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By *abio OP   Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

this bojo govt are trying to spend money like its out of fashion... trying to set up for a snap general election... but beware the "jedi mind tricks" they are trying to pull in their big spending announcement....

a) the police....

the Claim: 20,000 more police within the next 3 yrs...

the fact: 20,000 policemen are due to retire in the next 3 yrs......

b) the NHS.....

The Claim: £1.85bn extra.....

the Fact:... not exactly the 350m per week promised on the side of the bus

plus £1 bil of that is already announced money.....

plus when asked where the other 850 mil is coming from they said "we don't know"

c) Prisons..........

The Claim: 10,000 more spaces will be available

the Fact: same claim made in 2015 by Gove... and 2016 by liz truss... and in the 2017 tory manifesto......

only 3,000 extra spaces have been built so far.....

so when this general election comes around... just beware of the "money tree shaking" that happens......

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Not as big as the labour money tree fact,so still a safer bet

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Not as big as the labour money tree fact,so still a safer bet"

And Sajid Javid's £100m infrastructure fund?

(which is actually a very good idea when the Government can borrow for next to nothing)

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

* £100 billion

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

No mind trick a blind man can see there is going to be an election as soon as we are out on the 31st oct.Labour and the lib/dems can see it too but dont have anything to counter it with.Boris will have a bigger majority once the brexit party are made redundant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS". "

It doesn't change the fact that NHS won't get the money.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

It doesn't change the fact that NHS won't get the money. "

No reason why the NHS wouldn’t receive money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think I could bring myself to vote for anyone other than the Lib Dems now, I used to be a Tory voter but not while this generation are still there.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"I don't think I could bring myself to vote for anyone other than the Lib Dems now, I used to be a Tory voter but not while this generation are still there. "
Thats the great thing about living in a democratic society you have the right to decide who you vote for.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS". "

It didn't say 'could fund the NHS'. It said 'let's fund our nhs instead'. It was a slogan used by the official Leave campaign to sell the idea that leaving the EU could be beneficial to the NHS.

To argue that it was merely a suggestion with no obligation to follow up on it is pretty weak.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS". "

"Let's send it to the NHS instead"

or something like that

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

It doesn't change the fact that NHS won't get the money.

No reason why the NHS wouldn’t receive money"

It will be privatised when there's a UK - US deal.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

What ever the bus said, or if it’s right or wrong, each party makes promises they can’t keep since the dawn of politics

In that respect all parties are the same

Is that right ? God no. Is it true ? Yes

If any elected party gets half there promises or policies done that’s pretty much considered success

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS". "
correct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

correct"

Nope

"We send the EU £350 Million a week"

"Let's fund our NHS instead"

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"What ever the bus said, or if it’s right or wrong, each party makes promises they can’t keep since the dawn of politics

In that respect all parties are the same

Is that right ? God no. Is it true ? Yes

If any elected party gets half there promises or policies done that’s pretty much considered success"

Your definition of success differs from mine.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

correct

Nope

"We send the EU £350 Million a week"

"Let's fund our NHS instead"

"

. This is the correct version , I've just seen a photo , so forget the would and could it's definitely let's ,,,,,,,,, I think the other side of the bus which we never see said " we hope the planes will still fly , if you are ill you might still get your tablets , we'll have our new passports made in France ,, ferry companies don't need boats ,, and ... If anyone has a clue what to do with Ireland please flag down the bus at the next stop and let us know all suggestions welcome "

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"What ever the bus said, or if it’s right or wrong, each party makes promises they can’t keep since the dawn of politics

In that respect all parties are the same

Is that right ? God no. Is it true ? Yes

If any elected party gets half there promises or policies done that’s pretty much considered success

Your definition of success differs from mine."

Yay wonder which one is talking tonight ,, didn’t say that was my definition did I ??

Apart from that section was anything else I said there that was incorrect?

