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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Does anyone think the proroguing of parliament is a clever tactic to take the opposition off balance and give an advantage to the conservatives in the upcoming election.

Do you think people will also tactically vote also?

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By *trangeleftyMan
over a year ago

London

No it happens all the time I don't see why it's any different

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Saying proroguing parliament is throwing the opposition off balance is assuming Labour had a plan.

Having said that - they have been voting against every deal possible so that one day they would get into government, so maybe this is their 3yrs of dastardly plan making that is eventually coming into its own.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Deliver

Unite

Defeat

Priority No 1 is Brexit

Priority No 2 is a General Election

In that order

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Does anyone think the proroguing of parliament is a clever tactic to take the opposition off balance and give an advantage to the conservatives in the upcoming election.

Do you think people will also tactically vote also?"

they won't be able to call a snap election under the fixed term parliament act unless you get a 2/3rd house majority.... and there is no way they will get any help in doing that from labour unless the election is this side of october 31st......

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

What a time to be alive!

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville


"What a time to be alive!"

... watching a PM have the shortest ministerial career in history and seeing Corbyn replaced to-boot is my guessing.

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By *avagliamMan
over a year ago

London

Interesting. Sounds as if you are implying that NoDeal Brexit will in fact happen; is that what you mean?

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By *avagliamMan
over a year ago

London


"Does anyone think the proroguing of parliament is a clever tactic to take the opposition off balance and give an advantage to the conservatives in the upcoming election.

Do you think people will also tactically vote also?

they won't be able to call a snap election under the fixed term parliament act unless you get a 2/3rd house majority.... and there is no way they will get any help in doing that from labour unless the election is this side of october 31st......

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Interesting. Sounds as if you are implying that NoDeal Brexit will in fact happen on October 31st; is that what you mean?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Johnsons only interest is power. He probably estimates that he's got a greater chance of winning power for 5 years soo, than waiting, until the population suffers from the negative damage from Brexit gets worse, when an early election may be something he'd lose.

He's also under the direction of Cummings, who largely believes in breaking rules, they've been running campaign trials for a few weeks

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I think Johnson is engineering a vote of no confidence in himself so that an election can be called. He will then point to his “determined” efforts to get us out of the EU without a deal and in doing so hope to hoover up Brexit Party voters. It is not without risk.

Now he is threatening any Conservative who votes against him this week will be deselected. With a majority of just one, this almost guarantees that the Govt will be a minority Govt by the end of the week and ripe for a vote of no confidence.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"I think Johnson is engineering a vote of no confidence in himself so that an election can be called. He will then point to his “determined” efforts to get us out of the EU without a deal and in doing so hope to hoover up Brexit Party voters. It is not without risk.

Now he is threatening any Conservative who votes against him this week will be deselected. With a majority of just one, this almost guarantees that the Govt will be a minority Govt by the end of the week and ripe for a vote of no confidence."
yep agree with you there we will now see how strong some of their principles are when they know their jobs are on the line.The tories know that labour dont want an election now as they are so low in the polls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think Johnson is engineering a vote of no confidence in himself so that an election can be called. He will then point to his “determined” efforts to get us out of the EU without a deal and in doing so hope to hoover up Brexit Party voters. It is not without risk.

Now he is threatening any Conservative who votes against him this week will be deselected. With a majority of just one, this almost guarantees that the Govt will be a minority Govt by the end of the week and ripe for a vote of no confidence.yep agree with you there we will now see how strong some of their principles are when they know their jobs are on the line.The tories know that labour dont want an election now as they are so low in the polls."

Agreed. Boris is having to trade off a GE before leaving, and TBP being a threat... Or leaving after, when any no deal chickens have come to roost. Any signs of project fear being reality will risk his and the tories credibility...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Agreed. Boris is having to trade off a GE before leaving, and TBP being a threat... Or leaving after, when any no deal chickens have come to roost. Any signs of project fear being reality will risk his and the tories credibility..."

Yes I'd guess Boris' preferred route would be to force a no deal on 31st October then an instant General Election.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

I think they need to do a vote.

Brexit - No deal, Rip up GFA,

Brexit - With Deal, Keep GFA,

Remain.

then collect all the votes from all over the country, and put them in a big massive cement mixer truck, mixing them all up.

The boris dresses up in a clown suit and picks out 10 votes from the mixer.

The one that has the most votes from them 10 is what they do.

As Boris reads out the final result the camera zooms in, and he squirts the camera with water from a flower on his shirt, then winks and says "anything else would be undemocratic", starts to laugh, the camera pulls away as london bus and black cabs enter the venue, and an old retired rock star plays guitar with fireworks going off behind them.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"I think they need to do a vote.

