FabSwingers.com forum: Brexit needs to be stopped at any cost.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Are the people finally waking up to see who boris really is? They are even urging people to start to demonstrate outside nr 10.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

When the 'bumbling buffoons' mask fell and he told Londoners representitives to "fuck off!" while he was being quizzed about selling off London fire stations while mayor of London people should have woken up. But his hair is a mess, he calls table tennis wif waf, he looks quite clownish, has a little Latin, went to Eaton and has a plumy voice so he must be a 'good egg'. Pity most people forget why it is they had a deep fear of clowns as a child. Nothing funny about the big violent men with faces painted in such a way you can't really see them.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?"
It is important to be able to exercise your right to demonstrate if you see something is not right such as brexit as it is not good for the countries health

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

The way i see it, the EU's deal is hotel California. The only reaction the government has is no deal.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea

What is the deadline for actually making a deal?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is the deadline for actually making a deal?

17th Oct Johnson goes to European council meeting and hopes they agree to a renegotiated deal.

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea

"What is the deadline for actually making a deal?

17th Oct Johnson goes to European council meeting and hopes they agree to a renegotiated deal."

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?"

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?It is important to be able to exercise your right to demonstrate if you see something is not right such as brexit as it is not good for the countries health

Of course everyone has that right.

Could call it the March Against Democracy or Fight Democracy or Democracy is Evil or No More Votes for People

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"What is the deadline for actually making a deal?

17th Oct Johnson goes to European council meeting and hopes they agree to a renegotiated deal."

And what new alternative solutions to the backstop is he bringing to the table to discuss? Surely you can only re-negotiate if there's something on offer. Nobody's going to buy an off-roader that got the suspension removed for a renewed round of negotiations.

Or does Boris think with his no deal threat he's putting up enough pressure for the EU to offer deal changes until the UK id happy with it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? "

Indeed we did. But I fail to see your point? Those that voted against Brexit have every right to stand up and say this is not what I voted for right up to and beyond it happening. That is their democratic right.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ? "

Again. You’re not getting my point, you’re criticising someone for saying that this isn’t what they want, that they should just accept it because that’s what the people voted for and we’re saying, well actually no, because we are also the people and we didn’t vote for this. Whether it goes ahead or not is irrelevant, but everyone has the right to disagree with something even if the “majority” voted for it.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

In the scottish courts Lord Doherty not satisfied there’s ‘cogent need’ for interim interdict but has said full hearing should be brought forward to Tuesday or Wednesday at latest next week .

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We the people voted for a tory government to deliver a deal. I don't recall anything in their manifesto which said if they can't get a deal through then it's no deal. Probablu because they assumed if they were in a place to deliver their manifesto (eg in government) then their MPs, who stood on said manifesto, would vote with them, not against.

Why is this part of democracy okay to allow to pass?

As I've said before, May's deal (or now whatever Boris brings back) is the democfatic answer and one I'd accept, even if I don't like leave, the tories, and the deal. It's not May's deal. It's the peoples deal.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

No deal is better than a bad deal

I’m sure that was said quite a few times in 2017

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship? "

Again, you’re not really getting what I am saying. The referendum should have only happened after there was a deal on the table, therefore the people would have known what they were voting for or against. I’m fully behind democracy, but I did not vote to leave because I don’t vote blindly. We need to leave, if only to prove how much worse off we are going to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of"

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of"

No, it’s really not the end of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

No, it’s really not the end of it. "

This is true. "Leave" isnt one thing. It's many different options.

We're being pushed towards the most severe version. Which was not what the leave campaign promoted. Although, seeing as they lied about everything else. It's no surprise.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? "
Yes we did, but there was no plan as the vote for a misguided nostalgia.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless."

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

No I get your point, and respectfully it’s irrelevant, should of ? Yeah maybe but we didn’t so that’s irrelevant,

The democratic vote asked stay or leave ,,, we voted leave.

I’m for democracy if people arnt then fair enough but we here live in a democracy and should onto that

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

No, it’s really not the end of it.

This is true. "Leave" isnt one thing. It's many different options.

We're being pushed towards the most severe version. Which was not what the leave campaign promoted. Although, seeing as they lied about everything else. It's no surprise."

Saw some survey results today from 2 weeks before the referendum. Only 22% of leave voters thought Brexit would be a risk to full access to the single market.

They lapped up all everything they were fed about easy deals, and having our cake and eating it.

It's just really sad.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless."

Brainwashed lol, ooooooo the left lol

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? Yes we did, but there was no plan as the vote for a misguided nostalgia."

Yes your right there wasn’t it was leave or stay ,,,,,, result was leave

Misguided nostalgia lol, come on mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful."

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

No I get your point, and respectfully it’s irrelevant, should of ? Yeah maybe but we didn’t so that’s irrelevant,

The democratic vote asked stay or leave ,,, we voted leave.

I’m for democracy if people arnt then fair enough but we here live in a democracy and should onto that "

One of the best things about democracy is the ability to change direction. If leaving the EU was actually the best thing for the UK we would have left as soon as the vote came in, but we are over 3yrs later. That says enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

No I get your point, and respectfully it’s irrelevant, should of ? Yeah maybe but we didn’t so that’s irrelevant,

The democratic vote asked stay or leave ,,, we voted leave.

I’m for democracy if people arnt then fair enough but we here live in a democracy and should onto that

While I don't think that another referendum would make any difference, just look at some of the absolute rubbish people believe.

The idea that democracy should have ended with the result of the last referendum is moronic. Democracy is on going. You can have one vote or one election and then stick with that result forever. You need continual democracy to account for changes in situation and changes in people who vote, IE, young people who reach voting age.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

Your asking an impossible question that isn’t answered by suggesting those with an opposing view to yours were brainwashed into voting for something you and others consider to be bad.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

“I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.”

Or as equally insane I think remainers are brainwashed into thinking we were brainwashed,, time to let it go no one was brainwashed silly

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

No I get your point, and respectfully it’s irrelevant, should of ? Yeah maybe but we didn’t so that’s irrelevant,

The democratic vote asked stay or leave ,,, we voted leave.

I’m for democracy if people arnt then fair enough but we here live in a democracy and should onto that

So fighting against the fair results of a democratic vote is now called democracy ??

Ok well that’s a step to fair for me sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

Your asking an impossible question that isn’t answered by suggesting those with an opposing view to yours were brainwashed into voting for something you and others consider to be bad.

I love to discuss things with people who have an opposing view. But when you get to a point when someone says "there is no evidence or information to back up my point. I just believe it and or don't know what will happen". Then there's nowhere to go.

I'm open to other ideas around why people voted for brexit against their own interests for the benefit of a rich few. It's certain that some people were brainwashed to a degree. Just look at some of the pure nonsense that people post up here. "Taking back control", "sovereignty", "better trade deals", etc etc.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

No I get your point, and respectfully it’s irrelevant, should of ? Yeah maybe but we didn’t so that’s irrelevant,

The democratic vote asked stay or leave ,,, we voted leave.

