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"The Conservative Party is dubbed the Self-Servative Party for a good reason. " I would have thought if it was self serving he would just keep taking the money instead of trying to cut himself off from it.Now im not a farmer but he must have more knowledge of it if he is trying to get out getting eu subsidies ask yourself why. | |||
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"Did you really fall for the line that £350m a week will be spent on the NHS instead of the EU? You and I will continue to pay Cummings and the like £3 billion a year post-Brexit. About 48 Parliamentarians are raking in £5.7m in subsidies. One MP, Richard Drax, pockets over £400,000 a year. None of them will be voting to change that. " Yes read the same article 48 mp,s and peers but cant find a breakdown of which parties they represent but did find 3 anti brexit tories are receiving a hell of a lot of money so will agree they are self serving. | |||
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"This Cummings fella seems to be wielding quite a bit of power at the top of government circles , does anyone know how many votes he got ? " Probably the same number as Alistair Campbell in the Blair government  | |||
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"This Cummings fella seems to be wielding quite a bit of power at the top of government circles , does anyone know how many votes he got ? Probably the same number as Alistair Campbell in the Blair government ". But I thought leaving the EU was to stop un-elected people having any contoll | |||
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"The Queen pockets over £500,000 in EU farm subsidies. " 1 in 5 billionaires and millionaires on the uk,s 100 rich list are receiving eu subsidies i cant see how you can be defending this surely the money should be going to struggling farmers not multi millionaires. | |||
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"This Cummings fella seems to be wielding quite a bit of power at the top of government circles , does anyone know how many votes he got ? Probably the same number as Alistair Campbell in the Blair government . But I thought leaving the EU was to stop un-elected people having any contoll "Seems to be the stock reply these days “ oh but I thought leaving the EU was to stop/change/take back etc etc etc... blah blah | |||
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"This Cummings fella seems to be wielding quite a bit of power at the top of government circles , does anyone know how many votes he got ? Probably the same number as Alistair Campbell in the Blair government . But I thought leaving the EU was to stop un-elected people having any contoll
Seems to be the stock reply these days “ oh but I thought leaving the EU was to stop/change/take back etc etc etc... blah blah ". But I thought it was , I must have been mistaken | |||
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"The Queen pockets over £500,000 in EU farm subsidies. 1 in 5 billionaires and millionaires on the uk,s 100 rich list are receiving eu subsidies i cant see how you can be defending this surely the money should be going to struggling farmers not multi millionaires. " In a thread about agriculture, a straw man is quite appropriate. | |||
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"This Cummings fella seems to be wielding quite a bit of power at the top of government circles , does anyone know how many votes he got ? Probably the same number as Alistair Campbell in the Blair government . But I thought leaving the EU was to stop un-elected people having any contoll
Seems to be the stock reply these days “ oh but I thought leaving the EU was to stop/change/take back etc etc etc... blah blah . But I thought it was , I must have been mistaken "Yes | |||
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"This Cummings fella seems to be wielding quite a bit of power at the top of government circles , does anyone know how many votes he got ? Probably the same number as Alistair Campbell in the Blair government . But I thought leaving the EU was to stop un-elected people having any contoll
Seems to be the stock reply these days “ oh but I thought leaving the EU was to stop/change/take back etc etc etc... blah blah . But I thought it was , I must have been mistaken
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"It reminds me of the campaign to abolish slavery. Those who were profiting most from ownership of "property" in the Carrabean were Parliamentarians. They resisted for years and years, claiming abolition would give France an unfair advantage. It was only when the level of public disgust reached such a crescendo that they felt threatened enough to give in and pass legislation to gradually phase it out. Not before attaching a clause to the legislation to compensate owners for the loss of their "property". The compensation was equivalent to 40 % of the Government's annual budget and was borrowed from the markets. The slave-owners became exceedingly rich as a result of abolition. You and I finally paid off the debt just before the 2015 General Election. " So was that to higher price to pay for the abolition? After Great Britain abolished it the rest of the world followed shortly after so something to be proud of even if it cost the country a lot of money. | |||