Brexit - No deal, Rip up GFA,

Brexit - With Deal, Keep GFA,

Remain.

then collect all the votes from all over the country, and put them in a big massive cement mixer truck, mixing them all up.

The boris dresses up in a clown suit and picks out 10 votes from the mixer.

The one that has the most votes from them 10 is what they do.

As Boris reads out the final result the camera zooms in, and he squirts the camera with water from a flower on his shirt, then winks and says "anything else would be undemocratic", starts to laugh, the camera pulls away as london bus and black cabs enter the venue, and an old retired rock star plays guitar with fireworks going off behind them."

That actually sounds a more sensible plan than anyone else has come up with.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"I think Johnson is engineering a vote of no confidence in himself so that an election can be called. He will then point to his “determined” efforts to get us out of the EU without a deal and in doing so hope to hoover up Brexit Party voters. It is not without risk.

Now he is threatening any Conservative who votes against him this week will be deselected. With a majority of just one, this almost guarantees that the Govt will be a minority Govt by the end of the week and ripe for a vote of no confidence."

Strong talk now that a GE will be called within the next 72 hours, possibly as early as tonight.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I think Johnson is engineering a vote of no confidence in himself so that an election can be called. He will then point to his “determined” efforts to get us out of the EU without a deal and in doing so hope to hoover up Brexit Party voters. It is not without risk.

Now he is threatening any Conservative who votes against him this week will be deselected. With a majority of just one, this almost guarantees that the Govt will be a minority Govt by the end of the week and ripe for a vote of no confidence.

Strong talk now that a GE will be called within the next 72 hours, possibly as early as tonight. "

Looking very very interesting ...

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"I think Johnson is engineering a vote of no confidence in himself so that an election can be called. He will then point to his “determined” efforts to get us out of the EU without a deal and in doing so hope to hoover up Brexit Party voters. It is not without risk.

Now he is threatening any Conservative who votes against him this week will be deselected. With a majority of just one, this almost guarantees that the Govt will be a minority Govt by the end of the week and ripe for a vote of no confidence.

Strong talk now that a GE will be called within the next 72 hours, possibly as early as tonight.

Looking very very interesting ... "

Keunsberg calling it and she's rarely wrong.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I think Johnson is engineering a vote of no confidence in himself so that an election can be called. He will then point to his “determined” efforts to get us out of the EU without a deal and in doing so hope to hoover up Brexit Party voters. It is not without risk.

Now he is threatening any Conservative who votes against him this week will be deselected. With a majority of just one, this almost guarantees that the Govt will be a minority Govt by the end of the week and ripe for a vote of no confidence.

Strong talk now that a GE will be called within the next 72 hours, possibly as early as tonight.

Looking very very interesting ...

Keunsberg calling it and she's rarely wrong. "

Fantastic

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Looks like another ploy to neutralise parliament.

3 weeks of party conference

+

6 weeks of General Election camp gin

=

9 weeks when Parliament is not sitting

= October 31.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The tories need an election after the conferences so that people can see corbyns true colours.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Looks like another ploy to neutralise parliament.

3 weeks of party conference

+

6 weeks of General Election camp gin

=

9 weeks when Parliament is not sitting

= October 31.

"

GE campaigning time wouldn't be reduced because of conferences.

Should Parliament be dissolved on Friday, then October 17th is the most likely GE date.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the PM has a rather cunning strategy.

If you look at the polling figures since he became PM, the Conservatives are now surging ahead whilst Labour are going backwards.

Yes, it's true that a Prime Minister can no longer just call a general election when he / she chooses, but there has been talk of opposition parties wanting to get a confidence vote called in the house since before his leadership was announced.

His prorogation of Parliament effectively amounts to an additional 4 days when the commons will not be sitting - since they'll be in recess anyway at this time of year for their annual conferences, so all the noises being made about him preventing parliament from debating brexit is just a load of hot air - but, Jeremy Corbyn keeps going on about a vote of no confidence and general elections - despite the fact that he hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of winning either at the moment - that Boris is pretty much calling his bluff.

Boris knows that there is a huge amount of disappointment and distrust of our parliamentarians at present and that it is our MP's who have caused all the problems over brexit.

He also knows that the numbers in the house just aren't in his favour at the moment so the best thing to do is to change the arithmetic - with a general election.

If I were a gambling man, I'd put money on a Mid November election

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


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GE campaigning time wouldn't be reduced because of conferences.

Should Parliament be dissolved on Friday, then October 17th is the most likely GE date. "

Just when you think the farce called Brexit cannot surprise you any more.