I’m for democracy if people arnt then fair enough but we here live in a democracy and should onto that

While I don't think that another referendum would make any difference, just look at some of the absolute rubbish people believe.

Ok so we should just completely ignore this fair democratic vote result and maybe have one every 3 years say ? Until the end of time ? Or till you get the result you want ?

Personally I’m looking forward to the 4th vote

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By (user no longer on site) OP
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? Yes we did, but there was no plan as the vote for a misguided nostalgia."
I forgot the was word, "the vote was for a misguided nostalgia".

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

Your asking an impossible question that isn’t answered by suggesting those with an opposing view to yours were brainwashed into voting for something you and others consider to be bad.

I agree

It’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion when either side is so totally fixated or blinkered to anything else other than their own belief .

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? Yes we did, but there was no plan as the vote for a misguided nostalgia.I forgot the was word, "the vote was for a misguided nostalgia"."

Really I must of missed that question? Where was it on the form ?

Just checked and it wasn’t on there ?

If I’m wrong I’m happy to admit so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

Your asking an impossible question that isn’t answered by suggesting those with an opposing view to yours were brainwashed into voting for something you and others consider to be bad.

I agree

It’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion when either side is so totally fixated or blinkered to anything else other than their own belief .

Indeed.

But you can see that remain has, information, facts, reasoning, logic, president, and measurable evidence.

Leave has belief.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? Yes we did, but there was no plan as the vote for a misguided nostalgia.I forgot the was word, "the vote was for a misguided nostalgia".

Really I must of missed that question? Where was it on the form ?

Just checked and it wasn’t on there ?

If I’m wrong I’m happy to admit so "
It wasnt a question on there, but that is the general feel you get as they want the big empire they once was, but it wont happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No deal is better than a bad deal

I’m sure that was said quite a few times in 2017"

That was all part of the rhetoric to get the best deal possible. Remember, being prepared to walk away is all part of great negotiation.

The Conservative government came back with a deal they saw as delivering on their manifesto and was better than no deal.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

Your asking an impossible question that isn’t answered by suggesting those with an opposing view to yours were brainwashed into voting for something you and others consider to be bad.

I agree

It’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion when either side is so totally fixated or blinkered to anything else other than their own belief .

Indeed.

But you can see that remain has, information, facts, reasoning, logic, president, and measurable evidence.

Leave has belief."

Really makes you wonder why Remain didn't win the Referendum on that premise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

No I get your point, and respectfully it’s irrelevant, should of ? Yeah maybe but we didn’t so that’s irrelevant,

The democratic vote asked stay or leave ,,, we voted leave.

I’m for democracy if people arnt then fair enough but we here live in a democracy and should onto that

So fighting against the fair results of a democratic vote is now called democracy ??

Ok well that’s a step to fair for me sorry "

Urgh there really is no point in discussing with someone who is missing the whole point of what I am trying to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We voted to leave so we do need to leave.

I do think leaving with a deal was the least harmful form of Brexit and a no deal if the most harmful but either way we still need to honour the referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

Your asking an impossible question that isn’t answered by suggesting those with an opposing view to yours were brainwashed into voting for something you and others consider to be bad.

I agree

It’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion when either side is so totally fixated or blinkered to anything else other than their own belief .

Indeed.

But you can see that remain has, information, facts, reasoning, logic, president, and measurable evidence.

Leave has belief.

Really makes you wonder why Remain didn't win the Referendum on that premise.

That's what we're talking about.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? Yes we did, but there was no plan as the vote for a misguided nostalgia.I forgot the was word, "the vote was for a misguided nostalgia".

Really I must of missed that question? Where was it on the form ?

Just checked and it wasn’t on there ?

If I’m wrong I’m happy to admit so It wasnt a question on there, but that is the general feel you get as they want the big empire they once was, but it wont happen."

Ooooooooo so your just simply guessing what the 17,000,000 odd were voting on. Pure guess work ok now I understand you

I think that the 17,000,000 odd were voting on the idea of a super underground space station that has pizze growing trees being based somewhere near Rhyl ,,, but I’m only guessing also mind the same as you.

Of course yours and my idea is completely silly

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

No I get your point, and respectfully it’s irrelevant, should of ? Yeah maybe but we didn’t so that’s irrelevant,

The democratic vote asked stay or leave ,,, we voted leave.

I’m for democracy if people arnt then fair enough but we here live in a democracy and should onto that

So fighting against the fair results of a democratic vote is now called democracy ??

Ok well that’s a step to fair for me sorry

Urgh there really is no point in discussing with someone who is missing the whole point of what I am trying to say. "

Ok but arnt you saying we should ignore the democratic vote ?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"No deal is better than a bad deal

I’m sure that was said quite a few times in 2017

That was all part of the rhetoric to get the best deal possible. Remember, being prepared to walk away is all part of great negotiation.

The Conservative government came back with a deal they saw as delivering on their manifesto and was better than no deal. "

We end up going round in circles.... our MPs on all sides didn’t like the deal ....

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"We voted to leave so we do need to leave.

I do think leaving with a deal was the least harmful form of Brexit and a no deal if the most harmful but either way we still need to honour the referendum. "

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.

1 person - 1 vote

Everyone has the right to do what they want with that vote.

Remain voters brainwashed by the pro-euro rich and powerful just as much as leave voters brainwashed by euro-sceptic rich and powerful.

Everyone has the right to vote for what they want. Yes indeed. Then why did so many people vote for something that benefits a few at their own expense.

I'm suggesting that democracy is an illusion, when people vote whatever way they're told to.

Completely wrong there on remainers being braniwashed, what a silly thing to say. Remainers are well aware of the imperfections in the EU.

Your asking an impossible question that isn’t answered by suggesting those with an opposing view to yours were brainwashed into voting for something you and others consider to be bad.

I agree

It’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion when either side is so totally fixated or blinkered to anything else other than their own belief .

Indeed.

But you can see that remain has, information, facts, reasoning, logic, president, and measurable evidence.

Leave has belief.

Really makes you wonder why Remain didn't win the Referendum on that premise.

That's what we're talking about.

Lol no your not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No deal is better than a bad deal

I’m sure that was said quite a few times in 2017

That was all part of the rhetoric to get the best deal possible. Remember, being prepared to walk away is all part of great negotiation.

The Conservative government came back with a deal they saw as delivering on their manifesto and was better than no deal.

We end up going round in circles.... our MPs on all sides didn’t like the deal .... "

No one liked the deal. But we knew that would be the case.

Remainer MPs didn't like it because it wasn't anywhere close to the deal we get as a member of the EU.

And leaver MPs didn't like it because they'd have to pay their taxes, and wouldn't be able to remove all the rights and protections provided by the EU.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My gut feeling is that Boris's Gamble is that a vote of no confidence could indeed come about which he may or may not win. If he doesn't win it then he can call a general election and pin remain tail firmly on Jezza's backside and hoover up the 40% of people that want us to leave the EU which in our FPP electoral system could be a landslide. Jezza knows that and is falling into the trap, hook line and sinker.

