FabSwingers.com forum: How did they get it so wrong?

By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

they got it so wrong because may had no intention of trying to get a good deal.she thought if she came back with a deal that no one liked it would be easier to cancel the whole thing and she cpuld carry on as p.m. all shes managed to achive is split the country further.what ever happens now at least half the country is gona be seriously pissed off

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By *ancadamMan
over a year ago

Stockport

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then."

Didn't exactly make the EU go weak at the knees the last time they made these noises, did it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?"

Some people here really do display the most incredible capacity for presumptious babble, it fascinates myself and my friends regularly.

When we're not busy working in the real world, that is........

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Didn't exactly make the EU go weak at the knees the last time they made these noises, did it?"

Read your own OP very carefully then read the above again, very carefully, and see how ridiculous the two statements are.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then."

U.K. Ministers and Officials are spectacularly ignorant as to the workings of the E.U. We have all been witness to and heard statements made over the last three years by people who should know better that display complete ignorance.

This country triggered A50 without a plan and that was obvious to everyone other than Brexiters who claimed “you don’t show your hand.” Three years on, there is still no meaningful plan other than bluff and bluster and it fools no one. EU Negotiators have humiliated the U.K. side, by simply being competent.

Johnson and Raab will not now even try to negotiate because they know that doing so will only embarrass them into displaying their own incompetence. Rather they will now spend £1 billion on propaganda blaming the E.U. for intransigence and selling Johnson as the people’s PM.

Let’s not forget the actual facts here. Johnson and Co now state that the backstop is “anti democratic” despite it being an entirely British construct negotiated lawfully and correctly by appointed U.K. Government officials, a team of which David Davis was leading. They say that technology means that it is unnecessary but if that were the case, then the backstop would not actually come into effect anyway.

Suggesting to your foe that you are prepared to cut off your leg because you think that then scratching their leg would be more damaging to them than you losing a leg is not a negotiating tactic. It is just stupid.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?"

It was actually last week that no deal was a million to one. Now it is the option of last resort.

I guess that trying to make your opposition think that you are too stupid to negotiate with could be construed as a tactic.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Now the Brexiteers are in charge, surely we hold all the cards, then?

Isn't that what they said?

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Didn't exactly make the EU go weak at the knees the last time they made these noises, did it?

Read your own OP very carefully then read the above again, very carefully, and see how ridiculous the two statements are."

The only thing that I can see that is ridiculous is the gap between what people were promised and what we're now being softened up to expect.

How did they get it so wrong?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?"

They didn't get it wrong. They absolutely knew it was a total fuck up. They just lied, lied, and lied again. Because they are the most corrupt, power hungry, money grabbing set of bastards this country has ever seen.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

You can get off the hamster wheel of doom and engage with the new golden age of re-energized can do optimism you know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

You can get off the hamster wheel of doom and engage with the new golden age of re-energized can do optimism you know.

A week ago we were optimistic we can do a deal. What are we optimistic about this week? It's not easy to keep a track of where the hamster ball of optimism is heading..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably daft if the tories to make her leader. And then the people to vote her in. Didn't we all know what we were voting for?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

Did you get that from what someone said on fb ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?"

Brexits gone exactly as many of us said it would over 3 years ago

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

It was actually last week that no deal was a million to one. Now it is the option of last resort.

I guess that trying to make your opposition think that you are too stupid to negotiate with could be construed as a tactic. "

This..

That's some turn around from Boris..

Wonder what next weeks soundbite will be..

The latest from the IFG doesn't red well, no doubt yet to be labelled project fear..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

Brexits gone exactly as many of us said it would over 3 years ago

Exactly, we were accused of promoting ‘project fear ‘ etc. If we leave with a no deal then the conservatives (including the current government) have failed .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok, gotta ask, where has this whole "Golden Age" bs come from? Nothing has exactly been done yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

You can get off the hamster wheel of doom and engage with the new golden age of re-energized can do optimism you know.

A week ago we were optimistic we can do a deal. What are we optimistic about this week? It's not easy to keep a track of where the hamster ball of optimism is heading.. "

Blind faith and optimism is all the brexit drones have.

It seems the government hamsters these brexit drones fawn over seem less than optimistic about our future if no deal is all but inevitable..

I'm staying positive because these clowns will keep entertaining us for the foreseeable future and laughter is good for the soul..

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then."

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though."

