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By *inkywife1981 OP Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

What do the good people of Fab think of this deal.

An additional 99,000 tonnes of beef for EU farmers to compete with esp of concern for Irish farmers.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

We won't be a part of it, will we, so it's like asking what we think of a trade agreement between one foreign trade bloc and another foreign trade bloc.

Good or bad, we are shutting ourselves out of it.

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By *inkywife1981 OP Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

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By *iscreet_divorced_guyMan
over a year ago

central

"We won't be a part of it, will we, so it's like asking what we think of a trade agreement between one foreign trade bloc and another foreign trade bloc.

Good or bad, we are shutting ourselves out of it."

I wasn’t aware that the politics forum only concerned UK politics?

Despite what some may think, there is a world outside of the island, although they would have you believe that you’re better off not engaging with them!

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By *inkywife1981 OP Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

Yes. Plenty of fabbers across the pond .

Plus you ain't out till your out

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By *ocketman99Man
over a year ago

fermanagh

Fortunately Ireland has rejected the deal and are determined to defeat it in the EU...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's bad for the rainforest.

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By *iscreet_divorced_guyMan
over a year ago

central

"Yes. Plenty of fabbers across the pond .

Plus you ain't out till your out"

That may be some time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bring in zero tarrifs across the board (as some Brexiteer suggest to reduce prices) will be exactly the same.... Yet no upside.

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By *inkywife1981 OP Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

Considering that Ireland is one of the biggest exporters of Beef within Europe this deal has the potential to significantly hurt our farmers, add to that the uncertainty surrounding brexit and the fact that the UK is a big market for us.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Considering that Ireland is one of the biggest exporters of Beef within Europe this deal has the potential to significantly hurt our farmers, add to that the uncertainty surrounding brexit and the fact that the UK is a big market for us.

Exactly ... but you think the Irish farmers will take top billing when they are up against the German car manufacturers ?

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By *inkywife1981 OP Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

Exactly ... but you think the Irish farmers will take top billing when they are up against the German car manufacturers ?"

Unfortunately were in no doubt to our position in the pecking order or the fact were nothing more than cannon fodder

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Exactly ... but you think the Irish farmers will take top billing when they are up against the German car manufacturers ?

Unfortunately were in no doubt to our position in the pecking order or the fact were nothing more than cannon fodder

Part of Ireland’s economy sacrificed for the benefit of part of the German economy

The beauty of being in the EU club ?

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By *inkywife1981 OP Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

Exactly ... but you think the Irish farmers will take top billing when they are up against the German car manufacturers ?

Unfortunately were in no doubt to our position in the pecking order or the fact were nothing more than cannon fodder

Part of Ireland’s economy sacrificed for the benefit of part of the German economy

The beauty of being in the EU club ?"

I guess that's the thing being in the EU, it's always going to benefit the big boys more as our fishermen have found out and farmers soon will.

That said we have a modern country now with lots of infrastructure which we didn't have before.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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Exactly ... but you think the Irish farmers will take top billing when they are up against the German car manufacturers ?

Unfortunately were in no doubt to our position in the pecking order or the fact were nothing more than cannon fodder

Part of Ireland’s economy sacrificed for the benefit of part of the German economy

The beauty of being in the EU club ?

I guess that's the thing being in the EU, it's always going to benefit the big boys more as our fishermen have found out and farmers soon will.

That said we have a modern country now with lots of infrastructure which we didn't have before."

Silver lining

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are eu tariffs on beef High then? To have prevented a flood of wrgie beef I'm guessing so.

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By *inkywife1981 OP Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

"Are eu tariffs on beef High then? To have prevented a flood of wrgie beef I'm guessing so. "

I would imagine so, but with a no deal brexit potentially on the cards it doesn't look good for the 50% of all beef exports from Ireland to the UK, then on the other side we have this deal with south American beef to compete with in our other beef markets.

Price of cattle will probably fall through the floor in the next 6 to 12 months.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Exactly ... but you think the Irish farmers will take top billing when they are up against the German car manufacturers ?

Unfortunately were in no doubt to our position in the pecking order or the fact were nothing more than cannon fodder

Yes, I wish these English would get a dose of realism about their place in the pecking order, too.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Exactly ... but you think the Irish farmers will take top billing when they are up against the German car manufacturers ?

