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"So no deal was meant to be left on the table as a negotiation tactic. Now, if the eu don't blink, and we no deal on 31st, would you be happy with that? And what do you think will change (if anything)? Price increases from tarriffs... Or no change? More Violence in Ireland... Or no change? Queues at Dover, in the short term... Long term... Or no change. I'm asking as I don't get a sense of how many people are behind no deal (esoeiclaly leave voters) and whether pro no dealers don't see there being any fall out... Or do, and are okay with it. " Some prices may increase until deals are done, tariffs on most things are pretty low and are less percentage wise than the pound has dropped, non tariff barriers are they way some countries will disrupte trade, of course that will affect our exports not imports as we will import the stuff we need rather than play silly buggers. If there is no deal then the EU will have to put up a border in Ireland or see sense and use tech and existing systems to check,( only 2% of imports into southampton are checked, a TIR type system is very easy to use and enables goods to cross borders unchecked now, and food products are already tracable from source and are checked at destination) already is anyone suggesting that we should be held to ransome by a few murderers? A few queues may happen for a short while untill business returns to normal | |||
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"So no deal was meant to be left on the table as a negotiation tactic. Now, if the eu don't blink, and we no deal on 31st, would you be happy with that? And what do you think will change (if anything)? Price increases from tarriffs... Or no change? More Violence in Ireland... Or no change? Queues at Dover, in the short term... Long term... Or no change. I'm asking as I don't get a sense of how many people are behind no deal (esoeiclaly leave voters) and whether pro no dealers don't see there being any fall out... Or do, and are okay with it. Some prices may increase until deals are done, tariffs on most things are pretty low and are less percentage wise than the pound has dropped, non tariff barriers are they way some countries will disrupte trade, of course that will affect our exports not imports as we will import the stuff we need rather than play silly buggers. If there is no deal then the EU will have to put up a border in Ireland or see sense and use tech and existing systems to check,( only 2% of imports into southampton are checked, a TIR type system is very easy to use and enables goods to cross borders unchecked now, and food products are already tracable from source and are checked at destination) already is anyone suggesting that we should be held to ransome by a few murderers? A few queues may happen for a short while untill business returns to normal" Did you vote to leave ? | |||
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"The only credible forecast we have is the leaked Operation Yellowhammer assessment. This was dated August 2019, i.e after the new Cabinet was formed. The Government has been asked to publish the most recent assessment. It refuses. Presumably it thinks the public cannot cope with the excitement all the benefits of Brexit will bring to Britain. "  | |||
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"Probably high inflation for a year or two,some dietry changes as foods we eat or drink may change not sure about this one,maybe some shortages to begin with. Air fare increases caused mainly by greedy robbing airlines who will use Brexit as an excuse. Hopefully life returning t normal as the fact is we are in this together(well it is true)no going back possible" Is there any upside? Even potential for a positive from all this? | |||
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"Probably high inflation for a year or two,some dietry changes as foods we eat or drink may change not sure about this one,maybe some shortages to begin with. Air fare increases caused mainly by greedy robbing airlines who will use Brexit as an excuse. Hopefully life returning t normal as the fact is we are in this together(well it is true)no going back possible Is there any upside? Even potential for a positive from all this?" Once we are out it’s not so easy to be let back in - that’s a positive | |||
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"So no deal was meant to be left on the table as a negotiation tactic. Now, if the eu don't blink, and we no deal on 31st, would you be happy with that? And what do you think will change (if anything)? Price increases from tarriffs... Or no change? More Violence in Ireland... Or no change? Queues at Dover, in the short term... Long term... Or no change. I'm asking as I don't get a sense of how many people are behind no deal (esoeiclaly leave voters) and whether pro no dealers don't see there being any fall out... Or do, and are okay with it. Some prices may increase until deals are done, tariffs on most things are pretty low and are less percentage wise than the pound has dropped, non tariff barriers are they way some countries will disrupte trade, of course that will affect our exports not imports as we will import the stuff we need rather than play silly buggers. If there is no deal then the EU will have to put up a border in Ireland or see sense and use tech and existing systems to check,( only 2% of imports into southampton are checked, a TIR type system is very easy to use and enables goods to cross borders unchecked now, and food products are already tracable from source and are checked at destination) already is anyone suggesting that we should be held to ransome by a few murderers? A few queues may happen for a short while untill business returns to normal Did you vote to leave ? " What has how I voted got anything to do with it | |||