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Isn't it?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

OP, it is easy to understand how we are where we are.

Remember the bendy cucumber or banana headlines? Remember all the made up 'U COULDN'T MAKE IT UP' headlines over the last 35 years? Conditioning takes time, but once conditioned we will believe anything that reinforces that conditioning and see anything that contradicts said conditioning as provocation by the 'ENEMY' The EU is seen by many as our enemy, the truth is the fist victim in war and the Tories have been at war with the EU since Thatcher first screamed 'NO! No! no! in the 80's. The war has been brought to a head by the MINORITY Tory government (first with the active cooperation of the Lib-Dems and now the DUP) of the last 9 years and as we approach the last battles our Tory leaders are now preparing us for our heroic 'last stand'.

Of course there will be nothing heroic in it at all and the architects of our downfall will all do very nicely out of destruction.

On a practical note it will be interesting to see how BoJo and his cabinet intend to reconstitute all the regulatory bodies (before 31 Oct) they were so quick to scrap in the 80's and 90's (to fund tax cuts) because being part of the EU and single market meant Brussels were already doing the work and our regulatory bodies were no longer needed.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Isn't it? "

Whether I think it is a bluff or not won’t change the way the EU view it.

It’s the EU that you need to watch.

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over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

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over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Isn't it? "

Boris has the best poker face...

Said nobody ever!!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Isn't it? "

The most accurate part of that answer is the question mark.

Is it? Isn't it? Who knows?

Personally I would like to leave with a deal, but I would never take no deal off the table. Do that and you walk into the negotiations with your legs at a quarter to three.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Hence even less reason for the EU to bother negotiating. The arsehole has stated that it's going to be no deal whatever happens, so the EU are just going to harden up and complete the preparations they have been making for the last three years. They will minimise the damage to their side, retreat and watch us go to hell.

When someone is telling you that they're going to jump off a cliff and squash you because you're underneath, you don't bother talking anymore, you just step back so that you don't get hit by the blood spatters.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

The worst of it is, Boris and company have no intention of jumping themselves, it's all of us that they're pushing off. Then they'll stand at the top and say "oh dear, it didn't go very well, let's blame it on those that tried to hold back instead of taking a running jump. We're okay anyway, good job we got ourselves a helicopter to go down safely."

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

So expect to see the EU cranking up it’s preparations for a no deal exit then as currently they are not.

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over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

No"

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

So expect to see the EU cranking up it’s preparations for a no deal exit then as currently they are not."

How do you know?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

So expect to see the EU cranking up it’s preparations for a no deal exit then as currently they are not."

Their preparations are basically complete. They know what they're doing. It's our side that haven't a fucking clue.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish? "

You assume I voted leave

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

So expect to see the EU cranking up it’s preparations for a no deal exit then as currently they are not.

How do you know?

How do you know they are?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stay positive and we could get the odds of no deal down to 10000-1 .

Send your positive vibrations to No 10 it's your patriotic duty...it's our last best hope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

So expect to see the EU cranking up it’s preparations for a no deal exit then as currently they are not.

How do you know?

How do you know they are?

I don’t, and I wouldn’t be stupid enough to state that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave "

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The EU have clearly stated were being kicked out on No Deal if we don't agree to anything and they've already been working on their side of it since March.

The fact that only now we're starting to prepare for No Deal just shows how arse upwards our government has been.

So much for "The EU will be begging us for a deal", England got shot down and is now trying to break the fall

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted "

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

You seemed confused, that does explain a lot. Have a lie down

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Isn't it?

The most accurate part of that answer is the question mark.

Is it? Isn't it? Who knows?

Personally I would like to leave with a deal, but I would never take no deal off the table. Do that and you walk into the negotiations with your legs at a quarter to three."

Other than walking away with "no deal" actually means retaining the status quo - ie remaining in the EU.

I can't believe you are still trotting out that long ago ridiculed and debunked line. Even Pat has now figured out what "walking away with no deal" actually means.

What this analogy really suggests is that having sold your car, you have informed the only dealer in town that you have sold you car and despite him knowing all too well how much you need a car, you walk in and say - "sell me a car on my terms or I will walk out of here."

"Adios MF"

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

You seemed confused, that does explain a lot. Have a lie down

What does it explain please ?

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

So expect to see the EU cranking up it’s preparations for a no deal exit then as currently they are not."

