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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

On a serious note, advances in hi tech crime detection and the whole justice system needs overhauling, from prisons, to the administration and process of the law. Any thoughts?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Good news...

Decisive and positive

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

"

How about the rest of the justice system?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

At last we see what a positive attitude can do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"At last we see what a positive attitude can do. "

Let's hope there's more to come

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

"

I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Bloody hell herne bay population 56000 people ...will we get our own police station again or even a bobby around the town ...all you see nowdays is 3 in a car from time to time make it happen boris

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

How about the rest of the justice system? "
ffs mate hes only been in the job a day and everyone is off on holiday now.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years "

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

How about the rest of the justice system? ffs mate hes only been in the job a day and everyone is off on holiday now. "

He should get his finger out then

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?"

Theresa may

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?"

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

"

Greedy bankers

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

In isolation this seems sensible, but I saw a statistic the the police estimate 30-40% of call outs they make are mental health related.

Hopefully this 20,000 isn't being done just as a headline grabbing stunt, and the vaunted cross party work on social care gets enough investment and time, and there's going to be a strategy to help divert mental health cases from the police and let them focus on crime.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers "

and....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

There are less police stations, less trainers, less specialists in the roles away from the plod on the best to support and deal with the complex crimes of this age..

Whilst it's a laudible plan I will wait and see as he promised not to close fire stations in London then did..

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

"

It was a worldwide recession.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

It was a worldwide recession. "

Which the Labour government of the day didn't handle very well

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

"

Tax cuts for the rich

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

It was a worldwide recession.

Which the Labour government of the day didn't handle very well"

They cant be held responsible for worldwide events

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

It was a worldwide recession.

Which the Labour government of the day didn't handle very well

They cant be held responsible for worldwide events"

Correct, however they can be held responsible for what they did in this country

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

It was a worldwide recession.

Which the Labour government of the day didn't handle very well"

Not really. It hit many countries just as hard or harder.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"Just rewind a bit more... why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?"

Because those watered down Tories Blair and Brown copied American fiscal policy and fucked the economy, basing it all on house values, affordable credit and unregulated, criminal banking practises - with the full approval of the real Tories. They're as bad as each other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

"

More greedy bankers

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Just rewind a bit more... why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Because those watered down Tories Blair and Brown copied American fiscal policy and fucked the economy, basing it all on house values, affordable credit and unregulated, criminal banking practises - with the full approval of the real Tories. They're as bad as each other."

but it was the Tories left to clean up the mess on their own (with a little help from the LibDems for some of the time)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just rewind a bit more... why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Because those watered down Tories Blair and Brown copied American fiscal policy and fucked the economy, basing it all on house values, affordable credit and unregulated, criminal banking practises - with the full approval of the real Tories. They're as bad as each other.

but it was the Tories left to clean up the mess on their own (with a little help from the LibDems for some of the time)"

Whatever happened to George Osbourne?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

"

bad news..... sadiq sold off the water cannon!! bastard!!!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Just rewind a bit more... why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Because those watered down Tories Blair and Brown copied American fiscal policy and fucked the economy, basing it all on house values, affordable credit and unregulated, criminal banking practises - with the full approval of the real Tories. They're as bad as each other.

but it was the Tories left to clean up the mess on their own (with a little help from the LibDems for some of the time)

Whatever happened to George Osbourne? "

Anyone remember the name Alistair Darling, or maybe his current day title The Lord Darling of Roulanish?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

It was a worldwide recession.

Which the Labour government of the day didn't handle very well"

Gordon Brown saved the world though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

bad news..... sadiq sold off the water cannon!! bastard!!! "

Yes and he never got a good price for them either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. "

Voting to take something away and then giving it back years later and expecting praise isn't exactly a best effort, plus as already pointed out, it was supposed to be an additional 8,000 a year, so this way, 4,000 have already been sacked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin "

I hope so

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. "

Or some would wait to see if the proven lier was going to then renege on it after some gullible had spent it on their credit card..

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

So having forced police around the country to sack around 100,000 personnel (including around 40,000 police officers) over the last 9 years BoJo now wants us all to praise him for repairing some of the damage his crowd has been orchestrating since 2010.

I think the British people are not so stupid as to swallow his PR.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin "

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"So having forced police around the country to sack around 100,000 personnel (including around 40,000 police officers) over the last 9 years BoJo now wants us all to praise him for repairing some of the damage his crowd has been orchestrating since 2010.

I think the British people are not so stupid as to swallow his PR. "

Pst..

Dont mention the garden bridge..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you.. "

surplus!... the kitty tin was empty...in fact emptier than empty... I think if they thought they could get some money to spend from pawning the kitty tin, they would have done so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you..

surplus!... the kitty tin was empty...in fact emptier than empty... I think if they thought they could get some money to spend from pawning the kitty tin, they would have done so

"

Is the kitty now full??

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you..

surplus!... the kitty tin was empty...in fact emptier than empty... I think if they thought they could get some money to spend from pawning the kitty tin, they would have done so

Is the kitty now full?? "

purring nicely

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures


"why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

"

Becaused the conservative party have a very weak grasp on economics, or they did it for political rather than economic reasons.

