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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The U.K. government has pledged to uprate the pensions of ex pats living in the EU for the next 3 years.

Let’s hope they continue to do so after those 3 years.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Why do you call migrants ex-pat?

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Why do you call migrants ex-pat?

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Er . . . Cause that's how they've always been referred as.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why do you call migrants ex-pat?

Er . . . Cause that's how they've always been referred as. "

That’s what I thought.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Paying for their health care too?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

OP, what does this actually mean?

Their pensions are to be "uprated".

I assume they are in receipt of a UK state pension.

Is the Government making a virtue of saying it will continue to pay their pensions?

Not sure I understand what this means.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"OP, what does this actually mean?

Their pensions are to be "uprated".

I assume they are in receipt of a UK state pension.

Is the Government making a virtue of saying it will continue to pay their pensions?

Not sure I understand what this means.

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What has happened in the past is if you draw a uk state pension and live outside the eu then that is the amount you will receive for life but if you lived within the eu when the pension rate rose you received that too.As we will be outside the eu when we leave your pension will remain fixed for life the amount you get at the time.The government have now said if you live in the eu you will get the rise for the next 3 years.Hope that clears it up for you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Thanks costa. Saved me writing that out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea


"Paying for their health care too? "

I hope so

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy. "
If they have paid in they are entitled to it surely.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy. "

It will be much cheaper if they stayed away but I know of a few that returned when care was needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy. If they have paid in they are entitled to it surely."

State pensions are not funded. Its a social contract. And the rules change over time... The triple lock is new, etc. I have no idea of the rules on expat pensions when they were paying in.

Given the EU expats seem to get a different deal I'm not sure what the 'promise' was...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


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What has happened in the past is if you draw a uk state pension and live outside the eu then that is the amount you will receive for life but if you lived within the eu when the pension rate rose you received that too.As we will be outside the eu when we leave your pension will remain fixed for life the amount you get at the time.The government have now said if you live in the eu you will get the rise for the next 3 years.Hope that clears it up for you. "

Ah, thanks I didn't know that.

Do you know why British pensioners were penalised in this way because they lived overseas?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Paying for their health care too?

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For a transitional period, perhaps. But why should taxpayers here pay for a national health service abroad? And if pensioners can get free care paid for by the UK Government, what about working-age people and tourists?

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By *pitfiremk10Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Ex pat's of which I am one must have private health care which in Spain isn't necessarily cheap. This comes into force post Brexit I'm informed. I'm not UK rules of retirement age yet but in Spain it's age 60. However the king of Spain has written laws to help ensure ex pat's are cared for. France I'm told hasn't! No surprise so perhaps there will be very few ex pat's in France next year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy.

It will be much cheaper if they stayed away but I know of a few that returned when care was needed"

Health care tourism does put a strain on our NHS.No doubt after Brexit the walking dead will return from the costas in their droves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy.

It will be much cheaper if they stayed away but I know of a few that returned when care was needed

Health care tourism does put a strain on our NHS.No doubt after Brexit the walking dead will return from the costas in their droves."

Very true

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By *pitfiremk10Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

But those people who you refer to As walking dead will have paid into the system all their lives so do you begrudge them treatment?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy.

It will be much cheaper if they stayed away but I know of a few that returned when care was needed

Health care tourism does put a strain on our NHS.No doubt after Brexit the walking dead will return from the costas in their droves."
It shouldn't but we just don't enforce it as other countries do.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Health care tourism does put a strain on our NHS.No doubt after Brexit the walking dead will return from the costas in their droves."

Yes, the ones who scream loudest about charging non-UK nationals for using the NHS are also the ones who claim the NHS is overstaffed with administrators and pen-pushers.

I guess they must think doctors and nurses have bags of spare time to produce invoices and send them out.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Health care tourism does put a strain on our NHS.No doubt after Brexit the walking dead will return from the costas in their droves.

Yes, the ones who scream loudest about charging non-UK nationals for using the NHS are also the ones who claim the NHS is overstaffed with administrators and pen-pushers.

I guess they must think doctors and nurses have bags of spare time to produce invoices and send them out.

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No can only speak for spain but you see someone at reception they take your details your e111 number NIE number or passport then allocate you to the relevant department when they discharge you,you go back to reception and sign.Its easy they then bill the uk government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy.

It will be much cheaper if they stayed away but I know of a few that returned when care was needed"
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They nearly all return when there health fails which is why I wouldn't pay a pension to anybody choosing to live abroad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Health tourism is estimated at 600 million, small change compared to the 111 billon NHS budget but then knowing how government estimate you can probably triple that figure.

Everybody should show id before getting treatment on the NHS.

It's a national service not an international one.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"It's an interesting conundrum.

Does an expat pensioner cost us more or less than a UK pensioner.

They have lower strain... But then again, they don't recycke their pension into our economy.

It will be much cheaper if they stayed away but I know of a few that returned when care was needed.

They nearly all return when there health fails which is why I wouldn't pay a pension to anybody choosing to live abroad."
Where did you pull that statistic from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Health tourism is estimated at 600 million, small change compared to the 111 billon NHS budget but then knowing how government estimate you can probably triple that figure.

Everybody should show id before getting treatment on the NHS.

It's a national service not an international one."

Does that include A&E. But harsh if youre unconscious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Health tourism is estimated at 600 million, small change compared to the 111 billon NHS budget but then knowing how government estimate you can probably triple that figure.

Everybody should show id before getting treatment on the NHS.

It's a national service not an international one.

Does that include A&E. But harsh if youre unconscious. "

They could make waiting rooms

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Health tourism is estimated at 600 million, small change compared to the 111 billon NHS budget but then knowing how government estimate you can probably triple that figure.

Everybody should show id before getting treatment on the NHS.

It's a national service not an international one.

Does that include A&E. But harsh if youre unconscious. "

A and E is always free for anyone that needs it, whether a UK citizen of someone from overseas.

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