At a technical level, the EU is much better prepared than the UK. The Commission was issuing sector-by-sector legal guidance on a bad Brexit well before the UK.

The EU also has unilateral arrangements in place to mitigate the impact on member states.

It is the political fall-out they are concerned about - being seen to blamed for whatever difficulties are experienced by member states.

They have also been mindful of Mrs Merkel's advice not to do anything that would create a sense of national humiliation (she knows only too well what that can do to a country).

No, if No Deal happens, the EU will do everything it can to frame that publically as the choice of the UK alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

You seemed confused, that does explain a lot. Have a lie down

What does it explain please ? "

Have a lie down, thank you please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Didn't exactly make the EU go weak at the knees the last time they made these noises, did it?"

Because May DIDNT make these noises. She was and is a remainer and the EU knew that. She was the wrong choice at the time. (I’m not saying BoJo was either)

The situation arose through a series of cock ups on both sides.

1. Cameron went to EU asking for a few minor concessions and threatened EU with a referendum if they didn’t move. They called his bluff and LOST as he DID call the referendum.

2. The EU assumed we (the voters)would vote remain...they called the electorates bluff...and LOST AGAIN (they don’t learn).

3. Cameron resigned (rightly having lost the campaign)

At this point a leave supporting leader/PM could have then gone to EU in a stronger position. Told them article 50 would be triggered in 6 months. That we would leave on WTO terms two years after that UNLESS EU came to us with a good trade deal/package. Then left it to them.

Whenever Barmier or D*unker made contact just ask them “have you got a deal to propose?” . If not then just send them away.

No need for a two stage stitch up.

The problem is that didn’t happen and sadly we are where we are.... solutions on a postcard to 10 Downing Street please!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Isn't it?

The most accurate part of that answer is the question mark.

Is it? Isn't it? Who knows?

Personally I would like to leave with a deal, but I would never take no deal off the table. Do that and you walk into the negotiations with your legs at a quarter to three.

Other than walking away with "no deal" actually means retaining the status quo - ie remaining in the EU.

I can't believe you are still trotting out that long ago ridiculed and debunked line. Even Pat has now figured out what "walking away with no deal" actually means.

"Adios MF""

Or you walk into a car dealership tell him you are going to buy the car whatever and then negotiate the price.

Which is the same as telling the EU that we are going to do a deal so please tell us what it is.

In both scenarios the walk away option has to always be on the table.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

You seemed confused, that does explain a lot. Have a lie down

What does it explain please ?

Have a lie down, thank you please

Why do I need a lie down?

you seem to think I am confused, and that “explain a lot”.

What are you getting at, and why?

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Didn't exactly make the EU go weak at the knees the last time they made these noises, did it?

2. The EU assumed we (the voters)would vote remain...they called the electorates bluff...and LOST AGAIN (they don’t learn).

3. "

They did not assume - Cameron told them the result would be 70/30 remain. Which removed any incentive to make concessions.

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over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

You seemed confused, that does explain a lot. Have a lie down

What does it explain please ?

Have a lie down, thank you please

Why do I need a lie down?

you seem to think I am confused, and that “explain a lot”.

What are you getting at, and why?"

Never mind, I don’t want to upset you.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

You seemed confused, that does explain a lot. Have a lie down

What does it explain please ?

Have a lie down, thank you please

Why do I need a lie down?

you seem to think I am confused, and that “explain a lot”.

What are you getting at, and why?

Never mind, I don’t want to upset you.

You assume I would be upset

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

You seemed confused, that does explain a lot. Have a lie down

What does it explain please ?

Have a lie down, thank you please

Why do I need a lie down?

you seem to think I am confused, and that “explain a lot”.

What are you getting at, and why?

Never mind, I don’t want to upset you.

You assume I would be upset

Let’s keep one to one squabbling off threads eh?

It is kind of annoying to try to follow the thread when two people are pasting previous content and one line quips back and forth between two.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Faced with no deal being pushed through how do you think Parliament is going to react?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

So, if we leave with a no deal will you feel betrayed? Lied to? Let down? Disappointed? Foolish?

You assume I voted leave

Ah, so you voted remain? Your not as foolish as I thought

You assume I voted

So you didn’t vote, your as foolish I thought

Don’t denigrate my right to vote or not vote,

Are you to embarrassed to admit you voted leave, I guess there will be a millions who are doing the same

I’m neither embarrassed or proud of whether I voted or didn’t vote.