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By *he feckersCouple
over a year ago

rosyth

Tory voters are scum so I'd you vote Tory feel free to block Anyone that is happy to vote for a party responsible for 130000 deaths, a massive increase in foodbanks,the total disgrace that is universal credit, the national debt despite the fake austerity policies can do one

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Tory voters are scum so I'd you vote Tory feel free to block Anyone that is happy to vote for a party responsible for 130000 deaths, a massive increase in foodbanks,the total disgrace that is universal credit, the national debt despite the fake austerity policies can do one "
Yeah block them that will teach then.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Tory voters are scum so I'd you vote Tory feel free to block Anyone that is happy to vote for a party responsible for 130000 deaths, a massive increase in foodbanks,the total disgrace that is universal credit, the national debt despite the fake austerity policies can do one "

In that case I’m voting the Green Party, don’t think they are responsible for any deaths

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt


"this bojo govt are trying to spend money like its out of fashion... trying to set up for a snap general election... but beware the "jedi mind tricks" they are trying to pull in their big spending announcement....

a) the police....

the Claim: 20,000 more police within the next 3 yrs...

the fact: 20,000 policemen are due to retire in the next 3 yrs......

b) the NHS.....

The Claim: £1.85bn extra.....

the Fact:... not exactly the 350m per week promised on the side of the bus

plus £1 bil of that is already announced money.....

plus when asked where the other 850 mil is coming from they said "we don't know"

c) Prisons..........

The Claim: 10,000 more spaces will be available

the Fact: same claim made in 2015 by Gove... and 2016 by liz truss... and in the 2017 tory manifesto......

only 3,000 extra spaces have been built so far.....

so when this general election comes around... just beware of the "money tree shaking" that happens......"

.

And we should believe what you say “because” ???

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS". correct"

Not correct.....in fact incorrect

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

correct

Nope

"We send the EU £350 Million a week"

"Let's fund our NHS instead"

"

Yes, happy to have that corrected.

The wording still (rather cleverly) didn't infer a firm promise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

correct

Nope

"We send the EU £350 Million a week"

"Let's fund our NHS instead"

Yes, happy to have that corrected.

The wording still (rather cleverly) didn't infer a firm promise.

"

Indeed, they aren't that daft

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd love to see the detail behind their proposals...

Let's stop more people (partly to get more arrests)... Let's get more convictions.... And when we convict keep them in for longer...

So that should be a chunk more people in prison at any one time.

Yet 10,000 places just about gets prisons back to being just safely overcrowded (I think)

So I fear we will make a bad position worse as everything is being done piecemeal.

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By *ande11Man
over a year ago

minehead

Naked electioneering by Boris ..stealing Farage/Brexit ground.….discuss...

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Naked electioneering by Boris ..stealing Farage/Brexit ground.….discuss... "
Of course he is,as soon as we are out the brexit party are redundant and boris will mop up all their votes.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

EY is reporting a survey which found over half the firms in the City will move their UK business abroad on Day 1 of a No Deal exit. The most popular location is New York.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"EY is reporting a survey which found over half the firms in the City will move their UK business abroad on Day 1 of a No Deal exit. The most popular location is New York."

Heard these threats before....

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

EY also flagging up something else.

In the event of No Deal, the UK becomes a "third country".

That means migration from the UK to any EU27 country becomes a national competence, not an EU one.

Each country sets it's own rules, with it's own interpretation.

The default is no return with 180 days after a visit of up to 90 days.

The CBI sees this as a serious problem.

At the moment, an engineer in the UK can travel to Italy as often as they want to fix an engine, without any need for work permits or restriction on return.

Free movement ends on Oct 31 and business will have to navigate work permits on a country by country basis.

The CBI warns this will be a problem on day 1.

"If it becomes clear that no deal is to be a permanent state, businesses which rely on sending their staff to the EU - particularly service exporters and international companies with their European headquarters in the UK - will consider relocating operations, activity and jobs to the EU."

Taking back control of your border works both ways.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

90 day consecutive stay - 90 days after you exit before you can return

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

And if you are travelling in and out every second week to fix plant your country sold them?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Cumulative 90 days in a 180 day period

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, so that type of person is screwed.

They will need a work permit for each country they visit.

Each country will have its own interpretations and definitions.

Manufacturers, city types etc.

I wonder how many businesses are ready for all that red tape?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And if you are travelling in and out every second week to fix plant your country sold them?"
.

If it takes you 3 months to fix things you sold them I reckon they won't be buying from you again.

Business is like that .

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Yes, so that type of person is screwed.

They will need a work permit for each country they visit.

Each country will have its own interpretations and definitions.

Manufacturers, city types etc.

I wonder how many businesses are ready for all that red tape?"

No

That kind of person gets a business visa, in the same way they would when doing business in any other country that requires it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, so that type of person is screwed.

They will need a work permit for each country they visit.

Each country will have its own interpretations and definitions.