Unfortunately were in no doubt to our position in the pecking order or the fact were nothing more than cannon fodder

Yes, I wish these English would get a dose of realism about their place in the pecking order, too.

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English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly ... but you think the Irish farmers will take top billing when they are up against the German car manufacturers ?

Unfortunately were in no doubt to our position in the pecking order or the fact were nothing more than cannon fodder

Yes, I wish these English would get a dose of realism about their place in the pecking order, too.

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So are you saying that people from Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales do not matter. We are all part of the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do the good people of Fab think of this deal.

An additional 99,000 tonnes of beef for EU farmers to compete with esp of concern for Irish farmers.

I've read articles on south American beef ranging from quality control concerns to carbon footprint concerns, esp given that this beef has to shipped thousands of miles to it's new EU market and if it's a success south American farmers may potentially clear more rain forests for cattle grazing."
If the Irish beef is of bettèr quality there is nothing to fear. Surely the key issue is why should consumers pay more for a product than is necessary ? We should have a choice of what beef we choose to buy.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

So are you saying that people from Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales do not matter. We are all part of the UK."

Lol. Lolololol.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out."

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

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What no scots,welsh or n irish voted leave? you do make me laugh the way you try to spin things.Keep up the good work as i look foreward to your posts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

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Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom."

The European Union is more democratic.

Every country has a vote.

Not in this union.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Lololololo ... lol

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

One size fits all, eh?

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom."

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues."

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"One size fits all, eh?"

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along "

Played right into their hands then. Very smart.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along

Played right into their hands then. Very smart."

Cynical!

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along

Played right into their hands then. Very smart.

Cynical!"

True.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along

Played right into their hands then. Very smart.

Cynical!

True."

Your cynicism - yes.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along

Played right into their hands then. Very smart.

Cynical!

True.

Your cynicism - yes."

Good comeback. Yawn.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well."

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along

Played right into their hands then. Very smart.

Cynical!

True.

Your cynicism - yes.

Good comeback. Yawn."

I thought so , thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

The European Union is more democratic.

Every country has a vote.

Not in this union.

at moment Poland and Hungary have limited voting rights in the so-called democratic system of the EU

Further the so-called democratic system does not accept other democratic systems such as Switzerland.

Sadly only a very small minority of British citizens read fluent 2,3 or even 4 languages as then many would see that the EU is not what the press here make out it to be.

Ireland, Greece, Cyprus and Italy are all just 3rd countries in the aims of France and Germany

if Irish farmers lose their jobs tough, if Greece OAP commit suicide because they have nothing left tough..

Germany and France have both their own interests and for that the rest of the EU "serve"

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland decided the result of the referendum.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Limited voting rights.

Are voting rights.

These do not exist in this union.

How long would the EU last if the vote of one country determined every decision?

That's why the UK will not last.

It is highly centralised.

There is no national sovereignty, only supra-national sovereignty.

Brexit makes it unstable.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Limited voting rights.

Are voting rights.

These do not exist in this union.

How long would the EU last if the vote of one country determined every decision?

That's why the UK will not last.

It is highly centralised.

There is no national sovereignty, only supra-national sovereignty.

Brexit makes it unstable.

How much longer before the smaller countries start questioning their place in the grand scheme of things?

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along

Played right into their hands then. Very smart.

Cynical!

True.

Your cynicism - yes.

Good comeback. Yawn.

I thought so , thank you

I was being very sarcastic. Thanks for helping break up the UK

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Not long. England alone will be a small country in the grand scheme of things.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

English?

dont you mean british and we have thats why we want out.

The English vote is taking the United Kingdom out of the EU.

Wakey, wakey!

Plus the vote in Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. We are all part of the United Kingdom.

Not for long if this shit show caused by the Leave vote continues.

Nationalist Scots wanted to break up the union long long before brexit came along

Played right into their hands then. Very smart.

Cynical!

True.

Your cynicism - yes.

Good comeback. Yawn.

I thought so , thank you

I was being very sarcastic. Thanks for helping break up the UK

Presumptuous ...

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Not long. England alone will be a small country in the grand scheme of things.

Blame the nationalists

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"Not long. England alone will be a small country in the grand scheme of things.

Blame the nationalists "

We do. The ones who voted Leave.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Not long. England alone will be a small country in the grand scheme of things.

Blame the nationalists

We do. The ones who voted Leave."

And the northerners?