In the run-up to the most monumental upheaval in the lifetime of anyone of working age, when the whole structure of Government is supposed to be working flat-out to mitigate the risks to safety, security and wellbeing, let's shut down everything for a general election and kiss some babies for a few weeks.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

More money down the pan. More time wasted.

What a mess this modern politics lark is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"More money down the pan. More time wasted.

What a mess this modern politics lark is. "

Apparently the Tory money tree is in fruit this week the government is spending £100 million on adverts preparing the public for Brexit .

Awesome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"More money down the pan. More time wasted.

What a mess this modern politics lark is.

Apparently the Tory money tree is in fruit this week the government is spending £100 million on adverts preparing the public for Brexit .

Awesome. "

What's to prepare for? How to make the most of the wonderful new advantages brexit will offer us...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Latest! Blair weighs in and warns Labour not to fall into snap election bear trap.

Translation:

Blair, the man who is on the record saying he would rather see a Tory government than a Corbyn led Labour government says Labour should not force a GE before a no deal brexit happens, that way him and the rest of the torylite brigade can blame Corbyn for a no deal for a no deal brexit.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

corbyn has already fallen in the trap, hes been banging on about a GE for the last 3 years boris is going to ask the house for one and corbyn will have to vote for it even though hes on a hiding to nothing.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Boris will want an election asap to take advantage of his brexit bounce he won't want onevafter a no deal brexit when the country will be in turmoil. i think boris is aiming to trigger with his actions the last few days. jc would be foolish to let him have one pre brexit

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The conservatives have more hope of winning if they can pull in brexit party voters - so publicly pursuing a no deal brexit keeps them viewing Johnson more favourably. If the brexiters vote is split, across conservative, brexit and other parties, this reduces the chance of a Con win. Johnson's only it to gain the longest period in power, which would come from adding a new 5 year term onto the former period. The longer it's left, the lower the chances are that this 5 additional years could be manipulated in his favour. Now or never

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Oct the 14th then

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Oakhill

October 10th or 17th

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Oct the 14th then "
Except thats a monday

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"Oct the 14th then Except thats a monday"

My mistake that’s when he will seek it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Called it! 2 years ago same thing, it’s the best trap I’ve seen in ages.

The strategy the Tories have played have fucked any chances of a labour victory. Kudos to Dominic.

The rebels will lose also, No deal brexit will happen on the 31st, and there’s not a lot anyone can do about it.

You have to admit it another 5 years of Tory rule is going to be hell on earth, but their desire to cling on to power is greater than the oppositions, and With boris promising brexit it will destroy the brexit party in one fell swoop.

So it a choice, the right with boris, or the far right with Nigel.

My money is on boris doing a clean sweep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Labour had anyone with ideas at the helm rather than a bunch of professional protesters they would win an election by a landslide. Now the Tories have lost May they will rally together and gain the support they need from labour Brexiteers.

Labour being wishy washy has played into Conservative hands.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Oct the 14th then Except thats a monday"

I'm not aware of any legal requirement to hold elections on a Thursday, only a custom and practice.

I believe Thursday was picked historically because it fell the day before pay day when the average Joe was skint and less likely to be pissed up!

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I turn on my TV this morning, and I see JC rallying his troops with a "General Election, bring it on" speech.

Then I see Mary Creagh, Labour MP for Wakefield, saying that they will not support the 2/3rds majority needed for a GE.

Anyone on the left want to tell us exactly what Labour's position is?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Oct the 14th then Except thats a monday

I'm not aware of any legal requirement to hold elections on a Thursday, only a custom and practice.

I believe Thursday was picked historically because it fell the day before pay day when the average Joe was skint and less likely to be pissed up!

"

There is no legal requirement to have a GE on a Thursday.

Traditionally it was a Thursday as that was market day and most people went into town.

October 17th is slightly complicated as there is a big EU summit that day.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"I turn on my TV this morning, and I see JC rallying his troops with a "General Election, bring it on" speech.

Then I see Mary Creagh, Labour MP for Wakefield, saying that they will not support the 2/3rds majority needed for a GE.

Anyone on the left want to tell us exactly what Labour's position is? "

I can have a guess and say they are split.

Imagine this for a moment.

Parliament passes legislation that makes it illegal for the Government to exit the EU without an agreement.

Johnson immediately tables a motion calling for a General Election.

Labour says it is putting the national interest before the party interest and abstains.

Johnson has to stay in office, his hands now utterly tied by Parliament. His humiliation complete.

In the country, there is a relief at being spared six weeks of this shit on the doorstep.

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