They didn't realise that by attempting to save at a time when everyone else was trying to save it would only serve to increase the national debt, slow down growth and prevent recovery.

Which was of course exactly what heppened.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Becaused the conservative party have a very weak grasp on economics, or they did it for political rather than economic reasons.

They didn't realise that by attempting to save at a time when everyone else was trying to save it would only serve to increase the national debt, slow down growth and prevent recovery.

Which was of course exactly what heppened."

This is what the tories always do. Cut public spending, blame the previous government then magically find money to spend when general election imminent, they only fool the foolish

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you..

surplus!... the kitty tin was empty...in fact emptier than empty... I think if they thought they could get some money to spend from pawning the kitty tin, they would have done so

"

Fact is that in the past 60 yrs there has only been 7 yrs when any government had a surplus in office, 4 were under labour and the other 3 under the tories..

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you.. "

just as well - one of the best indicators for an imminent recession is a prolonged government budget surplus.

here's my favourite grumpy Aussie economist in a leather jacket (they're more common than you think ) explaing why they're a bad idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au2N07eHa-Q

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

"

Or the sort of talk that is quite cheap, will take ages to become a reality, and could quite easily quietly be dropped before then.

Cynical? Yes.

Reasonably based on past experience? Yup.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you..

surplus!... the kitty tin was empty...in fact emptier than empty... I think if they thought they could get some money to spend from pawning the kitty tin, they would have done so

Fact is that in the past 60 yrs there has only been 7 yrs when any government had a surplus in office, 4 were under labour and the other 3 under the tories..

"

Which 4 were the labour years?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. "

Oh, here mate! I know where the money isn't coming from... The syphoned money from tory tax avoiding offshore accounts

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

Or the sort of talk that is quite cheap, will take ages to become a reality, and could quite easily quietly be dropped before then.

Cynical? Yes.

Reasonably based on past experience? Yup."

Time will tell... recruiting starts soon

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Becaused the conservative party have a very weak grasp on economics, or they did it for political rather than economic reasons.

They didn't realise that by attempting to save at a time when everyone else was trying to save it would only serve to increase the national debt, slow down growth and prevent recovery.

Which was of course exactly what heppened.

This is what the tories always do. Cut public spending, blame the previous government then magically find money to spend when general election imminent, they only fool the foolish "

including bribe money, wonder how much a bung it'll take this year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. "
I have always just ignored the merchants of doom and gloom. They hate positive news but are delighted when things go wrong.

With Boris in power we have now entered the golden era . There will be a lot more good news to come.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

Or the sort of talk that is quite cheap, will take ages to become a reality, and could quite easily quietly be dropped before then.

Cynical? Yes.

Reasonably based on past experience? Yup.

Time will tell... recruiting starts soon"

Judt in time for the November riots

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. I have always just ignored the merchants of doom and gloom. They hate positive news but are delighted when things go wrong.

With Boris in power we have now entered the golden era . There will be a lot more good news to come. "

You a multi millionaire?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

Or the sort of talk that is quite cheap, will take ages to become a reality, and could quite easily quietly be dropped before then.

Cynical? Yes.

Reasonably based on past experience? Yup.

Time will tell... recruiting starts soon"

Oh, when does that start?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. I have always just ignored the merchants of doom and gloom. They hate positive news but are delighted when things go wrong.

With Boris in power we have now entered the golden era . There will be a lot more good news to come. "

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. I have always just ignored the merchants of doom and gloom. They hate positive news but are delighted when things go wrong.

With Boris in power we have now entered the golden era . There will be a lot more good news to come. "

More good news?

There hasn’t been any yet.

Talk is cheap, but sure... time will tell. But it’s not an area either the Tories or BJ have a good track record of.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. I have always just ignored the merchants of doom and gloom. They hate positive news but are delighted when things go wrong.

With Boris in power we have now entered the golden era . There will be a lot more good news to come.

More good news?

There hasn’t been any yet.

Talk is cheap, but sure... time will tell. But it’s not an area either the Tories or BJ have a good track record of."

20,000 more police, out of the EU by 31 October... just for starters...

Sounds like a good start to me... the new golden age is upon us

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

Or the sort of talk that is quite cheap, will take ages to become a reality, and could quite easily quietly be dropped before then.

Cynical? Yes.

Reasonably based on past experience? Yup.

Time will tell... recruiting starts soon

Judt in time for the November riots "
What the remainer riots ? they will just stand in the street spit their dummies out and stamp their feet because they didnt get their own way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. I have always just ignored the merchants of doom and gloom. They hate positive news but are delighted when things go wrong.

With Boris in power we have now entered the golden era . There will be a lot more good news to come.

More good news?

There hasn’t been any yet.

Talk is cheap, but sure... time will tell. But it’s not an area either the Tories or BJ have a good track record of.

20,000 more police, out of the EU by 31 October... just for starters...

Sounds like a good start to me... the new golden age is upon us"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

bad news..... sadiq sold off the water cannon!! bastard!!!

Yes and he never got a good price for them either "

well "technically" at that point they were 3rd/4th hand.... you can't really expect the best price for them

beside... were they never legal to use on the mainland anyway.....

