | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job.
.... and if that is contrary to what their constituency has told them?"I believe an MP is elected to act and decide on what he or she thinks is best for constituency and country, don't you? | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job.
.... and if that is contrary to what their constituency has told them?
I believe an MP is elected to act and decide on what he or she thinks is best for constituency and country, don't you? "No | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job.
.... and if that is contrary to what their constituency has told them?
I believe an MP is elected to act and decide on what he or she thinks is best for constituency and country, don't you?
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" MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job.
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I believe an MP is elected to act and decide on what he or she thinks is best for constituency and country, don't you?
No
Though shit, that's the contract and convention.
What do you think they are elected for?"If their job isn't to act in accordance with what they think is best for their constituency and country then I have no idea what their meant to do. | |||
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" MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job.
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I believe an MP is elected to act and decide on what he or she thinks is best for constituency and country, don't you?
No
Though shit, that's the contract and convention.
What do you think they are elected for?
If their job isn't to act in accordance with what they think is best for their constituency and country then I have no idea what their meant to do. "They get great salaries. They also have a greater opportunity to take care of their private interests. | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job.
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"When you decide to leave somewhere in everyday life.... do you leave? Just plain silly even suggesting about "there was nothing to do with a deal on the ballot". Giving up on life? Jesus we have only been a remember for 40 years... do you think the world will end? Reminds me of the hysteria of the millennium... no one having access to food/money/healthcare etc... I guarantee everyone will wake up the next day and nothing will be horrendously different. If I decide to leave in everyday life. And it's the wrong thing to do, I reconsider, and then stay where I am. So your with a group of friends, you decide to vote whether to leave or stay the venue after a lengthy debate. Don't tell me you go against your friends majority decision and remain... if so your lying or you don't have friends. Stop denying the obvious to fit your agenda. If I leave with them, and then find they have no idea where they want to go next, and then realise all the other clubs are full, except the real shit expensive one, and then find we all have stamps from the old club which allows us to get back in for free... Maybe then I may suggest we have another vote on which club to go to... Id also be pretty mythed that my so called mates who ring led leaving wooed me with promises of a better club... And only after started to say the shit hole was always the default, and I should have listened to my mates who were telling me to stay. I'd be particularly pissed if my mates then frog matched me to the shit hole. Especially when they ate saying, while all the bad stories may not be true, some are... So you think it would be more expensive... even though the EU sells us more then we sell them? What lies? We won't be spending X amount on a membership and penalised for buying outside the EU. Other countries successfully trade without the EU dictating to them on more then trade agreements. In fact here are a list on the government website:- Trade agreements that have been signed Agreements with the following countries and trading blocs will take effect when the UK leaves the EU: Andean countries CARIFORUM trade blocCentral America Chile Eastern and Southern Africa (ESA) trade bloc ?Faroe Islands Iceland and Norway Israel Liechtenstein Pacific states Palestinian Authority South Korea Switzerland Mutual recognition agreements Australia, New Zealand and United States have signed mutual recognition agreements. Discussions with Japan are ongoing and will not be completed before exit day. We can't predict the future but have many countries willing to sort a trade deal, why would you want to be so limited and not trade with the big wide world? Anyway everyone has their own opinions, being positive and excited about unlimited possibilities is much more fun then being pessimistic. People should be proud of their country rather then doubt it's self. You wouldn't doubt your child's aspirations and tell them not to bother, you would encourage them to be their best and if you work hard they can achieve anything. Why is any different? Why would you not want to trade with the world? " Delete Free Trade with Germany, insert free trade with Faroe Islands. You can see the stupidity of claiming that the FTAs ready to go will in any way make up for the loss of the FTAs with the EU and the other 70+ trade deals we have because we are in the EU | |||
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"I believe Boris is planning to betray people who want to leave. He's posturing to try to get leave votes off the Brexit party. I will almost say I'll eat my hat if he really did oversee a leave in which the EU held no power over us on Oct 31st. I know Britain has it's own problems, but at least we have a semblance of being able to elect and vote out our leaders, thus giving them some accountability to us, unlike the EU commission which makes the laws, and can never be voted in or out by us." But the UK had an opt-in of the AFSJ on a case by case basis, meaning they can ignore any law made by the EU if they want. Unless I missed something? | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. MP's are voting in accordance with what they feel is in the National interest, which is their job.
