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"I'm getting reports that the Government is to ask the Queen to suspend Parliament. " I am going to expand this for people just so they are aware and the bombshell that has just hit... he is apparently going to ask the queen to suspend parliament on sept 9th..(prorouge) so they can have the queens speech on october 14th.... because they debate the queens speech for weeks it means they couldn't stop a no deal brexit... they think the queen speech arguement gives them cover in any court case.... basically this put the VONC nuclear option back on the table.... since this was about giving parliament sovereignty this is a big FU! | |||
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"Unelected PM decides to push a suspension of UK parliament just so they can crash through No Deal. Funny how democracy/taking back control, etc, goes out of the window if it means Brexiters get that No Deal. I now await the usual suspects here to see how they spin this as a good thing." The race to the bottom of the pile has gone up a gear. It is ironic how "we must respect the democratic, advisory vote as if it was legally banding". Trumps an unelected PM trying to become a temporary totalitarian dictatorship. | |||
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"I thought lots of remainer m.ps were talking about involving the queen a few weeks back to get what they wanted.swings and roundabouts people.at least after all this bollox is sorted out one way or another we should be rid of a lots of m.ps from both sides of the argument from all partys" Weren't remainers more arguing teh queen shouldn't be involved. In though that was the gist of the case being seen in Scotland. | |||
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"I thought lots of remainer m.ps were talking about involving the queen a few weeks back to get what they wanted.swings and roundabouts people.at least after all this bollox is sorted out one way or another we should be rid of a lots of m.ps from both sides of the argument from all partys" I thought you never vote?? 
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"a couple of things for context.... when govt prorouge for the queens speech the convention is normally 6 days... (prorouge on the thursday, queens speech the following wednesday) this time they are looking at 5 weeks! from what i can see of a provisional timetable, prorouge sept 9.... queens speech oct 14th, debate starts 16th for 5 sitting days... vote would be on 23rd, the queens speech is one of this things under the Fixed term parliament act where if they voted against it it acts like a vote of no confidence..... so if they were to vote against you have the 14 days... but we know that take us over brexit leaving day..... prorouging govt for 5 weeks is going to be the bit that you are going to see the infighting over and the law cases.... can they do it for that long? govt thinks queens speech gives they cover! i think you are going to find other people will think otherwise... this is basically now the beginning of the end....." Can anything be done Fabio? | |||
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"I thought lots of remainer m.ps were talking about involving the queen a few weeks back to get what they wanted.swings and roundabouts people.at least after all this bollox is sorted out one way or another we should be rid of a lots of m.ps from both sides of the argument from all partys" Just to be replaced by more who are equal to or worse than the current shower. Depending on which flavour brexit shit sandwich we get served, they're likely to have less restrictions on how deep and hard they can fuck us over. | |||
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"a couple of things for context.... when govt prorouge for the queens speech the convention is normally 6 days... (prorouge on the thursday, queens speech the following wednesday) this time they are looking at 5 weeks! from what i can see of a provisional timetable, prorouge sept 9.... queens speech oct 14th, debate starts 16th for 5 sitting days... vote would be on 23rd, the queens speech is one of this things under the Fixed term parliament act where if they voted against it it acts like a vote of no confidence..... so if they were to vote against you have the 14 days... but we know that take us over brexit leaving day..... prorouging govt for 5 weeks is going to be the bit that you are going to see the infighting over and the law cases.... can they do it for that long? govt thinks queens speech gives they cover! i think you are going to find other people will think otherwise... this is basically now the beginning of the end..... Can anything be done Fabio? " She might say no LOL. That would shut the slimy git Moggy up. She might have to get the cleaners in to clean up the slime trails. I wonder if she has the power to do that or does it risk too much of a constitutional crisis. I wonder if they are sounding her out. Gord would you want this sort of pressure when you are 93 years old ? | |||
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"Lol oh Bob the great has spoken again matters not if you vote or not ya still allowed an opinion mate.who knows after all this bollox someone may come along who I feel I could vote for.probably not but you never know lol" It's interesting, do you not vote through apathy or because no one has policies that you like? If it's the latter, what policies or direction would you like to see represented by a party? To me, it seems like there is a party to vote for that represents most views. I would say there is one party who I agree with the most, but I still don't like everything in their manifesto. Sorry for the tangent. I find it interesting. | |||
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"Strangely I feel more comfortable with this happening" Shock horror you'd be ok with this, what about taking back control? Or doesn't that matter if it goes against your view? Hypocrites the lot of you.  | |||
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"Lol oh Bob the great has spoken again matters not if you vote or not ya still allowed an opinion mate.who knows after all this bollox someone may come along who I feel I could vote for.probably not but you never know lol" Now we are living under a dictatorship I guess it doesn’t matter if you voted or not... Maybe we could start a peoples revolution and oust the dictator .With non violent means of course...  | |||
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"Strangely I feel more comfortable with this happening Shock horror you'd be ok with this, what about taking back control? Or doesn't that matter if it goes against your view? Hypocrites the lot of you. "Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point | |||
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point " Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch. | |||
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"I wonder how people would have felt if May had forced through her deal without the support of the house. " Wasn't that her original plan - until the courts ruled otherwise? | |||
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch." “What you lot”
Read what is there instead of making stuff up in your head about what you think you don’t know.
You would be happier with the other option ? Group of parties/mps manipulating parliamentary rules to take control of the order of business and it’s a view to doing something different?
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"Man the barricades. Viva la revolution! " I think I won’t recycle my bottles this week.We might need Molotov cocktails next month.. | |||
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch. “What you lot”
Read what is there instead of making stuff up in your head about what you think you don’t know.
You would be happier with the other option ? Group of parties/mps manipulating parliamentary rules to take control of the order of business and it’s a view to doing something different?
"What they were or are planning us within the principles of getting a mandate or not for whatever they wish to do.. Boris has no interest in getting such a mandate from the sovereign governing body.. See the difference, one is based upon a democratic principle and one is more akin to North Korea.. | |||
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch. “What you lot”
Read what is there instead of making stuff up in your head about what you think you don’t know.
You would be happier with the other option ? Group of parties/mps manipulating parliamentary rules to take control of the order of business and it’s a view to doing something different?
What they were or are planning us within the principles of getting a mandate or not for whatever they wish to do..
Boris has no interest in getting such a mandate from the sovereign governing body..
See the difference, one is based upon a democratic principle and one is more akin to North Korea..
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch. “What you lot”
Read what is there instead of making stuff up in your head about what you think you don’t know.