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"Probably high inflation for a year or two,some dietry changes as foods we eat or drink may change not sure about this one,maybe some shortages to begin with. Air fare increases caused mainly by greedy robbing airlines who will use Brexit as an excuse. Hopefully life returning t normal as the fact is we are in this together(well it is true)no going back possible Is there any upside? Even potential for a positive from all this? Once we are out it’s not so easy to be let back in - that’s a positive "So that's a "no" from you. But genuinely. Does anyone have anything? | |||
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"So no deal was meant to be left on the table as a negotiation tactic. Now, if the eu don't blink, and we no deal on 31st, would you be happy with that? And what do you think will change (if anything)? Price increases from tarriffs... Or no change? More Violence in Ireland... Or no change? Queues at Dover, in the short term... Long term... Or no change. I'm asking as I don't get a sense of how many people are behind no deal (esoeiclaly leave voters) and whether pro no dealers don't see there being any fall out... Or do, and are okay with it. Some prices may increase until deals are done, tariffs on most things are pretty low and are less percentage wise than the pound has dropped, non tariff barriers are they way some countries will disrupte trade, of course that will affect our exports not imports as we will import the stuff we need rather than play silly buggers. If there is no deal then the EU will have to put up a border in Ireland or see sense and use tech and existing systems to check,( only 2% of imports into southampton are checked, a TIR type system is very easy to use and enables goods to cross borders unchecked now, and food products are already tracable from source and are checked at destination) already is anyone suggesting that we should be held to ransome by a few murderers? A few queues may happen for a short while untill business returns to normal Did you vote to leave ? What has how I voted got anything to do with it" Because the OP is trying to judge what both leavers and remainers feel about a no deal Brexit. | |||
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"It is not the tariffs on good entering the UK we should be concerned about, they are set by, and can therefore be manipulated by the UK government. The problem is the Tariffs levied on UK export goods and they come into force at 11 pm on 31/10 if we crash out without a deal and are not negligible. In fact they are set at 40% on many goods we export to the rest of the EU. I for one think the reality is going to prove to be much worse than we are being led to believe." Leo Varadkar got it dead right. Despite the dreams, wishes and fantasies of Brexiters, a no deal is the very opposite of the “clean break” that they think it is. No surprise that so many Brexiters can’t see past the two words and see the bigger picture. | |||
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"It is not the tariffs on good entering the UK we should be concerned about, they are set by, and can therefore be manipulated by the UK government. The problem is the Tariffs levied on UK export goods and they come into force at 11 pm on 31/10 if we crash out without a deal and are not negligible. In fact they are set at 40% on many goods we export to the rest of the EU. I for one think the reality is going to prove to be much worse than we are being led to believe." Exactly this. There seems to be this weird blind optimism that it’s just a few tariffs, but everything will be fine. Some people are seeing it in very abstract way. But in a much more real sense, there will be lots of small to medium businesses that won’t be able to absorb these costs. So businesses will fold, and people will lose jobs. That’s the harsh reality. Current predictions are a 5.5% drop in GDP, and both unemployment and inflation to double. No amount of blind optimism and British spirit can sugar coat this stuff or magically prevent it from happening. | |||
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"It is not the tariffs on good entering the UK we should be concerned about, they are set by, and can therefore be manipulated by the UK government. The problem is the Tariffs levied on UK export goods and they come into force at 11 pm on 31/10 if we crash out without a deal and are not negligible. In fact they are set at 40% on many goods we export to the rest of the EU. I for one think the reality is going to prove to be much worse than we are being led to believe." . If we're free to "manipulate" our tariffs, surely they must be free to manipulate theres?. Besides that, frankly there's a good case for some tariffs on goods. So winner winner chlorinated washed chicken dinner  | |||