.... and if that is contrary to what their constituency has told them?
I believe an MP is elected to act and decide on what he or she thinks is best for constituency and country, don't you?
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Though shit, that's the contract and convention.
What do you think they are elected for?"In matters as important as Brexit, The most important decision made by the people during ANY standing MP's career they should just do what their constituents voted for. In or Out, no party politics should have been involved at all. That's why its such a mess, the people voted on a non party political subject, the MP's have tried to make how the country voted fit their party politics & policy. A square peg in a round hole comes to mind. S | |||
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" We can't have a serious negotiation hand if we have the option of no deal removed. 2." No, the biggest obstacle to any negotiation is the fact that one of the parties is powerless to implement the outcome. | |||
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" We can't have a serious negotiation hand if we have the option of no deal removed. 2. No, the biggest obstacle to any negotiation is the fact that one of the parties is powerless to implement the outcome. " But if your negotiating hands have been tied by your own side then you'll probably never be able to achieve anything acceptable to your own side who hamstrung you to begin with. | |||
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"The UK has been powerless to implement any outcome for three years. The only agreement that will fly between now and the end of October is the 2018 Withdrawal Agreement. Holding a gun to your head and threatening to pull the trigger does not strike me as a very impressive tactic. " but on the flip side if you say "I have to have a deal" come what may do you really see anything that would weigh in our favour to make the EU give ground? | |||
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"And a whole new negotiation then, without those stupid red lines. The uncomfortable truth is that Britain is being run by a PM who is not trusted. Not in Parliament - that was obvious from the likes of the Hammonds and Clarkes who have come as close to calling Johnson a liar as etiquette allows. Not in Brussels - European leaders have let it be known that Johnson makes the backstop even more essential, because he cannot be trusted. Basically, Britain is being led by someone perceived to be a serial liar. " . Yes and we have him thanks to the anti democratic actions of the entire ruling/media class who've sought to overturn a democratic decision for 3 long years. You people are why we are where we are with Boris as are pm, if you insist on keeping on with this charades we'll end up with Nige was PM. Think on,man the fuck up and accept democracy. | |||
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"What you are really saying is that the only leverage the UK has with the EU is how much of our own blood they might get splattered with: "We are stupid enough to blow our own brains out so watch out for the blood heading your way." Thankfully, there is a majority in Parliament who are sensible enough to realise the present administration is stupid enough to follow through with that. " Yes quite right,a few good and decent men and women put country before party. History will view them favourably. | |||
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"And a whole new negotiation then, without those stupid red lines. The uncomfortable truth is that Britain is being run by a PM who is not trusted. Not in Parliament - that was obvious from the likes of the Hammonds and Clarkes who have come as close to calling Johnson a liar as etiquette allows. Not in Brussels - European leaders have let it be known that Johnson makes the backstop even more essential, because he cannot be trusted. Basically, Britain is being led by someone perceived to be a serial liar. " Everything you said there is bang on | |||
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"The English people are being deprived of there democratic vote by traitors. Fabians within the government, judicial system, and media. Are only interested in their own self interest. If fascism ever come to Europe. It will be under the guise of liberalism. " You were warned that this would happen, stop moaning, get over it | |||
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"The English people are being deprived of there democratic vote by traitors. Fabians within the government, judicial system, and media. Are only interested in their own self interest. If fascism ever come to Europe. It will be under the guise of liberalism. " Deprived of their democratic vote? When ? | |||
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"The historical vote result was specifically to leave with a deal, compared to staying. " No it wasn’t... No point reading what you have written after this. | |||