If he he proves opposition to be a paper tiger then he wins that way too. Whichever way it goes he stands to win big time. Something of a master stroke me thinks. Of course it could all go very wrong with some X unknown factor but he thinks he has it all under control right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No deal is better than a bad deal

I’m sure that was said quite a few times in 2017

That was all part of the rhetoric to get the best deal possible. Remember, being prepared to walk away is all part of great negotiation.

The Conservative government came back with a deal they saw as delivering on their manifesto and was better than no deal.

We end up going round in circles.... our MPs on all sides didn’t like the deal .... "

And MPs don't like no deal.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any statement here.

I'm just making sure the same yard stick is used regardless of the result it produces.

We should respect the will of the people and what they voted for. MPs should just be conduits to deliver this. Fine, its May's deal.

MPs provide a role in adding scrutiny and can vote against something they see as bad even if their party leaders think its good and it delivers on promises made. Fine, then preventing a vote on no deal is undemocratic as its removing our voice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My gut feeling is that Boris's Gamble is that a vote of no confidence could indeed come about which he may or may not win. If he doesn't win it then he can call a general election and pin remain tail firmly on Jezza's backside and hoover up the 40% of people that want us to leave the EU which in our FPP electoral system could be a landslide. Jezza knows that and is falling into the trap, hook line and sinker.

p.s. I suspect the Brexit elephant in the room will soon squash his Cunning plan and send him Doolally just like his predecessor.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"No deal is better than a bad deal

I’m sure that was said quite a few times in 2017

That was all part of the rhetoric to get the best deal possible. Remember, being prepared to walk away is all part of great negotiation.

The Conservative government came back with a deal they saw as delivering on their manifesto and was better than no deal.

We end up going round in circles.... our MPs on all sides didn’t like the deal ....

And MPs don't like no deal.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any statement here.

I'm just making sure the same yard stick is used regardless of the result it produces.

We should respect the will of the people and what they voted for. MPs should just be conduits to deliver this. Fine, its May's deal.

Yes, and while the MPs may not like a no deal scenario, it was always a possibility ...

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Really funny watching the antics in the uk .Corbyn wouldn't agree to anything Theresa May came up with ...now he is going to be the Brexit saviour......like watching an episode of YES Minister lol

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Yes, and while the MPs may not like a no deal scenario, it was always a possibility ...

Was it? Not according to de Pfeffel or any of the other brexit cheerleaders in 2016, in fact they all said any such claim was project fear.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"No deal is better than a bad deal

I’m sure that was said quite a few times in 2017

That was all part of the rhetoric to get the best deal possible. Remember, being prepared to walk away is all part of great negotiation.

The Conservative government came back with a deal they saw as delivering on their manifesto and was better than no deal.

We end up going round in circles.... our MPs on all sides didn’t like the deal ....

No one liked the deal. But we knew that would be the case.

Remainer MPs didn't like it because it wasn't anywhere close to the deal we get as a member of the EU.

And leaver MPs didn't like it because they'd have to pay their taxes, and wouldn't be able to remove all the rights and protections provided by the EU."

There you go again, what rights and protections have the government proposed to remove? you keep peddling that lie but it wont become true just because you keep saying it

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

There you go again, what rights and protections have the government proposed to remove? you keep peddling that lie but it wont become true just because you keep saying it "

Bless your naive little heart.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless."
Brainwashed how do you work that out?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.Brainwashed how do you work that out?"

Don’t, he probably thinks the world is flat also mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? Yes we did, but there was no plan as the vote for a misguided nostalgia.I forgot the was word, "the vote was for a misguided nostalgia".

Really I must of missed that question? Where was it on the form ?

Just checked and it wasn’t on there ?

If I’m wrong I’m happy to admit so It wasnt a question on there, but that is the general feel you get as they want the big empire they once was, but it wont happen.

Ooooooooo so your just simply guessing what the 17,000,000 odd were voting on. Pure guess work ok now I understand you

Of course yours and my idea is completely silly "

I agree. I don't know what people had in their head when they voted. No one knows for sure...

And if you said they weren't voting for a specific type of brexit but any and every type, I'd have sympathy...

But when lead Brexiteers say May's deal is not brexit, when it clearly is (test: are we part of the EU. No) then I start to doubt people really did vote for any and every flavour but had their own idea of what acceptable and unacceptable is.

And as soon as you add in this uncertainty, I start to think what harm is their in double checking that they are happy with this specific flavour.

If all 17m agree with you, you win. If they don't, and they were voting on the promise of a deal, should we hold them to account when those campaigning don't seem to accept a version of Brexit they don't see as being Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No deal is better than a bad deal

I’m sure that was said quite a few times in 2017

That was all part of the rhetoric to get the best deal possible. Remember, being prepared to walk away is all part of great negotiation.

The Conservative government came back with a deal they saw as delivering on their manifesto and was better than no deal.

We end up going round in circles.... our MPs on all sides didn’t like the deal ....

No one liked the deal. But we knew that would be the case.

Remainer MPs didn't like it because it wasn't anywhere close to the deal we get as a member of the EU.

And leaver MPs didn't like it because they'd have to pay their taxes, and wouldn't be able to remove all the rights and protections provided by the EU.

There you go again, what rights and protections have the government proposed to remove? you keep peddling that lie but it wont become true just because you keep saying it "

I've answered this in detail for you. Given you examples and some suggested reading.

It's your choice to ignore information about what's going on. I don't know why you're having a pop at me over your choice to not read up anything about brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.Brainwashed how do you work that out?"

Okay then how else were people corralled in to voting for brexit.

I'm open to suggestions. As it's genuinely interesting.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ? Yes we did, but there was no plan as the vote for a misguided nostalgia.I forgot the was word, "the vote was for a misguided nostalgia".

Really I must of missed that question? Where was it on the form ?

Just checked and it wasn’t on there ?

If I’m wrong I’m happy to admit so It wasnt a question on there, but that is the general feel you get as they want the big empire they once was, but it wont happen.

Ooooooooo so your just simply guessing what the 17,000,000 odd were voting on. Pure guess work ok now I understand you

Of course yours and my idea is completely silly

I agree. I don't know what people had in their head when they voted. No one knows for sure...

And if you said they weren't voting for a specific type of brexit but any and every type, I'd have sympathy...

And as soon as you add in this uncertainty, I start to think what harm is their in double checking that they are happy with this specific flavour.

Yep, can’t say what reason everyone else voted to leave was but saying 17M odd voting because of misguided nostalgia is insane

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not disagreeing. I don't deal in absolutes. Ever.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Any cost?

Any?

Really?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.Brainwashed how do you work that out?

Okay then how else were people corralled in to voting for brexit.

I'm open to suggestions. As it's genuinely interesting."
personally i have always hated all those in brussels lording it over us with their own cozy little tax system bloody great expense accounts and bloody great pensions.Its a nice lttle club for ex mps to take the general public for more of a ride.Kinnock and his wife are a nice example,fucked it up in the uk so head over to brussels and gets another 10 million out of us mugs.So when people say i dont know what i voted for i do, not to pay those piss taking bastards any more so no deal or a deal achieves what i voted for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.Brainwashed how do you work that out?

