FabSwingers.com forum: Sir Kim Darroch

By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

Is he going to be neck deep in shit for telling the truth?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Whoever leaked it is more likely to be getting their P45.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Doubt it but think the person who leaked it should be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doubt it but think the person who leaked it should be."

I think Kim's only been doing his job and whoever leaked it should face the chop.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

thats what diplomats are paid to do... give their honest assessment of a person saying that to their government...

saying that though... I wonder if the us secretary of state is going to call him in for "a chat"....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"thats what diplomats are paid to do... give their honest assessment of a person saying that to their government...

saying that though... I wonder if the us secretary of state is going to call him in for "a chat"....

If he does just do a Trump on Trump! Deny it, it's alternative facts, some has cloned the email address or if all else fails just tell to fuck off!

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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Whoever leaked it is more likely to be getting their P45."

True. That and a wee spell at Her Majesty's Pleasure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was only doing what he is paid to do. Be the UK govts eyes and ears in Washington. But the leak is only stating what we all already knew to be fair .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"thats what diplomats are paid to do... give their honest assessment of a person saying that to their government...

saying that though... I wonder if the us secretary of state is going to call him in for "a chat"....

Spot on.

Whole leak looks a set up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was only doing what he is paid to do. Be the UK govts eyes and ears in Washington. But the leak is only stating what we all already knew to be fair .

Very true

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Whoever leaked has at a minimum broken the official secrets act (and that is 2 years in clink there), and if it happens to be say a junior (or senior) Minister of The Crown or Member of The Privy Council there is the extra charge of misconduct in a public office that carries up to life imprisonment (I believe).

Regardless, I expect that shortly the US State Dept will be requesting The Palace of St James to replace 'His Excellency' The UK Ambassador to the USA.

Think this is without doubt one to watch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see Trump's poodle Farage is up in arms calling for our diplomats head to roll because he's dared to do his job truthfully as he sees things in the states and because years ago Farage met him and judged he had pro EU views.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

bearing in mind what was leaked and who it was leaked to.... i wouldn't be pointing the finger at someone in the civil service,

I am guessing it is more likely to be a ex minister or a political advisor (brexiteer) who has an axe to grind

the one thing that had come from this is most people on all sides have come to his defence.....

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"bearing in mind what was leaked and who it was leaked to.... i wouldn't be pointing the finger at someone in the civil service,

I am guessing it is more likely to be a ex minister or a political advisor (brexiteer) who has an axe to grind

the one thing that had come from this is most people on all sides have come to his defence..... "

I was not pointing the finger at a civil servant, I was covering all bases and not being politically biased, that was why I also mentioned the Privy Council. But I agree with you that the likelihood is that the leak was from a political source on the right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be interesting to know what the US Ambassador to the UK thinks and reports back about our shower of incompetence

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"bearing in mind what was leaked and who it was leaked to.... i wouldn't be pointing the finger at someone in the civil service,

I am guessing it is more likely to be a ex minister or a political advisor (brexiteer) who has an axe to grind

the one thing that had come from this is most people on all sides have come to his defence..... "
Interested to know why you think a brexiteer?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"bearing in mind what was leaked and who it was leaked to.... i wouldn't be pointing the finger at someone in the civil service,

I am guessing it is more likely to be a ex minister or a political advisor (brexiteer) who has an axe to grind

the one thing that had come from this is most people on all sides have come to his defence..... Interested to know why you think a brexiteer? "

Me too. I can see that this harms a diplomat who some Leavers think is pro-Remain but damaging UK-US relations at this time when, if BREXIT goes ahead, we will be very dependent on that relationship, is very counterproductive to the BREXIT cause, as are the contents.

Regardless who it was who leaked this or what their motivations are, they should have the book thrown at them. Our diplomats must be able to report back what they truthfully believe without the fear that those reports will ever be read or known about by those their job requires them to report on.

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown

I like how nobody is claiming he's wrong; they’re just complaining we all found out he said it.

It gives me hope frankly.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"bearing in mind what was leaked and who it was leaked to.... i wouldn't be pointing the finger at someone in the civil service,

I am guessing it is more likely to be a ex minister or a political advisor (brexiteer) who has an axe to grind

the one thing that had come from this is most people on all sides have come to his defence.....