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"but on the flip side if you say "I have to have a deal" come what may do you really see anything that would weigh in our favour to make the EU give ground? " It's 2019, The EU is not America, that is nothing remotely like how they do deals. The EU just did trade deals with Canada, Japan, Brazil, Argentina etc... Not once did either side try and hold the other hostage. Its just simple back and forths. You say "We need our beef into your country", they say "Hold on, we will run the maths" They come back "If we let your beef in, we need our wine, whiskey, beef, and cars in your country".. You say "Hold on we well do the math". You dont say "well here is a deadline and if you dont do what we say we will crash our economy". The EU put the GFA on the table first, the UK looked at it and came back with a promise to do it later, the EU said okay, then started to put trade on the table. With the deadline able to move, the EU had said that nearly everything in the UK would be 0%, that there would be freedom of movement for short trips/business. That people would be able to stay in the UK if there already and stay in the EU if already there. Then the UK took the promise at the start off the table, so the EU simply wiped the trade deal off the table. Its just that simple, nothing can get the trade back on the table except addressing the GFA again. Nothing at all can. | |||
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"Its quite simple really. The best deal you ever get from a car salesman is the one you get when you lift your bum off his office chair & reach for the door. Sit with your arse glued to his seat & no matter what you ask for you will not get the best deal he can offer.. The only people that don't understand this are those that don't pay for their own cars. This vote had fuck all to do with no deal & everything to do with no brexit. & imo the two main parties will be paying the price of their dereliction & democratic treachery for many many years to come whether Brexit happens or not. S " Omg primary school negotiating The best car sales people , rely upon you thinking like that , | |||
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"The English people are being deprived of there democratic vote by traitors. Fabians within the government, judicial system, and media. Are only interested in their own self interest. If fascism ever come to Europe. It will be under the guise of liberalism. " Presumably by non-English people, then? | |||
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"Jo Johnson has now left the government and will not stand at the next general election ,,,,,, ( maybe the tories " picked the wrong brother " ) "He wants to spend less time with his family. | |||
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"If you take an objective look at it, you can see the referendum was a con from the start. Cameron did not expect to win the 2015 election. He thought it would another coalition with the Lib Dems. He'd be able to say: "Sorry, we have to drop the idea as part of the coalition agreement." Then he won the election. Now, any Government that puts a binary choice to the people might be expected to have a plan for both outcomes. Not so. Cameron refused to let the civil service make any contingency plan. So we end up voting for an idea or a slogan in a referendum that was never meant to happen. And therein lies the root of the chaos that haunts us to this day. " Exactly | |||
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"Its quite simple really. The best deal you ever get from a car salesman is the one you get when you lift your bum off his office chair & reach for the door. Sit with your arse glued to his seat & no matter what you ask for you will not get the best deal he can offer.. The only people that don't understand this are those that don't pay for their own cars. This vote had fuck all to do with no deal & everything to do with no brexit. & imo the two main parties will be paying the price of their dereliction & democratic treachery for many many years to come whether Brexit happens or not. S Omg primary school negotiating The best car sales people , rely upon you thinking like that , " " I want the new electric/hybrid Hyundai at 50% off, and I want you to cover 30% of my insurance costs for the next decade." "Sir, we really don't do offers like that, we only give the offers the company offers. We do have the advertised offer though." "That's not good enough for me, I won't buy from you and I'll go to the dealership on the other side of the country to find a better offer." "Sir, this is the best offer on the market." "NO ITS NOT, I'LL MAKE SOMEONE GIVE ME A BETTER OFFER, THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!." | |||
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"The historical vote result was specifically to leave with a deal, compared to staying. No it wasn’t... No point reading what you have written after this." It actually was though. | |||