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"Parliament defined the enslaved workers as "property" and decided the owners were entitled to compensation for their loss. Parliament was full of land-owners and bishops who owned such "property". They got very rich as a result of legislation they passed. The slaves got nothing." All very true but slavery had been going on since the birth of man and Britain was a driving force to ending that so although the slaves got nothing their children and grandchildren did not have to suffer the same fate.No compensation for them i grant you and not fair in our modern society but just imagine it must have been a world changer for them at the time.Its all well looking back and seeing the injustices through our eyes today but we were in the forefront of ending a diabolical trade and paying to end it was a price worth paying in my eyes. | |||
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"I think you will find that forced labour remained a feature of British colonial rule for some time to come. It just wasn't as barbaric as the slave trade. " So are you telling me it was a price not worth paying or was it a price worth paying? as you keep posting but i cant see your position on it.Im saying whatever it cost it was worth it and to get back to the original post if we have to keep paying rich farmers subsidies for another few years until we can get this mess sorted it will be worth it too. | |||
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"This Cummings fella seems to be wielding quite a bit of power at the top of government circles , does anyone know how many votes he got ? Probably the same number as Alistair Campbell in the Blair government . But I thought leaving the EU was to stop un-elected people having any contoll
Seems to be the stock reply these days “ oh but I thought leaving the EU was to stop/change/take back etc etc etc... blah blah . But I thought it was , I must have been mistaken
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"Parliament defined the enslaved workers as "property" and decided the owners were entitled to compensation for their loss. Parliament was full of land-owners and bishops who owned such "property". They got very rich as a result of legislation they passed. The slaves got nothing." Except their freedom, which is what the whole thing was about in the first place. | |||
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""Boris Johnson’s controversial enforcer, Dominic Cummings, an architect of Brexit and a fierce critic of Brussels, is co-owner of a farm that has received €250,000 (£235,000) in EU farming subsidies, the Observer can reveal. The revelation is a potential embarrassment for the mastermind behind Johnson’s push to leave the EU by 31 October. Since being appointed as Johnson’s chief adviser, Cummings has presented the battle to leave the EU as one between the people and the politicians. He positions himself as an outsider who wants to demolish elites, end the “absurd subsidies” paid out by the EU and liberate the UK from its arcane rules and regulations" Another example of greed, hypocrisy and idiocy among brexshitters. It's hard to understand that with such passion they want to destroy country and take money from the EU in the past and now. These morons know well what awaits the UK after leaving the EU without a contract. I am only surprised people who are probably intelligent that they gave themselves to brainwash so easily. It's like a fucking plague. How people must be blind to believe in all these idiocy. " On the face of it I don't see Cumming's position as hypocritical, in fact quite the opposite. He is backing the removal of something that his family currently benefit from which means he's backing something which, if he's successful, will not benefit him. I don't agree with him but a really don't see any hypocrisy here. | |||
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" So are you telling me it was a price not worth paying or was it a price worth paying? as you keep posting but i cant see your position on it.Im saying whatever it cost it was worth it and to get back to the original post if we have to keep paying rich farmers subsidies for another few years until we can get this mess sorted it will be worth it too." I didn't intend to turn it into a discussion of the slave trade. I raised as a historical reference to the context of the OP thread - people in positions of power and how public policy works to their personal advantage. | |||
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""Boris Johnson’s controversial enforcer, Dominic Cummings, an architect of Brexit and a fierce critic of Brussels, is co-owner of a farm that has received €250,000 (£235,000) in EU farming subsidies, the Observer can reveal. The revelation is a potential embarrassment for the mastermind behind Johnson’s push to leave the EU by 31 October. Since being appointed as Johnson’s chief adviser, Cummings has presented the battle to leave the EU as one between the people and the politicians. He positions himself as an outsider who wants to demolish elites, end the “absurd subsidies” paid out by the EU and liberate the UK from its arcane rules and regulations" Another example of greed, hypocrisy and idiocy among brexshitters. It's hard to understand that with such passion they want to destroy country and take money from the EU in the past and now. These morons know well what awaits the UK after leaving the EU without a contract. I am only surprised people who are probably intelligent that they gave themselves to brainwash so easily. It's like a fucking plague. How people must be blind to believe in all these idiocy. On the face of it I don't see Cumming's position as hypocritical, in fact quite the opposite. He is backing the removal of something that his family currently benefit from which means he's backing something which, if he's successful, will not benefit him. I don't agree with him but a really don't see any hypocrisy here. " . I agree. The hypocrisy will depend on if and how the tories replacw these subsidies. | |||