Manufacturers, city types etc.

I wonder how many businesses are ready for all that red tape?"

Would we then be offering reciprocal terms?

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over a year ago

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Yes, so that type of person is screwed.

They will need a work permit for each country they visit.

Each country will have its own interpretations and definitions.

Manufacturers, city types etc.

I wonder how many businesses are ready for all that red tape?

No

That kind of person gets a business visa, in the same way they would when doing business in any other country that requires it.

"

For every country, yes. Red tape where none exists.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Yes, so that type of person is screwed.

They will need a work permit for each country they visit.

Each country will have its own interpretations and definitions.

Manufacturers, city types etc.

I wonder how many businesses are ready for all that red tape?

Would we then be offering reciprocal terms?"

It's all about ending the freedom of movement into the UK, isn't it?

In the absence of any European-wide transition agreement, the migration rules are set on a country by country basis.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Yes, so that type of person is screwed.

They will need a work permit for each country they visit.

Each country will have its own interpretations and definitions.

Manufacturers, city types etc.

I wonder how many businesses are ready for all that red tape?

No

That kind of person gets a business visa, in the same way they would when doing business in any other country that requires it.

For every country, yes. Red tape where none exists."

You are over inflating this - really!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Not me.

The info above is from the CBI.

Warning from EY in today's FT that business is not prepared for staff being turned away at borders from Nov 1 because they do not have the right paperwork for that country.

"As of November 1, assuming a No Deal exit, businesses will have to navigate red lines across each of the EU27. This is a sea change for UK business used to the flexibility that has come with free movement," said EY.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

It doesn't change the fact that NHS won't get the money. "

Strange though that since that slogan appeared on the side of that bus, our government has increased NHS funding by £380 million per week, but nobody makes a song and dance about it because nobody ever made any political capital out of praising a government for delivering on promises kept

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Not me.

The info above is from the CBI.

Warning from EY in today's FT that business is not prepared for staff being turned away at borders from Nov 1 because they do not have the right paperwork for that country.

"As of November 1, assuming a No Deal exit, businesses will have to navigate red lines across each of the EU27. This is a sea change for UK business used to the flexibility that has come with free movement," said EY.

"

Business folk will still be able to fly to the Eu on day 1 .

They will not be turned away

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

It doesn't change the fact that NHS won't get the money.

Strange though that since that slogan appeared on the side of that bus, our government has increased NHS funding by £380 million per week, but nobody makes a song and dance about it because nobody ever made any political capital out of praising a government for delivering on promises kept"

Er, no. The additional money is spread over 5 years until 2023, so it is yet to make any real difference.

And the higher inflation surges - food prices alone are expected to surge 10 per cent on no deal - the more the extra spending is eroded by Brexit.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

It doesn't change the fact that NHS won't get the money.

Strange though that since that slogan appeared on the side of that bus, our government has increased NHS funding by £380 million per week, but nobody makes a song and dance about it because nobody ever made any political capital out of praising a government for delivering on promises kept

Er, no. The additional money is spread over 5 years until 2023, so it is yet to make any real difference.

And the higher inflation surges - food prices alone are expected to surge 10 per cent on no deal - the more the extra spending is eroded by Brexit."

so bloody negative,you only ever believe the big negative fantasy lies of remainers

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS". "

And we're all sure it said £350 million a week extra that we COULD spend. It's the £350 million extra that is the lie, not that, if it existed, we could spend it on the NHS.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

correct

Nope

"We send the EU £350 Million a week"

"Let's fund our NHS instead"

Yes, happy to have that corrected.

The wording still (rather deceitfully) didn't infer a firm promise.

"

Fixed it for you!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

And we're all sure it said £350 million a week extra that we COULD spend. It's the £350 million extra that is the lie, not that, if it existed, we could spend it on the NHS.

"

i cannot believe people are still banging on about what was written on the side of a bus.Did this sign persuade you to vote leave and you now regret it?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

It doesn't change the fact that NHS won't get the money.

Strange though that since that slogan appeared on the side of that bus, our government has increased NHS funding by £380 million per week, but nobody makes a song and dance about it because nobody ever made any political capital out of praising a government for delivering on promises kept

Er, no. The additional money is spread over 5 years until 2023, so it is yet to make any real difference.