Okay then how else were people corralled in to voting for brexit.

I'm open to suggestions. As it's genuinely interesting.personally i have always hated all those in brussels lording it over us with their own cozy little tax system bloody great expense accounts and bloody great pensions.Its a nice lttle club for ex mps to take the general public for more of a ride.Kinnock and his wife are a nice example,fucked it up in the uk so head over to brussels and gets another 10 million out of us mugs.So when people say i dont know what i voted for i do, not to pay those piss taking bastards any more so no deal or a deal achieves what i voted for."

So you vote the poorest section of British society deeper into austerity, and bring down all the vast array negatives of brexit. Just to spite some people who this will make no difference to.

At least it's a reason. I haven't seen anyone else suggesting this, as part of their thinking on brexit, so it's hard to know if it was in anyone else's agenda. Or if they have just swallowed all the bullshit from Farage, The Daily Mail etc.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless.Brainwashed how do you work that out?

Okay then how else were people corralled in to voting for brexit.

So you vote the poorest section of British society deeper into austerity, and bring down all the vast array negatives of brexit. Just to spite some people who this will make no difference to.

"
You asked why i have told you my reason so not "brainwashed" i have held that view for many years and there was absolutely nothing that could be done about it until the referendum.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Any cost?

Any?

Really? "

I have had one or two people say that to me. When I then ask if they include the cost being their and their families deaths they quickly claim that is not what they meant. I follow with so how about if it causes a civil war? To that they generally reply something along the lines of 'if that's the cost, that's the cost'. When I then point out that what they are saying is: At any cost provided they don't have to pay it they go very quiet. I doubt I have changed any of their beliefs, but maybe some of those who have been listening to the discussion have started to see things in a different light.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Any cost?

Any?

Really?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any cost?

Any?

Really?

The four horsemen of the brexit apocalypse have assembled .

Farage Gove Boris and Cummings .

It’s End Game time.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

i really hope its teaching an end im bored of it all now.surley there is other stuff going on to talk about

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"ffs you've been spouting this shit for yrs family deaths civil war what next the plague lol"

You will continue to refuse to consider that anything bad will happen, and that's been my point for years. 3 years ago every politician and opinion maker who backed leave said no deal was unthinkable and would never happen, now it is the most likely outcome. 2 1/2 years ago it was the easiest deal in the world and we would have at least 40 FTA's in place ready to be signed as soon as we left the EU. Now there are none. 18 months ago any talk of pharmaceutical shortages were scaremongering on the part bitter remainers. Now, well there are going to be some bumps in the road. 2 months ago the thought of proroguing parliament to force brexit through against its wishes was unthinkable. That's just happened!

Do you see a pattern? Maybe you see a pattern in your denial over the last 3 years, or probably not, after all you're of the type that would say 'we must have brexit at any cost', but I am sure you will deny that like you have denied everything else I have said.

But don't worry I'm no one and what I say has no value so you can keep ignoring everything I say and the leaders of your brexit cause do that belies their words.

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over a year ago

I can understand people's anger at the wages & expenses that go on within the European Union but that includes the UK lot too and we've not been unknown for high expenses and scandals here in the UK too but as ever there's good with the bad but it seems that leavers only have fixation on the bad points of being a member and not taking into account any of the many positives it gives us.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"ffs you've been spouting this shit for yrs family deaths civil war what next the plague lol

But don't worry I'm no one and what I say has no value so you can keep ignoring everything I say and the leaders of your brexit cause do that belies their words."

Bla bla bla, hurry up brexit

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"ffs you've been spouting this shit for yrs family deaths civil war what next the plague lol

But don't worry I'm no one and what I say has no value so you can keep ignoring everything I say and the leaders of your brexit cause do that belies their words."
but what of the family deaths and civil war tho yr words not mine can u see yr pattern for last 3trs a tad over the top don't you think

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"but what of the family deaths and civil war tho yr words not mine can u see yr pattern for last 3trs a tad over the top don't you think "

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"but what of the family deaths and civil war tho yr words not mine can u see yr pattern for last 3trs a tad over the top don't you think

You and I will clearly never agree on this subject so I will leave you with just one little morsel to chew over. If it is all going to be so rosy why has the government had 30,000 police officers trained up for counter insurgency operations in NI that's the number of military that were deployed to NI during the troubles)? And what do you think is going to happen to crime rates in the rest of the country if 30,000 police are removed from mainland policing?"
Do you know many people from ireland? i have a couple of friends over there who i speak to regularly and it seems nobody wants a return to the violence well normal people you will always have a small number who do but thats been going on while in the eu.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Do you know many people from ireland?"

All my family, I went to school there. Is that enough for you?

"i have a couple of friends over there who i speak to regularly and it seems nobody wants a return to the violence well normal people you will always have a small number who do but thats been going on while in the eu."

Do you have any idea how many active insurgents there were in NI at the height of the troubles? I have, I served there.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Do you know many people from ireland?

All my family, I went to school there. Is that enough for you?

i have a couple of friends over there who i speak to regularly and it seems nobody wants a return to the violence well normal people you will always have a small number who do but thats been going on while in the eu.

Do you have any idea how many active insurgents there were in NI at the height of the troubles? I have, I served there.

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Im not disputing that so are your family telling you that lots of people are going to return to violence as soon as a no deal is delivered? because thats not what my friends are hearing but willing to be corrected because i dont live there.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Im not disputing that so are your family telling you that lots of people are going to return to violence as soon as a no deal is delivered? because thats not what my friends are hearing but willing to be corrected because i dont live there."

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Im not disputing that so are your family telling you that lots of people are going to return to violence as soon as a no deal is delivered? because thats not what my friends are hearing but willing to be corrected because i dont live there.

Try this on for size. In the late 70's early 80's at the height of the troubles there were somewhere in the region of 2000 active insurgents (on both sides of the sectarian divide) in NI. It does not take many (on the insurgent side) to fight an asymmetric war, but it took us 30,000 trained troops to keep a lid on it. "
Im not disputing any of that and never had all i am asking is are your family and friends over there hearing that people want to return to violence because of brexit?Its a simple question i dont need a history lesson about what went on in the past i missed a few bombs in london myself so know.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"Im not disputing that so are your family telling you that lots of people are going to return to violence as soon as a no deal is delivered? because thats not what my friends are hearing but willing to be corrected because i dont live there.

So much for “I will leave you with just one little morsel” bla bla bla

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

" Im not disputing any of that and never had all i am asking is are your family and friends over there hearing that people want to return to violence because of brexit?Its a simple question i dont need a history lesson about what went on in the past i missed a few bombs in london myself so know."

Of course they don't. But the point is it is not what the vast majority want that determines what happens. It is what the most radical and extreme want will decide the fate of the NI peace process once de pfeffel drives his brexit coach and horses through the GFA.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

God still going ? Bloody hell your more resilient than the nazis,,,,, O hang on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im not disputing that so are your family telling you that lots of people are going to return to violence as soon as a no deal is delivered? because thats not what my friends are hearing but willing to be corrected because i dont live there.

