FabSwingers.com forum: Johnson's Speech

By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype"."

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

mind you... he did finally concede that yes there would be some issues post brexit.... nice of him to wait 3 years to tell us from his own mouth!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

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negativity comes easily to some on here it’s been like this for 3yrs now don’t mention a glass half full lol

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

negativity comes easily to some on here it’s been like this for 3yrs now don’t mention a glass half full lol"

I'm a glass full person half full is not enough and half of empty is always zero

Thus when on a fucking plane that's lost all its fuel and is plummeting earth bound due to facts like gravity and a number of newtonian laws, I'm the very positive one, organising orchestrating, coordinating a safe and ordered evacuation using parachutes NOT hanging on the yoke , rocking back and forward willing the dead bird skyward away from its inevitable doom x

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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

Hope you're right.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

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Dont be suprised if you get an even bigger majority for leave.If the greens and lib/dems decide not to stand against each other in certain constituencies i wouldn't bet on the tories and brexit party doing the same.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

negativity comes easily to some on here it’s been like this for 3yrs now don’t mention a glass half full lol

I'm a glass full person half full is not enough and half of empty is always zero

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype"."

Is this a thread about Corbyn

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By *bi_AstrayTV/TS
over a year ago

Plymouth

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

He has a proven history of lying, making homophobic and racist comments... All positives to you then eh?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

He has a proven history of lying, making homophobic and racist comments... All positives to you then eh?

It's modern politics, hold up minority groups and blame them for everything and or rhidicule them to the baying masses

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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

Ok. Now he's had a chance to do something.

Dominic Raab is Foreign Secretary.

Priti Patel is Home Secretary.

Gavin Williamson is Education Secretary.

My negativity is justified.

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype"."

They all talk a good game, it’s how they get elected. It reminds me of Blackadder “ Sense and Sinility”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

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If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom .

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . "
If he was to announce that the 3 british auxiliary ships that are out for tender in the eu are going to be built in the uk using british steel i would think he pinching a few more from up north with the amount of leavers up there.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

As a lifelong middle of the road Conservative, this Leader and his Cabinet do not inspire me nor fill me with confidence.

The time that I allow new politicians to impress me will be a lot shorter this time.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Another Tory PM spouting the same shite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

As a lifelong middle of the road Conservative, this Leader and his Cabinet do not inspire me nor fill me with confidence.

The time that I allow new politicians to impress me will be a lot shorter this time. "

I'm glad some can class it as a winning team with no data or results to gauge their opinions on

31st October 11pm will be one of the first defining moments of this glorious Government but the first is probably going to be Iran.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . . The current polls are showing 4 parties quite close with Labour 2% ahead , if the tories believe that starting 2 points behind Labour with 2 other parties breathing down their necks , will give them a 40 seat majority they should perhaps look at the polls when they called the 2017 General Election when they were hoping for a majority of 100 ,, which were Comservative 46 , Labour 25 , LibDem 11 , UKIP 8 , Green 3 "
Not into polls but if you look at yougov voting intentions from 19 hours ago.tories 25% libs 23% labour 19% brexit 17% but i dont hold much faith in polls.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Give the man a chance ....too much negative attitude about

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Give the man a chance ....too much negative attitude about"
Deffo more police more, money for education for starters whats not to like.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . . The current polls are showing 4 parties quite close with Labour 2% ahead , if the tories believe that starting 2 points behind Labour with 2 other parties breathing down their necks , will give them a 40 seat majority they should perhaps look at the polls when they called the 2017 General Election when they were hoping for a majority of 100 ,, which were Comservative 46 , Labour 25 , LibDem 11 , UKIP 8 , Green 3 Not into polls but if you look at yougov voting intentions from 19 hours ago.tories 25% libs 23% labour 19% brexit 17% but i dont hold much faith in polls."
. I was merely pointing out the error of the post which showed the polls were showing a 40 seat majority , even the Yougov poll does not show this . .

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . . The current polls are showing 4 parties quite close with Labour 2% ahead , if the tories believe that starting 2 points behind Labour with 2 other parties breathing down their necks , will give them a 40 seat majority they should perhaps look at the polls when they called the 2017 General Election when they were hoping for a majority of 100 ,, which were Comservative 46 , Labour 25 , LibDem 11 , UKIP 8 , Green 3 Not into polls but if you look at yougov voting intentions from 19 hours ago.tories 25% libs 23% labour 19% brexit 17% but i dont hold much faith in polls.. I was merely pointing out the error of the post which showed the polls were showing a 40 seat majority , even the Yougov poll does not show this . . "

ComRes poll on the 23 July : “latest MRP projection suggests a 40-seat majority for the Conservatives under his leadership if an election were held tomorrow.”

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman
over a year ago

London

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . . The current polls are showing 4 parties quite close with Labour 2% ahead , if the tories believe that starting 2 points behind Labour with 2 other parties breathing down their necks , will give them a 40 seat majority they should perhaps look at the polls when they called the 2017 General Election when they were hoping for a majority of 100 ,, which were Comservative 46 , Labour 25 , LibDem 11 , UKIP 8 , Green 3 Not into polls but if you look at yougov voting intentions from 19 hours ago.tories 25% libs 23% labour 19% brexit 17% but i dont hold much faith in polls.. I was merely pointing out the error of the post which showed the polls were showing a 40 seat majority , even the Yougov poll does not show this . .

ComRes poll on the 23 July : “latest MRP projection suggests a 40-seat majority for the Conservatives under his leadership if an election were held tomorrow.”"

Yeah right. If that was the case, why were there so many demonstrations on his first day of office? I've never seen such a short honeymoon.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . . The current polls are showing 4 parties quite close with Labour 2% ahead , if the tories believe that starting 2 points behind Labour with 2 other parties breathing down their necks , will give them a 40 seat majority they should perhaps look at the polls when they called the 2017 General Election when they were hoping for a majority of 100 ,, which were Comservative 46 , Labour 25 , LibDem 11 , UKIP 8 , Green 3 Not into polls but if you look at yougov voting intentions from 19 hours ago.tories 25% libs 23% labour 19% brexit 17% but i dont hold much faith in polls.. I was merely pointing out the error of the post which showed the polls were showing a 40 seat majority , even the Yougov poll does not show this . .