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

bad news..... sadiq sold off the water cannon!! bastard!!!

Yes and he never got a good price for them either

well "technically" at that point they were 3rd/4th hand.... you can't really expect the best price for them

beside... were they never legal to use on the mainland anyway....."

They were banned 3 months after Boris purchased them

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

they didnt lose as much money as when gordon brown sold our gold off.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you..

surplus!... the kitty tin was empty...in fact emptier than empty... I think if they thought they could get some money to spend from pawning the kitty tin, they would have done so

Fact is that in the past 60 yrs there has only been 7 yrs when any government had a surplus in office, 4 were under labour and the other 3 under the tories..

Which 4 were the labour years?"

Think it was 2000-4, the source is the tax research blog..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"they didnt lose as much money as when gordon brown sold our gold off."

But then people counter with British gas, Northern Rock etc..

And the cycle never ends, fact is some mistakes are made by both the two main parties in government..

That will never change..

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

Or the sort of talk that is quite cheap, will take ages to become a reality, and could quite easily quietly be dropped before then.

Cynical? Yes.

Reasonably based on past experience? Yup.

Time will tell... recruiting starts soon

Judt in time for the November riots What the remainer riots ? they will just stand in the street spit their dummies out and stamp their feet because they didnt get their own way. "

You mean like the anti EU people had been doing professionally for about 40 years?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

"

The cops are creaking.

And if he is serious about no deal, he needs them to be in charge.

Mrs May and Mr Cameron thought they could slash them to bits and no-one would notice.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

bad news..... sadiq sold off the water cannon!! bastard!!!

Yes and he never got a good price for them either

well "technically" at that point they were 3rd/4th hand.... you can't really expect the best price for them

beside... were they never legal to use on the mainland anyway.....

They were banned 3 months after Boris purchased them

"

He now has the power to sanction their use though.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Boris never complained once when even more were cut over the past 10 years.

The police were told to lower crime figures by giving out any kind of warnings instead, wherever possible (incl newly created ones). Yeah - really tough on crime. But these false low figures supposedly 'proved' that Austerity wasn't antisocial.

The police were rewarded by further policing cuts - because apparently they were no longer needed! They'll be happy for the extra staff, but they won't forget that.

Criminals do whatever they can get away with (thinking of policework all the time), and the Austerity years has created a criminal climate that is actually hard to calculate in terms of how bad it actually is.

Boris Johnson's big thing has always been to welcome foreign criminals. He knows more about white collar crime than most.

Tories need a certain level of crime for something to a) claim is a 'fact of life' and b) claim they are the answer to.

Get rid them. For God's sake.

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By *a Fee VerteWoman
over a year ago

Limbo

If ever there was an example of doublespeak then this is it. It's actually intelligence insulting to anyone who's not ignorant of the significant police cuts in recent years (both officers and back office staff (whose removal creates extra work for remaining officers)) and particularly so for serving police.

By the time you take into account the numbers cut under the Tories - 21,000 I believe - as well as the numbers due to leave or retire over the next three years, then an 'extra' 20,000 officers adds up to a net loss. Yet this is being hailed in some quarters as a 'positive' move?!?

Why on earth should we be grateful for a promise (which hasn't yet been honoured, obviously) to put right something which should never have happened in the first place?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"If ever there was an example of doublespeak then this is it. It's actually intelligence insulting to anyone who's not ignorant of the significant police cuts in recent years (both officers and back office staff (whose removal creates extra work for remaining officers)) and particularly so for serving police.

By the time you take into account the numbers cut under the Tories - 21,000 I believe - as well as the numbers due to leave or retire over the next three years, then an 'extra' 20,000 officers adds up to a net loss. Yet this is being hailed in some quarters as a 'positive' move?!?

Why on earth should we be grateful for a promise (which hasn't yet been honoured, obviously) to put right something which should never have happened in the first place?"

So what’s not positive about it

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over a year ago

"Whats not positive" is that with his track record of lies, lies, oh and more lies i will wait and see if it comes to pass.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Brexit was payback for austerity.

Now, the Tories are realising their bad Brexit needs law and order to impose it.

Payback time again.

Pay rises for police officers, next.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"So what’s not positive about it "

Seriously? It cannot be positive that people are so blindly positive to a negative that is returned as a positive. It makes the whole thing look positive, which ultimately a negative.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"So what’s not positive about it

Seriously? It cannot be positive that people are so blindly positive to a negative that is returned as a positive. It makes the whole thing look positive, which ultimately a negative."

So recruiting 20,000 more police is a negative ?

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By *a Fee VerteWoman
over a year ago

Limbo


""Whats not positive" is that with his track record of lies, lies, oh and more lies i will wait and see if it comes to pass. "

That ... and if it was previously deemed acceptable to cut many thousands of officers, just *why* is it all of a sudden deemed necessary to more or less 'replace' them? (except it's not quite so simple as that)

On the face of it, an increased police force is a good thing but the timing makes me both suspicious and scared for what the future holds. I very much doubt this announcement has anything to do with cracking down on 'ordinary' day to day crime and more to do with stamping on potential civil unrest.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

20,000 is not going to cost that much if Diane Abbot is Home Secretary ...