Try this on for size. In the late 70's early 80's at the height of the troubles there were somewhere in the region of 2000 active insurgents (on both sides of the sectarian divide) in NI. It does not take many (on the insurgent side) to fight an asymmetric war, but it took us 30,000 trained troops to keep a lid on it. Im not disputing any of that and never had all i am asking is are your family and friends over there hearing that people want to return to violence because of brexit?Its a simple question i dont need a history lesson about what went on in the past i missed a few bombs in london myself so know."

There's only ever been a minority of people who wanted violence on either side in NI. But it's very possible for those minorities to get back to the old ways.

Most of those organisations are dormant rather than gone.

I'm not saying I agree with the pundits who predict that there will be a return to violence if a hard border is reinstated. But I would agree that some will use it as an opportunity to try.

If the UK breaks the terms of the GFA in any way. There will be consequences from the UN. I tried to find out what they might be. But it's very hard as the information on that doesn't seem to be readily available.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

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But the most radical and extreme have been doing it while we are in the eu they haven't needed brexit as an excuse so i dont see where all the extra violence is coming from once we leave.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"Im not disputing that so are your family telling you that lots of people are going to return to violence as soon as a no deal is delivered? because thats not what my friends are hearing but willing to be corrected because i dont live there.

Try this on for size. In the late 70's early 80's at the height of the troubles there were somewhere in the region of 2000 active insurgents (on both sides of the sectarian divide) in NI. It does not take many (on the insurgent side) to fight an asymmetric war, but it took us 30,000 trained troops to keep a lid on it. Im not disputing any of that and never had all i am asking is are your family and friends over there hearing that people want to return to violence because of brexit?Its a simple question i dont need a history lesson about what went on in the past i missed a few bombs in london myself so know.

There's only ever been a minority of people who wanted violence on either side in NI. But it's very possible for those minorities to get back to the old ways.

Most of those organisations are dormant rather than gone.

I'm not saying I agree with the pundits who predict that there will be a return to violence if a hard border is reinstated. But I would agree that some will use it as an opportunity to try.

Why don’t you make it up like usual?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But the most radical and extreme have been doing it while we are in the eu they haven't needed brexit as an excuse so i dont see where all the extra violence is coming from once we leave."

I'm not saying it will happen.

Just that some will likely try to use it as an excuse.

The cease fire was extremely complex. For example, the main republican organisation took steps to enforce the peace with some of the other factions. The other factions are of various levels of extreme. It's a balance.

Just because you don't see it. Doesn't mean that it's not a possibility.

People with a lot more knowledge of the fragility of the situation and you or I are very concerned.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

" Just because you don't see it. Doesn't mean that it's not a possibility. "

Wow

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

" Just because you don't see it. Doesn't mean that it's not a possibility.

Wow

Bingo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Just because you don't see it. Doesn't mean that it's not a possibility.

Wow

What's wrong that that sentence?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

" Just because you don't see it. Doesn't mean that it's not a possibility.

Wow

Bingo"

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

" Just because you don't see it. Doesn't mean that it's not a possibility.

Wow

What's wrong that that sentence?"

Like saying Cardiff City will win the premier league or Shirley Bassey will be the first person on mars or culture club will have this years Christmas number one. Just because you don’t see it dosent mean it’s not possible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Just because you don't see it. Doesn't mean that it's not a possibility.

Wow

What's wrong that that sentence?

Few years ago people would have said that abiut Leicester City.

When killing in the name was released, what odds that it would be an Xmas number 1.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

And while you all were telling me how wrong I was Orange Order unionists and Union flag waving BNP thugs were rioting and attacking a peaceful demonstration for Irish unity in Glasgow.

Now what is it you were all saying about how everything I have been saying is just hogwash? Any of you feel the need to acknowledge that maybe the possibility of serious violence is very real?

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"And while you all were telling me how wrong I was Orange Order unionists and Union flag waving BNP thugs were rioting and attacking a peaceful demonstration for Irish unity in Glasgow.

Now what is it you were all saying about how everything I have been saying is just hogwash? Any of you feel the need to acknowledge that maybe the possibility of serious violence is very real?"

up ya bollox mate it was a buch if fucjing idiots from rangers avin a go at a bunch of fucking idiots from celtic there is an old firm game on.just an excuse for one lot to wind anorher lot up.what the fuck has irish reunification got to do with a bunch of jocks.just a bunch of plastic republicans and plastic unionists who use somethi.g that is no buissness of there to knock lumps out of each other.if anyone should be marching for reunification it should be ppl in ireland not peeps from a seperate country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leave now no deal and save the money for hospitals schools an housing. An ffs get rid of the backstop

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

".what the fuck has irish reunification got to do with a bunch of jocks.j"

From that statement, your knowledge of Scotland is shown to be as inept as your knowledge of Ireland.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"And while you all were telling me how wrong I was Orange Order unionists and Union flag waving BNP thugs were rioting and attacking a peaceful demonstration for Irish unity in Glasgow.

Now what is it you were all saying about how everything I have been saying is just hogwash? Any of you feel the need to acknowledge that maybe the possibility of serious violence is very real?"

Case closed Columbo

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

" Just because you don't see it. Doesn't mean that it's not a possibility.

Wow

What's wrong that that sentence?

Few years ago people would have said that abiut Leicester City.

When killing in the name was released, what odds that it would be an Xmas number 1.

I will give you the LCFC one but RATM wasn’t a surprise lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leave now no deal and save the money for hospitals schools an housing. An ffs get rid of the backstop "

Do people still believe bullshit like this, or is this a joke?

When you say "save money". Are you aware that the government is currently wasting 600-800 million a week on Brexit. Which could have been spent on schools, NHS, or housing.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Leave now no deal and save the money for hospitals schools an housing. An ffs get rid of the backstop

Do people still believe bullshit like this, or is this a joke?

When you say "save money". Are you aware that the government is currently wasting 600-800 million a week on Brexit. Which could have been spent on schools, NHS, or housing. "

Let’s get on with it then

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Do people still believe bullshit like this, or is this a joke?

Yes. They saw it on the side of a bus, so it must be true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leave now no deal and save the money for hospitals schools an housing. An ffs get rid of the backstop

Do people still believe bullshit like this, or is this a joke?

When you say "save money". Are you aware that the government is currently wasting 600-800 million a week on Brexit. Which could have been spent on schools, NHS, or housing.

Let’s get on with it then "

Let's get on with what? Making the country poorer faster.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do people still believe bullshit like this, or is this a joke?

Yes. They saw it on the side of a bus, so it must be true.

This is why we should never have had a referendum in the first place and why there shouldn't be another one.

Some people will vote for whatever they're told to vote for.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Leave now no deal and save the money for hospitals schools an housing. An ffs get rid of the backstop

Do people still believe bullshit like this, or is this a joke?

When you say "save money". Are you aware that the government is currently wasting 600-800 million a week on Brexit. Which could have been spent on schools, NHS, or housing.

Let’s get on with it then "

The money being spent is largely on mitigating the effects of no deal.