Interested to know why you think a brexiteer? "

because sir Kim had already announced he was going at the end of the year, and he wasn't well liked by the right wing and especially nigel farage, plus the journo who "released" the story isobel oakeshott is a know brexiteer with very close links to leave.eu, aaron banks, wigmore and farage

the story helps with the timing that now johnson can put in a "patsy" to appease trump in at that position as you basically made sir kims position untenable

bearing in mind the diplomatic cables in question come from 2 years ago... and a couple in the last 10 day, that says she may have been either sitting on them for a while... or someone just gave them to her

anyway i've been talking to friends in the FCO today and they are all convinced its come from either an ex minister (senior or junior) or a political advisor to a minister...

nothing do to with the civil service and everything to do with politics....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I like how nobody is claiming he's wrong; they’re just complaining we all found out he said it.

It gives me hope frankly. "

they are not... and thats the frankly annoying part...

the man was doing his job! he is paid to give frank opinions back... if this was done in emails then yes thats careless, but this was said in diplomatic cables!

the uk government aren't apologising for the contents... only that the contents is coming out...

if i was hunt, and i had any spine at all... I'd be calling in the US Ambassador for "a chat"..... because the us president is very quick to talk about UK affairs on twitter all the time... but yet this is the reaction when anything negative comes back

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Seems that Trump has got lots to say tonight on the matter!

Loks like a battle of wills coming up. Does the UK replace him or annoy Trump even more by keeping him there?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Seems that Trump has got lots to say tonight on the matter!

Loks like a battle of wills coming up. Does the UK replace him or annoy Trump even more by keeping him there? "

i'd love to say keep him there.... but his position basically just became untenable, which was the whole point on the leak....

they will say the timing of the leak/story in just coincidental with the new pm coming in..... this clears the path for a new pm to make the decision on who the man in washington is next...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like how nobody is claiming he's wrong; they’re just complaining we all found out he said it.

It gives me hope frankly. "

There's nothing wrong with him giving his Frank assessment, after all that's exactly his job.

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown

"I like how nobody is claiming he's wrong; they’re just complaining we all found out he said it.

It gives me hope frankly.

There's nothing wrong with him giving his Frank assessment, after all that's exactly his job. "

No, I mean nobody is arguing the Trump White House is a shit-show.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Trump saying ( on the twittery thingy ) that he will no longer work with our current embassador ,, I think he wants us to send over someone to say " yes , sir , mr trump sir " to be our embassadors replacement

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

I’m reminded of the furore over the Wiki leaks. Hilary Clinton as Secretary of State was meeting a head of state and apologising for the things said about him. He replied “You should hear what our ambassador says about you !!”.

I wonder what the American ambassador is saying about our highly professional government?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Doubt it but think the person who leaked it should be."

Is Farage right to demand his resignation?

Why do you think that he has?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doubt it but think the person who leaked it should be.

Is Farage right to demand his resignation?

Why do you think that he has?"

Farage should learn to keep his big gob shut!

Also he'd probably drop the Brexit party if Boris offered him the Ambassador role.

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By *ighland gentlemanMan
over a year ago

Ardgay

"Trump saying ( on the twittery thingy ) that he will no longer work with our current embassador ,, I think he wants us to send over someone to say " yes , sir , mr trump sir " to be our embassadors replacement "

Did not Trump himself say Farage would make a great ambassador?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t trust a word Farage says.

Even his bit on trade talks with the USA.

Legally we can’t conduct official talks until we actually leave the EU.

He forgets to mention those laws when he talks and says he will do better with the USA.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Seems that Trump has got lots to say tonight on the matter!

Loks like a battle of wills coming up. Does the UK replace him or annoy Trump even more by keeping him there?

i'd love to say keep him there.... but his position basically just became untenable, which was the whole point on the leak....

they will say the timing of the leak/story in just coincidental with the new pm coming in..... this clears the path for a new pm to make the decision on who the man in washington is next...