You seemed confused, that does explain a lot. Have a lie down

What does it explain please ?

Have a lie down, thank you please

Why do I need a lie down?

you seem to think I am confused, and that “explain a lot”.

What are you getting at, and why?

Never mind, I don’t want to upset you.

You assume I would be upset

Let’s keep one to one squabbling off threads eh?

It is kind of annoying to try to follow the thread when two people are pasting previous content and one line quips back and forth between two."

Yes, very annoying

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Faced with no deal being pushed through how do you think Parliament is going to react?

Don’t know. We’re not there yet.

Government are making noises on both sides of the situation though..

At the moment the noise from “were making no deal preparations” is louder than “lets fine tune the deal”

I really do think the ball is in the Eu court. How they chose to deal with it will shape what happens next

At the moment the 2 sides are having a bit of a knock about ..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Faced with no deal being pushed through how do you think Parliament is going to react?

Don’t know. We’re not there yet.

Government are making noises on both sides of the situation though..

At the moment the noise from “were making no deal preparations” is louder than “lets fine tune the deal”

I really do think the ball is in the Eu court. How they chose to deal with it will shape what happens next

At the moment the 2 sides are having a bit of a knock about ..

The ramping up of the rhetoric, war footing day meetings etc is bluff..

More money that could go to essential services, bit weird given May's lot were saying such positive things about how prepared we were in the new year for a possible no deal..

The EU whatever people think of them won't be fooled by the playground psychology of what looks like a strategy akin to the school bully at the tuck shop..

Am sure the workers at Vauxhall in Ellesmere are over the moon at this new government..

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Am sure the workers at Vauxhall in Ellesmere are over the moon at this new government.. "

And not just the 1000 workers at Vauxhall, but the tens of thousands in subsidiary jobs that depend upon the presence of the company.

The companies that make parts for Vauxhall. The men that drive trucks delivering stuff to the factory. The person that sells sandwiches at lunchtime. The bar staff at the social club just down the road. The man that has a fish and chip shop that will see his trade drop away as the locals have less money for takeaway food.

The schools that will close as people move away from the area attempting to find work elsewhere.

I imagine that any man at Vauxhall who was vocal in praise of brexit to his work mates over the last three years, is now getting his teeth kicked out at the back of the car park.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Now the Brexiteers are in charge, surely we hold all the cards, then?

Isn't that what they said?"

that ship has well sailed all thats left is no deal or they cancel it.like i said at least one half of the country is gona be extremely pissed off

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Probably daft if the tories to make her leader. And then the people to vote her in. Didn't we all know what we were voting for? "

ah you cannot predict what people will vote for.my concience is clear i dnt vote for any of them lol.

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over a year ago

Now the Brexiteers are in charge, surely we hold all the cards, then?

Isn't that what they said?

that ship has well sailed all thats left is no deal or they cancel it.like i said at least one half of the country is gona be extremely pissed off"

You are wrong all of the country will be extremely pissed off because nobody will get what they want.

Which is probably best for this country seeing as where we are now as a nation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No deal is a form of chicken.

Were driving our car at one of the showrooms models. Sure both will get damaged. But the dealership has others they can sell. This is our only car.

It's an odd negotiation tactic.

Especially as the EU are also equally able to force a no deal.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

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"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Isn't it?

The most accurate part of that answer is the question mark.

Is it? Isn't it? Who knows?

Personally I would like to leave with a deal, but I would never take no deal off the table. Do that and you walk into the negotiations with your legs at a quarter to three.

Other than walking away with "no deal" actually means retaining the status quo - ie remaining in the EU.

I can't believe you are still trotting out that long ago ridiculed and debunked line. Even Pat has now figured out what "walking away with no deal" actually means.

"Adios MF"

Or you walk into a car dealership tell him you are going to buy the car whatever and then negotiate the price.

Which is the same as telling the EU that we are going to do a deal so please tell us what it is.

In both scenarios the walk away option has to always be on the table."

But walking away from a deal means maintaining the status quo. That means remaining in the EU.

There is no mileage to be had from threating to shoot yourself in the foot rather than walk away (remain as a member) or actually negotiate a deal.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Here comes the chaos.

A day after Gove said the working assumption is No Deal, Johnson today said it is not.

And he repeats the mantra the odds of No Deal are a million to one against.

How can any business in the UK make any sort of plans when those at the top contradict each other on such an important issue?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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and the hysteria ...