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"So what’s not positive about it "

It's positive in the same way as you finally deciding to have a wash after a whole week of shitting yourself and leaving it to dry in.

Which is why it's about as praiseworthy.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"20,000 is not going to cost that much if Diane Abbot is Home Secretary ..."

eliptical race bater.

Will he give us our libraries back I wonder? And our buses, and our doctors and our social workers and our teachers and our legal aid.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"20,000 is not going to cost that much if Diane Abbot is Home Secretary ...

eliptical race bater.

Will he give us our libraries back I wonder? And our buses, and our doctors and our social workers and our teachers and our legal aid.

"

Give him a chance

It’s only day 2 of the superbly energized new golden age

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By *aul DeUther-OneMan
over a year ago

Sussex


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

On a serious note, advances in hi tech crime detection and the whole justice system needs overhauling, from prisons, to the administration and process of the law. Any thoughts? "

The biggest single benefit to the CJS would be the introduction of 24/7 courts.

Justice delayed us justice denied.- If there are crims on the job all day every day and the cops are forever chasing and catching them, the courts must have the same capacity.

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By *hongguyMan
over a year ago

heckmondwike

we all no what is causing this problem but nobody is doing anything about it why is my native language now not spoken as normal and please dont go down the rascist line my best friend of 40 yrs is a black or coloured guy for all you snowflakes onhere plus hes a leeds united fan for all his faults

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By *aul DeUther-OneMan
over a year ago

Sussex


"we all no what is causing this problem but nobody is doing anything about it why is my native language now not spoken as normal and please dont go down the rascist line my best friend of 40 yrs is a black or coloured guy for all you snowflakes onhere plus hes a leeds united fan for all his faults "

I'm afraid you're going to have to explain to me the link

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"we all no what is causing this problem but nobody is doing anything about it why is my native language now not spoken as normal and please dont go down the rascist line my best friend of 40 yrs is a black or coloured guy for all you snowflakes onhere plus hes a leeds united fan for all his faults "

The irony of calling other people 'snowflakes' when you're so afraid of foreign people you have to make up things like 'my native language is not spoken as normal' to try and justify it.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"we all no what is causing this problem but nobody is doing anything about it why is my native language now not spoken as normal and please dont go down the rascist line my best friend of 40 yrs is a black or coloured guy for all you snowflakes onhere plus hes a leeds united fan for all his faults "

Which problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"20,000 is not going to cost that much if Diane Abbot is Home Secretary ...

eliptical race bater.

Will he give us our libraries back I wonder? And our buses, and our doctors and our social workers and our teachers and our legal aid.

Give him a chance

It’s only day 2 of the superbly energized new golden age

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

On a serious note, advances in hi tech crime detection and the whole justice system needs overhauling, from prisons, to the administration and process of the law. Any thoughts?

The biggest single benefit to the CJS would be the introduction of 24/7 courts.

Justice delayed us justice denied.- If there are crims on the job all day every day and the cops are forever chasing and catching them, the courts must have the same capacity.

"

Just amalgamate the courts and Police officers and dispatch instant justice on the streets

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By *ary_JosephCouple
over a year ago

South Shields


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

On a serious note, advances in hi tech crime detection and the whole justice system needs overhauling, from prisons, to the administration and process of the law. Any thoughts?

The biggest single benefit to the CJS would be the introduction of 24/7 courts.

Justice delayed us justice denied.- If there are crims on the job all day every day and the cops are forever chasing and catching them, the courts must have the same capacity.

Just amalgamate the courts and Police officers and dispatch instant justice on the streets "

Judge Dredd...

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By *aul DeUther-OneMan
over a year ago

Sussex


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

On a serious note, advances in hi tech crime detection and the whole justice system needs overhauling, from prisons, to the administration and process of the law. Any thoughts?

The biggest single benefit to the CJS would be the introduction of 24/7 courts.

Justice delayed us justice denied.- If there are crims on the job all day every day and the cops are forever chasing and catching them, the courts must have the same capacity.

Just amalgamate the courts and Police officers and dispatch instant justice on the streets "

Eeeekk! Something like Judge Dredd? Noooo! Before anyone proposes on the spot sentencing they should imagine" what if it was one of my family?... or me?

We should still have Magistrates and separate people to speak for the Defendant than for The Crown. What we can do without is Their Lordships not setting to work before 10am and only 4 days a week.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you..

surplus!... the kitty tin was empty...in fact emptier than empty... I think if they thought they could get some money to spend from pawning the kitty tin, they would have done so

Fact is that in the past 60 yrs there has only been 7 yrs when any government had a surplus in office, 4 were under labour and the other 3 under the tories..

Which 4 were the labour years?

Think it was 2000-4, the source is the tax research blog.. "

Aren't they some of the years that true socialists and Labour supporters call 'tory light'?!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If labour ever get back in they will spend all the money like last time and leave another IOU in the kitty tin

Fiscally there have been very few times in the last 100 plus years that governments have ended their tenure with a surplus or even had one in that period..

Google will tell you..

surplus!... the kitty tin was empty...in fact emptier than empty... I think if they thought they could get some money to spend from pawning the kitty tin, they would have done so

Fact is that in the past 60 yrs there has only been 7 yrs when any government had a surplus in office, 4 were under labour and the other 3 under the tories..