ComRes poll on the 23 July : “latest MRP projection suggests a 40-seat majority for the Conservatives under his leadership if an election were held tomorrow.”"
. In which case Johnson should call a snap General Election today , there was actually a time during his speech ( ramble ) outside of 10 Downing Street yesterday that I thought he was going to . Although he may just wait until after next weeks by-election

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . . The current polls are showing 4 parties quite close with Labour 2% ahead , if the tories believe that starting 2 points behind Labour with 2 other parties breathing down their necks , will give them a 40 seat majority they should perhaps look at the polls when they called the 2017 General Election when they were hoping for a majority of 100 ,, which were Comservative 46 , Labour 25 , LibDem 11 , UKIP 8 , Green 3 Not into polls but if you look at yougov voting intentions from 19 hours ago.tories 25% libs 23% labour 19% brexit 17% but i dont hold much faith in polls.. I was merely pointing out the error of the post which showed the polls were showing a 40 seat majority , even the Yougov poll does not show this . .

ComRes poll on the 23 July : “latest MRP projection suggests a 40-seat majority for the Conservatives under his leadership if an election were held tomorrow.”. In which case Johnson should call a snap General Election today , there was actually a time during his speech ( ramble ) outside of 10 Downing Street yesterday that I thought he was going to . Although he may just wait until after next weeks by-election "

There was a very brief second I also thought he’s going to call an election

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Give the man a chance ....too much negative attitude aboutDeffo more police more, money for education for starters whats not to like.

Needed to given those and other essential services have been cut to the bone by the Tories..

Putting something back to near the level it was before you decimated it is not some sort of great National victory but it will be spun as such..

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . . The current polls are showing 4 parties quite close with Labour 2% ahead , if the tories believe that starting 2 points behind Labour with 2 other parties breathing down their necks , will give them a 40 seat majority they should perhaps look at the polls when they called the 2017 General Election when they were hoping for a majority of 100 ,, which were Comservative 46 , Labour 25 , LibDem 11 , UKIP 8 , Green 3 Not into polls but if you look at yougov voting intentions from 19 hours ago.tories 25% libs 23% labour 19% brexit 17% but i dont hold much faith in polls.. I was merely pointing out the error of the post which showed the polls were showing a 40 seat majority , even the Yougov poll does not show this . .

There was a very brief second I also thought he’s going to call an election

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. I wonder if it was the same moment ????

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

If we do get one it may be good news . Current polls suggest a majority of 40 . We are now on a winning streak. Have faith in the Conservative party and back life's winners . Ignore the merchants of doom and gloom . . The current polls are showing 4 parties quite close with Labour 2% ahead , if the tories believe that starting 2 points behind Labour with 2 other parties breathing down their necks , will give them a 40 seat majority they should perhaps look at the polls when they called the 2017 General Election when they were hoping for a majority of 100 ,, which were Comservative 46 , Labour 25 , LibDem 11 , UKIP 8 , Green 3 Not into polls but if you look at yougov voting intentions from 19 hours ago.tories 25% libs 23% labour 19% brexit 17% but i dont hold much faith in polls.. I was merely pointing out the error of the post which showed the polls were showing a 40 seat majority , even the Yougov poll does not show this . .

There was a very brief second I also thought he’s going to call an election

. I wonder if it was the same moment ????

Probably ....

“...The time has come to act,

to take decisions

to give strong leadership and to change this country for the better

and though the Queen has just honoured me with this extraordinary office of state

my job is to serve you, the people....”

This point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!! "

Where did you see this ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!!

Where did you see this ?"

ComRes website.

Tory majority is under briefky on Boris under insights.

Labour win is under 18/7 poll for Britain elects.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see Boris has already broke Royal protocol

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Less than 24 hours in the job and the first major gaffe.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Won't be the last..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!!

Where did you see this ?

ComRes website.

Tory majority is under briefky on Boris under insights.

Labour win is under 18/7 poll for Britain elects.

I see the poll on the 18th but it has labour on 28% and conservatives on 25%. It also says “If the parties were to achieve these vote shares at a General Election it would result in Labour being the largest party but 42 seats short of a majority (Lab 284, Con 215, LD 53, SNP 39, Brex 37, PC 3, Grn 1”

You mentioned ComRes might be contradicting themselves as they had stated Labour would have a 69 seat majority?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!!

Where did you see this ?

ComRes website.

Tory majority is under briefky on Boris under insights.

Labour win is under 18/7 poll for Britain elects.

You mentioned ComRes might be contradicting themselves as they had stated Labour would have a 69 seat majority?"

Sorry, majority was the wrong word. 69 lead on tories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But still contradicting themselves as they are putting tories hugely in the lead (to have a majority) and yet lagging Labour.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!!

Where did you see this ?

ComRes website.

Tory majority is under briefky on Boris under insights.

Labour win is under 18/7 poll for Britain elects.

You mentioned ComRes might be contradicting themselves as they had stated Labour would have a 69 seat majority?

Sorry, majority was the wrong word. 69 lead on tories.

69 lead ?

3 point lead (which had a week earlier been 4 points)

The 40 seat majority for the conservatives if an election was held tomorrow is ComRes projection.

No contradiction

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

I suspect you are right, and Johnson will try to frame the election as No Deal versus Remain.

The unwritten rule that elections in the UK are won by winning the centre ground is being torn up.

He is putting together a Cabinet with one qualification - its members are committed to winning a No Deal outcome.

Johnson will come up against two roadblocks - Brussels and Westminster.

The only way forward is a mandate from the public to leave without a deal.