You would be happier with the other option ? Group of parties/mps manipulating parliamentary rules to take control of the order of business and it’s a view to doing something different?
What they were or are planning us within the principles of getting a mandate or not for whatever they wish to do..
Boris has no interest in getting such a mandate from the sovereign governing body..
See the difference, one is based upon a democratic principle and one is more akin to North Korea..
I am happier with the mandate of leave the Eu with or without a wa "? What's a "wa"? Why do you want out of the EU? Isn't remaining the best option from every possible angle! | |||
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch. “What you lot”
Read what is there instead of making stuff up in your head about what you think you don’t know.
You would be happier with the other option ? Group of parties/mps manipulating parliamentary rules to take control of the order of business and it’s a view to doing something different?
"The whole brexit debacle has been about groups of MPs playing games and not standing by their party and the manifesto they stood on. Be this leavers or remainers. Erg or change UK. Looking wider we've seen a group of elected representatives effectivly swap parties in a system where you vote for the party and not the person. It seems all rules are off. Which wouldn't seem so laughable had not a part of brexit not been about sovereignty, accountability, democracy and control. | |||
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch. “What you lot”
Read what is there instead of making stuff up in your head about what you think you don’t know.
You would be happier with the other option ? Group of parties/mps manipulating parliamentary rules to take control of the order of business and it’s a view to doing something different?
The whole brexit debacle has been about groups of MPs playing games and not standing by their party and the manifesto they stood on. Be this leavers or remainers. Erg or change UK. Looking wider we've seen a group of elected representatives effectivly swap parties in a system where you vote for the party and not the person.
It seems all rules are off. Which wouldn't seem so laughable had not a part of brexit not been about sovereignty, accountability, democracy and control. "In fairness to the ERG from the start they were all about maximum damage and the most severe brexit possible. All for personal wealth gain. From the start. They haven't changed their tune. | |||
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch. “What you lot”
Read what is there instead of making stuff up in your head about what you think you don’t know.
You would be happier with the other option ? Group of parties/mps manipulating parliamentary rules to take control of the order of business and it’s a view to doing something different?
The whole brexit debacle has been about groups of MPs playing games and not standing by their party and the manifesto they stood on. Be this leavers or remainers. Erg or change UK. Looking wider we've seen a group of elected representatives effectivly swap parties in a system where you vote for the party and not the person.
It seems all rules are off. Which wouldn't seem so laughable had not a part of brexit not been about sovereignty, accountability, democracy and control.
In fairness to the ERG from the start they were all about maximum damage and the most severe brexit possible. All for personal wealth gain. From the start. They haven't changed their tune. "They should have started their own party them or stood as independant. Max damage was not a Tory policy. | |||
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"I think this makes a no-confidence motion in Parliament next week inevitable. And, if it passes, a General Election. Which will be, de facto, a 2nd referendum, since the campaign will polarise along Brexit lines." well that’s all most remainers have wanted a second vote lol | |||
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"I think this makes a no-confidence motion in Parliament next week inevitable. And, if it passes, a General Election. Which will be, de facto, a 2nd referendum, since the campaign will polarise along Brexit lines.well that’s all most remainers have wanted a second vote lol" I'm not sure a second vote would make any difference. People still seem to think Brexit is good. We don't really know anything we didn't already know. Any form of brexit is a shit sandwich. But people still believe that leaving is good despite the lack of any evidence. It's like a religion. | |||
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"Interesting you only selected that part of my post. I feel what is being done is the lesser of the 2 evils. That’s not hypocritical, it’s my point Because the rest of your view is trash, essentially saying "I'm ok with Parliament being shut down rather than hearing what remainers have to say". Do you not see the hypocrisy of this considering what you lot promoted about taking back control, have our parliament run the country as it should be, but the exact moment it goes against your brexit views, you're in favour of shutting it down? Fickle bunch. “What you lot”
Read what is there instead of making stuff up in your head about what you think you don’t know.
You would be happier with the other option ? Group of parties/mps manipulating parliamentary rules to take control of the order of business and it’s a view to doing something different?
What they were or are planning us within the principles of getting a mandate or not for whatever they wish to do..
Boris has no interest in getting such a mandate from the sovereign governing body..
See the difference, one is based upon a democratic principle and one is more akin to North Korea..
I am happier with the mandate of leave the Eu with or without a wa
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What's a "wa"?
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"EU should just move the deadline forward and be done with this absolute shit show." You want to race to the bottom even faster? | |||
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"I think this makes a no-confidence motion in Parliament next week inevitable. And, if it passes, a General Election. Which will be, de facto, a 2nd referendum, since the campaign will polarise along Brexit lines.well that’s all most remainers have wanted a second vote lol I'm not sure a second vote would make any difference. People still seem to think Brexit is good. We don't really know anything we didn't already know. Any form of brexit is a shit sandwich. But people still believe that leaving is good despite the lack of any evidence. It's like a religion." Yeah, I think Brexit is as bad an idea as it's ever been, but I don't really care about getting a 2nd referendum anymore. It'd just be a lot of fuss to get to the same result. We're just going to have to take Brexit, probably via no deal, and hopefully it will at least destroy the Tories and in ten years we can look at the situation with a bit more clarity and talk about rejoining. | |||
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"I think this makes a no-confidence motion in Parliament next week inevitable. And, if it passes, a General Election. Which will be, de facto, a 2nd referendum, since the campaign will polarise along Brexit lines.well that’s all most remainers have wanted a second vote lol I'm not sure a second vote would make any difference. People still seem to think Brexit is good. We don't really know anything we didn't already know. Any form of brexit is a shit sandwich. But people still believe that leaving is good despite the lack of any evidence. It's like a religion. Yeah, I think Brexit is as bad an idea as it's ever been, but I don't really care about getting a 2nd referendum anymore. It'd just be a lot of fuss to get to the same result. We're just going to have to take Brexit, probably via no deal, and hopefully it will at least destroy the Tories and in ten years we can look at the situation with a bit more clarity and talk about rejoining. " Rejoining in ten years still isn't good. We'd never be allowed back with terms as favourable as we have now. | |||
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" Rejoining in ten years still isn't good. We'd never be allowed back with terms as favourable as we have now. " Oh, definitely. Britain might never recover the level of influence and power we currently have. | |||
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" Oh, definitely. Britain might never recover the level of influence and power we currently have. " Yeah, I think the UK would get more power than a normal entrant to the EU, but they are one of the most influential and have the most exceptions of any other country in the EU, that just couldnt happen again. | |||