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The new pm could have done that anyway.Love your conspiracy theories but they dont stack up.Also could have waited until january as he is retiring.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Is he going to be neck deep in shit for telling the truth?"
He was giving his opinion it is not a truth or a lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did not Trump himself say Farage would make a great ambassador?"

Yes and the way Farage didn't properly answer when asked if he'd like the job makes me think he'd drop TBP in favour of the diplomatic role.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I see Trump has spat the dummy again, and torn a strip off Mrs May in the process.

One for the new PM's in-tray.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the new PM bends over for trump and assumes the position we will know the cut of his cloth..

I suspect Boris has already applied some lube in preparation ...I'm not sure hunt is as submissive.

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown

"If the new PM bends over for trump and assumes the position we will know the cut of his cloth..

I suspect Boris has already applied some lube in preparation ...I'm not sure hunt is as submissive."

Hunt has already got his tongue right up the orange chute. Look up his non-defence of Sadiq Khan. He met with Trump as soon as he got off AF-1 and then to the press it was just 'Trump being Trump hee hee' Prick.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"If the new PM bends over for trump and assumes the position we will know the cut of his cloth..

I suspect Boris has already applied some lube in preparation ...I'm not sure hunt is as submissive.

I really don't think Sadiq wants or needs Jeremy H to defend him against Trump's attacks and it's not Jeremy H's job to do so. There are many people other than Trump and outside of the US that don't agree with Sadiq and his policies as London Mayor and I would guess that Jeremy H, along with most Tory MPs, is among them. I don't see many Labour MPs or supporters rushing to defend TM from Trump's latest Twitter tirade either.

And anyway, being the target of one of Trump's twitters probably does the recipient more good than harm, whether they're TM or Sadiq.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So with Trump really throwing his toys out of his pram is it now time to return the favour and say the US Ambassador isn't welcome here now and won't be delt with either.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"So with Trump really throwing his toys out of his pram is it now time to return the favour and say the US Ambassador isn't welcome here now and won't be delt with either. "

Not a bit of it. Show him the dignity and respect that his Office deserves.

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown

He just resigned. What an absolute travesty. The mans tells it like he sees it in so-called confidential dispatches as he's supposed to, someone leaks it, Trump gets upset and so he has to resign.

Am I alone in wondering why the perception of being the EU's bitch is so terrible but toadying to the US in hopes of a scoring a likely one-sided trade deal is fine? What a fucking state we're in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's disgusting that we are now Americas bitch...

Sad as fuck ..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Well that saves a load of media banter when the new PM takes office....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's disgusting that we are now Americas bitch...

Sad as fuck .."

It's what Brexiters wanted

better to be America, Russia or China's bitch than be in the EU.

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown

I suppose the upside is that despite his bluster and hyperbole, Trump is awful at deal-making so maybe we'll come out ahead. Then again, trade deals can take decades so he'll likely be out of office before it's signed. Let's hope we don't get someone sharp to replace him.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

When the front runner to be PM refuses to back one of our countries Embassadors for basically saying what nigh on everyone else thinks it does not bode well for any senior civil servants in our democracy..

So much for leaving the EU and becoming great again, a great kow towing lap dog is not the future most leavers voted for is it?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

He has resigned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He has resigned."

When Theresa May gave him 'her full support' the other day, I knew his days were numbered

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"He has resigned."

Yes..

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"He has resigned.

Yes.. "

Not surprising

He became persona non grata the moment the idiot person who decided to leak the private memos did so.

That person is the real villain in all of this.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"He has resigned.

Yes..

Not surprising

He became persona non grata the moment the idiot person who decided to leak the private memos did so.

That person is the real villain in all of this."

Totally agree.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"He has resigned.

Yes..

Not surprising

He became persona non grata the moment the idiot person who decided to leak the private memos did so.

That person is the real villain in all of this."

Agree, whoever leaked it knew it would send trump into a twitter frenzy..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

johnson basically ran over sir kim last night at the behest of the vendictiveness of trump....

you keep talking about "regaining soverignty"..... this is what it looks like in brexit britain, bending over and taking your orders from washington...

johnson was spineless......and rightly is getting it from all sides today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There suggestions on Twitter- based around recent UK-USA bindings...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"johnson basically ran over sir kim last night at the behest of the vendictiveness of trump....

you keep talking about "regaining soverignty"..... this is what it looks like in brexit britain, bending over and taking your orders from washington...

johnson was spineless......and rightly is getting it from all sides today"

This..