This is a Cabinet designed to switch seamlessly from governance to election mode.

How many of the 52 per cent will vote for No Deal when framed as a binary choice with Remain.

The last poll I saw said 44 %, with 42% Remain.

He will aim for the entire vote share to his right and gamble on the Remain/Leave With A Deal opposition being split several ways.

He is stealing Farage's clothes with tactics that appear to mimic Trump.

The huge risk for Johnson, however, is that galvanising the right and far right around No Deal will drive a huge fracture in the unity of the Union.

It is quite conceivable he will win an election and lose the country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!!

Where did you see this ?

ComRes website.

Tory majority is under briefky on Boris under insights.

Labour win is under 18/7 poll for Britain elects.

You mentioned ComRes might be contradicting themselves as they had stated Labour would have a 69 seat majority?

Sorry, majority was the wrong word. 69 lead on tories.

69 lead ?

3 point lead (which had a week earlier been 4 points)

The 40 seat majority for the conservatives if an election was held tomorrow is ComRes projection.

No contradiction

As per your previous post this would give Labour 284 seats, 69 more than the tories 215. This is a ComRes projection too. And the question was who ould you vote for if there was a GE tomorrow. Other than the opinion piece I can find no other source for boris's majority... And given all the other polls it really doesn't feel right he'd get a majority with the brexit party on the scene...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Going by boris's speech the magic money tree just became a large copse of magic money trees..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!!

Where did you see this ?

ComRes website.

Tory majority is under briefky on Boris under insights.

Labour win is under 18/7 poll for Britain elects.

You mentioned ComRes might be contradicting themselves as they had stated Labour would have a 69 seat majority?

Sorry, majority was the wrong word. 69 lead on tories.

69 lead ?

3 point lead (which had a week earlier been 4 points)

The 40 seat majority for the conservatives if an election was held tomorrow is ComRes projection.

No contradiction

69 more seats than conservatives - in the 18/7 poll (although they state they would not have an overall majority)

The 23/7 projection suggests the conservatives would have a 40 seat majority

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

There may well be a Boris bounce among the Brexit supporters.

The real test is going to be whether Brexit is delivered on 31st October.

Either it is delivered and there is an electoral boost for the Tories or it is not delivered and we have a very interesting election, probably with no overall control for any faction.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The US said there will be no US/UK trade deal without a backstop.

The EU said there will be no EU/UK trade deal without a backstop.

So it will be nice to see him change their minds, and to clarify that in his opinion people voted to cut off trade with the rest of the world.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The US said there will be no US/UK trade deal without a backstop.

The EU said there will be no EU/UK trade deal without a backstop.

So it will be nice to see him change their minds, and to clarify that in his opinion people voted to cut off trade with the rest of the world."

Or to deliver a speech where he blusters, waffles and generally flim flams in his admission that he has had to go back on his nuclear button option of no deal on the 31st..

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

The tree is not as big as the Labour one though ....if they ever got in power ...but hey with jc in charge they got no chance ...even Labour people are not that silly

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

PMQs is pretty interesting. No inevitable second referendum it’s seems.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The tree is not as big as the Labour one though ....if they ever got in power ...but hey with jc in charge they got no chance ...even Labour people are not that silly"

Keep up, it's nigh on a Fekin forest with all the things he's said thus far..

Which of course he will backtrack on or as usual bluster and not answer any actual questions..

Jc is not my choice..

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

He’s been in prominent political positions for a number of years already.... and in that time done more than enough to justify and negativity about him.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

Back “life’s winners”?

So what about everyone else?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ComRes seem to contradict themselves. Their insight says a Tory majority. Yet one of their polls has Labour having a 69 majority... Both commentary and polls are published about two days apart!!

Where did you see this ?

ComRes website.

Tory majority is under briefky on Boris under insights.

Labour win is under 18/7 poll for Britain elects.

You mentioned ComRes might be contradicting themselves as they had stated Labour would have a 69 seat majority?

Sorry, majority was the wrong word. 69 lead on tories.

69 lead ?

3 point lead (which had a week earlier been 4 points)

The 40 seat majority for the conservatives if an election was held tomorrow is ComRes projection.

No contradiction

69 more seats than conservatives - in the 18/7 poll (although they state they would not have an overall majority)

The 23/7 projection suggests the conservatives would have a 40 seat majority

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I can't see a more recent set of results... Its just an article saying "the latest projection", with no reference to what projection and what data was used to make this projection. A majority of 40 is what, 365 seats? So 150 more than the 215 they predicted a few days earlier... And it's not as tho anyone had any doubts Boris would be PM. Until I see the poll I'm cynical as it seems a large swing and counter to all other polls...

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

I dont listen to poles ...I like fact ie we voted out fact....get out go Boris go Boris....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont listen to poles ...I like fact ie we voted out fact....get out go Boris go Boris...."

I can't tell if you're a parody account at times or if you're just that sterotype old white gammons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what he is smoking lol

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Why tk u for that ...x

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

I dont smoke m8 ...I just like a laugh at the cost of most who think they know it all ...but most know f... all ....but I like entertainment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont smoke m8 ...I just like a laugh at the cost of most who think they know it all ...but most know f... all ....but I like entertainment "
I meant boris there and yes they think they know it all dont they lol.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

U so right..plus so many experts on fab ...maybe we could have a fabswingers cabinet minister

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"U so right..plus so many experts on fab ...maybe we could have a fabswingers cabinet minister"
The trouble with that is all the ones who know everything are on the shadow swingers bench.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

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Lets face it you would not give him credit even if he doubled your living standard you just do not like the guy because your a class racist like many in society,do not be so quick to judge.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

What's a class racist?

A bigot in a shirt and tie?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Class Racist? You what mate. The term is Classist/Classism and it's often used most by people in the middle upper class to look down on normal people.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

Lets face it you would not give him credit even if he doubled your living standard you just do not like the guy because your a class racist like many in society,do not be so quick to judge."