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Gove: "We must operate on the assumption they will not . . .we must prepare to leave without a deal on October 31."

Johnson: "Absolutely not. My assumption is we can get a new deal."

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

And Johnson's press spokesman today?

"We must assume there will be a no deal Brexit on October 31."

Lololol.

Welcome to governance Johnson-style.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

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yes get over it

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over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

yes get over it "

Finally a proper brexiter...Viva la Brexit .We are invincible!!

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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago

omagh

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

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You cant negotiat with the EU as they dictate and demand things no country can agree to. They gave Mrs May a list of demands and gave the peoples of the UK no detail of their trade demands. Yes Mrs May did not have a deal as no trade deal has been made. Remainers will destroy the UK. If we can aford to pay the EU £39 plus billiuon then we will be better of keeping that money. After all whats it for the Eu export more to the UK so an open market woulf be in the EUs interest more than the UK. Yes I said £39 PLUS billion as the EUs own web page states the EU will be free to demand more money from the UK for items not included so far. Eu demands which tie us in even we never agree to their trade deal demands.

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over a year ago

"yes get over it "

16 million people in the UK are barely getting by and 4 million of them are in deep poverty, a no deal brexit would make things worse off for them the most, whilst the rest of us would be hit in other ways.

"Get over it" just makes you look like a sad person who would put party before people. Tories would love you.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"they got it so wrong because may had no intention of trying to get a good deal.she thought if she came back with a deal that no one liked it would be easier to cancel the whole thing and she cpuld carry on as p.m. all shes managed to achive is split the country further.what ever happens now at least half the country is gona be seriously pissed off"
You could be right but now like him or loathe him Boris will not be pushed around by the EU.Maybe he will not get us out with a deal on October 31st but will be well on the way to getting one with a short extension.History tells us that Europe allways backs down before we do,they cave in everytime.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

yes get over it

Finally a proper brexiter...Viva la Brexit .We are invincible!!

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over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

yes get over it "

I didn’t ask you ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

Are you one of these ‘leavers’ who are happy with a no deal ??

yes get over it

Finally a proper brexiter...Viva la Brexit .We are invincible!!

Or there's no real cure for stupid..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm actually curious, two members in this thread who are in their 60's and identify as TV/TS, you do know Boris and his type view you as freaks who need "correcting" right? I've always wanted to know the thoughts on this as they push for Tories/Brexit as much as possible.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"History tells us that Europe allways backs down before we do,they cave in everytime."

Brexiteers have been repeating that for three years.

The only side that has blinked is the UK.

Twice.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"I'm actually curious, two members in this thread who are in their 60's and identify as TV/TS, you do know Boris and his type view you as freaks who need "correcting" right? I've always wanted to know the thoughts on this as they push for Tories/Brexit as much as possible.

Must be Emma you are referring to.

In their 60s, eh?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

You cant negotiat with the EU as they dictate and demand things no country can agree to. They gave Mrs May a list of demands and gave the peoples of the UK no detail of their trade demands. Yes Mrs May did not have a deal as no trade deal has been made. Remainers will destroy the UK. If we can aford to pay the EU £39 plus billiuon then we will be better of keeping that money. After all whats it for the Eu export more to the UK so an open market woulf be in the EUs interest more than the UK. Yes I said £39 PLUS billion as the EUs own web page states the EU will be free to demand more money from the UK for items not included so far. Eu demands which tie us in even we never agree to their trade deal demands."

erm.... bad news for you....

the £39bn is not actually £39 billion anymore.... that would have been the figure if we had left on time in march as it would have covered the entire transistion period till dec 2020, but because we haven't left, and the transistion period dates don't change... its now more like £31 billion, and remember that is still spread out over time..

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

erm.... bad news for you....

Then again - the E.U. figure was nearer €60 billion and the final figure had not been fully agreed due to the need by U.K. officials of “hiding” some of it.

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over a year ago

Because they live in a fantasy world and so many people fell for it, they didnt spend 5 minutes thinking it through lol

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"They didn't get it wrong. They absolutely knew it was a total fuck up. They just lied, lied, and lied again. Because they are the most corrupt, power hungry, money grabbing set of bastards this country has ever seen."

Maybe not ever - but they're certainly right up there. Their willingness to fuck over people silly enough to vote for them is truly epic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yes get over it

"Get over it" just makes you look like a sad person who would put party before people. Tories would love you."