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"So to get this right, the PM is hoping the Queen will uphold the referendum result. As there are and have been so may court proceedings over this, she has to seek legal advice or at least be given the advice the government has been given on Brexit. If she upholds or rejects the result then the advice will be seen as sound or flawed or she should could simply just act as a demigod? " The Queen is a servant of the Government. There is precedent and tradition, she will take counsel from her advisors and I can't see her not granting this. | |||
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"a couple of things for context.... when govt prorouge for the queens speech the convention is normally 6 days... (prorouge on the thursday, queens speech the following wednesday) this time they are looking at 5 weeks! from what i can see of a provisional timetable, prorouge sept 9.... queens speech oct 14th, debate starts 16th for 5 sitting days... vote would be on 23rd, the queens speech is one of this things under the Fixed term parliament act where if they voted against it it acts like a vote of no confidence..... so if they were to vote against you have the 14 days... but we know that take us over brexit leaving day..... prorouging govt for 5 weeks is going to be the bit that you are going to see the infighting over and the law cases.... can they do it for that long? govt thinks queens speech gives they cover! i think you are going to find other people will think otherwise... this is basically now the beginning of the end....." . So our sovereign parliament gets to vote on this? I fail to see how this is in anyway undemocratic?. | |||
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"a couple of things for context.... when govt prorouge for the queens speech the convention is normally 6 days... (prorouge on the thursday, queens speech the following wednesday) this time they are looking at 5 weeks! from what i can see of a provisional timetable, prorouge sept 9.... queens speech oct 14th, debate starts 16th for 5 sitting days... vote would be on 23rd, the queens speech is one of this things under the Fixed term parliament act where if they voted against it it acts like a vote of no confidence..... so if they were to vote against you have the 14 days... but we know that take us over brexit leaving day..... prorouging govt for 5 weeks is going to be the bit that you are going to see the infighting over and the law cases.... can they do it for that long? govt thinks queens speech gives they cover! i think you are going to find other people will think otherwise... this is basically now the beginning of the end...... So our sovereign parliament gets to vote on this? I fail to see how this is in anyway undemocratic?." No, they don't get to vote on it. The unelected Prime Minister gets to unilaterally impose a five week closure of Parliament once he has the agreement of an unelected monarch. The kind of definition of democracy usually used in dictatorships? | |||
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"a couple of things for context.... when govt prorouge for the queens speech the convention is normally 6 days... (prorouge on the thursday, queens speech the following wednesday) this time they are looking at 5 weeks! from what i can see of a provisional timetable, prorouge sept 9.... queens speech oct 14th, debate starts 16th for 5 sitting days... vote would be on 23rd, the queens speech is one of this things under the Fixed term parliament act where if they voted against it it acts like a vote of no confidence..... so if they were to vote against you have the 14 days... but we know that take us over brexit leaving day..... prorouging govt for 5 weeks is going to be the bit that you are going to see the infighting over and the law cases.... can they do it for that long? govt thinks queens speech gives they cover! i think you are going to find other people will think otherwise... this is basically now the beginning of the end...... So our sovereign parliament gets to vote on this? I fail to see how this is in anyway undemocratic?. No, they don't get to vote on it. The unelected Prime Minister gets to unilaterally impose a five week closure of Parliament once he has the agreement of an unelected monarch. The kind of definition of democracy usually used in dictatorships?" . Oh, well in that case he's a very naughty boy. | |||
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"I think this makes a no-confidence motion in Parliament next week inevitable. And, if it passes, a General Election. Which will be, de facto, a 2nd referendum, since the campaign will polarise along Brexit lines.well that’s all most remainers have wanted a second vote lol I'm not sure a second vote would make any difference. People still seem to think Brexit is good. We don't really know anything we didn't already know. Any form of brexit is a shit sandwich. But people still believe that leaving is good despite the lack of any evidence. It's like a religion. Yeah, I think Brexit is as bad an idea as it's ever been, but I don't really care about getting a 2nd referendum anymore. It'd just be a lot of fuss to get to the same result. We're just going to have to take Brexit, probably via no deal, and hopefully it will at least destroy the Tories and in ten years we can look at the situation with a bit more clarity and talk about rejoining. Rejoining in ten years still isn't good. We'd never be allowed back with terms as favourable as we have now. " True, but the terms that we will be offered to rejoin will be far better than staying in the mess that a no deal Brexit will create. Unfortunately we are leaving without a deal but when the people who voted for it either die (most are over 55) or finally see sense then the majority will want to rejoin. | |||
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"squeeky bum time for remainers now. "Not really, when the reality and consequences of a no deal brexit start to hit those who voted for it , it will only be a matter of time before we try and rejoin . It is ironic that those people who voted for this will be the worse affected . | |||
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"a couple of things for context.... when govt prorouge for the queens speech the convention is normally 6 days... (prorouge on the thursday, queens speech the following wednesday) this time they are looking at 5 weeks! from what i can see of a provisional timetable, prorouge sept 9.... queens speech oct 14th, debate starts 16th for 5 sitting days... vote would be on 23rd, the queens speech is one of this things under the Fixed term parliament act where if they voted against it it acts like a vote of no confidence..... so if they were to vote against you have the 14 days... but we know that take us over brexit leaving day..... prorouging govt for 5 weeks is going to be the bit that you are going to see the infighting over and the law cases.... can they do it for that long? govt thinks queens speech gives they cover! i think you are going to find other people will think otherwise... this is basically now the beginning of the end...... So our sovereign parliament gets to vote on this? I fail to see how this is in anyway undemocratic?. No, they don't get to vote on it. The unelected Prime Minister gets to unilaterally impose a five week closure of Parliament once he has the agreement of an unelected monarch. The kind of definition of democracy usually used in dictatorships?" Most of the "5 weeks" are taken up with Party Conferences when Parliament breaks anyway. | |||
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"a couple of things for context.... when govt prorouge for the queens speech the convention is normally 6 days... (prorouge on the thursday, queens speech the following wednesday) this time they are looking at 5 weeks! from what i can see of a provisional timetable, prorouge sept 9.... queens speech oct 14th, debate starts 16th for 5 sitting days... vote would be on 23rd, the queens speech is one of this things under the Fixed term parliament act where if they voted against it it acts like a vote of no confidence..... so if they were to vote against you have the 14 days... but we know that take us over brexit leaving day..... prorouging govt for 5 weeks is going to be the bit that you are going to see the infighting over and the law cases.... can they do it for that long? govt thinks queens speech gives they cover! i think you are going to find other people will think otherwise... this is basically now the beginning of the end...... So our sovereign parliament gets to vote on this? I fail to see how this is in anyway undemocratic?. No, they don't get to vote on it. The unelected Prime Minister gets to unilaterally impose a five week closure of Parliament once he has the agreement of an unelected monarch. The kind of definition of democracy usually used in dictatorships? Most of the "5 weeks" are taken up with Party Conferences when Parliament breaks anyway. Why is he doing it then??