Given his appalling track record, and rather sketchy grasp of the concept of “truth”, why do you find it so hard to believe that people may not like him, or what he appears to stand for?

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"good to see you give people a chance, why not save all that negativity until the guy has had at least a chance to do something.

negativity comes easily to some on here it’s been like this for 3yrs now don’t mention a glass half full lol"
too many negative waves moriarity

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

It's funny seeing Brexiteers talk about negativity. It was their own negative, victim mentality view of Britain that led to all this - the idea that we are the poor, weak, bullied serfs of the EU rather than the truth, that we are one of the main and most influential powers within it, with lots of benefits that other countries don't have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Boris did well in The House of Commons today, he's definitely in his element at the despatch box.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think Boris did well in The House of Commons today, he's definitely in his element at the despatch box. "

Cos he's more of a showman..

It's feckin incredible the amount of things he's going to sort out..

Ironically most of them are down to his own party in government theses last few year's and he was rather quiet over them..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It's funny seeing Brexiteers talk about negativity. It was their own negative, victim mentality view of Britain that led to all this - the idea that we are the poor, weak, bullied serfs of the EU rather than the truth, that we are one of the main and most influential powers within it, with lots of benefits that other countries don't have. "

Some just needed someone else to blame for their less than perfect lives, global capital etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

He’s really pandering, that speech was more about setting his stall for a general election. He will make wild promises as the summer recess is coming. He’s going to promise so much then everyone will believe him then, it will be a hard right government for the next 5 years.

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats.. "

Got to love the loony liberal left lol

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

Got to love the loony liberal left lol"

Nothing of substance to add eh..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats.. "

But the bus wasn’t a lie

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

Got to love the loony liberal left lol

Nothing of substance to add eh..

No think what I said summed it up really.

See if you can mention trump a bit more next time lol

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Exactly. Not to mention the way they coined the term ‘remoaners’, given that they had been professionally moaning for about 40 bloody years, and there was precisely no chance of them stopping if the vote had gone the other way.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

Got to love the loony liberal left lol"

Got to love a bit of lame ass name calling as substitute for constructive argument.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

Exactly. It was just a random statement thrown out there intended to be the starting point for a discussion. Jesus wept. It’s the complete and utter lack of accountability for this sort of bullshit that’s the most depressing.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

But it wasn’t random or a lie

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

Got to love the loony liberal left lol

Got to love a bit of lame ass name calling as substitute for constructive argument. "

Well I could just attack and slander political people I don’t like but it would take to long.

So prefer what I stated

Funny it all seems to be attack but no solutions given

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

Got to love the loony liberal left lol

Got to love a bit of lame ass name calling as substitute for constructive argument.

Well I could just attack and slander political people I don’t like but it would take to long.

So prefer what I stated

Funny it all seems to be attack but no solutions given "
Thats all this forum is about get used to it.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

Got to love the loony liberal left lol

Got to love a bit of lame ass name calling as substitute for constructive argument.

Well I could just attack and slander political people I don’t like but it would take to long.

So prefer what I stated

Funny it all seems to be attack but no solutions given "

I don’t follow you... you appear to be suggesting that people shouldn’t be critical of the fact that Boris Johnson has an appalling grip on things like the truth, and facts.... unless they also provide solutions? That makes no sense, but humour me... solutions to what exactly?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

When you say “slander”, you do realise it’s only slander if the things said about him aren’t true?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

Got to love the loony liberal left lol

Got to love a bit of lame ass name calling as substitute for constructive argument.

Well I could just attack and slander political people I don’t like but it would take to long.

So prefer what I stated

Funny it all seems to be attack but no solutions given

No it seems like you arnt following

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"When you say “slander”, you do realise it’s only slander if the things said about him aren’t true?"

Yes fully aware thanks

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"When you say “slander”, you do realise it’s only slander if the things said about him aren’t true?

Yes fully aware thanks"

So what has been said about him that isn’t true?

It certainly appears true that he has a questionable relationship with facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is a cunning man. How many other kids want to be king of the world at 5. Really motley crew of a cabinet but united by brexit. Dangerous times

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

cool... if you really think that the tories would win a majority of 40 i would take you up on any bet that its even close to that......

i'd even give you a fiver a seat +/- 30 seats to a charity of your choice if you took the over......

so can you tell me where the tories are going to pick up 50 seats, since you think they will get a majority and they would lose every seat they have in scotland......

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

It was:

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype"."

Words that promise everything.

We will see if they deliver anything.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

It would be interesting to watch what the Conservative / Brexit National Party split does over the next few weeks - and where, if anywhere, more moderate conservative votes go in response.

Looking at his cabinet picks, Boris first play seems to be to out Farrage Farrage and crush any opposition coming from other right wing parties, and seems like a good instinctual play.

The Tories have always done well when they've been only party representing the right, while the left and centre's vote has been split between the two other main parties- basically guaranteeing the Tories a decent shot at majority every time.

Couple that with a major shinkage of support for parties that occupy the middle ground over the last 10 years or so, and it looks like he's swimming with the tide.

I think we are detecting a bit of a backlash against the unbending religious fervour and magical thinking of the moonbats riding on unicorns fringe of Brexiters - enough even to put off a decent chunk of non-loony leave voters who make up the majority - but that vote is going to be split 3 ways - LibDems for remain, Labour for a softer Brexit - and none of the above.

So I think Boris will be happy to roll the dice on that, reclaim the Tories unopposed position of the right, and do a kind of reverse Tony Blair, saying to right wing voters what Blair said to left wing voters - "You've got nowhere else to go"

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

It was:

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/"

No it wasn’t:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"When you say “slander”, you do realise it’s only slander if the things said about him aren’t true?

Yes fully aware thanks

So what has been said about him that isn’t true?

It certainly appears true that he has a questionable relationship with facts."