To be honest though, as a remainer myself, that statement only fuels the arguments to leave the EU if 16 million people in the UK are barely getting by and 4 million of them are in deep poverty as it is then obviously change is needed.

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over a year ago

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Didn't exactly make the EU go weak at the knees the last time they made these noises, did it?

2. The EU assumed we (the voters)would vote remain...they called the electorates bluff...and LOST AGAIN (they don’t learn).

They did not assume - Cameron told them the result would be 70/30 remain. Which removed any incentive to make concessions."

You were in the meetings then? I’d love to know where you get these figures from....back of a beer mat maybe?

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over a year ago

How did we get in this mess, we let the EU control all our trade and employment laws plus banking system farming,fishing, car production . I know people are going to say the EU doesn't control us,well happy days we can just leave then. We sat back and let our MPs give our country away drip by drip.Shame on us.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Negotiation tactics are not really your strong point then.

Can't negotiate when the other side sees through your bluff though.

It’s no longer a bluff though is it.

So expect to see the EU cranking up it’s preparations for a no deal exit then as currently they are not."

Their preparations have been in place for months

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"they got it so wrong because may had no intention of trying to get a good deal.she thought if she came back with a deal that no one liked it would be easier to cancel the whole thing and she cpuld carry on as p.m. all shes managed to achive is split the country further.what ever happens now at least half the country is gona be seriously pissed offYou could be right but now like him or loathe him Boris will not be pushed around by the EU.Maybe he will not get us out with a deal on October 31st but will be well on the way to getting one with a short extension.History tells us that Europe allways backs down before we do,they cave in everytime."

What history books have you been reading?

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over a year ago

Essex

"How did we get in this mess, we let the EU control all our trade and employment laws plus banking system farming,fishing, car production . I know people are going to say the EU doesn't control us,well happy days we can just leave then. We sat back and let our MPs give our country away drip by drip.Shame on us. "
you do know you're making this up don't you? Utterly clueless

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"yes get over it

"Get over it" just makes you look like a sad person who would put party before people. Tories would love you.

If a group of disaffected people are asked the question "keep the status quo or vote for change?", then it shouldnt be any surprise of the outcome.

If moves had been made to address the imbalance between North and South before the referendum, then the outcome may well have been so much different.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

its not a north south divide its a london v the rest of the country divide.i live just outside london and the only peeps that can afford to buy are those earnin a massive wedge.ex council house round here is 550 000 at least so that rules out most who grew up round here.you either move further out or get a council place.does make me laugh that peeps think everyone in south is loaded 2 or 3 of yhe most deprived areas in the country are in east and south london.

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over a year ago

It's more likely an income/wealth divide than anything else.

But on average the south have higher income, and take less benefits... And income reduces and benefits increase as you go north.

Sure there will be pockets of areas which go against the trend. And in average doesn't help show the range of incomes within a region.

I will agree tho, saying north v south distracts from the real root causes and how to address them.

My concern is they won't be addressed. Money will be thrown, most at the areas which need it most, but at certain areas (London, manchester) to boost overall wealth (but increasing the gap between has and has nots) or at areas which are marginal seats or politically sensitive.

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over a year ago

"its not a north south divide its a london v the rest of the country divide.i live just outside london and the only peeps that can afford to buy are those earnin a massive wedge.ex council house round here is 550 000 at least so that rules out most who grew up round here.you either move further out or get a council place.does make me laugh that peeps think everyone in south is loaded 2 or 3 of yhe most deprived areas in the country are in east and south london."

Move up north and make something of your life.Get on the property ladder.

A lot of people who live in London can't afford to.Theres a better life to be found elsewhere..

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

yea i will move up north leave my kids down south and see em once a month instead of 2 or 3 days a week im sure they would love that.was trying to point out apart from the city of london most people in the south aint rich even though most people north of watford think everyone is rolling in cash and why should i move from somewhere i was born. just makes me laugh that peeps from the north assume everyone is on bankers wages

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over a year ago

I was born in the south had go leave my home and family .Moved to Manchester as it was affordable to buy .Two decades later I live as far South as you go without swimming .In a property by the sea I could never afford even today.

He who dares wins Rodney.London will forever be unaffordable for many.As was my home area.

Wallow in your situation or get out.London won't be getting cheaper ever..