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"It is not the tariffs on good entering the UK we should be concerned about, they are set by, and can therefore be manipulated by the UK government. The problem is the Tariffs levied on UK export goods and they come into force at 11 pm on 31/10 if we crash out without a deal and are not negligible. In fact they are set at 40% on many goods we export to the rest of the EU. I for one think the reality is going to prove to be much worse than we are being led to believe.. If we're free to "manipulate" our tariffs, surely they must be free to manipulate theres?. Besides that, frankly there's a good case for some tariffs on goods. So winner winner chlorinated washed chicken dinner "“Being free to manipulate their tariffs” AKA “Reaching a trade agreement with other countries” One of the great things about being a member of the EU was free trade. One of the downsides about leaving is losing that. Even with a deal, it was surely unrealistic to expect a deal as good as or better than being a member. If we wanted that, then the answer surely was not to leave. That’s the fundamental trouble with so much of this. We want to leave, and then butch about the EU because they - understandably - dint want to give us all the same benefits of membership. | |||
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"It is not the tariffs on good entering the UK we should be concerned about, they are set by, and can therefore be manipulated by the UK government. The problem is the Tariffs levied on UK export goods and they come into force at 11 pm on 31/10 if we crash out without a deal and are not negligible. In fact they are set at 40% on many goods we export to the rest of the EU. I for one think the reality is going to prove to be much worse than we are being led to believe.. If we're free to "manipulate" our tariffs, surely they must be free to manipulate theres?. Besides that, frankly there's a good case for some tariffs on goods. So winner winner chlorinated washed chicken dinner
“Being free to manipulate their tariffs”
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“Reaching a trade agreement with other countries”
One of the great things about being a member of the EU was free trade.
One of the downsides about leaving is losing that.
Even with a deal, it was surely unrealistic to expect a deal as good as or better than being a member. If we wanted that, then the answer surely was not to leave.
That’s the fundamental trouble with so much of this. We want to leave, and then butch about the EU because they - understandably - dint want to give us all the same benefits of membership.". Free trade is great as a concept not so great as an entity. Cheap countries with little social costs and cheap labour undercut expensive countries with great big social programs and higher wages... Well unless you move the cheap labour here and then stop the social programs and become a cheap country. Wouldn't happen here though, not with the might EU in charge and a sovereign parliament looking after our backs  | |||
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"If we're free to "manipulate" our tariffs, surely they must be free to manipulate theres?. Besides that, frankly there's a good case for some tariffs on goods. So winner winner chlorinated washed chicken dinner "That's right, they are. But the thing is tariffs must be set at the same level for everyone other than those you have FTA's with. Now why should the EU set its tariff rates to zero to help us as they would in a single move make every one of their FTA's superfluous and open the EU markets to inferior goods from the rest of the world thus destroying the single market and EU's reason for existence? And you're welcome to eat all the US chlorinated chicken diners you wish but I wont be joining you as I know the food poisoning rates in the USA and have no wish to become one of their statistics. | |||
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"If we're free to "manipulate" our tariffs, surely they must be free to manipulate theres?. Besides that, frankly there's a good case for some tariffs on goods. So winner winner chlorinated washed chicken dinner
That's right, they are. But the thing is tariffs must be set at the same level for everyone other than those you have FTA's with. Now why should the EU set its tariff rates to zero to help us as they would in a single move make every one of their FTA's superfluous and open the EU markets to inferior goods from the rest of the world thus destroying the single market and EU's reason for existence? And you're welcome to eat all the US chlorinated chicken diners you wish but I wont be joining you as I know the food poisoning rates in the USA and have no wish to become one of their statistics.". Dang it, like I said, it's not like we've been running a twenty year trade deficit while in the EU is it?. It's not like the EU continually bring into the fold cheap countrys with cheap labour and little social programs to continually feed the corporations so they can externalise costs and internalise profits, I mean fuck me how cheap would those Bangladeshi sweaters be without the EU's tariffs keeping inferior goods off the market, no siree, there's no house fires here with dodgy white goods from Turkey and China. No way, thanks EU warrior, I'll sleep easy in my fire retardant bedding tonight. | |||
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