Which 4 were the labour years?

Think it was 2000-4, the source is the tax research blog..

Aren't they some of the years that true socialists and Labour supporters call 'tory light'?!"

Not sure, not the former and after 97 I didn't vote for them essentially because they were pretty much that once they got in I suppose..

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"At last we see what a positive attitude can do. "

How is that evidence of a "positive attitude"?

He can replace the officers that his own government sacked?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"I agree, we need more police, shame we had to lose 22,000 in the last 9 years

Yep - and the loss of them , combined with cuts in funding to the rest of the justice system (in England and Wales) means you have a 90% chance of avoiding criminal charges, even if you've done something really bad.

Thankfully, most people police themselves and don't commit crime - but these odds are worrying.

So why were they allowed to occur in the first place? Who was Home Secretary for most of that nine years?

Just rewind a bit more...

why were there times of austerity, controlling spending and borrowing ?

Greedy bankers

and....

It was a worldwide recession.

Which the Labour government of the day didn't handle very well"

How would the Tory government have handled it?

Do you know?

Would the national finances have been in a better or worse state?

Do you know?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"Good news...

Decisive and positive

How about the rest of the justice system? ffs mate hes only been in the job a day and everyone is off on holiday now. "

He's been on the job a day but has found billions down the back of the sofa?

Where was it before?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"20,000 is not going to cost that much if Diane Abbot is Home Secretary ...

eliptical race bater.

Will he give us our libraries back I wonder? And our buses, and our doctors and our social workers and our teachers and our legal aid.

Give him a chance

It’s only day 2 of the superbly energized new golden age

"

It's only two days in... And Boris is delivering on Labour's ideas.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London


"At last we see what a positive attitude can do. "


"At last we see what a positive attitude can do. "

He's done f*ck all other than make a pledge. Once he's delivered the £350m a week for the NHS he promised three years ago I might hold out some hope he's not just lying as usual.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"To cope with the possible riots? Time to dust the cobwebs off the water cannon he wisely bought to guard the rich haves from the have nots possibly

On a serious note, advances in hi tech crime detection and the whole justice system needs overhauling, from prisons, to the administration and process of the law. Any thoughts? "

It's good news which shouldn't have been necessary if we maintained appropriate police numbers.

Why the super high recruitment rate is a question. It would be rather more sensible to ramp up numbers as the investment in training and stations ramps up ahead.

The entire Justice system is in a hole.

Like everything there's no point fixing only one part of the structure.

This isn't thought through. It's headline electioneering which may or may not have to be delivered.

Quite possibly, after consultation, recruitment will happen over a more sensible period or be readjusted...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

its also been pointed out that due to retirement and "nautral wastage"" the police would probably lose about another 20,000 anyway in the next 3 yrs......

so when boris talks of the 20,000.... is it replacing those 20k... or having to recruit in effect 40k to cover the 20 we are about to lose plus the 20 that have been lost since 2010.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What would be good (if it hasn't already been done) is to quantify the expected so what of doing this. How much does he hope crime to reduce by? Will it help knife crime?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"its also been pointed out that due to retirement and "nautral wastage"" the police would probably lose about another 20,000 anyway in the next 3 yrs......

so when boris talks of the 20,000.... is it replacing those 20k... or having to recruit in effect 40k to cover the 20 we are about to lose plus the 20 that have been lost since 2010......."

The next GE campaign is now underway!

The public want more police.... That's always a vote winner.

Then there's the announcement that money has finally been found for HS3 in the North. A much needed infrastructure project that will help boost the economy.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"its also been pointed out that due to retirement and "nautral wastage"" the police would probably lose about another 20,000 anyway in the next 3 yrs......

so when boris talks of the 20,000.... is it replacing those 20k... or having to recruit in effect 40k to cover the 20 we are about to lose plus the 20 that have been lost since 2010.......

The next GE campaign is now underway!

The public want more police.... That's always a vote winner.

Then there's the announcement that money has finally been found for HS3 in the North. A much needed infrastructure project that will help boost the economy.

"

The cross line should always have come first.

Complete mystery why multiple governments failed to change it.

HS2 was also a much needed infrastructure project that will boost jobs. It's a longer line too I believe. Is there a logic to that investment being rolled over to the shorter line in the North.

Is it sunken cost? What proportion of the money already invested on HS2 has to be written off?

I really don't know. I'm hoping that there was some logic...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

see if i was transport minister then i would build hs3... the northern high speed first... and then build hs2 from the north down rather than the south up....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"see if i was transport minister then i would build hs3... the northern high speed first... and then build hs2 from the north down rather than the south up...."

Agreed.

Id also be looking at how much face to face meetings will be needed in the future.

Even hs3 feels like its for yesterday's way of working not tomorrow's...

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"see if i was transport minister then i would build hs3... the northern high speed first... and then build hs2 from the north down rather than the south up...."

Agree

Newcastle - Darlington - Leeds

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"see if i was transport minister then i would build hs3... the northern high speed first... and then build hs2 from the north down rather than the south up....

Agree

Newcastle - Darlington - Leeds "

This..