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"yea i will move up north leave my kids down south and see em once a month instead of 2 or 3 days a week im sure they would love that.was trying to point out apart from the city of london most people in the south aint rich even though most people north of watford think everyone is rolling in cash and why should i move from somewhere i was born. just makes me laugh that peeps from the north assume everyone is on bankers wages"

I feel your pain but perceptions are very hard to change.

Recent investment in the South includes HS1, HS2 and Crossrail. Proposed Heathrow extension and another Thames crossing. These projects run into the tens of billions. Can you think of anything similar in the North?

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

hs1 and hs2 are gona be a waste of money just like crossrail thats a year and half late so far with no end in sight.personaly i cant see whst the benefits of any of them are.and lets ve honest if u on minimum wage in north ur better off than someone on minimum wage within 30 -40 miles of london

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"I was born in the south had go leave my home and family .Moved to Manchester as it was affordable to buy .Two decades later I live as far South as you go without swimming .In a property by the sea I could never afford even today.

He who dares wins Rodney.London will forever be unaffordable for many.As was my home area.

Wallow in your situation or get out.London won't be getting cheaper ever..

not wallowing at all was just pointing out to someone majority of peeps in the south aint as well off as others in the country seem to think.and well done you for moving myself i would rather see me kids 3-4 days a week rather than 1 weekend a month

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"hs1 and hs2 are gona be a waste of money just like crossrail thats a year and half late so far with no end in sight.personaly i cant see whst the benefits of any of them are.and lets ve honest if u on minimum wage in north ur better off than someone on minimum wage within 30 -40 miles of london"

Hence the need to equalise the country up. Had an attempt been made prior to 2015, then the Referendum result may have been completely different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He who dares wins Rodney.London will forever be unaffordable for many.As was my home area.

Wallow in your situation or get out.London won't be getting cheaper ever..

Working class people in London have a choice to put up with the cost of living in London and the poverty or move to a cheaper part of the country.Youve choosen to stay.Good for you .Its not going to get cheaper for you or your family though.Over the next decade many will be moved out because the government won't pay the high rents for those on benefits and you will be forced out .Its already happening now.

Sometimes it's better jump before your pushed...

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

He who dares wins Rodney.London will forever be unaffordable for many.As was my home area.

Wallow in your situation or get out.London won't be getting cheaper ever..

Sometimes it's better jump before your pushed..."

haha you assume me and my family are getting benefits lol you do know not all the working class are on the ponce dont you ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah your probably right..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

To add to the mix, John Major has recently been resurrected and has been regularly sticking his oar in too:

He had this to say: [pinch your nose together and put on a pair of large square glasses]

Paraphrased: "Brexit is a disaster. It cannot be allowed to happen. We must have a second, third, fourth and tenth referendum until it finally returns a Remain result" says the man who brought us black Wednesday.

I agree with those who said he only wants to stay in because he's concerned about diminished pea quality as a result of Britain leaving.

More seriously, he does apparently have a lot of business interests in Europe, so is maybe not the most objective commenter.

I think he should Put Up or Shut Up.

By the way, Boris is lying. We aren't leaving on Oct 31st. Actually, we aren't leaving at all. You see, the plan is to hold the second referendum in 2021 after enough EU nationals have been bussed in, as they frenziedly are right now, who will be allowed to take part in that next vote.

Just another 18 months of stalling for time and pretending to try to leave to go.

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By *ky19Man
over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

"The easiest deal in history . . . We hold all the cards on day . . . We're making no plans for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.

Even just last month, Boris Johnson predicting the odds of no deal were a million to one against.

Now Gove tells us they are assuming No Deal, Javid is raiding the piggy bank for emergency measures and we are about to be flooded with No Deal propaganda.

How did they get this so wrong?

I absolutely agree with it too and it's beyond me why more people can't see it too.

The great thing about the referendum result and the way things have gone, is it has revealed a great amount and brought much into the light about where we the public stand in relation to the powers running things.

They absolutely despise us beneath contempt. We can see that there is not a lot of democracy left really.

While a lot of people who voted Remain aren't minding that everything possible is being done to overturn the independence vote, what happens when they stop you having something you voted for? It might start to click then.

We're all into he same boat really. And the part of the overall plan to turn everyone against each other has worked a treat!

When you also see other things like how they are trying to lump 5G on us regardless if we want it or not, it will hopefully start to become clear we don't truly have much say left.

But because the independence referendum went the way it did, it has allowed us to see how the public are regarded by those running things!

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