'Getting on with it' doesn't make that go away.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

Do people still believe bullshit like this, or is this a joke?

Yes. They saw it on the side of a bus, so it must be true.

This is why we should never have had a referendum in the first place and why there shouldn't be another one.

Some people will vote for whatever they're told to vote for."

You seem upset, is everything ok ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The strongest pro leave arguments seem to be.

1. It doesn't matter that people voted leave based on complete lies and misinformation. Suggest that remainers are anti-democratic. Yet completely cool with those who perverted and cheapened democracy with those deliberate lies and misinformation.

2. If you believe hard enough, it might not be as bad as the very worst forecasts and if we trust the Tories, they might not reduce or remove all the EU safety standards, workers rights etc.

Any potential positives to Brexit...... Silence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The greater the damage Brexit does the quicker the penny drops it’s an ideological cul dec sac.

Viva la Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The strongest pro leave arguments seem to be.

2. If you believe hard enough, it might not be as bad as the very worst forecasts and if we trust the Tories, they might not reduce or remove all the EU safety standards, workers rights etc.

Any potential positives to Brexit...... Silence."

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The strongest pro leave arguments seem to be.

2. If you believe hard enough, it might not be as bad as the very worst forecasts and if we trust the Tories, they might not reduce or remove all the EU safety standards, workers rights etc.

Any potential positives to Brexit...... Silence."

3. If we don't leave, we risk a corbyn government.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"The strongest pro leave arguments seem to be.

2. If you believe hard enough, it might not be as bad as the very worst forecasts and if we trust the Tories, they might not reduce or remove all the EU safety standards, workers rights etc.

Any potential positives to Brexit...... Silence."

Of course the result of the vote is important .

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By *rRuhbarbMan
over a year ago

London

People do realise that whatever the kind of exit, soft, hard, call it what you want, it marks the beginning of the real, hard trade negotiations!

If you want this to be over, admit in your heart it’s a shit show, revoke article 50, support a People’s Council and inquiry on the issue and let’s move on

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Oh look forward to that then ...the man is deranged at best

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Johnson and his followers are eager to talk about a "global Britain" vision that will trade freely with the whole world, but in fact they are putting the country on a bumpy path of broken trade relations and new, serious trade barriers.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Do people still believe bullshit like this, or is this a joke?

Yes. They saw it on the side of a bus, so it must be true.

This is why we should never have had a referendum in the first place and why there shouldn't be another one.

Some people will vote for whatever they're told to vote for."
so if you believe we shouldn't have another one you must believe we should leave then I'm with you on that mate

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"Johnson and his followers are eager to talk about a "global Britain" vision that will trade freely with the whole world, but in fact they are putting the country on a bumpy path of broken trade relations and new, serious trade barriers."

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow

Wow congratulations. very clever but somehow that doesn't surprise me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow "

So you don't believe Brexit is going to put up barriers to the UK's ability to trade?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship? "

Except that, according to the Electoral Commission, the referendum was not run in a free, fair and democratic way. So "no" we have not had a truly democratic vote on whether we should Leave or Remain.

As to your question of on democracy. My preference is always in favour of Representative democracy by a sovereign parliament and not for majoritarian plebiscites or referendum which, as Attlee, Churchill and Thatcher often said, are the tool populists demagogues and dictators.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

"
agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"We voted to leave so we do need to leave.

I do think leaving with a deal was the least harmful form of Brexit and a no deal if the most harmful but either way we still need to honour the referendum. "

We only need to honour the result of the referendum if we believe the referendum was conducted in a fair and democratic way. As the Electrical Commission has already said it wasn't then the referendum and the result can not be truly considered a reflection of the true will of the people or as an exercise of true democracy.

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over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol"

The government are obligated to produce this material.

If you're pissed off by 9 million of tax payers money going on this. You must be fucking raging at the 600-800 million of tax payers money a week being wasted on Brexit.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol

The government are obligated to produce this material.

If you're pissed off by 9 million of tax payers money going on this. You must be fucking raging at the 600-800 million of tax payers money a week being wasted on Brexit."
yes I am the sooner we get out we won't have a Brexit to waste money on you don't want another vote so you must want us to get out asap then ?

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over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol

The government are obligated to produce this material.

If you're pissed off by 9 million of tax payers money going on this. You must be fucking raging at the 600-800 million of tax payers money a week being wasted on Brexit. yes I am the sooner we get out we won't have a Brexit to waste money on you don't want another vote so you must want us to get out asap then ? "

When we're out, that's the start of Brexit for real, and what we are wasting now will look like peanuts. Do you think that there is some kind is positive from Brexit? We should try to keep the conversation vaguely within the realm of reality.

How do you draw a line from me not supporting another referendum on brexit to wanting brexit asap? You do know I'm against ruining the country for the benefit of a rich few? I voted remain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it me, or has the politics forum returned to ad homs and personal bickering?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol

The government are obligated to produce this material.

How do you draw a line from me not supporting another referendum on brexit to wanting brexit asap? You do know I'm against ruining the country for the benefit of a rich few? I voted remain."

Congratulations you lost

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over a year ago

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow

So you don't believe Brexit is going to put up barriers to the UK's ability to trade?

Awww bless you trying to chat with the adults

Look at me mummy "

So far your posts look like they were written by a child. They bring nothing wise. Are you trying to be funny and sarcastic or just don't have anything interesting to say. I bet on the third option, which is normal for brexiters.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow

So you don't believe Brexit is going to put up barriers to the UK's ability to trade?

Awww bless you trying to chat with the adults

Look at me mummy

To be fair I make silly comments when posters talk rubbish and try to pass things off as fact, so that’s probably why you only see the silly comments after your comments, always happy to debate and do constantly on here but not with silly people who think they know it all

Hope that clears it up

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol

The government are obligated to produce this material.

How do you draw a line from me not supporting another referendum on brexit to wanting brexit asap? You do know I'm against ruining the country for the benefit of a rich few? I voted remain."
I though it wa you who said we shouldn't of ad a referendum and you don't think we should have another ? It may of been another poster

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over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol

The government are obligated to produce this material.

How do you draw a line from me not supporting another referendum on brexit to wanting brexit asap? You do know I'm against ruining the country for the benefit of a rich few? I voted remain. I though it wa you who said we shouldn't of ad a referendum and you don't think we should have another ? It may of been another poster"

I did say that.

But I don't see how you would assume that I want to leave the EU at all, never mind asap.

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over a year ago

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow

So you don't believe Brexit is going to put up barriers to the UK's ability to trade?

Awww bless you trying to chat with the adults

Look at me mummy

Hope that clears it up "

It works both ways.

If you had any knowledge about this commotion you would know what no deal mean for UK, and all this Brexshit. But you just ignore the facts. Not only you.

Hope that clears it up

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow

So you don't believe Brexit is going to put up barriers to the UK's ability to trade?

Awww bless you trying to chat with the adults

Look at me mummy

Hope that clears it up

It works both ways.

If you had any knowledge about this commotion you would know what no deal mean for UK, and all this Brexshit. But you just ignore the facts. Not only you.