Appears and facts have 2 very different meanings, but cool keep talking about what you been told

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

It was:

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

No it wasn’t:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf

That just means that what he said did not constitute an abuse of public office.

It makes no ruling on if the information was true or not does it?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

It was:

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

No it wasn’t:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf

That just means that what he said did not constitute an abuse of public office.

It makes no ruling on if the information was true or not does it?"

Lol no idea on the topic but your still guessing on stuff ( it just means ) lol you are the gift that keeps on giving

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Bloke on a swinging site quoting a document from 2017.

High Court Judge reasons for ruling in June 2019

I’m quite happy with the High Court Judge information.

Whatever anyone else chooses to read and accept is up to them .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As one of the leading Brexit extremists on here "Pat" says a court ruling is only based on what that judge thought on that day and doesn't make it a right decision

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Bloke on a swinging site quoting a document from 2017.

High Court Judge reasons for ruling in June 2019

I’m quite happy with the High Court Judge information.

Whatever anyone else chooses to read and accept is up to them

Did you read it? It says what I stated.

So I choose to believe the judgement

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"Bloke on a swinging site quoting a document from 2017.

High Court Judge reasons for ruling in June 2019

I’m quite happy with the High Court Judge information.

Whatever anyone else chooses to read and accept is up to them

Did you read it? It says what I stated.

So I choose to believe the judgement

If your saying it, and it’s says what you stated lol that is very unlikely, did you spin this one ?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Bloke on a swinging site quoting a document from 2017.

High Court Judge reasons for ruling in June 2019

I’m quite happy with the High Court Judge information.

Whatever anyone else chooses to read and accept is up to them

Did you read it? It says what I stated.

So I choose to believe the judgement

If your saying it, and it’s says what you stated lol that is very unlikely, did you spin this one ? "

So you are giving your opinion based on not having any information because you can't be bothered to read it?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"Bloke on a swinging site quoting a document from 2017.

High Court Judge reasons for ruling in June 2019

I’m quite happy with the High Court Judge information.

Whatever anyone else chooses to read and accept is up to them

Did you read it? It says what I stated.

So I choose to believe the judgement

If your saying it, and it’s says what you stated lol that is very unlikely, did you spin this one ?

So you are giving your opinion based on not having any information because you can't be bothered to read it?

Lol the topic no, but on how you twist things yes

The boy who cried wolf

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

It was:

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

No it wasn’t:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf

Just to be completely clear here (I actually thought you were being ironic earlier)...

Are you saying that you still believe that statement to be true?

It is your belief that when we leave the EU there will be an additional £350m available for the NHS?

Even though it has been thoroughly debunked, and there is footage of Boris Johnson talking about what the figure could actually be?

And he has since conceded that it was never intended to be a stated fact, but rather as “the starting point for a discussion”?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

It was:

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

No it wasn’t:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf

Just to be completely clear here (I actually thought you were being ironic earlier)...

Are you saying that you still believe that statement to be true?

It is your belief that when we leave the EU there will be an additional £350m available for the NHS?

Even though it has been thoroughly debunked, and there is footage of Boris Johnson talking about what the figure could actually be?

And he has since conceded that it was never intended to be a stated fact, but rather as “the starting point for a discussion”?"

The figure of 350 million is not a made up number

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success. "

I don’t get it. Given his appalling track record on many issues, which is well documented and in the public domain.... you still can’t get your head around that as a legitimate reason to be critical or sceptical about him?

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

Put it this way... suppose Jeremy Corbyn became PM.... and you were critical of him... how would you feel if people dismissed your criticism out of hand, and said you were just “a tad jealous of his success”?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

It was:

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

No it wasn’t:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf

Just to be completely clear here (I actually thought you were being ironic earlier)...

Are you saying that you still believe that statement to be true?

It is your belief that when we leave the EU there will be an additional £350m available for the NHS?

Even though it has been thoroughly debunked, and there is footage of Boris Johnson talking about what the figure could actually be?

And he has since conceded that it was never intended to be a stated fact, but rather as “the starting point for a discussion”?

The figure of 350 million is not a made up number "

What is it based on then?

It is your belief that when we leave the EU there will be an additional £350m available for the NHS or not?

Why do you suppose it isn’t mentioned any more, and the likes of Nigel Farage has conceded it was bullshit?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

Is Mr Corbyn your choice ? If not what current politician would you like leading the country ?

Just wondering

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

We need some one fresh, like Joe swift Liberal Democrats.

Not Boris Johnson the f/ing clown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

350m wasn't made up... Its the amount we owe the eu before the rebate.

The contention is whether we give 350m to the eu. As what we send over is less than that. Because it is net of the rebate.

You may argue its semantics.

But when it's used in the context of using it on the NHS, theres a disconnect with what people may think you are saying... The NHS will benefit by 350m with no cost elsewhere... With reality... If we give 350m then we need to find some money to cover whatever the rebate currently pays for...

Ps the boy who cried wolf was eventually right. Its just the town didn't believe him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well it sounded like it’s a giveaway. Money being thrown left right and centre.

Saying yes to literally everything!

Considering it’s the tories which have cause this mess, too little, too late!

Damned if I will vote for the tories.

This..

It's typical Cummings spin, like the now admitted lie that was on the bus..

He's well on the way is the blond Donald mini me to catching up with trump in the lying stats..

But the bus wasn’t a lie

It was:

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

No it wasn’t:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019ewhc-1709-admin-johnson-v-westminster-mags-final.pdf

Just to be completely clear here (I actually thought you were being ironic earlier)...

Are you saying that you still believe that statement to be true?

It is your belief that when we leave the EU there will be an additional £350m available for the NHS?

Even though it has been thoroughly debunked, and there is footage of Boris Johnson talking about what the figure could actually be?

And he has since conceded that it was never intended to be a stated fact, but rather as “the starting point for a discussion”?

The figure of 350 million is not a made up number

What is it based on then?

It is your belief that when we leave the EU there will be an additional £350m available for the NHS or not?

