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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

simple question.... how many tories will rebel against johnson tomorrow?

just put down a number... closest wins... you become king/queen of the political forum for 24hrs!

the house rises at 2.30 tomorrow... but there is foreign office questions, then followed by bojo statement on G7 and Gove statement on no deal brexit prep...

debate should start at 4pm ish... and will go on for a minimum of 3hrs....

go.........

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think the number will be 17........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmm, you think any of those Tories have any principles they’re actually willing to sacrifice their careers over Fabio ?

Good luck with that assumption x

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

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By *oguish1Man
over a year ago

Carrigrohane

My chips are on 19

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lucky 13?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there are 6 for whom Johnson plus brexit's trajectory are already declared rebels regardless.

I'm going to say there are 10 more who are waiting to see what is done by the opposition to see how they can game it.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Don't know.

But my gut is split, over 3 but under 10 or over 70 but less than 180 (I think if there is a real revolt even some of those who supported BoJo in the leadership contest will desert him). It all depends on how many put their big boy and girl panties on, and whether the sight of a group of Tory former ministerial grandees crossing the floor to vote against the government causes a domino effect.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

23 Conservative MPs to withhold their support.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

My money is on 18 but it all depends what happens today.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

16.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

I'll guess an optimistic 18

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

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By *ex4unowCouple
over a year ago

near you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is abstaining counted as a vote against

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Is abstaining counted as a vote against "

It depends which side wins the vote. But if you abstain from voting, then you have no right to complain about the outcome or consequences of that vote.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Is abstaining counted as a vote against "

When the Government has a majority of one, the effect is basically the same - 2 abstentions and it's an away win!

Some Tory MPs will find it easier to abstain than to have to justify why they voted with Corbyn and Labour.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

These answers prove nobody know

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Justine Greening to stand down from Parliament, so there's one who doesn't care about deselection in the slightest.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Justine Greening to stand down from Parliament, so there's one who doesn't care about deselection in the slightest.

I think there's at least seven Conservative MPs that have publically stated that they will defy the PM.

Should one of the heavyweights such as Hammond or Gauke go that way, then that might encourage more to cross over.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

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over a year ago

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Will there be a thread for numbers of opposition mp's voting with the government?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nein

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will there be a thread for numbers of opposition mp's voting with the government?"
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Nein

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Justine Greening to stand down from Parliament, so there's one who doesn't care about deselection in the slightest.

I think there's at least seven Conservative MPs that have publically stated that they will defy the PM.

Should one of the heavyweights such as Hammond or Gauke go that way, then that might encourage more to cross over. "

Hammond will defy the Government, as will Sam Gyminah and quite possibly Sir Nicolas Soames.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, Hammond basically accused Johnson of lying about his intention towards new negotiations with Brussels.

And he laid into the "entryists" now running the party - Cummings is not even a member of the party, apparently.

This is the Brexit Party, not the Conservative and Unionist Party.

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By *ab_SparklesWoman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

But is their idea of Conservatism nearer the Lib Dems, or nearer to what we have now?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

But is their idea of Conservatism nearer the Lib Dems, or nearer to what we have now?

Thats a question that should be answered through the ballot box.

It is not for one individual to unilaterally take a personal decision that is in conflict with the manifesto and policy upon which they were elected to become an MP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

It is very very funny though . I bet your glad you didn’t vote

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

I have been asked for a ruling because obviously he would have rebelled but has now defected....

so i propose we bring down everyone who had guess before now... by 1..... to make it fair.....

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

I have been asked for a ruling because obviously he would have rebelled but has now defected....

so i propose we bring down everyone who had guess before now... by 1..... to make it fair....."

What about the conservative MPs who have come out today to confirm they will not be standing at the next election? deduct those also?

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

"
. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s glorious and delightfully entertaining..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election"

Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election

Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)

It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ??

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election

Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)

It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ??

a great deal at the moment is no deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election

Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)

It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ??

a great deal at the moment is no deal.

At the moment? Was it a great deal 3 years ago when we left?

. I bet your glad you not one of the fools who voted for this

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election

Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)

It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ??

a great deal at the moment is no deal.

At the moment? Was it a great deal 3 years ago when we left?

. I bet your glad you not one of the fools who voted for this

Same answer I gave in the other thread.....

deal or no deal has always been there ... right from the start

Bet your a bit pissed off you didn't realise this when you voted?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems

Really very very wrong

71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.