And the higher inflation surges - food prices alone are expected to surge 10 per cent on no deal - the more the extra spending is eroded by Brexit.so bloody negative,you only ever believe the big negative fantasy lies of remainers"

Which bit is a lie:

a) the £20bn is spread over 5 years

b) the Cabinet was advised to expect food prices to rise 10 per cent on a no deal

I could add in the expected depreciation of the £ adding to inflation, but let's start with those two.

Which is a lie?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I'm sure the famous bus said "could fund the NHS", and not "will fund the NHS".

It doesn't change the fact that NHS won't get the money.

Strange though that since that slogan appeared on the side of that bus, our government has increased NHS funding by £380 million per week, but nobody makes a song and dance about it because nobody ever made any political capital out of praising a government for delivering on promises kept

Er, no. The additional money is spread over 5 years until 2023, so it is yet to make any real difference.

And the higher inflation surges - food prices alone are expected to surge 10 per cent on no deal - the more the extra spending is eroded by Brexit.so bloody negative,you only ever believe the big negative fantasy lies of remainers

Which bit is a lie:

a) the £20bn is spread over 5 years

b) the Cabinet was advised to expect food prices to rise 10 per cent on a no deal

I could add in the expected depreciation of the £ adding to inflation, but let's start with those two.

Which is a lie?"

You should know by now that anything that doesn't go along with the vision of a new post BREXIT Britain, stronger and more powerful in the world, is a lie.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It seems to me there are still people clinging to the idea you can keep the benefits of being in the single market without being in the EU.

The single market being made of four indivisible freedoms.

As of Nov 1, and in the absence of the Withdrawal Agreement, the UK will be treated the same as any other third country with no preferential arrangement.

That might be a rude awakening for some.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so let me get this straight:-

more money for nhs

more money for farmers

more money for fishermen

more money for police

more money for prisons

who else is getting more money,I keep forgetting.

It's certainly not me and I've never been close to this £450 pw week average wage I've just heard of!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"so let me get this straight:-

more money for nhs

more money for farmers

more money for fishermen

more money for police

more money for prisons

who else is getting more money,I keep forgetting.

It's certainly not me and I've never been close to this £450 pw week average wage I've just heard of!"

Maybe time for a career change.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Don't say you weren't warned.

Johnson's record is one of trying to be all things to all people, throwing promises about like confetti.

And as soon as someone asks what happened to this promise or that promise, he'll throw out some more to distract you.

As a strategy, it works in the short-term. But eventually enough people begin to realise how vacuous a character he actually is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so let me get this straight:-

more money for nhs

more money for farmers

more money for fishermen

more money for police

more money for prisons

who else is getting more money,I keep forgetting.

It's certainly not me and I've never been close to this £450 pw week average wage I've just heard of!Maybe time for a career change."

nice deflection and avoiding.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Don't say you weren't warned.

Johnson's record is one of trying to be all things to all people, throwing promises about like confetti.

And as soon as someone asks what happened to this promise or that promise, he'll throw out some more to distract you.

As a strategy, it works in the short-term. But eventually enough people begin to realise how vacuous a character he actually is."

Yep just long enough to win the next election,corbyn tried it last time but his spending plan was off the scale so much as to become unbelievable.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

Jedi mind tricks? Is that because they know The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"

but beware the "jedi mind tricks" they are trying to pull in their big spending announcement..

"

I think this is "fake news". If for no other reason than that it presupposes that those it's meant to work on actually have minds to trick in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so let me get this straight:-

more money for nhs

more money for farmers

more money for fishermen

more money for police

more money for prisons

who else is getting more money,I keep forgetting.

It's certainly not me and I've never been close to this £450 pw week average wage I've just heard of!"

.

According to the UN review on child poverty your in poverty if you earn less than £370 a week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so let me get this straight:-

more money for nhs

more money for farmers

more money for fishermen

more money for police

more money for prisons

who else is getting more money,I keep forgetting.

It's certainly not me and I've never been close to this £450 pw week average wage I've just heard of!.

According to the UN review on child poverty your in poverty if you earn less than £370 a week."

Thankfully I just have a cat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so let me get this straight:-

more money for nhs

more money for farmers

more money for fishermen

more money for police

more money for prisons

who else is getting more money,I keep forgetting.

It's certainly not me and I've never been close to this £450 pw week average wage I've just heard of!.

According to the UN review on child poverty your in poverty if you earn less than £370 a week.

Thankfully I just have a cat."

.

Poor pussy, have you considered putting it up for adoption

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