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Who knows... its a mystery
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"a couple of things for context.... when govt prorouge for the queens speech the convention is normally 6 days... (prorouge on the thursday, queens speech the following wednesday) this time they are looking at 5 weeks! from what i can see of a provisional timetable, prorouge sept 9.... queens speech oct 14th, debate starts 16th for 5 sitting days... vote would be on 23rd, the queens speech is one of this things under the Fixed term parliament act where if they voted against it it acts like a vote of no confidence..... so if they were to vote against you have the 14 days... but we know that take us over brexit leaving day..... prorouging govt for 5 weeks is going to be the bit that you are going to see the infighting over and the law cases.... can they do it for that long? govt thinks queens speech gives they cover! i think you are going to find other people will think otherwise... this is basically now the beginning of the end...... So our sovereign parliament gets to vote on this? I fail to see how this is in anyway undemocratic?. No, they don't get to vote on it. The unelected Prime Minister gets to unilaterally impose a five week closure of Parliament once he has the agreement of an unelected monarch. The kind of definition of democracy usually used in dictatorships? Most of the "5 weeks" are taken up with Party Conferences when Parliament breaks anyway. Why is he doing it then??
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"squeeky bum time for remainers now. "Ahh has the mask finally dropped for you too? You don't care about taking back control or what's best for the country after all, which is even more hilarious that you're so proud of this despite the fact you didn't even vote. | |||
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"squeeky bum time for remainers now.
Ahh has the mask finally dropped for you too? You don't care about taking back control or what's best for the country after all, which is even more hilarious that you're so proud of this despite the fact you didn't even vote. "Hold on mate its corbyn,swinton etc who was trying to overthrow the ELECTED GOVERNMENT all boris has done is make it a little bit harder for them. | |||
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"totally disagree with whats going on but can we stop with we did not elect the pm no pm has ever been elected by the people the party gets elected the head of the party is PM. "It's more a case of Boris being caught on his lies again, seeing as his comments towards Gordon Brown were of disgust claiming that he wasn't elected and Labour should hold an election asap to decide the countries new leader. Fast forward to 2019, Boris gets the job the exact same way and suddenly he doesn't have an issue with this anymore. | |||
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"Hold on mate its corbyn,swinton etc who was trying to overthrow the ELECTED GOVERNMENT all boris has done is make it a little bit harder for them. "Yes, why debate when you can just shut down Parliament during that vital period, not a dictator move at all | |||
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"Been saying it along time. Defend democracy and suspend parliament who is going against the will of the majority. Then drain the swamp of all MPs that went against the will of there constituents. " And what of those voted in after 2016 who represent people's updated views which do not align with yours? | |||
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"totally disagree with whats going on but can we stop with we did not elect the pm no pm has ever been elected by the people the party gets elected the head of the party is PM.
It's more a case of Boris being caught on his lies again, seeing as his comments towards Gordon Brown were of disgust claiming that he wasn't elected and Labour should hold an election asap to decide the countries new leader. Fast forward to 2019, Boris gets the job the exact same way and suddenly he doesn't have an issue with this anymore."im not saying its right but its a fact every party would and will do the same. fact people vote for the party to run the country not the pm the parties vote there leaders .... | |||
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"Hold on mate its corbyn,swinton etc who was trying to overthrow the ELECTED GOVERNMENT all boris has done is make it a little bit harder for them.
Yes, why debate when you can just shut down Parliament during that vital period, not a dictator move at all "Your lot have had 3 years to stop it if you wanted to and you are up in arms about 5 days you make me laugh. | |||
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"tell me of one person in politics that don't lie ?? they all get caught out." Don't try and play the no angel card, of course lies and fake promises are made, but in recent years it's been off the fucking charts. Like it was just a few weeks ago Boris himself said No Deal is an Impossible thing, look at where we are now, this current admin is crumbling under their constant lies and heel turns and what, we're supposed to accept it because others have lied a bit in the past?
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Yes, why debate when you can just shut down Parliament during that vital period, not a dictator move at all "One thing for sure ,is brexiters have no interest in democracy and brexit is cult full of lunatics as mad as the foaming at the mouth fanatics in isis. The cult members will sacrifice the country and our democracy at the alter of brexit.. | |||
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"Finally a PM with some backbone and balls. Fully support the suspension of parliament so the result of a democratic referendum can be honoured. Remember there was only two choices on the ballot paper. Leave or remain. There was no leave with a deal option. Been saying it along time. Defend democracy and suspend parliament who is going against the will of the majority. Then drain the swamp of all MPs that went against the will of there constituents. " . In 10 years time when the vast majority of those who voted to leave will be dead and the others will be destitute we will rejoin the EU. I don’t understand why the people who voted to leave will be those worse effected by leaving the EU? | |||
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"Your lot have had 3 years to stop it if you wanted to and you are up in arms about 5 days you make me laugh." Sure, remainers have done nothing for 3 years, weird then, I wonder what you and certain others here have constantly been moaning about during that time. Stop trying to retcon things in your favour, your post history is visible remember. | |||
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"Hold on mate its corbyn,swinton etc who was trying to overthrow the ELECTED GOVERNMENT all boris has done is make it a little bit harder for them.
Yes, why debate when you can just shut down Parliament during that vital period, not a dictator move at all Your lot have had 3 years to stop it if you wanted to and you are up in arms about 5 days you make me laugh."And ‘your lot’ had 3 years to make a deal, a deal we are promised would be ‘easy’ and ‘beneficial’ to the country. Why are we going to leave with a no deal?? | |||
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"totally disagree with whats going on but can we stop with we did not elect the pm no pm has ever been elected by the people the party gets elected the head of the party is PM.