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"Not long. England alone will be a small country in the grand scheme of things.

Blame the nationalists

We do. The ones who voted Leave.

And the northerners?"

Eh?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Not long. England alone will be a small country in the grand scheme of things.

Blame the nationalists "

I do.

They have set in course a chain of events.

If we continue on this course, the United Kingdom will split.

I do not know if the first will be Northern Ireland or Scotland.

But once it starts, it will be unstoppable.

England will too busy with its own internecine race war to notice the Balkanisation of Britain.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Not long. England alone will be a small country in the grand scheme of things.

Blame the nationalists

I do.

They have set in course a chain of events.

If we continue on this course, the United Kingdom will split.

I do not know if the first will be Northern Ireland or Scotland.

But once it starts, it will be unstoppable.

England will too busy with its own internecine race war to notice the Balkanisation of Britain.

I do as well...

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"What do the good people of Fab think of this deal.

An additional 99,000 tonnes of beef for EU farmers to compete with esp of concern for Irish farmers.

I've read articles on south American beef ranging from quality control concerns to carbon footprint concerns, esp given that this beef has to shipped thousands of miles to it's new EU market and if it's a success south American farmers may potentially clear more rain forests for cattle grazing."
Argentinian steak is the best in the world,better than American love it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

Didn't Wales vote to leave too?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

Didn't Wales vote to leave too? "

It wasn't a "country by country" referendum but a UK referendum.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

Didn't Wales vote to leave too?

It wasn't a "country by country" referendum but a UK referendum. "
You cant tell the snp that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

Didn't Wales vote to leave too?

It wasn't a "country by country" referendum but a UK referendum. "

Yes I know but if you follow the thread you'll understand why I pointed this out

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

Didn't Wales vote to leave too?

It wasn't a "country by country" referendum but a UK referendum. You cant tell the snp that.

And if you really want to go into semantics..... 41.6% of the registered electorate in Scotland voted to Remain. So it's entirely truthful to also say that Scotland didn't vote to Remain.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

Didn't Wales vote to leave too?

It wasn't a "country by country" referendum but a UK referendum. You cant tell the snp that.

And if you really want to go into semantics..... 41.6% of the registered electorate in Scotland voted to Remain. So it's entirely truthful to also say that Scotland didn't vote to Remain. "

and 25.5% of the registered electorate in Scotland voted to Leave.

I wonder what the other 1.3 million of them wanted..

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

Didn't Wales vote to leave too?

It wasn't a "country by country" referendum but a UK referendum. You cant tell the snp that.

And if you really want to go into semantics..... 41.6% of the registered electorate in Scotland voted to Remain. So it's entirely truthful to also say that Scotland didn't vote to Remain.

and 25.5% of the registered electorate in Scotland voted to Leave.

I wonder what the other 1.3 million of them wanted..

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whisky

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"One size fits all, eh?

It doesn’t ... as the Mercosur agreement is highlighting very well.

It does when it comes to Brexit.

One country decides what four countries do.

Not for long, though.

10 years from now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will not exist.

Didn't Wales vote to leave too?

It wasn't a "country by country" referendum but a UK referendum. You cant tell the snp that.

And if you really want to go into semantics..... 41.6% of the registered electorate in Scotland voted to Remain. So it's entirely truthful to also say that Scotland didn't vote to Remain.

and 25.5% of the registered electorate in Scotland voted to Leave.

I wonder what the other 1.3 million of them wanted..

whisky

And haggis

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The middle/upper class in brazil might want higher quality, greener, grass fed EU beef.

I cant see EU people buying brazil/argentina marked beef unless they are really poor.

Maybe it will make its way into shitty pre made meals. But even countries like lidil will use Higher quality beef instead of the cheapest junk they can find.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Brazil's greatest export is also free - 20% of global oxygen supplies.

Is it about time the rest of the world started paying Brazil to manage it?

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

"Brazil's greatest export is also free - 20% of global oxygen supplies.

Is it about time the rest of the world started paying Brazil to manage it?

Does the world have to also pay every other country that makes up the other 80% ?

I’ve a few house plants, can I have some money also ?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

EU "democracy" in action...

MEPs back process that could strip Hungary of EU voting rights

Sanctions unlikely, but censure may damage Budapest’s international standing.