Hope that clears it up "
Do you know what no deal means for the uk? really know or are you just influenced by what you read and are told.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol

The government are obligated to produce this material.

How do you draw a line from me not supporting another referendum on brexit to wanting brexit asap? You do know I'm against ruining the country for the benefit of a rich few? I voted remain. I though it wa you who said we shouldn't of ad a referendum and you don't think we should have another ? It may of been another poster

I did say that.

But I don't see how you would assume that I want to leave the EU at all, never mind asap."
so the vote was to leave and you don't want another vote so what do you want I don't get ya mate lol

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over a year ago

"We should put up a meet in the meets and events section so we can all meet up outside number 10 and demonstrate against boris and what the UK voted for

Who’s going ? How dare the people vote to leave and be aloud to actually leave, no no no

We need to fight democracy and go against the people so are you in ?

Or will you just moan on here and actually do nothing ?

‘Fight democracy’?? The whole point of democracy is that you can stand up for something if you don’t believe in it.

Didn’t we have a democratic vote ?

Why was there a vote for then ?

Wasn’t the vote, stay or leave ?

Hey there is no criticism here, everyone has a right to an opinion or to demonstrate etc

Ok just to understand, we had a democratic vote and the result was to leave. Full stop

And people are against it ,,, ok

So if democracy is not for you or the other remainers , what world would you prefer instead of democracy? Dictatorship?

agree with you there it wasn't fair at all Cameron spent 9 million of tax payers money on a leaflet to convince us to vote remain bloody cheek lol

The government are obligated to produce this material.

How do you draw a line from me not supporting another referendum on brexit to wanting brexit asap? You do know I'm against ruining the country for the benefit of a rich few? I voted remain. I though it wa you who said we shouldn't of ad a referendum and you don't think we should have another ? It may of been another poster

I did say that.

But I don't see how you would assume that I want to leave the EU at all, never mind asap.so the vote was to leave and you don't want another vote so what do you want I don't get ya mate lol"

I don't know what there is to not get.

There should never have been a vote in the first place. It was only because Cameron was scared of losing votes to ukip. It's too import, and people aren't educated enough about the EU. one of the options was complete bullshit, only benefits the rich few at the detriment of everyone else. With literally no upside.

There shouldn't be another referendum because people will vote for the same bullshit again. Just look at what people who post on here.

Belief seems to have equal weighting to fact, ok information and reasoning.

We knew brexit would be a disaster. It is proving to be as disaster. People will vote for it again.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Ffs so what is the point of yr moaning then I can understand if you wanted a second vote but to post hundreds of posts day after day telling ppl they didn't know what they voted for we arnt educated enough yet you don't wanted a second vote that's what I don't get there's just no point to it what are you getting out of it is it like a rant were your letting of steam ? lol

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over a year ago

"Ffs so what is the point of yr moaning then I can understand if you wanted a second vote but to post hundreds of posts day after day telling ppl they didn't know what they voted for we arnt educated enough yet you don't wanted a second vote that's what I don't get there's just no point to it what are you getting out of it is it like a rant were your letting of steam ? lol"

Wow you got so angry you couldn't type.

I genuinely don't know what it is that you don't know.

Seems pretty straight forward.

Brexit is a massive bag of shit.

Another vote is a waste of time as it's unlikely to change anything.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

Wow an actual trade minister on fab , wow

So you don't believe Brexit is going to put up barriers to the UK's ability to trade?

Awww bless you trying to chat with the adults

Look at me mummy

Hope that clears it up

It works both ways.

If you had any knowledge about this commotion you would know what no deal mean for UK, and all this Brexshit. But you just ignore the facts. Not only you.

Hope that clears it up "

O right sorry again, wow you know exactly every single aspect of a no deal brexit and what it means as well as being able to see into the future also.

My apologies I had no idea I was speaking to someone who is so high up in our current government

Or maybe just maybe your another lefty who takes her info from fb and what her mates workmates milkman said once

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

Wow you got so angry you couldn't type.

I genuinely don't know what it is that you don't know.

Seems pretty straight forward.

Brexit is a massive bag of shit.

Another vote is a waste of time as it's unlikely to change anything."

But why keep churning out the same opinionated BS every single day when no one listens and your not making a difference not one single little bit,,,, what was that definition of insanity again ???

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over a year ago

Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?

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over a year ago

I suppose if i was going to lose my job because some deluded people voted to turn the clock back to a UK that never actually existed, i would be a tad annoyed as well

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?"
Probably not.Jo swinson has already confessed to that.

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over a year ago

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?"

If leave won again would brexit somehow magically have any benefits for the UK? Or would it still be exclusively a massive bag of shit?

Would the leave campaign be a complete bag of lies again?

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over a year ago

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?

If leave won again would brexit somehow magically have any benefits for the UK? Or would it still be exclusively a massive bag of shit?

Would the leave campaign be a complete bag of lies again?

Ah, answering a question with another question or in this case, three questions. Well done

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?

If leave won again would brexit somehow magically have any benefits for the UK? Or would it still be exclusively a massive bag of shit?

Would the leave campaign be a complete bag of lies again?

Yawn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?

If leave won again would brexit somehow magically have any benefits for the UK? Or would it still be exclusively a massive bag of shit?

Would the leave campaign be a complete bag of lies again?

Ah, answering a question with another question or in this case, three questions. Well done

If the answer to those was yes. Then we would still fight for what's right, and we'd still dissent. And we would still be put down as "moaners" by people who don't have any argument to bring to the table.

If there was some measurable benefit to brexit, if the campaign wasn't full of lies. Then sure. There wouldn't be as much vocal opposition.

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over a year ago

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?"

You're funny

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over a year ago

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?

If leave won again would brexit somehow magically have any benefits for the UK? Or would it still be exclusively a massive bag of shit?

Would the leave campaign be a complete bag of lies again?

Ah, answering a question with another question or in this case, three questions. Well done

If there was some measurable benefit to brexit, if the campaign wasn't full of lies. Then sure. There wouldn't be as much vocal opposition. "

You really do live a life full of angst.

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over a year ago

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?

If leave won again would brexit somehow magically have any benefits for the UK? Or would it still be exclusively a massive bag of shit?

Would the leave campaign be a complete bag of lies again?

Ah, answering a question with another question or in this case, three questions. Well done

If there was some measurable benefit to brexit, if the campaign wasn't full of lies. Then sure. There wouldn't be as much vocal opposition.

You really do live a life full of angst.

Is by angst, you mean I have a grasp of reality. Then sure.

My main issue is that if people wanted to vote themselves into poverty. Then fine. Knock yourselves out. The problem is that we will all suffer.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?

If leave won again would brexit somehow magically have any benefits for the UK? Or would it still be exclusively a massive bag of shit?

Would the leave campaign be a complete bag of lies again?

Ah, answering a question with another question or in this case, three questions. Well done

If there was some measurable benefit to brexit, if the campaign wasn't full of lies. Then sure. There wouldn't be as much vocal opposition.

You really do live a life full of angst.