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"Its quite simple really. The best deal you ever get from a car salesman is the one you get when you lift your bum off his office chair & reach for the door. Sit with your arse glued to his seat & no matter what you ask for you will not get the best deal he can offer.. The only people that don't understand this are those that don't pay for their own cars. This vote had fuck all to do with no deal & everything to do with no brexit. & imo the two main parties will be paying the price of their dereliction & democratic treachery for many many years to come whether Brexit happens or not. S Omg primary school negotiating The best car sales people , rely upon you thinking like that , " I want the new electric/hybrid Hyundai at 50% off, and I want you to cover 30% of my insurance costs for the next decade." "Sir, we really don't do offers like that, we only give the offers the company offers. We do have the advertised offer though." "That's not good enough for me, I won't buy from you and I'll go to the dealership on the other side of the country to find a better offer." "Sir, this is the best offer on the market." "NO ITS NOT, I'LL MAKE SOMEONE GIVE ME A BETTER OFFER, THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!."" *Gets up and heads to the door* "Wait sir, don't go. We can offer you that deal now. You can have the 50% off and 30% off your insurance. Its a total loss for us, but you really showed us you meant business by getting up to leave". | |||
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"The historical vote result was specifically to leave with a deal, compared to staying. No it wasn’t... No point reading what you have written after this. It actually was though." No it wasn’t. | |||
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"After seeing boris on the tv just now he looks on the ropes.His brother leaving has obviously shaken him. I would let him stew for as long as possible he might even resign . "aw bob he’s got a former niteclub owner from Durham behind him he can’t go wrong lol | |||
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"After seeing boris on the tv just now he looks on the ropes.His brother leaving has obviously shaken him. I would let him stew for as long as possible he might even resign . "I listened to him on LBC and it sounded a total car crash. Go Boris | |||
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"After seeing boris on the tv just now he looks on the ropes.His brother leaving has obviously shaken him. I would let him stew for as long as possible he might even resign . aw bob he’s got a former niteclub owner from Durham behind him he can’t go wrong lol"The mastermind known as Cummings .I am not convinced he’s played chess before because it’s looking like check mate for the Conservative party. | |||
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"After seeing boris on the tv just now he looks on the ropes.His brother leaving has obviously shaken him. I would let him stew for as long as possible he might even resign .
I listened to him on LBC and it sounded a total car crash.
Go Boris "He threw the script away for sure . | |||
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"After seeing boris on the tv just now he looks on the ropes.His brother leaving has obviously shaken him. I would let him stew for as long as possible he might even resign .
I listened to him on LBC and it sounded a total car crash.
Go Boris "Unfortunately, pretty much everything Trump does is a car crash, and people lap it up. Can see Boris winning an election quite easily, no matter how bad he gets. | |||
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"The historical vote result was specifically to leave with a deal, compared to staying. No it wasn’t... No point reading what you have written after this. It actually was though. No it wasn’t. " Every leader of a leave campaign group advocated for a deal - most remaining in the single market, others just the customs Union. That's your mandate for brexit. Get over it. | |||
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"The historical vote result was specifically to leave with a deal, compared to staying. No it wasn’t... No point reading what you have written after this. It actually was though. No it wasn’t. Every leader of a leave campaign group advocated for a deal - most remaining in the single market, others just the customs Union. That's your mandate for brexit. Get over it." Facts are facts. You are providing opinion, not facts. | |||
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" people will remember treachery " you are right.... the sacking of the 21 and then his brother turning on him will be the political documentry gold.... bit like the saturday night massacre during watergate.... the bit when the pm came all unglued and it fell apart... the beginning of the end.... all the defeats in the house of commons... then the general public telling him to bugger off in wakey... followed by that bizarre press conference in front of the plod..... the only thing that we need to know now is who plays bojo and who plays cummings... at this moment he's giving trump a run in the "who looks more sane" contest.... | |||