And a West to East Coast link..

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in. "

If?

Both increasing police and hs3 were labour policies in 2017.

Other than reducing income tax and no dealing, boris is more on message with labour than Conservative...

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in. "

you really don't know much do you

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in.

If?

Both increasing police and hs3 were labour policies in 2017.

Other than reducing income tax and no dealing, boris is more on message with labour than Conservative...

"
If thats the case why are you lot fucking moaning cheer up ffs.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in.

you really don't know much do you"
In relation to what? care to elaborate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in.

If?

Both increasing police and hs3 were labour policies in 2017.

Other than reducing income tax and no dealing, boris is more on message with labour than Conservative...

If thats the case why are you lot fucking moaning cheer up ffs. "

I'm not moaning. Nor Labour. I'm just asking if he quantified the expected benefits. Something we can measure success by... I'd ask the same of labour, lib dems, greens, TBP etc etc...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in.

If?

Both increasing police and hs3 were labour policies in 2017.

Other than reducing income tax and no dealing, boris is more on message with labour than Conservative...

"

Ah but JC is fully intent to keep his promises. Whether the party let him is another thing.

Were as boris is just a con man with a lust to promise anything to remain in power as long as possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One thing you can guarantee is that JC is hell bent on trying to destroy the tori’s no matter what the cost to the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One thing you can guarantee is that JC is hell bent on trying to destroy the tori’s no matter what the cost to the country.

"

The fucking same as boris...but with him it's just a power lust and fuck the country

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"One thing you can guarantee is that JC is hell bent on trying to destroy the tori’s no matter what the cost to the country.

"

the tories in themselves did a very good job of that via "austerity".....

the question is... if you are going to loosen the strings... where is the money going to

if the answer is "to your rich friends ia tax cuts"... the people have the right to raise an eyebrow....

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in. "

If Corbyn was indeed PM and making these announcements you'd be saying 'how is he going to pay for all this! Typical Labour spending all the money!'

The self awareness is not strong in you, is it.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in.

If Corbyn was indeed PM and making these announcements you'd be saying 'how is he going to pay for all this! Typical Labour spending all the money!'

The self awareness is not strong in you, is it. "

If anybody did have any awareness they would look at the police federations response to the 20,000 less police since 2010.

To give example - if a company doesn't recruit, it hasn't cut numbers, it has just not recruited and allowed numbers fall though natural retirement, ill health, change of employment etc. This is what happened with the police.

Numbers were not cut, redundancy was not compulsory, recruitment was not put on hold, it was merely more left naturally than were recruited.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's probably the worst decision possible because the fear of being caught is perhaps better than being caught and nothing happening to you.

Brazen moped crime and knifings in London hasn't come about because police numbers have been cut or from austerity, it's come from twenty plus years of being soft on criminals and failing to rehabilitate first offenders.

Were new York in the 1980s now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In fact if I was a betting person I'd guess those 20,000 extra police will not be used against the criminals most of us are concerned with but more with control over us.

Once they have hate speech crimes implemented they'll decide saying you hate Boris Johnson is a crime and you'll be whipped off for rehabilitation therapy.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"what a lot of whinging posters, if corbyn had been making these announcements he would of been hailed as the new messiah.You really do make me laugh you're like the harry enfield character "ooh you dont want to do it like that" i bet its a bundle of fun down your pub when you walk in.

If?

Both increasing police and hs3 were labour policies in 2017.

Other than reducing income tax and no dealing, boris is more on message with labour than Conservative...

"

HS3 was a coalition idea back in 2014.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"In fact if I was a betting person I'd guess those 20,000 extra police will not be used against the criminals most of us are concerned with but more with control over us.

Once they have hate speech crimes implemented they'll decide saying you hate Boris Johnson is a crime and you'll be whipped off for rehabilitation therapy."
Think you have a big problem good job he plans to spend money on mental health

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In fact if I was a betting person I'd guess those 20,000 extra police will not be used against the criminals most of us are concerned with but more with control over us.

Once they have hate speech crimes implemented they'll decide saying you hate Boris Johnson is a crime and you'll be whipped off for rehabilitation therapy.Think you have a big problem good job he plans to spend money on mental health"

Time will tell, you might be right but my spider sense has been tingling for a long time.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures


"

If thats the case why are you lot fucking moaning cheer up ffs. "

Right!

The hardcore neoliberals in the Tory party who have been wetting the bed about government spending for the last 10 years have suddenly gone silent.

And the Keynsians on the left (of which I am one) are now bleating about how it's going to be paid for.

I'm living in a fucking parallel universe where it's even beginning to sound like I'm defending Boris fucking Johnson for fuck's sake.

Calm down folks - get a grip - or at least be consistent.

Boris is just doing a Tony Blair.

Like Tony, Boris does not have to do anything for the extreme wing of his party - there's too few of them to keep him in power and they've got nowhere to go.

Boris - like Tony did - does however have to pander to the people in the middle, and needs to nick a few votes from the other side.

It's pretty much what I predicted last week.