Why do you suppose it isn’t mentioned any more, and the likes of Nigel Farage has conceded it was bullshit?

The £350 million a week is totally irrelevant now since the UK has lost around £600 million a week since the referendum from the costs of the Bank of England's measures to negate a fallout after the referendum and lost investment over the last 3 years.

The next thing we'll be told again about is the Brexit dividend

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

Ps the boy who cried wolf was eventually right. Its just the town didn't believe him. "

Yep and when this guy is finally right no one will believe him either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He talks a good game - but it's clear he's capable of little else; as he's about to discover, with his 'bottom of the barrel' Cabinet.

As Public Enemy said, "Don't Believe The Hype".

i said in one of the other threads.... i believe now more than ever we are getting a general election in the autumn

cool... if you really think that the tories would win a majority of 40 i would take you up on any bet that its even close to that......

i'd even give you a fiver a seat +/- 30 seats to a charity of your choice if you took the over......

so can you tell me where the tories are going to pick up 50 seats, since you think they will get a majority and they would lose every seat they have in scotland......"

Found the poll. Was from 7th July.

Intersting (for geeks) they asked the standard question about voting intentions 25% of those who would vote and expressed an opinion went for tories.

Yet if asked "assume Boris was pm" or "assume hunt was pm" the tories scored higher both time.

Id suggest this is focusing bias so the tories are over weighted.

It is the "if Boris" version which leads to the 40 seat win.

But those results are out of line with most polls.. Indeed out of line with even their more recent poll... So I'm not convinced...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

Corbyn has acheived nothing, if he got to number 10 I'd give him a chance. Same as I did with Blair, then Brown. Its called being open minded, something labour supporters are incapable of as I have noted elsewhere.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance "

Yep, he wasn't my choice but he is what we've got so lets get behind him. I said at the beginning if we aren't united we will get nothing from the EU. If we are united they know our position strengthens.

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him."

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up."

Yes, the UK as gone to the dogs.

If could now to the EU tomorrow we would.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So you couldn’t think of anything to be critical of Corbyn about up until now?

It’s not about not being open minded.

Why does being critical of his past record make you see people as not being open minded?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

Yes, the UK as gone to the dogs.

If could now to the EU tomorrow we would. "

Fair play if that is your opinion. I personally don't agree, but if you want to make the move there is nothing stopping you both. Best of luck with it if you do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So you couldn’t think of anything to be critical of Corbyn about up until now?

It’s not about not being open minded.

Why does being critical of his past record make you see people as not being open minded?"

I can think of loads to be critical of Corbyn for, and have been, but if he was PM I'd give him a chance. If you read the thread you will find I already said that. Do they teach comprehension in Scotland

Fortunately he will never be PM because most sane people, and most people are sane, think he is a twat

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

"Yep, he wasn't my choice but he is what we've got so lets get behind him. I said at the beginning if we aren't united we will get nothing from the EU. If we are united they know our position strengthens."

Wouldn't we need to trust him in order to consider it being worthwhile to get behind him?

The most charitable description of his trustworthiness would be that he's a bit of a bluffer

Wouldn't he need to convince the people who are willing to seek consensus and compromise on both sides, that he can do the same?

Right now he's playing solely to the minority in peanut gallery of moonbats riding on flying unicorns who will never compromise on anything.

The ball is in Boris' court to get behind the people of Britain - not the other way round

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

Is Mr Corbyn your choice ? If not what current politician would you like leading the country ?

Just wondering "

I haven’t said who my choice would be, and it’s not really relevant here.

Given that there is plenty to be critical of Johnson about, why do you dismiss those perfectly valid reasons, and instead conclude that it is simply that people are jealous of his success?

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

If Corbyn was to win a term as PM, even his own party members wouldn’t give him a chance!

I laughed so much when his own party member agreed with May when she said he should do the right thing and quit.

I’m glad he hasn’t though, because he is the tories greatest asset. With him in charge Labour haven’t a chance in hell of getting in. Long may he stay as their leader

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

Is Mr Corbyn your choice ? If not what current politician would you like leading the country ?

Just wondering

I haven’t said who my choice would be, and it’s not really relevant here.

Given that there is plenty to be critical of Johnson about, why do you dismiss those perfectly valid reasons, and instead conclude that it is simply that people are jealous of his success?"

Hey relax I’ve no dog in this fight I was only wondering who your guy was that’s all, if it’s a secret no worries

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

Is Mr Corbyn your choice ? If not what current politician would you like leading the country ?

Just wondering

I haven’t said who my choice would be, and it’s not really relevant here.

Given that there is plenty to be critical of Johnson about, why do you dismiss those perfectly valid reasons, and instead conclude that it is simply that people are jealous of his success?

Hey relax I’ve no dog in this fight I was only wondering who your guy was that’s all, if it’s a secret no worries "

And to think, you’re the guy complaining about other people not answering questions....

This one is pretty simple:

Given that there is plenty to be critical of Johnson about, why do you dismiss those perfectly valid reasons, and instead conclude that it is simply that people are jealous of his success?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

Is Mr Corbyn your choice ? If not what current politician would you like leading the country ?

Just wondering

I haven’t said who my choice would be, and it’s not really relevant here.

Given that there is plenty to be critical of Johnson about, why do you dismiss those perfectly valid reasons, and instead conclude that it is simply that people are jealous of his success?

Hey relax I’ve no dog in this fight I was only wondering who your guy was that’s all, if it’s a secret no worries

And to think, you’re the guy complaining about other people not answering questions....

This one is pretty simple:

Given that there is plenty to be critical of Johnson about, why do you dismiss those perfectly valid reasons, and instead conclude that it is simply that people are jealous of his success?"

Friend I know nothing about Mr Johnson or Mr Corbyn, I’m not avoiding anything I just don’t have any knowledge on the topic, what so ever I was simply wondering who your guy was ,, relax dude

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"350m wasn't made up... Its the amount we owe the eu before the rebate.