They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)

2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.

They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit

Democracy.... we have no democracy!

. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election

Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)

It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ??

a great deal at the moment is no deal.

At the moment? Was it a great deal 3 years ago when we left?

. I bet your glad you not one of the fools who voted for this

Same answer I gave in the other thread.....

deal or no deal has always been there ... right from the start

Bet your a bit pissed off you didn't realise this when you voted?"

Who said I voted?? This is a fuck site forum? Don’t believe anything you read on here ?

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

okay... here we go... the debate is starting now!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"okay... here we go... the debate is starting now!"

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I can hear a fiddle playing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

103

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can hear a fiddle playing. "

Are you in an Irish pub?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Chief Whip, Mark Spencer, is having the rebels in and removing the whip.

I would imagine that they don't give a damn.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

not confirmed yet, but looking like 21 rebel tory MPs voted against government tonight

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

If things dont go Boris' way tomorrow, looks like there might be an election called.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

BBC news

328 to 301

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

okay.... looks like the answer is 21...plus we said would count philip lee....

so i will take 22.........

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Sara J (23) closest to 22 ?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Will be interesting to see the names of the Tory MPs who have the whip withdrawn and are expelled from the party, and compare it to the list of those that voted against the government tonight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A sad day in the Kremlin

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Will be interesting to see the names of the Tory MPs who have the whip withdrawn and are expelled from the party, and compare it to the list of those that voted against the government tonight."

i think they will balked and not do it tonight and give them one last chance not to vote for the benn bill tomorrow....

having no working majority by 1 is bad.... having now working majority by 20 is a lot worse....

now if i was labour... no way would i fall for bojo trying to get a GE under FTA now....

get this thru first.....

make them squirm for a week to see what happens with the prorogue court cases....

then you can put so many conditions on getting the GE thru parliament you can make bojo basically piss in the wind and then go for your GE in December.....

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Will be interesting to see the names of the Tory MPs who have the whip withdrawn and are expelled from the party, and compare it to the list of those that voted against the government tonight.

i think they will balked and not do it tonight and give them one last chance not to vote for the benn bill tomorrow....

having no working majority by 1 is bad.... having now working majority by 20 is a lot worse....

now if i was labour... no way would i fall for bojo trying to get a GE under FTA now....

get this thru first.....

make them squirm for a week to see what happens with the prorogue court cases....

then you can put so many conditions on getting the GE thru parliament you can make bojo basically piss in the wind and then go for your GE in December....."
. , , 2 former chancellors , the father of the house and Churcill's grandson all sacked

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Sara J (23) closest to 22 ?"

I thought it was 21 (+ Phillip Lee, who was a Lib Dem by the time of the vote) ?

Do I get a prize?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

" , , 2 former chancellors , the father of the house and Churcill's grandson all sacked "

Sacked for refusing to support the PM by people who, um, er, refused to support the previous PM.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Sara J (23) closest to 22 ?

I thought it was 21 (+ Phillip Lee, who was a Lib Dem by the time of the vote) ?

Do I get a prize?

A hearty well done

Admittedly I never saw the Nicholas Soames rebellion coming.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Sara J (23) closest to 22 ?

I thought it was 21 (+ Phillip Lee, who was a Lib Dem by the time of the vote) ?

Do I get a prize?

Fabio ruled that as Philip Lee defected at the last minute, and he would definitely have been a rebel, then the total would be +1.

I think Fabio originally mentioned the prize would be ruler of politics forum for a day

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Oooooh, I get to be a dictator for a day!

From today, BJ reverts to its proper meaning!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Big Juggs?

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

dame caroline spelman rebels during the benn bill 2nd reading at this point... so i assume she will also lose the conservative whip....

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"dame caroline spelman rebels during the benn bill 2nd reading at this point... so i assume she will also lose the conservative whip...."

She voted with the government last night ... and now votes against.

Strange times

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"dame caroline spelman rebels during the benn bill 2nd reading at this point... so i assume she will also lose the conservative whip...."

Seems she gets to keep the whip and her job...

Sir Nicholes Somes, Churchill's grandson and the father of the house Ken Clerk out but Caroline Spelman (a member of the (Conservatives for European Reform) does not. I wonder why? LoL

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Upwards of 80 Conservative MPs have signed a letter saying that the whip should be returned to all the rebel MPs.

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