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"Boris can still win, seeing the treacherous EU, smirking, and mps ignoring an historic vote, people will remember treachery, and Channel 4 news left wing bias, is sickening " OMG! How deluded are you? Even dePfeffel's own brother has deserted him saying he is being made choose family loyalty over national interest and can't do it any longer! Now if channel 4 is as left wing biased, as you claim, they would surly be pointing out that something is seriously wrong when the family interests of the PM are in such direct conflict with the national interest that the PM's brother feels the need to so publicly distance himself from the PM! Do you not agree? And seeing as I have raised the question: What is it that makes the Johnson family interests so opposed to that of the nation? Could it be that they are and their no deal brexiteer mates are determined to crash the UK out of the EU prior to the full introduction of the EU income tax directive that would force them (and their backers) to disclose and pay tax on the money they have been transferring out of the UK for decades? Could it also be because it would close down the 'city' tax free money laundering 'business' that has been in operation since the deregulation of the banking and financial services industries in the 80's? (You know the one, the one that had our present Chancellor of The Exchequer paid £3 million in 2008 to sell junk bonds to the world on behalf of Deutsche Bank!) | |||
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"Don't think the country as been so divided since the English civil war, when brother was against brother, and their seems no end to it. If it comes to a film, who would play Boris? Gary Oldman "Is Arfur Daley still alive? | |||
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"Boris can still win, seeing the treacherous EU, smirking, and mps ignoring an historic vote, people will remember treachery, and Channel 4 news left wing bias, is sickening " If C4 is left leaning, it goes a little way towards balancing the rest of our mainstream media then. As most of it is pretty revoltingly outrageously right wing. Or do you only like your bias in one direction? | |||
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"I honestly think if there was another referendum then remain would win. I think people are sick of hearing the word Brexit. Is that a reason for people to change there mind,no it is not" Fortunately we live in a nation where we do not require your approval in order for us to change our own minds, therefore any reason is a good enough reason to change your mind. | |||
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"I honestly think if there was another referendum then remain would win. I think people are sick of hearing the word Brexit. Is that a reason for people to change there mind,no it is not Fortunately we live in a nation where we do not require your approval in order for us to change our own minds, therefore any reason is a good enough reason to change your mind." I think one reason people changed their mind is because value of British pound has gone down. When you go on holiday you need a strong pound to be able to afford things. I guess we’ll never know until there is another referendum. | |||
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"I honestly think if there was another referendum then remain would win. I think people are sick of hearing the word Brexit. Is that a reason for people to change there mind,no it is not Fortunately we live in a nation where we do not require your approval in order for us to change our own minds, therefore any reason is a good enough reason to change your mind. I think one reason people changed their mind is because value of British pound has gone down. When you go on holiday you need a strong pound to be able to afford things. I guess we’ll never know until there is another referendum." With such a weak pound, and 10% added on top, how will anyone even afford a coffee? | |||
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"I honestly think if there was another referendum then remain would win. I think people are sick of hearing the word Brexit. Is that a reason for people to change there mind,no it is not Fortunately we live in a nation where we do not require your approval in order for us to change our own minds, therefore any reason is a good enough reason to change your mind." | |||
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"Don't think the country as been so divided since the English civil war, when brother was against brother, and their seems no end to it. If it comes to a film, who would play Boris? Gary Oldman "Jabba the Hut. | |||
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"I think the snp and labour and libdems are appalling, they should allow an election before 31oct and let the people decide who negotiations with the EU. Devious treachery to deny the people their say, whilst going on about a people's vote. We had one over 3 years ago and it's still not been delivered. Would we have a reruns on a general election if it didn't go their way? Appalling performance on question Time last night, by Blackford and thornbeerry, given excessive air time to anti brexit stance, wilful admittance of ignoring a historic vote, British brain washing corporation at its finest " Actually, Emily Thornberry made Labour's position quite clear last night on QT. Labour will negotiate the best deal, will then hold another referendum, and will campaign to remain. | |||
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"I think the snp and labour and libdems are appalling, they should allow an election before 31oct and let the people decide who negotiations with the EU. Devious treachery to deny the people their say, whilst going on about a people's vote. We had one over 3 years ago and it's still not been delivered. Would we have a reruns on a general election if it didn't go their way? Appalling performance on question Time last night, by Blackford and thornbeerry, given excessive air time to anti brexit stance, wilful admittance of ignoring a historic vote, British brain washing corporation at its finest " It's been 3 years since the referendum. It looks like in that time we are going to have had 2 general elections. What's your point again? | |||