And he had the nerve to say he has worked with the soon to be ex ambassador in the past and praised him..

Yet he was still gutless last night, coward..

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Sir Kim as quit his job god love him shall we have a whip round lol

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The guy was due to finish in december anyway and was quiet clear by the trump administration that they would have nothing to do with him so he has done the Honorable thing by quitting.A man of integrity.

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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

Well, now that he's resigned, he's free to say exactly what he thinks - in public.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Well, now that he's resigned, he's free to say exactly what he thinks - in public."
exactly but i notice its his resignation there is no mention of boris just that he was in an impossible position.Love the way everyone who dislikes boris puts this on boris though.The guy who leaked it is responsible for making the guys job impossible to do.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Well, now that he's resigned, he's free to say exactly what he thinks - in public.exactly but i notice its his resignation there is no mention of boris just that he was in an impossible position.Love the way everyone who dislikes boris puts this on boris though.The guy who leaked it is responsible for making the guys job impossible to do. "

Agree that the person who leaked it is the real cause of all this however for a guy wanting to be PM to not support him publicly when asked is indicative of the lack of integrity that seems to follow Boris..

Any leader should support their own in this instance and sort it out in private..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Patriots look after their own.

Traitors thrown them under the brexit bus.

Just saying

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Trust bob to get the brexit bus in lol

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Any leader should support their own in this instance and sort it out in private.. "
He was damned if he did and damned if he didnt.If he had said yes i will keep him there the country would have had an ambassador that was redundant and no use to the country whatsoever.If boris had swapped him out he would have been called a liar and if he had kept him he would have been neglecting his duty to the country.It beats me how alot of people on here cannot see that they are being played.If you had a business and an important customer overheard your head salesman being derogatory about him and refused to have him in the office would you a) send someone else to deal with him or b) tell them you deal with him or not at all?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Well why do you think Hunt facilitated the leak in the first place? Desperate times call for desperate measures

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m not sure from the recording if Mr Johnson did actually get a chance to say anything, for Mr Hunt’s over-talking. What I take from it is that, whatever his views on the ambassador, the man simply is not bright enough to know what to say and how to say it.

He’s not a negotiator or a free thinker or even someone capable of reasoning a situation out. The danger with him is that that type of personality is usually extremely self-seeking and easily lead- not ideal qualities as a leader of a pack of sweets, let alone a country.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"He was damned if he did and damned if he didnt.If he had said yes i will keep him there the country would have had an ambassador that was redundant and no use to the country whatsoever.If boris had swapped him out he would have been called a liar and if he had kept him he would have been neglecting his duty to the country.It beats me how alot of people on here cannot see that they are being played.If you had a business and an important customer overheard your head salesman being derogatory about him and refused to have him in the office would you a) send someone else to deal with him or b) tell them you deal with him or not at all?"

First rule of leadership is to lead, after LolBoris failed to do so the entire civil service now recognises that if the highest diplomat isn't safe then neither are they.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

First rule of leadership is to lead, after LolBoris failed to do so the entire civil service now recognises that if the highest diplomat isn't safe then neither are they. "

Boris actually said something quite the opposite, which actually strengthens the role of the civil service.

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

Here

Should have resigned with in 24 hours, put more shame on the UK by staying.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

First rule of leadership is to lead, after LolBoris failed to do so the entire civil service now recognises that if the highest diplomat isn't safe then neither are they. "
Did you actually watch the debate?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

First rule of leadership is to lead, after LolBoris failed to do so the entire civil service now recognises that if the highest diplomat isn't safe then neither are they. Did you actually watch the debate?"

I did, at no point (despite several opportunities) did LolBoris do anything other than squirm out of supporting Darroch. At no point did LolBoris affirm that a British diplomat can carry out their duties without fear of becoming political capital should their view not receive universal acceptance. So with that in mind what do you think ANY ambassador in ANY embassy is going to do when they have something less than flattering to report?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trust bob to get the brexit bus in lol"

You know it .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Patriots look after their own.