It's more a case of Boris being caught on his lies again, seeing as his comments towards Gordon Brown were of disgust claiming that he wasn't elected and Labour should hold an election asap to decide the countries new leader. Fast forward to 2019, Boris gets the job the exact same way and suddenly he doesn't have an issue with this anymore."That’s not correct | |||
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"A view from the outside.In your elections the first past the post system means that 35/40% or less can win the seat.very undemocratic.The popular vote of combined electorate should mean something.Some years ago it was mooted that the system should be reformed to a more democratic system so that majority rules rather than an undemocratic minority...That's the reason you are in such a mess.It's a pity great country...." Yeah, guess who put a stop to the Voting Reform, good old David Cameron, putting out banners and such staying that "Now's not the time to reform, when we could spend that money on our troops instead". | |||
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pride come before the fall and all that....."Not trying to claim any victory Fabio just want you to acknowledge that what i said was not rubbish. Also that a GE wont take place on the 24th oct as you predicted. | |||
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" . In 10 years time when the vast majority of those who voted to leave will be dead and the others will be destitute we will rejoin the EU. I don’t understand why the people who voted to leave will be those worse effected by leaving the EU? "So you hit 75 then die? Wow. Didn’t know that. Best go tell my nan she should have died last year why on Earth is she still here being 76. Please tell me how is your vote worth more than a 65 year old who voted to leave. You are also assuming all those that turn 18 in the next 10 years will all vote to rejoin? Something tells me that isn’t right. I didn’t like some of the laws passed ten years ago(I was 17) but I respected democracy and went on with my life. | |||
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" . In 10 years time when the vast majority of those who voted to leave will be dead and the others will be destitute we will rejoin the EU. I don’t understand why the people who voted to leave will be those worse effected by leaving the EU?
So you hit 75 then die? Wow. Didn’t know that. Best go tell my nan she should have died last year why on Earth is she still here being 76.
Please tell me how is your vote worth more than a 65 year old who voted to leave.
You are also assuming all those that turn 18 in the next 10 years will all vote to rejoin? Something tells me that isn’t right.
I didn’t like some of the laws passed ten years ago(I was 17) but I respected democracy and went on with my life.
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"EU should just move the deadline forward and be done with this absolute shit show." Indeed. The whole Brexit debacle has been dragging on so long now an end needs putting to it like a bullet to the head. It's more than over due, either scrap A50 or just fucking leave. The sooner we leave the sooner we'll definitely know the damage of doing so then the sooner we can try and fix it or get used to it for better or worse. | |||
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" I am not assuming anything . My vote is exactly the same as everyone else’s . These are facts, the majority of young people voted to remain, the majority of old people voted to leave . Here is another fact, you have more chance of dying when your old then when you are young . Can I ask you a question, when we leave with a no deal, how will the UK be better off than where we were 3 years ago? "If your vote is worth exactly the same as everyone else’s, why aren’t you respecting the result of a democratic referendum? Yes old people are more likely to die, why should that matter? A vote is a vote regardless of who cast it. You seem to really dislike old people, getting the vibes that deep down you believe they are second class citizens/voters. Easy. Trade deals with who ever we want either that be independent countries or groups of countries. Yes standards are lower in USA but people aren’t dying left right and centre. The eurozone economy is heading to a recession, do we really want to be dragged down with a sinking ship? Look at what happened to Greece. All uncertainty will be gone(which is the real reason why pound has fallen). These are just to name a few. | |||
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" I am not assuming anything . My vote is exactly the same as everyone else’s . These are facts, the majority of young people voted to remain, the majority of old people voted to leave . Here is another fact, you have more chance of dying when your old then when you are young . Can I ask you a question, when we leave with a no deal, how will the UK be better off than where we were 3 years ago?
If your vote is worth exactly the same as everyone else’s, why aren’t you respecting the result of a democratic referendum?
Yes old people are more likely to die, why should that matter? A vote is a vote regardless of who cast it.
You seem to really dislike old people, getting the vibes that deep down you believe they are second class citizens/voters.
Easy. Trade deals with who ever we want either that be independent countries or groups of countries. Yes standards are lower in USA but people aren’t dying left right and centre. The eurozone economy is heading to a recession, do we really want to be dragged down with a sinking ship? Look at what happened to Greece. All uncertainty will be gone(which is the real reason why pound has fallen). These are just to name a few. ""Respecting the referendum" Why is it such a crime to disrespect the result of an advisory referendum based on lies. Surely ploughing on through the brexit shit show and plunging the UK into obscurity and poverty, purely for the benefit of a few rich individuals, is worse! Oh and read up about how many people, especially the young and old, who die as a direct result of the low food standards in the states. | |||
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" I am not assuming anything . My vote is exactly the same as everyone else’s . These are facts, the majority of young people voted to remain, the majority of old people voted to leave . Here is another fact, you have more chance of dying when your old then when you are young . Can I ask you a question, when we leave with a no deal, how will the UK be better off than where we were 3 years ago?
If your vote is worth exactly the same as everyone else’s, why aren’t you respecting the result of a democratic referendum?
Yes old people are more likely to die, why should that matter? A vote is a vote regardless of who cast it.
You seem to really dislike old people, getting the vibes that deep down you believe they are second class citizens/voters.
Easy. Trade deals with who ever we want either that be independent countries or groups of countries. Yes standards are lower in USA but people aren’t dying left right and centre. The eurozone economy is heading to a recession, do we really want to be dragged down with a sinking ship? Look at what happened to Greece. All uncertainty will be gone(which is the real reason why pound has fallen). These are just to name a few. "I respect old people, I respect their vote, democracy is fluid, it can’t be rigid and just because we voted to leave the eu now doesn’t mean we can’t vote to return in the future? Do you agree? Which countries are we going to get trade deals with that are better than what we have within the EU? Why are you using the USA as a comparison? They are in a mess, do you want to live in a country with no NHS, no proper welfare state? Fewer holidays for workers, less workers rights? Is that what you want? Are you suggesting the pound will get stronger when we leave the EU? | |||
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" I respect old people, I respect their vote, democracy is fluid, it can’t be rigid and just because we voted to leave the eu now doesn’t mean we can’t vote to return in the future? Do you agree? Which countries are we going to get trade deals with that are better than what we have within the EU? Why are you using the USA as a comparison? They are in a mess, do you want to live in a country with no NHS, no proper welfare state? Fewer holidays for workers, less workers rights? Is that what you want? Are you suggesting the pound will get stronger when we leave the EU? "I’m all for holding a vote to rejoin the EU, 10-20 years after we have implemented the result of the 2016 referendum. This time frame would give a true picture of what will happen. Many countries will trade with us, we are still a large market and is ripe for new deals. Used the USA as that’s the country most of you remoaners keep moaning about. NHS- yes it’s great but a lot of services are now done by private company’s. I’m not saying the whole lot should be private but some services could be. Welfare - benefit system is a joke. It should be the bare minimum to survive. No more. They should be cut. It should be a encouragement to get back to work, for those who can. The disabled and those who genuinely can’t need more help and are being penalised far to much. If able those on welfare should be made to earn there benefits, cleaning up the streets, helping the old etc. Fewer holidays? Holidays won’t be affected as much as you think by Brexit you’ll be still able to travel to Europe for under 90days visa free. Less workers rights- why do we have to lower the rights? We can keep them the same as they are. Yes I am, it may take time to recover from uncertainty caused by MPs but it always does. | |||
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Can a court even do so?