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"Rees Mogg said something similar a few years ago. That it would be sensible to take the terms of exit back to the people so they could make an informed choice. " He didn't say they would negotiate to leave and then campaign to remain though, did he? | |||
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"I think the snp and labour and libdems are appalling, they should allow an election before 31oct and let the people decide who negotiations with the EU. " Fancy that, opposition parties refusing to implement Government policy. Who'd have thunk it? | |||
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"The historical vote result was specifically to leave with a deal, compared to staying. No it wasn’t... No point reading what you have written after this. It actually was though. No it wasn’t. Every leader of a leave campaign group advocated for a deal - most remaining in the single market, others just the customs Union. That's your mandate for brexit. Get over it." . A trade deal not a withdrawal agreement. Not one single person on either side mentioned a withdrawal agreement. That's a fact!. | |||
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"As I said before, the political elite will decide, those with the money, privilege, and power,playing their mind games with fat salaries and pensions, like its a university debate,far removed from the reality of modern Britain. No wander no one trusts politicians any more, Don't blame people if they never vote again " Apathy isn’t your friend.Vote Nigel into parliament then you’ll have a voice of sorts .Hes a honest geezer.. | |||
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"As I said before, the political elite will decide, those with the money, privilege, and power,playing their mind games with fat salaries and pensions, like its a university debate,far removed from the reality of modern Britain. No wander no one trusts politicians any more, Don't blame people if they never vote again " But they will vote again. If you voted to leave the EU and are now feeling let down , angry or foolish then I am afraid you were all warned this would happen. Get over it | |||
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"I think the snp and labour and libdems are appalling, they should allow an election before 31oct and let the people decide who negotiations with the EU. Fancy that, opposition parties refusing to implement Government policy. Who'd have thunk it? " ROFL | |||
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" Not one single person on either side mentioned a withdrawal agreement. That's a fact!." It has been written into law for a decade and more. Article 50 describes. | |||
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"The historical vote result was specifically to leave with a deal, compared to staying. No it wasn’t... No point reading what you have written after this. It actually was though. No it wasn’t. " You regurgitate your tiny objections, having no substance ever. The leave campaign and politicians who campaigned for leave, consistently stated that leaving entailed the UK securing a deal, whilst they excluded specifically a no-deal scenario. The politicians are on record doing this. | |||
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"I wander if Boris will resign? He seems trapped by events, beyond his control. Falling on his sword may be the dignified way out, so as not to become Theresa may number 2," His ego is too big to go down as the shortest serving PM in history. | |||
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"I wander if Boris will resign? He seems trapped by events, beyond his control. Falling on his sword may be the dignified way out, so as not to become Theresa may number 2," I think he's worse going by what's happening | |||
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"Who agrees that some of the treacherous mps should get another job, and stop allowing a historic vote to leave the treacherous EU, to be implemented. You'll keep voting until you vote the way we want you to. I certainly won't!. I voted out so why are we still in the shambles! Three years later. Ignoring 17.4million people, appalling!. " We think all 650 of them should go and get other jobs. | |||
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" And in 5 final words you sum up the 'remainers' arguement. If you don't agree then you don't understand... " Well given the blind faith support of a no deal exit that sounds like a logical conclusion! How could someone fully aware of the facts approve no deal? If turkeys could vote even they would see the problems associated with Christmas! | |||
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"I think he will resign if they won't allow a election on Monday, and we will have a caretaker pm until a general election. Probably Ken Clarke. " | |||
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