The contention is whether we give 350m to the eu. As what we send over is less than that. Because it is net of the rebate.

You may argue its semantics.

Ps the boy who cried wolf was eventually right. Its just the town didn't believe him. "

It’s not £350m though is it? With the rebate, it’s more like £250m.

And you know all those “Funded by the EU” signs you see? Where do you think that money comes from?

We’re part of the EU, so do actually benefit from the money that goes into the EU.

And I’d wager that the EU is better at distributing funds around more remote and rural parts of the UK than Westminster would be.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

Yes, the UK as gone to the dogs.

If could now to the EU tomorrow we would. "
Gone to the dogs? mate i dont know what you expect but this country is one of the best in the world to live in.Try traveling a bit and see how a lot of the world live then come back and say its gone to the dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

Yes, the UK as gone to the dogs.

If could now to the EU tomorrow we would. Gone to the dogs? mate i dont know what you expect but this country is one of the best in the world to live in.Try traveling a bit and see how a lot of the world live then come back and say its gone to the dogs."

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"If Corbyn was to win a term as PM, even his own party members wouldn’t give him a chance!

I laughed so much when his own party member agreed with May when she said he should do the right thing and quit.

I’m glad he hasn’t though, because he is the tories greatest asset. With him in charge Labour haven’t a chance in hell of getting in. Long may he stay as their leader

Very true

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up."

What is really fucked up is how a discussion about the trading relationship that we have with our closest neighbours has resulted in so many people being groomed by political agitators to think that it is in fact a Nationalist cause.

What about if people just happen to think that the EU is better with the U.K. in it and the U.K. is better in the E.U.? It is just that simple for a lot of people and those people do not deserve to be labelled as unpatriotic, anti democrats just because they hold pragmatic, middle of the road, common sense views.

Think seriously about how you you are framing this entire question and if it really is about patriotism and Nationalism to you - perhaps you should look at how you have allowed yourself to be guided down that road.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up."

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Given that virtually every economic expert / model predicts that the UK will be worse off economically after leaving rather EU, it seems to me that it’s the people who voted to leave who who are putting bullshit like nationalistic pride before the economic welfare of the country.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait "

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?"

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ? "

Yeah, have another referendum , we leave without a deal or the Theresa Mays deal? Is that democracy

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ? "

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

It’s not really about democracy as such - I don’t think it was necessarily a good idea to have a referendum on such an important decision, where most people didn’t really know enough about it, and were told a lot of misinformation and outright lies. That’s generally why we have a government - we don’t vote on every decision the government needs to make.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

I agree, I also believe that most people who voted to leave didn’t expect it to to be this complete fuck up and we would be leaving without a deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the UK is forced to stay in the EU by the government even though the vote was to leave, would that make the UK an autocracy?

Also I see the EU have played right into BJ’s hands by coming right out and saying the deals the deal end of! And so making it look like they rare the ones who will not change anything

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

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over a year ago

"If the UK is forced to stay in the EU by the government even though the vote was to leave, would that make the UK an autocracy?

Also I see the EU have played right into BJ’s hands by coming right out and saying the deals the deal end of! And so making it look like they rare the ones who will not change anything

We should have another referendum and If the country wants to leave without a deal they will vote for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ? "

They were given a choice based on lies and miss information (on both sides). We now have 2 options (3 if you include staying in the EU) , leave with Mays deal or a no deal. It is democratic to let ‘the people’ decide ?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"If the UK is forced to stay in the EU by the government even though the vote was to leave, would that make the UK an autocracy?

Also I see the EU have played right into BJ’s hands by coming right out and saying the deals the deal end of! And so making it look like they rare the ones who will not change anything

The only outcome that has ever been in the control of the UK Government to deliver is to exit with no agreement.

Yet it is the one outcome consistently the UK consistently has refused to plan for.

It dismissed repeatedly in 2016 as ridiculous and project fear.

The expectations of the Leave campaign - that the EU would give the UK terms that were better than membership - have been exposed as ridiculous optimism.

If the UK decides not to accept the terms on the table, the decision to leave without any will be the UK's and the UK's alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ? "

Should they not be allowed to choose again?

Britainelects has a tracker of all polls. In 2016 to mid 2017 leave was the preferred option. There's been only one poll since 2018 which has placed leave as the preferred option. The meta analysis suggests the winds have changed.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Shall we have another vote after that one if some people are up set ? Or another one after that one and so on ?

If you proposed 2nd democratic vote is the way to go why did we bother having the first one and what makes your 2nd one have less lies and miss information ( on both sides )

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Should they not be allowed to choose again?

Should we have another vote but can only vote on what are views will be in 5 years time ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Polls are useless because they just ask the right people for the outcome they are looking for to support their agenda.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"why did we bother having the first one"

Because David Cameron wanted to shore up the Tory vote against the UKIP threat. That's literally it.

Let's not pretend the initial referendum was a natural and therefore sacred result of 'democracy'. It was purely a political move.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Shall we have another vote after that one if some people are up set ? Or another one after that one and so on ?

If you proposed 2nd democratic vote is the way to go why did we bother having the first one and what makes your 2nd one have less lies and miss information ( on both sides )"

It will be a straight forward decision, Mays deal or a no deal? Which are the only 2 ways we can leave the EU. Very simple and democratic. If we were given the original vote why can’t we be given a second vote?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Should they not be allowed to choose again?

Should we have another vote but can only vote on what are views will be in 5 years time ? "

When we leave the EU would you prefer Mays deal, or a no deal ??

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Johnson and others have declared the withdrawal agreement dead, so there is no way he is going to revive it now for a referendum, not least because it would mean the Government arguing for No Deal.

No, the likeliest outcome is a General Election with the Conservative Party campaigning on a No Deal ticket. That will kill the Brexit Party, if it has already drifted away from Farage to Johnson.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Johnson and others have declared the withdrawal agreement dead, so there is no way he is going to revive it now for a referendum, not least because it would mean the Government arguing for No Deal.