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"A dark day...There will be consequences. There will be precisely 1,984 consequences." Boris tells brexiters what they already know.Making him the best politician ever. | |||
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"This whole thing reeks of Dominic Cummings- it is he who is running the country now." Cummings all over the country...... Can't mistake the irony on a swingers website... LOL (Gotta make light ov circumstance, overwise I'd be snorting....) | |||
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"This whole thing reeks of Dominic Cummings- it is he who is running the country now. Cummings all over the country...... Can't mistake the irony on a swingers website... LOL (Gotta make light ov circumstance, overwise I'd be snorting....)" This is far bigger than Brexit because once it happens once it can happen at anytime in the future by an government. Ok Corbyn suggested setting up another government just as bad ,so Johnson replies with this,both are wrong. It is a total danger to democracy.If people have ever taken any notice of me,the main reason I am anti the EU is because I see it as non democratic,this brings us down to there level.I voted leave because of my love of British democracy not to have it destroyed this is a sad day for us all and goes way beyong brexit | |||
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" I respect old people, I respect their vote, democracy is fluid, it can’t be rigid and just because we voted to leave the eu now doesn’t mean we can’t vote to return in the future? Do you agree? Which countries are we going to get trade deals with that are better than what we have within the EU? Why are you using the USA as a comparison? They are in a mess, do you want to live in a country with no NHS, no proper welfare state? Fewer holidays for workers, less workers rights? Is that what you want? Are you suggesting the pound will get stronger when we leave the EU?
I’m all for holding a vote to rejoin the EU, 10-20 years after we have implemented the result of the 2016 referendum. This time frame would give a true picture of what will happen.
Many countries will trade with us, we are still a large market and is ripe for new deals.
Used the USA as that’s the country most of you remoaners keep moaning about.
NHS- yes it’s great but a lot of services are now done by private company’s. I’m not saying the whole lot should be private but some services could be.
Welfare - benefit system is a joke. It should be the bare minimum to survive. No more. They should be cut. It should be a encouragement to get back to work, for those who can. The disabled and those who genuinely can’t need more help and are being penalised far to much. If able those on welfare should be made to earn there benefits, cleaning up the streets, helping the old etc.
Fewer holidays? Holidays won’t be affected as much as you think by Brexit you’ll be still able to travel to Europe for under 90days visa free.
Less workers rights- why do we have to lower the rights? We can keep them the same as they are.
Yes I am, it may take time to recover from uncertainty caused by MPs but it always does."Your missing the point, you compared us to the USA, so I pointed out that the USA have very poor workers rights they also have , chronic unemployment, horrendous crime rates and prisoner numbers and unfair and for most people , unaffordable university fees. Most of our working rights are protected by being in the EU. The welfare state is already at the bare minimum, a no deal brexit will probably lower it which will probably create a rise in crime . There are many advantages of leaving the EU but I can’t see any if we leave without a deal | |||
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" Less workers rights- why do we have to lower the rights? We don't have to - but that's what the Tories will try and do, because their ideology is that nothing comes before businesses making money (apart from Brexit, ironically)." You really believe that? so then people vote for labour who introduce more workers rights and the tories are out of a job.If you have ever run a business you will realize your workers are not the enemy they are to be treasured, as a happy workforce is a productive one.The old days of the 60s and 70s them and us are long gone along with sticking kids up chimneys although corbyn would love you to believe its still the same.Of course business is there to make a profit but if it wasn't people wouldn't have jobs. | |||
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"MPs are there to hold the Government to account. The leadership and policies elected by the people in 2017 have been swept away and replaced by something very different. At a time when the country is in the midst of the biggest crisis in most people's lifetimes, MPs need to hold the government to account more than ever. MPs are being locked out. It is a coup. " No the MP's have broken there own rules and are just trying to stop the democratic process,Corbyn 48 hours ago wanted to set up a non elected government with other parties,he failed of course,so Corbyn started this and Johnson has pulled a counter attack,yes a dirty trick but maybe when fighting left wing scum you have to get nasty | |||
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"MPs are there to hold the Government to account. The leadership and policies elected by the people in 2017 have been swept away and replaced by something very different. At a time when the country is in the midst of the biggest crisis in most people's lifetimes, MPs need to hold the government to account more than ever. MPs are being locked out. It is a coup. No the MP's have broken there own rules and are just trying to stop the democratic process,Corbyn 48 hours ago wanted to set up a non elected government with other parties,he failed of course,so Corbyn started this and Johnson has pulled a counter attack,yes a dirty trick but maybe when fighting left wing scum you have to get nasty" LOL, left wing scum... What wing scum are you | |||
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"Poor old queenie. Her kingdom is a banana republic. " Except we don’t grow bananas.... | |||
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"Poor old queenie. Her kingdom is a banana republic. Except we don’t grow bananas...." But if we did they would have the right amount of curvature | |||
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"Who sacks the queen if she is found to have erred in law?