Traitors thrown them under the brexit bus.

Just saying

Ha, The Brexit bus, it's going to inflict many many casualties down the road we're travelling

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Patriots look after their own.

Traitors thrown them under the brexit bus.

Just saying

Ha, The Brexit bus, it's going to inflict many many casualties down the road we're travelling

I feel a song coming on ....

Theres a voice, That keeps on calling me

Down the road, Thats where I'll always be

Every stop I make, I make a new friend

Can't stay for long, Just turn around

and I'm gone again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our Nige Farage is now twisting this diplomatic spat into a Brexit issue calling our diplomat out for being a remainer and deserves to be removed because he's a remainer and a leave voting Brexit chum should be the only replacement if you can believe it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our government has lost its balls if it ever had any!

They would be stopping the Americans from attending and official meetings, but they will do nothing!

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

Here

"Our government has lost its balls if it ever had any!

They would be stopping the Americans from attending and official meetings, but they will do nothing!"
why should they

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Our Nige Farage is now twisting this diplomatic spat into a Brexit issue calling our diplomat out for being a remainer and deserves to be removed because he's a remainer and a leave voting Brexit chum should be the only replacement if you can believe it. "
I can and agree with him lol

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

I never thought Boris was ever in the running. He had to put his foot in as did Leadsome and Raab but they were/are never serious contenders.

With the constant gaffs he makes and his foolsome schoolboy attitude, if this was ever a time for him to slip in the twilight, it would be now. It was only a matter of time before he made himself 'unelectable'. If it was not this, he would have manufactured some expenses row, speeding fine or public d*unkenness...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can and agree with him lol "

That's the Brexit mentality

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Be diplomatic in writing and candid verbally behind closed doors.

Like diplomats should do.

Diplomacy;

The profession, activity, or skill of managing international relations, typically by a country's representatives abroad.

The art of dealing with people in a sensitive and tactful way.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"He just resigned. What an absolute travesty. The mans tells it like he sees it in so-called confidential dispatches as he's supposed to, someone leaks it, Trump gets upset and so he has to resign.

Am I alone in wondering why the perception of being the EU's bitch is so terrible but toadying to the US in hopes of a scoring a likely one-sided trade deal is fine? What a fucking state we're in. "

Just said this to my other half.

Also, when did leaking our secrets to all and sundry make us strong? I despair.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"He has resigned.

Yes..

Not surprising

He became persona non grata the moment the idiot person who decided to leak the private memos did so.

That person is the real villain in all of this."

A traitor too!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

A tragic end to a dedicated public service career. His comments were obviously extracted for particular effect, so I'm assuming that very senior staff were involved, with much to gain.

He should have had full support from the UK government and prospective PMs in voting. Boris was shameful for not doing so. We've become a hollowed out shell of the great country we were.

All government ministers with scandals should learn and follow from the leadership of this honourable man - resign.

USA's lap dog the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be diplomatic in writing and candid verbally behind closed doors.

Like diplomats should do.

Diplomacy;

The profession, activity, or skill of managing international relations, typically by a country's representatives abroad.

The art of dealing with people in a sensitive and tactful way.

I think you'll find Diplomats all write candidly to their own Government departments while the diplomacy of managing international relations is the face to face activity with foreign diplomats.

What you don't normally have is traitorous bastards looking to leak something to news outlets that will damage their own countries relations.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"He has resigned.

Yes..

Not surprising

He became persona non grata the moment the idiot person who decided to leak the private memos did so.

That person is the real villain in all of this.

A traitor too! "

see.... this is an interesting side view,

was there a "public interest" defence for the mail on sunday to publish what it did? if that is not the case then could the met police go to the journo who there source was for breaking the official secrets act?

just thinking out loud... just because the "journo" who broke the story, isabel oakeshott, is closely aligned to farage/banks/wigmore

it was a hit where a 42yr diplomat was backing knifed in the back.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He has resigned.

Yes..

Not surprising

He became persona non grata the moment the idiot person who decided to leak the private memos did so.

That person is the real villain in all of this.