No, the likeliest outcome is a General Election with the Conservative Party campaigning on a No Deal ticket. That will kill the Brexit Party, if it has already drifted away from Farage to Johnson.

And if the conservatives don’t win the election??

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Tweaked deal coming...

Lets see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tweaked deal coming...

Lets see

Tweaked?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Tweaked deal coming...

Lets see

Tweaked?

Aye ....tweak: improve by making fine adjustments to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tweaked deal coming...

Lets see

Tweaked?

Aye ....tweak: improve by making fine adjustments to it.

Won’t happen, and even if it is ‘tweaked’ it will still fail to get through parliament

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Tweaked deal coming...

Lets see

Tweaked?

Aye ....tweak: improve by making fine adjustments to it.

Won’t happen, and even if it is ‘tweaked’ it will still fail to get through parliament

In your opinion...

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Shall we have another vote after that one if some people are up set ? Or another one after that one and so on ?

If you proposed 2nd democratic vote is the way to go why did we bother having the first one and what makes your 2nd one have less lies and miss information ( on both sides )

Wasn’t the 1st one a simple deal leave or stay ?

And if there is a 2nd vote why will it be taken any more seriously than the 1st ? Shall we have a vote on how many votes we have before we stick with that vote ?

Everyone had a voice everyone had a choice everyone had a vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Shall we have another vote after that one if some people are up set ? Or another one after that one and so on ?

If you proposed 2nd democratic vote is the way to go why did we bother having the first one and what makes your 2nd one have less lies and miss information ( on both sides )

Wasn’t the 1st one a simple deal leave or stay ?

And if there is a 2nd vote why will it be taken any more seriously than the 1st ? Shall we have a vote on how many votes we have before we stick with that vote ?

Everyone had a voice everyone had a choice everyone had a vote "

Nope. First vote was on wether we leave the second vote is on how we leave . When you voted in the first referendum did you know how we would leave the EU? I don’t think you understand what democracy means ?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Should they not be allowed to choose again?

Should we have another vote but can only vote on what are views will be in 5 years time ?

When we leave the EU would you prefer Mays deal, or a no deal ??"

Personally I know very little about brexit so what’s best I’m not really sure

What I do know is if we make a mockery of democracy it’s a slippery slope that’s all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tweaked deal coming...

Lets see

Tweaked?

Aye ....tweak: improve by making fine adjustments to it.

Won’t happen, and even if it is ‘tweaked’ it will still fail to get through parliament

In your opinion...

Of course, and it was ‘your opinion ‘ the deal would get ‘tweaked’ . Only time will tell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ? "

Was the campaign conducted by johnson and farage honest, without lies and supported by real facts? No. The campaign was unfair and based on lies. Normal people have been deceived and manipulated. So what democracy do you speak about? Thus, the referendum has nothing to do with democracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Polls are useless because they just ask the right people for the outcome they are looking for to support their agenda.

Individually I'd agree there is a risk of an agenda playing through. But reputable posters should be mitigating for this.

And that's why the meta view is interesting. Unless no leave group has commissioned a poll since April 2018....

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Tweaked deal coming...

Lets see

Tweaked?

Aye ....tweak: improve by making fine adjustments to it.

Won’t happen, and even if it is ‘tweaked’ it will still fail to get through parliament

In your opinion...

Of course, and it was ‘your opinion ‘ the deal would get ‘tweaked’ . Only time will tell

Yes, agree, time will tell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Should they not be allowed to choose again?

Should we have another vote but can only vote on what are views will be in 5 years time ?

When we leave the EU would you prefer Mays deal, or a no deal ??

Personally I know very little about brexit so what’s best I’m not really sure

What I do know is if we make a mockery of democracy it’s a slippery slope that’s all"

You don’t know the meaning of democracy ?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

Sooooo people are to thick to make there own decisions or do there own research? Wow

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

And if the conservatives don’t win the election?? "

Farage will become de facto leader of the right.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

So it doesn’t bother you that the result (assuming we leave), means that the UK will almost certainly be worse off economically? That a lot of people will be worse off, or lose their jobs?

The people have spoken, right or wrong everyone had a voice and a choice

Should people not have a voice of a choice ?

Should they not be allowed to choose again?

Should we have another vote but can only vote on what are views will be in 5 years time ?

When we leave the EU would you prefer Mays deal, or a no deal ??

Personally I know very little about brexit so what’s best I’m not really sure

What I do know is if we make a mockery of democracy it’s a slippery slope that’s all

You don’t know the meaning of democracy ?

Obviously not then ,, I’m looking forward to socialism mind woo hoo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

Sooooo people are to thick to make there own decisions or do there own research? Wow"

I'm not saying that. Do you know what manipulation is? Do you know what the campaign is for? Certainly not to lie to people. People base their political knowledge on the knowledge of politicians, most of whom are liars and manipulators. Unfortunately.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"So much negativity from people who, in possibility, are a tad jealous of his success.

In your mind the most obvious explanation is simply that people are “a tad jealous of his success”?

So let’s give Mr Johnson a chance

Well done the EU need to stand up to this Moron who is now our prime minister and his sheep following behind him.

So you put the EU before your own country

That is seriously fucked up.

How on earth do you get from criticising Boris Johnson to putting the EU before the UK?

Yeah shouldn’t we have a vote ,,,,,, o wait

We did. And people voted to almost certainly make the UK worse off economically.

What’s your point? That democracy doesn’t always work out very well?

Well personally I think democracy is the right way and if people voted to leave then we leave if they voted to stay we stay, simple

Any other way you would like it to go if you don’t think democracy is the right way ?

Sooooo people are to thick to make there own decisions or do there own research? Wow

Your 100% correct, just wish there was 1 decent politician out there let alone enough to run a government.

Unfortunately dumb peoples vote are just as valid

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