Can a court even do so?"The Queen cannot be sacked as she acts on the advice of government, even though the government is formed in her name. Therefore if the government of the day offers bad advice, as the only advice she has to act on that information and trust it is the just and proper thing to do. Constitutionally her hands are tied by the will of government (which you can blame on Oliver Cromwell) | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ??" This is why there should never have been a referendum in the first place. The scale of the misunderstanding around the EU is staggering. | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? This is why there should never have been a referendum in the first place. No misunderstandings, I trade across Europe !! Brexit is the best thing for the country! You will see in 5 yrs time... The scale of the misunderstanding around the EU is staggering." | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, " Fucking hell your ballot paper must have had more info on the Leave sentence than mine did | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Name one of the above that either farage or the gov have said they are even "thinking" about removing or reducing, put up or shut up" Steady on. I'm not the one here who is behind brexit. Seeing as you asked for one example. I'll pick food safety standards are currently up for negotiation for a US trade deal. | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Funny how the uks emission targets are better than the eu,s right now so why would they remove them when we leave? we could have the same targets as the eu but the uk,s are more ambitious your argument doesnt stack up." So then why are we leaving? In this one example, you can see that we are free to do what we like. Although to be honest, the UK is falling way behind our CO2 emission targets. | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Name one of the above that either farage or the gov have said they are even "thinking" about removing or reducing, put up or shut up Steady on. I'm not the one here who is behind brexit. Seeing as you asked for one example. I'll pick food safety standards are currently up for negotiation for a US trade deal." Incorrect the us want us to take chlorine washed chicken, the uk hasn't said if it will or wont, the only reason it is banned in the eu is for protection reasons. I assume you do realise that ALL public water supplies are chlorinated in the uk, chlorine is used to control bacteria in swimming pools, it is also used to sanitize most dairy plants etc, it has NO health issues, it is used in the US to kill any salmonella and other bacteria on the chicken. I'm afraid you have fallen for a load of bull relieving it to be dangerous or unhealthy | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Name one of the above that either farage or the gov have said they are even "thinking" about removing or reducing, put up or shut up Steady on. I'm not the one here who is behind brexit. Seeing as you asked for one example. I'll pick food safety standards are currently up for negotiation for a US trade deal. Incorrect the us want us to take chlorine washed chicken, the uk hasn't said if it will or wont, the only reason it is banned in the eu is for protection reasons. I assume you do realise that ALL public water supplies are chlorinated in the uk, chlorine is used to control bacteria in swimming pools, it is also used to sanitize most dairy plants etc, it has NO health issues, it is used in the US to kill any salmonella and other bacteria on the chicken. I'm afraid you have fallen for a load of bull relieving it to be dangerous or unhealthy " Chlorinated chicken is a red herring. The main issue with US produced meat and dairy is the growth hormones used. They are currently illegal in the EU. Fast Food Nation, by Eric Schlosser is a good read if you're genuinely interested in the US food industry. | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Funny how the uks emission targets are better than the eu,s right now so why would they remove them when we leave? we could have the same targets as the eu but the uk,s are more ambitious your argument doesnt stack up. So then why are we leaving? In this one example, you can see that we are free to do what we like. Although to be honest, the UK is falling way behind our CO2 emission targets. " Shh Brexit voters do not like facts or logic | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Name one of the above that either farage or the gov have said they are even "thinking" about removing or reducing, put up or shut up Steady on. I'm not the one here who is behind brexit. Seeing as you asked for one example. I'll pick food safety standards are currently up for negotiation for a US trade deal. Incorrect the us want us to take chlorine washed chicken, the uk hasn't said if it will or wont, the only reason it is banned in the eu is for protection reasons. I assume you do realise that ALL public water supplies are chlorinated in the uk, chlorine is used to control bacteria in swimming pools, it is also used to sanitize most dairy plants etc, it has NO health issues, it is used in the US to kill any salmonella and other bacteria on the chicken. I'm afraid you have fallen for a load of bull relieving it to be dangerous or unhealthy " Hormones, please fill me on upon the us rules on GM and hormone use ? | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEP And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Name one of the above that either farage or the gov have said they are even "thinking" about removing or reducing, put up or shut up Steady on. I'm not the one here who is behind brexit. Seeing as you asked for one example. I'll pick food safety standards are currently up for negotiation for a US trade deal. Incorrect the us want us to take chlorine washed chicken, the uk hasn't said if it will or wont, the only reason it is banned in the eu is for protection reasons. I assume you do realise that ALL public water supplies are chlorinated in the uk, chlorine is used to control bacteria in swimming pools, it is also used to sanitize most dairy plants etc, it has NO health issues, it is used in the US to kill any salmonella and other bacteria on the chicken. I'm afraid you have fallen for a load of bull relieving it to be dangerous or unhealthy Hormones, please fill me on upon the us rules on GM and hormone use ? " Maybe this poster would enjoy reading up on the effects of consuming Estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, zeranol, melengestrol acetate and trenbolone. In any case, I was challenged to give an example of a standard or protection that is being discussed for reduction. I believe I've don't that. In anycase. Isn't this the main point of brexit? I thought the whole point was to "remove red tape", "take back control" and other meaningless slogans. | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Name one of the above that either farage or the gov have said they are even "thinking" about removing or reducing, put up or shut up Steady on. I'm not the one here who is behind brexit. Seeing as you asked for one example. I'll pick food safety standards are currently up for negotiation for a US trade deal. Incorrect the us want us to take chlorine washed chicken, the uk hasn't said if it will or wont, the only reason it is banned in the eu is for protection reasons. I assume you do realise that ALL public water supplies are chlorinated in the uk, chlorine is used to control bacteria in swimming pools, it is also used to sanitize most dairy plants etc, it has NO health issues, it is used in the US to kill any salmonella and other bacteria on the chicken. I'm afraid you have fallen for a load of bull relieving it to be dangerous or unhealthy Chlorinated chicken is a red herring. The main issue with US produced meat and dairy is the growth hormones used. They are currently illegal in the EU. Fast Food Nation, by Eric Schlosser is a good read if you're genuinely interested in the US food industry. " So you agree that the principle reason quoted about us food being bad is wrong, as for BST used in dairy cows it has been approved by the WHO, most issues are concerned with the cows welfare not human health. I note you haven't quoted one thing that the Gov has proposed we should lower eu regs on | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Name one of the above that either farage or the gov have said they are even "thinking" about removing or reducing, put up or shut up Steady on. I'm not the one here who is behind brexit. Seeing as you asked for one example. I'll pick food safety standards are currently up for negotiation for a US trade deal. Incorrect the us want us to take chlorine washed chicken, the uk hasn't said if it will or wont, the only reason it is banned in the eu is for protection reasons. I assume you do realise that ALL public water supplies are chlorinated in the uk, chlorine is used to control bacteria in swimming pools, it is also used to sanitize most dairy plants etc, it has NO health issues, it is used in the US to kill any salmonella and other bacteria on the chicken. I'm afraid you have fallen for a load of bull relieving it to be dangerous or unhealthy Chlorinated chicken is a red herring. The main issue with US produced meat and dairy is the growth hormones used. They are currently illegal in the EU. Fast Food Nation, by Eric Schlosser is a good read if you're genuinely interested in the US food industry. So you agree that the principle reason quoted about us food being bad is wrong, as for BST used in dairy cows it has been approved by the WHO, most issues are concerned with the cows welfare not human health. I note you haven't quoted one thing that the Gov has proposed we should lower eu regs on " I don't agree. As specifically layed out above. I have given you one specific example of proposed reduction in standards. As requested. Why are you asking me all this stuff? I'm clearly against brexit. | |||