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""Boris Johnson’s controversial enforcer, Dominic Cummings, an architect of Brexit and a fierce critic of Brussels, is co-owner of a farm that has received €250,000 (£235,000) in EU farming subsidies, the Observer can reveal. The revelation is a potential embarrassment for the mastermind behind Johnson’s push to leave the EU by 31 October. Since being appointed as Johnson’s chief adviser, Cummings has presented the battle to leave the EU as one between the people and the politicians. He positions himself as an outsider who wants to demolish elites, end the “absurd subsidies” paid out by the EU and liberate the UK from its arcane rules and regulations" Another example of greed, hypocrisy and idiocy among brexshitters. It's hard to understand that with such passion they want to destroy country and take money from the EU in the past and now. These morons know well what awaits the UK after leaving the EU without a contract. I am only surprised people who are probably intelligent that they gave themselves to brainwash so easily. It's like a fucking plague. How people must be blind to believe in all these idiocy. On the face of it I don't see Cumming's position as hypocritical, in fact quite the opposite. He is backing the removal of something that his family currently benefit from which means he's backing something which, if he's successful, will not benefit him. I don't agree with him but a really don't see any hypocrisy here. . I agree. The hypocrisy will depend on if and how the tories replacw these subsidies. " Point of view depends on the point of sitting. | |||
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"Yes, that's the story you have been brought up to believe. That Britain was glorious in its abolition of slavery. The reality is very different, as you discover when you study the history of the abolition movement. It took them decades to get Parliament to listen. In the country, anger was growing among ordinary people (who, remember, had no vote of any description). As more and more information became public about the slave trade (the most famous being the technical plan of the Bristol slave ship, showing how cruelly the slaves were kept on board) people began to wonder if the ruling class would treat them like that, too. The ruling class refused to give it up for decades. Too much money to be made from slavery. It was only the prospect of revolution that persuaded the ruling class to cave in. Even then, it was not immediate abolition but a gradual phase-out. Meanwhile, the slave-owners became stinking rich at public expense. They shared a pay-out equivalent to 40% of the Government's annual budget. 40% of today's annual budget is £328 billion. " How much was paid to the slaves in reparations.?? And their piccaninnie children born into slavery??? What did they get in compensation?? | |||
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"The debt the nation ran up - circa 1830s - the last payment on it occurred in 2015. No longer part of our national debt." I repeat my question was it a good thing or bad thing in your opinion? | |||
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"When they passed that Act, do you think the primary interest was: a) the wellbeing of the slaves Or b) the wellbeing of the slave-owners 7 years to make the transition, and here's a huge pile of cash to soften the blow of losing your plantation. " I guess B..  | |||
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"The debt the nation ran up - circa 1830s - the last payment on it occurred in 2015. No longer part of our national debt.I repeat my question was it a good thing or bad thing in your opinion?" Was what a good thing or a bad thing? The abolition of slavery? 100 per cent Yes | |||
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"The debt the nation ran up - circa 1830s - the last payment on it occurred in 2015. No longer part of our national debt.I repeat my question was it a good thing or bad thing in your opinion? Was what a good thing or a bad thing? The abolition of slavery? 100 per cent Yes " | |||
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"Germany doesn't declare itself a world leader in bringing genocide to an end. It just learns from the past. Britain thinks it deserves some sort of kudos for phasing out enslavement. Er, no. It was fecking barbaric. It was seen at the time as what the ruling class would do to you if you allowed them to get away with it. Learn from it. It is not a cause for rejoicing. " Yes we know its barbaric but we did play a big part in bringing it to an end however you look at it.You seem to want to judge everything in the past on modern day standards. It would not surprise me that in 200 years something we are doing today which we all consider normal is frowned upon and people say how on earth could they have done that.But you are getting off point again it was about subsidies for farmers so if we have to have a transition period where millionaires are still getting farm subsidies until we can sort the injustice out so be it. | |||
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"It would not surprise me that in 200 years something we are doing today which we all consider normal is frowned upon and people say how on earth could they have done that." Brekshit | |||
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