A traitor too!

see.... this is an interesting side view,

just thinking out loud... just because the "journo" who broke the story, isabel oakeshott, is closely aligned to farage/banks/wigmore

it was a hit where a 42yr diplomat was backing knifed in the back....."

Well Farage is banging on about how it's good news that Kim has resigned and now it's time for a retired business man to take up the roll who's in the Presidents pocket... I mean good books...

I wonder who he could be thinking about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He has resigned.

Yes..

Not surprising

He became persona non grata the moment the idiot person who decided to leak the private memos did so.

That person is the real villain in all of this.

A traitor too!

see.... this is an interesting side view,

just thinking out loud... just because the "journo" who broke the story, isabel oakeshott, is closely aligned to farage/banks/wigmore

it was a hit where a 42yr diplomat was backing knifed in the back....."
.

Journalists and there "sources" are non touchable, you must surely know that from the constant shit you believe that you read from CNN.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Our Embassadors should receive full backing from our PM and our Government wherever they serve . To be fair our current PM , May and her Cabinet did give their support , as have 2 other people wishing to become our PM , Hunt and Corbyn , with the leader of the SNP in Westminster also adding his name to the list , all of whom showing their patriotism and solidarity with our Civil Servants who do a difficult job , not only in this particular case but all over the world ... There are also 2 other politicians who have designs on becoming our PM who have shown no support for OUR Embassador, instead taking the side of another country (USA) , namely Messrs Johnson and Farage

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Leaking diplomatic cables . . . how many years did Chelsea Manning get? And how many years will Asange get for publishing them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Three years after talk about taking back control, making our own decions... This.

Three years after an uproar about a US president interfering.... This.

And we want to get out of our relationship with the EU to build stronger relationships with... This?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Patriots look after their own.

Traitors thrown them under the brexit bus.

Just saying

Ha, The Brexit bus, it's going to inflict many many casualties down the road we're travelling

Many more must be sacrificed at the brexit alter .

The cult of brexit demands it.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

good to see the met police have launched a criminal inquiry and cant wait to see who it is.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"good to see the met police have launched a criminal inquiry and cant wait to see who it is."

well they could just talk to isabel oakeshott.........

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

"good to see the met police have launched a criminal inquiry and cant wait to see who it is.

well they could just talk to isabel oakeshott......... "

Falls under the legal banner of journalistic privilege...the source is protected from disclosure by the journalist.

The Met will have to try a different approach.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Not sure if they can ask the journalist but its now coming under national security so maybe different rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure if they can ask the journalist but its now coming under national security so maybe different rules."

I hope it does and I'd hope whoever leaked it gets a massive sentence.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Three years after talk about taking back control, making our own decions... This.

Three years after an uproar about a US president interfering.... This.

And we want to get out of our relationship with the EU to build stronger relationships with... This? "

You've penned my exact opinions.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

There is a code of conduct among journalists about the protection of sources, but I do not believe it has any status in law.

No-one, including journalists, is exempt from the reach of the Official Secrets Act.

That said, it would be stupid of the police to pursue either the journalist or the newspaper.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think the mail on sunday are now just getting out what they can now.... because with GCHQ helping the met police with phone records ect, they will know who is likely to have done it in no time.....

now its a case on just building a case around it......

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

There is no national or public interest case here either.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

officials caught leaking confidential information should lose their pensions and be forced to cover the cost of probes that follow mps have said today.The FAC committee said ministers should consider the tough new sanctions in a bid to end an "insidious culture of leaking"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"officials caught leaking confidential information should lose their pensions and be forced to cover the cost of probes that follow mps have said today.The FAC committee said ministers should consider the tough new sanctions in a bid to end an "insidious culture of leaking" "

Did the person who did it not come out and say he was a "brexit party activist".... hence leaking it to the journo who just happened to be the girlfriend of the brexit party chairman makes absolute sense......

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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

So, what should the penalty for what Gavin Williamson did be?

Promotion to Secretary of State for Education, apparently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do we know who leaked to Eddington?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Do we know who leaked to Eddington? I cant find who so guess no one has been charged yet but ask _abio he seems to know more than the met police.

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