FabSwingers.com forum: This will have the Brexiteers scratching their heads

By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

British military deployed on behalf of the EU to enforce policy of the Council of Ministers re sanctions on Syria.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

This is the oil tanker in Gibraltar suspected of carrying oil to Syria?

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

That's the one, yes. Boarded by Royal Marines and seized.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Why scratching heads?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"British military deployed on behalf of the EU to enforce policy of the Council of Ministers re sanctions on Syria.

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so what’s ya point ?

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You want nothing to do with the EU - and here are UK forces going into action on their behalf.

How do you reconcile the two, especially after all the bile about the EU and its military aspirations?

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

think they may have shot themselves in the foot.e.u dont have sanctions on iran where the tanker came from.just watching the news seems more likley they done it for u.s. uk are only ones saying its to do with eu sanctions.e.u dont seem to have released a statment about it

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

quiet easy really as the action was taken by Gibraltar as in its waters so only right their forces carry it out.I cant see your point.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I looked on the UK Gov website and did not see anything, which was surprising giving the role of UK military.

This is from the website of the Government of Gilbraltar:

"In the early hours of this morning, Gibraltar Port and Law Enforcement agencies, assisted by a detachment of Royal Marines, boarded a super tanker carrying crude oil to Syria.

We have detained the vessel and its cargo.

This action arose from information giving the Gibraltar Government reasonable grounds to believe that the vessel, the Grace 1, was acting in breach of European Union sanctions against Syria.

In fact, we have reason to believe that the Grace 1 was carrying its shipment of crude oil to the Banyas Refinery in Syria.

That refinery is the property of an entity that is subject to European Union sanctions against Syria.

Yesterday we published Regulations and a Notice to enforce those sanctions against this vessel and its cargo.

I also gave a Direction requiring the Captain of the Port, assisted by the Royal Gibraltar Police and Her Majesty’s Customs to take control of the Grace 1.

With my consent, our Port and Law Enforcement agencies sought the assistance of the Royal Marines in carrying out this operation.

As the sanctions being enforced are established by the EU, I have written this morning to the Presidents of the European Commission and Council, setting out the details of the sanctions which we have enforced.

I want to thank the brave men and women of the Royal Marines, the Royal Gibraltar Police, Her Majesty's Customs Gibraltar and the Gibraltar Port Authority, for their work in securing the detention of this vessel and its cargo.

Be assured that Gibraltar remains safe, secure and committed to the international, rules-based, legal order."

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"You want nothing to do with the EU - and here are UK forces going into action on their behalf.

How do you reconcile the two, especially after all the bile about the EU and its military aspirations?

We are still in the eu so it’s not there behalf it’s ours as we are still in the eu

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley

"British military deployed on behalf of the EU to enforce policy of the Council of Ministers re sanctions on Syria.

so what’s ya point ?"

Just something else to moan about!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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Spain are suggesting the action was following a request by the US to the UK, and was carried out in Spanish waters....

(Spain of course challenges British ownership of Gibraltar - so they wouldn't want to stir up the pot now would they

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

This could be the mother of all fuck-ups, then.

The BBC is reporting the action was based in intelligence from the Americans.

The Americans share intelligence with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and its offshoots.

Where is the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary, btw?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Spain are suggesting the action was following a request by the US to the UK, and was carried out in Spanish waters....

(Spain of course challenges British ownership of Gibraltar - so they wouldn't want to stir up the pot now would they

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Having spent a lot of time in gib this is nothing new there are disputes over water nearly every day.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"This could be the mother of all fuck-ups, then.

The BBC is reporting the action was based in intelligence from the Americans.

The Americans share intelligence with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and its offshoots.

Where is the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary, btw?

Lol... come on give the lad a chance... not content with there being a wee problem going in with HK and China and trying to beat Boris, he now has the bloody Iranians, EU, Spanish banging on his door...

oh... almost forgot the monumental mess he made this morning re. fox hunting

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

A caretaker Prime Minister.

A Foreign Secretary devoting his time to an internal party election.

British forces would not be deployed in this way, especially given the huge political sensitivities around Iran, without clearance at the highest level.

Mrs May is screwed any.

Any or all of the above suggestions being true and the Foreign Secretary is screwed, too.

Which leaves Mr Johnson with a nice clean pair of hands and the keys to No. 10.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You want nothing to do with the EU - and here are UK forces going into action on their behalf.

How do you reconcile the two, especially after all the bile about the EU and its military aspirations?