Next stop soft brexit with single market membership

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Think you have a big problem good job he plans to spend money on mental health"

you're a real charmer you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You only have to have a quick gander at the crime figures for the last 30 years to realise the police love to stop easy targets (that's by and large tax payers) they moan like fuck but give up and pay the fine, everyday mentally ill folks and fucktards continue to waltz around pretty much left alone.

We had less police per capita when Robert peel set them up in London and yet less crime and more poor and less crime, in fact I googled the poorest town in the UK, its had no stabbings this year and one last year (none fatal)

Apparently the narrative is just austerity and police numbers that causes crime?.

It's not that I don't think it plays it's part, it's just not the be all and end all were lead to believe.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"

If thats the case why are you lot fucking moaning cheer up ffs.

Right!

The hardcore neoliberals in the Tory party who have been wetting the bed about government spending for the last 10 years have suddenly gone silent.

And the Keynsians on the left (of which I am one) are now bleating about how it's going to be paid for.

I'm living in a fucking parallel universe where it's even beginning to sound like I'm defending Boris fucking Johnson for fuck's sake.

Calm down folks - get a grip - or at least be consistent.

Boris is just doing a Tony Blair.

Like Tony, Boris does not have to do anything for the extreme wing of his party - there's too few of them to keep him in power and they've got nowhere to go.

Boris - like Tony did - does however have to pander to the people in the middle, and needs to nick a few votes from the other side.

It's pretty much what I predicted last week.

Next stop soft brexit with single market membership"

--Boris really wants a 2nd ref, I've said that for ages, and it's true of most of them too. Why wouldn't he? It's democracy after that, the people have spoken. It relieves him of all the shit. People have forgotten that this guy was variably pro EU before Farage came along and he spotted the climate. Whatever way the wind blows, really. All he really wants to do is to line the pockets of his healthy friends. And this is a fact. ALL the rest in incidental. ALL OF IT.

Like all post 1900 Tories, he is Not the Labour Party. The best way of doing that now is in promising to spend some money. Nobody gave that advice to May because they knew she'd lose the next election and they all wanted her out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If thats the case why are you lot fucking moaning cheer up ffs.

Right!

The hardcore neoliberals in the Tory party who have been wetting the bed about government spending for the last 10 years have suddenly gone silent.

And the Keynsians on the left (of which I am one) are now bleating about how it's going to be paid for.

I'm living in a fucking parallel universe where it's even beginning to sound like I'm defending Boris fucking Johnson for fuck's sake.

Calm down folks - get a grip - or at least be consistent.

Boris is just doing a Tony Blair.

Like Tony, Boris does not have to do anything for the extreme wing of his party - there's too few of them to keep him in power and they've got nowhere to go.

Boris - like Tony did - does however have to pander to the people in the middle, and needs to nick a few votes from the other side.

It's pretty much what I predicted last week.

Next stop soft brexit with single market membership"
.

The trouble with economists is they don't see what's right in front of them, they just continue on with outdated thinking.

There was a paradigm shift in 1973 and they've yet to latch on, capital is fluid and making 6% returns (5% of the population live of capital) the rest of us are wage earners with no leverage in a global economy, our returns have been negative to productivity and profit the difference between earnings and productivity is 11.4% ,11.4% of the global GDP is about 15 trillion dollars, that's gone to the 5% living off capital.

If your still stuck in 1973 your answer is to tax that 5% but alas it's 2019 and they just fuck off elsewhere.

There's two types of popularists those on the right choose to blame immigration and globalism for the predicament were in, those on the left choose to blame capitalism and globalism for the predicament were in.

I myself don't know what the answer is, all solutions seen to have dangerous consequences, were in a new 20 year period of politics that will be dominated by popularists,I can foresee the end of both labour and the conservative party though, in ten years time it will be the greens Vs the nationalists or the liberals Vs the luddites.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures


"

--Boris really wants a 2nd ref, I've said that for ages, and it's true of most of them too. Why wouldn't he? It's democracy after that, the people have spoken. It relieves him of all the shit. People have forgotten that this guy was variably pro EU before Farage came along and he spotted the climate. Whatever way the wind blows, really. All he really wants to do is to line the pockets of his healthy friends. And this is a fact. ALL the rest in incidental. ALL OF IT.

Like all post 1900 Tories, he is Not the Labour Party. The best way of doing that now is in promising to spend some money. Nobody gave that advice to May because they knew she'd lose the next election and they all wanted her out."

I'd agree that he would probably LOVE a second referrendum so that he could side-step delivering on his impossible brexit promises, but that's the one thing that will make the whole of the Tory party shit blood and unite against him.

Because if they do it, not only will it split the party once and for all, it will give the Brexit National Party a big enough slice of their vote to ensure that the Tories position as the unopposed party of the right is finished for good - and the whole point of the referrendum in the first place was to avoid that.

It's far more likely that the Tories will go for any iteration of Brexit that they have a chance of passing through the house - keep quiet - hope not too many people speak up - hope the press toes the line - and pray no one notices.

So it'll be soft brexit with single market membership or May's deal with the backstop but they'll call the backstop something else and hope no one notices

Which will probably work because hardcore brexiters will believe anything they're told, and rational brexiters are so fucking weary of the whole debacle they'll just keep quiet so they can move on.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures


"

The trouble with economists is they don't see what's right in front of them, they just continue on with outdated thinking.