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"Great news, we can now leave like we voted for, yes it will be turbulent but we can crack on and rule our own country again without Europe throwing red tape and bureaucratic rules at us. God save the qeen. ?? You do realise we need rules and regulations, and that the more we standardize, the more efficient we are ? Please look at how using different gauge rail lines does not work for a clear analogy But have fun with whitworth We are replacing eu red tape with great British blue tape. Just don't ask where its produced. EU "red tape" was voted for by the British elected MEPs. And as pointed out. It's mostly good. When Farage, Johnson etc are talking about removing "red tape", they're talking about workers rights, environmental protection, emmisions targets etc. Name one of the above that either farage or the gov have said they are even "thinking" about removing or reducing, put up or shut up Steady on. I'm not the one here who is behind brexit. Seeing as you asked for one example. I'll pick food safety standards are currently up for negotiation for a US trade deal. Incorrect the us want us to take chlorine washed chicken, the uk hasn't said if it will or wont, the only reason it is banned in the eu is for protection reasons. I assume you do realise that ALL public water supplies are chlorinated in the uk, chlorine is used to control bacteria in swimming pools, it is also used to sanitize most dairy plants etc, it has NO health issues, it is used in the US to kill any salmonella and other bacteria on the chicken. I'm afraid you have fallen for a load of bull relieving it to be dangerous or unhealthy " Hmmm....I seem to recall there being a company in Birmingham a few years back who were washing condemned (rotting) chicken with chlorine ( bleach) on an industrial scale before selling it to the restaurant trade and then being prosecuted by trading standards. I guess pre-washing would make it all better | |||
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" Chlorinated chicken, or chlorine-washed chicken, refers to poultry that has been treated with antimicrobial rinses in order to remove harmful bacteria. These rinses — often referred to as Pathogen Reduction Treatments (PRTs) in the industry — are designed to kill potentially harmful organisms such as E. coli, salmonella and campylobacter on the surface of the chicken. Advocates of the EU’s so-called “farm to fork” or “plough to plate” approach argue that it leads to higher standards of hygiene and animal welfare. That’s because farmers must take care at every stage of the process rather than relying on a chemical bath to destroy harmful bacteria after chickens are slaughtered. “We’ve got concerns that if you focus on the end process, you’re more likely to be lax when it comes to observing any risks prior to that,” Gail Soutar, chief EU exit and international trade adviser of Britain’s National Farmers Union (NFU) " That's the issue with American chicken. | |||
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"Because we have higher standards then the eu minimum in one area does not mean we will continue to be above the minimums in all areas. Furthermore if the eu take steps to raise bars, we may not follow suit, so get left behind. Asking where the government is planning to reduce standards is slightly silly. They are not going to publicise this as a policy, not while brexit is still up for debate." For sure. And a key point is, the EU aren't stopping us from having better standards. They're only stopping us from having lower standards. | |||
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"The safest option would be to give up meat after brexit. " Way ahead on that. Meanwhile Brexit voters can chow down on their hormone filled burgers and remain in blissful ignorance, until their health starts to suffer, when suddenly they need the NHS, which is going down the toilet with the food safety standards and the last of the medical supplies. | |||
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"When the Referendum debate first started to run, issues of chlorinated chicken and emissions were the furthest from peoples tongues. Issues that were spoken most about were Russian intent, security, possibly influence on world finance. Much as the pound is tested with every announcement and Salisbury was probably last mentioned at the security council meeting, these issues are now not talked about at all. I'm pretty sure people/ministers haven't forgotten but there seems a lot of bones being tossed around when there are legitimate macro issues still to be resolved in a very short period. " I think mainly because it's so blinding obvious, that people didn't think it was worth talking about. I for one, completely underestimated the scale of the ignorance around the EU, what it is and how it works. Just reading this form, it's astounding what people believe, despite all the information available to them. | |||
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"You can see by the posts that remainders are going ape shit now time is running out unnoticed the bile a while back can't wait till it gets closer this site will explode lol Are you not alarmed about Brexit and the current rush by Boris towards a no deal brexit?" I voted leave would of preferred a deal but looks like a no deal I doubt it will make much of a difference to my or most pls life's tho either way I can see by yr posts yr shitting yrself but honestly mate yr life won't change yr just scared of change | |||
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"You can see by the posts that remainders are going ape shit now time is running out unnoticed the bile a while back can't wait till it gets closer this site will explode lol " I am all for democracy though I cannot see sense in autocracy, which I suspect it will turn into as your leader has to impose will - if it goes ahead. Brexiteers and brexit voters don't know what brexit they want. | |||
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"You can see by the posts that remainders are going ape shit now time is running out unnoticed the bile a while back can't wait till it gets closer this site will explode lol Are you not alarmed about Brexit and the current rush by Boris towards a no deal brexit? I voted leave would of preferred a deal but looks like a no deal I doubt it will make much of a difference to my or most pls life's tho either way I can see by yr posts yr shitting yrself but honestly mate yr life won't change yr just scared of change " You've made a lot of incorrect assumptions about me. I love positive change. And dislike negative change. No one has presented any positives for the UK leaving with either a soft or hard brexit. If there are any. Now would be a good time. | |||
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"There may well be positives out there in the big wide world but we need to leave to find them no one really knows what awaits us I think that's the problem for people like me. The vast array of negatives are clear and obvious. But the positives aren't defined or known." well can you tell us how yr life will change for the negative then ? | |||
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"There may well be positives out there in the big wide world but we need to leave to find them no one really knows what awaits us I think that's the problem for people like me. The vast array of negatives are clear and obvious. But the positives aren't defined or known.well can you tell us how yr life will change for the negative then ?" Stuff we buy will likely go up in price as tarrifs etc are introduced. Any hit on gdp will reduce tax income and therefore either see taxes go up, or spend go down. Id imagine those in companies more exposed to European trade will be looking on nervously. I can't see they'd expect to see an up tick. Id imagine those in Ireland are a but nervous too. | |||
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"There may well be positives out there in the big wide world but we need to leave to find them no one really knows what awaits us I think that's the problem for people like me. The vast array of negatives are clear and obvious. But the positives aren't defined or known.well can you tell us how yr life will change for the negative then ? Stuff we buy will likely go up in price as tarrifs etc are introduced. Any hit on gdp will reduce tax income and therefore either see taxes go up, or spend go down. Id imagine those in companies more exposed to European trade will be looking on nervously. I can't see they'd expect to see an up tick. Id imagine those in Ireland are a but nervous too. " What a load of crap. Imagine didn't John Lennon write that ? | |||
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"There may well be positives out there in the big wide world but we need to leave to find them no one really knows what awaits us " Makes you wonder someone thought a transition phase would be the sensible way to find out, eh? | |||
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