By Maïa de La Baume

| 6/25/18, 8:57 PM CET

| Updated 4/19/19, 1:55 AM CET

A key committee in the European Parliament voted by a large majority in favor of triggering the EU's so-called Article 7 process against Hungary, which could ultimately lead to EU sanctions for failing to uphold the bloc’s core values.

MEPs from the Justice and Home Affairs Committee voted by 37 votes to 19 to back a resolution, drafted by Dutch Green MEP Judith Sargentini, which says the situation in Hungary exposes "a clear risk of a serious breach of the values referred to in Article 2 of the Treaties" and calls on the Article 7(1) procedure.

Sargentini's text highlights concerns about the independence of the judiciary, academic freedom, corruption, freedom of expression, and the rights of migrants in Hungary, among other issues.

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s government has been accused by critics at home and abroad of putting Hungary on the road to autocracy and reintroducing undemocratic practices. Earlier this month, the Hungarian parliament passed controversial legislation banning anyone from assisting or providing information to migrants and asylum-seekers.

The government has repeatedly dismissed such criticism as overblown and unwarranted meddling in Hungary's domestic affairs.

If the full Parliament votes in favor on Sargentini's resolution at a plenary session in September, the assembly will formally ask the Council to trigger the first of a three-step process that could lead to Hungary being stripped of its voting rights in the Council.

Although the final step of sanctions is unlikely — as all other EU member countries would have to vote in favor — a decision to begin the process could damage Hungary’s international standing.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

More EU "democracy" in action...

The European Union could take the rare step of removing voting powers from a member state. Poland's right-wing government is in trouble because it is interfering with the principle of an independent judiciary, which is considered sacrosanct by the powers that be in Brussels.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Seems the EU is "democratic" only until you don't do it their way.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

And.... lets not forget, this is the organisation who said that they would "punish" us for daring to think we could leave!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, it is the rules.

To qualify for membership, you have to adhere to certain principles:

Democratic elections.

Human rights.

Separation of state and judiciary.

Anti-corruption.

Etc

Poland has scrapped the third and politicised the appointment of judges.

You gotta play by the rules if you wanna be in the club.

These rules are also why the likes of Turkey will never get into the EU in a month of Sundays.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The other thing to keep in mind is that democracy, as we understand it, is still immature in the states who left the Warsaw Pact.

Some have a yearning to return to a more authoritarian way of life.

That is their choice.

But it means leaving the EU.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Are you saying that it should be OK to join the European Union and agree to adhere to its core values and then change your mind about adhering to those very same core values?

Hungary and Poland both take a great deal of benefit from the European Union and they both agreed to uphold the values and rules of the EU. It is absolutely correct that they get sanctioned.

Just as an aside - are you suggesting that it should be OK for any country (let alone one in the EU) to have a politicised justice system? The US gets some stick for the way it’s Supreme Court operates but all the way down from that to street level - it is independent.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"Yes, it is the rules.

To qualify for membership, you have to adhere to certain principles:

Democratic elections.

Human rights.

Separation of state and judiciary.

Anti-corruption.

Etc

Poland has scrapped the third and politicised the appointment of judges.

You gotta play by the rules if you wanna be in the club.

These rules are also why the likes of Turkey will never get into the EU in a month of Sundays."

Ah yes, the "rules" that you have to abide by in order to join, not to mention the benchmarks for your economy etc, that have to be met....erm… yes, the likes of which Poland, Hungary, Turkey to name just a few wouldn't pass now....and in fact didn't pass when they were allowed in!

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

And in 2013, good ol' Angela Merkel herself said that Greece should not have been allowed to join the EU.

Its a protectionist racket, set up to allow the main players in Europe to set the economic pace, and allow them access to millions of their neighbours consumers.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

When she first came on the scene, Mrs Merkel saw a fundamental problem with Europe and summed it up with a set of numbers (and apologies if I cannot remember them exactly):

6, 25, 47

6% of global population

25% of global GDP

47% of global welfare spending

To Mrs Merkel, this was unsustainable (and looking at those numbers she is right)

She saw the countries of southern Europe as the "worst offenders" - low GDP and high welfare.

The single currency left the likes of Germany exposed to picking up the bill for what she saw as their overspending.

As happened later with Greece.

Hence the austerity measures to get spending under control.

Unfortunately, austerity ch0ked the life out of GDP growth and made the deficit worse.

Just as it did in the UK.

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