There was a paradigm shift in 1973 and they've yet to latch on, capital is fluid and making 6% returns (5% of the population live of capital) the rest of us are wage earners with no leverage in a global economy, our returns have been negative to productivity and profit the difference between earnings and productivity is 11.4% ,11.4% of the global GDP is about 15 trillion dollars, that's gone to the 5% living off capital.

If your still stuck in 1973 your answer is to tax that 5% but alas it's 2019 and they just fuck off elsewhere.

There's two types of popularists those on the right choose to blame immigration and globalism for the predicament were in, those on the left choose to blame capitalism and globalism for the predicament were in.

I myself don't know what the answer is, all solutions seen to have dangerous consequences, were in a new 20 year period of politics that will be dominated by popularists,I can foresee the end of both labour and the conservative party though, in ten years time it will be the greens Vs the nationalists or the liberals Vs the luddites. "

You've been reading / watching Mark Blyth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The trouble with economists is they don't see what's right in front of them, they just continue on with outdated thinking.

There was a paradigm shift in 1973 and they've yet to latch on, capital is fluid and making 6% returns (5% of the population live of capital) the rest of us are wage earners with no leverage in a global economy, our returns have been negative to productivity and profit the difference between earnings and productivity is 11.4% ,11.4% of the global GDP is about 15 trillion dollars, that's gone to the 5% living off capital.

If your still stuck in 1973 your answer is to tax that 5% but alas it's 2019 and they just fuck off elsewhere.

There's two types of popularists those on the right choose to blame immigration and globalism for the predicament were in, those on the left choose to blame capitalism and globalism for the predicament were in.

I myself don't know what the answer is, all solutions seen to have dangerous consequences, were in a new 20 year period of politics that will be dominated by popularists,I can foresee the end of both labour and the conservative party though, in ten years time it will be the greens Vs the nationalists or the liberals Vs the luddites.

You've been reading / watching Mark Blyth"
.

I've followed him for years along with zerohedge, max and Stacy, Steve keen.

You get honest answers out of them with little political bias, plus keen and Blyth are not particularly wedded to economics so they perhaps see a bigger picture of the problems.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Bojo mentioning 2000 police, BUT their is a crisis in the prison system. What about rehab of prisoners, also failing drastically!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Bojo mentioning 2000 police, BUT their is a crisis in the prison system. What about rehab of prisoners, also failing drastically! "
Exactly mate thats why we need brexit done then they can concentrate on important home issues.The trouble is all these remain mps want to drag this brexit on until everyone is fed up with it and nothing else is getting done.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"So recruiting 20,000 more police is a negative ?"

It is not positive, it is window dressing and a sap to people like you. For any increase in police numbers to be positive first it is necessary to return police (and civilian police support) numbers to their pre 2010 numbers.

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"And there was me thinking this should be a happy thread everyone will be behind this one.How wrong can you be it seems to me if boris said im going to give everyone in the uk £10,000 there would still be doom and gloom merchants saying it should have been more. "

You are aware there isn't new money for this?

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By *oan of DArcCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Bojo mentioning 2000 police, BUT their is a crisis in the prison system. What about rehab of prisoners, also failing drastically! Exactly mate thats why we need brexit done then they can concentrate on important home issues.The trouble is all these remain mps want to drag this brexit on until everyone is fed up with it and nothing else is getting done. "

The remainers wanted to maintain the status quo, it's the exiters who've created the issue and most of them with no consideration of how it would be transitioned or the consequences of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The trouble is all these remain mps want to drag this brexit on until everyone is fed up with it and nothing else is getting done. "

Still peddling this lie again when we all know it was the hardcore Brexiters and DUP who kept declining deals that would've had us out by now.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"The trouble is all these remain mps want to drag this brexit on until everyone is fed up with it and nothing else is getting done.

Still peddling this lie again when we all know it was the hardcore Brexiters and DUP who kept declining deals that would've had us out by now. "
Tell me how many remain mps voted for any deal? It cant be "lies" as if they had we would be out by now.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Support for society needs to be balanced and comprehensive, otherwise these police, if they get recruited, could have much of their resources trying to cope with the lack of investment in youth, social care and combating the effects of reduced income and increased costs, that the poorer sections of society have faced for over 10 years.

Much of the Cons spoken approach isn't backed up by good evidence, though results in antagonism and increased hostility/alienation of disaffected people. It would be good if they could do some joined up thinking for a change, before spending our money

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"The trouble is all these remain mps want to drag this brexit on until everyone is fed up with it and nothing else is getting done.

Still peddling this lie again when we all know it was the hardcore Brexiters and DUP who kept declining deals that would've had us out by now. Tell me how many remain mps voted for any deal? It cant be "lies" as if they had we would be out by now."

Actually, we would be out if the DUP and ERG backed May's deal.

That is true, right?

They would be getting most of what they wanted. It was only a transition agreement after all. If the border was so easy to fix with technology there would be practically no backstop period to worry about. They could have gone full on Brexteimist afterwards.

They didn't though. Why do you think that is?

Remain voting MPs would be voting against what they thought was in the beat interests of the country.

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