Is by angst, you mean I have a grasp of reality. Then sure.

My main issue is that if people wanted to vote themselves into poverty. Then fine. Knock yourselves out. The problem is that we will all suffer."
i asked you a few days back but you never answered how will leaving affect you personally will you slip into poverty or lose yr job or fall down the wage ladder just asking not aving a pop at you bud it's just ppl keep going on about the doom but know one will say how they will be affected personally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We had a referendum to stay or leave. The majority said leave. End of

What use is a referendum if people are so easily brainwashed to vote the way that the rich and powerful want them to.

Pointless."

I find that statement patronising!! As if us poor sods can't think for ourselves then your as bad as the politicians!!

The whole process is severely twisted by the petty lot who voted to stay and the lies and eggagerations from all sides is unbelievable and so immature and all that everyone is doing is making a complete mockery of democracy and what it stands for!!

I didn't vote to leave but I strongly behind Boris in a no deal why should we be bullied by Europe I think he is right to call their bluff and stand by it as I see it Europe has called the shots for far to long.

If all parties had united and actually did what the people voted for was the politicians to work together and make a strong Britain then we might ha e swayed Europe but as we are so fractured that's what is causing the chaos..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?"

Ignoring the unnecessary insult...

If we had a referendum where it was clear where both options would take us,I'd respect it.

My original frustration was always leave was ill defined. It was about what we were moving from, not to. And even the from was ill defined. By leaving the eu, did that mean saying no to SM. No to any form of customs union.

But then came the GE and both main parties campaigned on being the best to deliver the right kind of brexit. Both campaigned on close relationships. And while I disagreed with leave, and disagree with many other tory policies, I would have said their version of Brexit was the will of the people.

And then it all went tits up, and we are running towards a version of Brexit no party stood on. A version of Brexit only the remain campaign said was anything other than improbable. And the leave campaign labeled part of project fear. And to get there, a new PM is stretching the law. In an archaic way he said he wouldn't. To prevent our elected representatives having a say.

That to me smells. That is why I think we need a second vote.

But if after all that, the people say yes. No deal Brexit. Then yes. I'd respect that.

Would leave voters respect a remain vote?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Yes I would as I'd of respected the first vote if it had been remain that's democracy to me

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over a year ago

"Just out of interest, if there was a second vote and Leave won again - would Remoaners stop whining like little bitches and go back to their former insignificant lives?

If leave won again would brexit somehow magically have any benefits for the UK? Or would it still be exclusively a massive bag of shit?

Would the leave campaign be a complete bag of lies again?

Ah, answering a question with another question or in this case, three questions. Well done

If there was some measurable benefit to brexit, if the campaign wasn't full of lies. Then sure. There wouldn't be as much vocal opposition.

You really do live a life full of angst.

Is by angst, you mean I have a grasp of reality. Then sure.

My main issue is that if people wanted to vote themselves into poverty. Then fine. Knock yourselves out. The problem is that we will all suffer.i asked you a few days back but you never answered how will leaving affect you personally will you slip into poverty or lose yr job or fall down the wage ladder just asking not aving a pop at you bud it's just ppl keep going on about the doom but know one will say how they will be affected personally "

I don't remember. Maybe I missed it.

Firstly it's not only how it will effect me personally.

The least we'll off in society the most impacted. The most vulnerable people, the elderly and disabled, who rely on their pension or disability allowance. These are the people who are worst effected by austerity. With less money in the budget (bear in mind were currently 600-800 mil per week down). It's going to be these people that are hit the hardest.

Also less money from taxes, and from international trade means less money for the NHS, social housing, education, etc etc. Effects everyone.

Brexit has played a part in a number of businesses relocating from the UK. Which means people lost their jobs, and less tax is generated.

I work in the higher and further education sector. After the referendum result went through, there was a huge drop in foreign students enrolling on courses. Some universities had an 80% drop. If it's fair or not, foreign students pay way more for their education here. And they don't get grants from the Government here.

So there has been a huge drop in funds available to universities and colleges. There have been job losses, and pay freezes.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

I suspect it won't affect you personally not that you will notice anyway like most ppl and yr post above could of been written 10 yrs ago before brexit was ever uttered austerity was long before brexit

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I drove my scooter to Scotland last week.

My mum, who is 82, had a turn and landed in hospital.

So I went to see her day after she got out.

My mum gets the Scottish Daily Mail.

I found with with a big banner headline about the GERS figures.

How the SNP case for independence was in tatters, because the Union was worth £2000 for every adult.

I'd love to look back and see how the Mail reported Cameron's warning that exiting european union was £3000 for every household.

England did not listen, so why should Scotland?

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over a year ago

"I suspect it won't affect you personally not that you will notice anyway like most ppl and yr post above could of been written 10 yrs ago before brexit was ever uttered austerity was long before brexit "

Of course. But you suspecting that I won't be effected. Doesn't give me much comfort and doesn't address any of the other issues that will be effecting us all.

Do you not see why people are concerned? Or frustrated.

Plus where is the up side of brexit? This all seems for nothing.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Of course. But you suspecting that I won't be effected. Doesn't give me much comfort and doesn't address any of the other issues that will be effecting us all.

Do you not see why people are concerned? Or frustrated.

Plus where is the up side of brexit? This all seems for nothing."
yes I do as frustrated as some who voted leave and ad to put u with 3yrs of shit and name calling so you not see that mate

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over a year ago

Of course. But you suspecting that I won't be effected. Doesn't give me much comfort and doesn't address any of the other issues that will be effecting us all.

Do you not see why people are concerned? Or frustrated.

Plus where is the up side of brexit? This all seems for nothing.yes I do as frustrated as some who voted leave and ad to put u with 3yrs of shit and name calling so you not see that mate "

Right. But that's nothing to do with me. I haven't called you names.

I feel comfortable being critical of people voting for brexit. Without insulting anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The devisive nature of brexit is probably going to have deeper and more lasting effects on the UK than any gdp hit.

It's a small battle, but it would be good if the forum could move away from name calling, personal attacks, and taking spats across threads... And maybe take collective responsibility to call this out... On all sides... By all sides.

I have a dream....

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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Of course. But you suspecting that I won't be effected. Doesn't give me much comfort and doesn't address any of the other issues that will be effecting us all.

Do you not see why people are concerned? Or frustrated.

Plus where is the up side of brexit? This all seems for nothing.yes I do as frustrated as some who voted leave and ad to put u with 3yrs of shit and name calling so you not see that mate

Right. But that's nothing to do with me. I haven't called you names.

I feel comfortable being critical of people voting for brexit. Without insulting anyone.

As long. As you think your opinion is higher than someone who voted to leave

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

What did I do to deserve being ruled by these fuckwits from Eton?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What did I do to deserve being ruled by these fuckwits from Eton?

Your a pleb like the rest of us.The Eton political aristocracy were born to rule you.

Viva la revolution.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I do enjoy being fucked - but I draw the line at those fuckwits!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Interesting points everyone and yes brexit needs to be stopped at any cost and it is good that they are urging the people to demonstrate, justice to northern ireland

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