WE ARE the EU so we are protecting our own interests and not just 27 other nations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This could be the mother of all fuck-ups, then.

The BBC is reporting the action was based in intelligence from the Americans.

The Americans share intelligence with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and its offshoots.

Where is the Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary, btw?

That is where it has gone wrong, you've put the words American and Intelligence in the same sentence

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"You want nothing to do with the EU - and here are UK forces going into action on their behalf.

How do you reconcile the two, especially after all the bile about the EU and its military aspirations?

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Easy we can still be allies with Europe,still have the same exchanges over security etc,what has being in or out of the EU got to do with it?

You can now give me a load of techno crap but leaving the EU does not stop us being close allies and friends with them,life will carry on as normal

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"You want nothing to do with the EU - and here are UK forces going into action on their behalf.

How do you reconcile the two, especially after all the bile about the EU and its military aspirations?

WE ARE the EU so we are protecting our own interests and not just 27 other nations. "

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

So the UK should continue to uphold EU law after it has left the EU?

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By *olly_ch_omaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Ilkley

"So the UK should continue to uphold EU law after it has left the EU?"

But but but but.... We don't want any part of those nasty European laws. We are going to have proper English laws of our own. Which just happen to be exactly identical to the European laws...

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Take no notice of these leftie re moaners guys.. they are just wind up merchants.

The EU has sanctions against Syria.. this includes oil. As we are still part of the EU we have every right to uphold the sanctions.... this tanker took the long way around S.Africa to avoid the Suez Canal.. a failed attempt to dodge the authorities... Iran knows its been caught red handed exporting to Syria. Now it's threatening UK shipping in retaliation...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Take no notice of these leftie re moaners guys.. they are just wind up merchants.

Sink the fuckers

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Take no notice of these leftie re moaners guys.. they are just wind up merchants.

The seized tanker is too big to get through the Suez Canal. Iran could use smaller ships but Egypt and Iran are not friends at the moment, and they would get refused passage through the SC.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Usually, supertankers do pass through the Suez but they are never more than 20 meters submerged. If a tanker is heavier, it can offload some of its cargo before entering the canal, which is then pumped to the other side of the canal. However, Saudi Arabia is part owner of that pipeline and would not allow Iranian oil going to Syria to benefit from the facility."

So they chose to take the less risky route, or so they thought!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Spain are suggesting the action was following a request by the US to the UK, and was carried out in Spanish waters....

(Spain of course challenges British ownership of Gibraltar - so they wouldn't want to stir up the pot now would they

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Having spent a lot of time in gib this is nothing new there are disputes over water nearly every day."

The waters around Gibraltar, according to Spain, are Spanish. Gibraltar is not entitled to any territorial waters because, other than the internal waters of the port, no waters were expressly ceded to Britain by Spain under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Interesting to see Jeremy Hunt has turned to Europe rather than the US for help with escorting merchant shipping in the Gulf.

At least someone knows which side our bread is better buttered on.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Take no notice of these leftie re moaners guys.. they are just wind up merchants.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Interesting to see Jeremy Hunt has turned to Europe rather than the US for help with escorting merchant shipping in the Gulf.

At least someone knows which side our bread is better buttered on.

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Well of course he has he knows if he turns to the usa it only takes one wrong calculation by iran or the usa and we would be dragged into a war by default.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Interesting to see Jeremy Hunt has turned to Europe rather than the US for help with escorting merchant shipping in the Gulf.

At least someone knows which side our bread is better buttered on.

Well of course he has he knows if he turns to the usa it only takes one wrong calculation by iran or the usa and we would be dragged into a war by default. "
. Yes , totally agree , much better for us to be aligned with our near trusted neighbours in Europe than become a lap-dog to the USA

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Interesting to see Jeremy Hunt has turned to Europe rather than the US for help with escorting merchant shipping in the Gulf.

At least someone knows which side our bread is better buttered on.

Well of course he has he knows if he turns to the usa it only takes one wrong calculation by iran or the usa and we would be dragged into a war by default. . Yes , totally agree , much better for us to be aligned with our near trusted neighbours in Europe than become a lap-dog to the USA "
Well to be honest it would be better if the likes of china and russia sent a couple of ships too after all its international waters.It should be a multi nation operation to ease the tension.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Interesting to see Jeremy Hunt has turned to Europe rather than the US for help with escorting merchant shipping in the Gulf.

At least someone knows which side our bread is better buttered on.

Well of course he has he knows if he turns to the usa it only takes one wrong calculation by iran or the usa and we would be dragged into a war by default. . Yes , totally agree , much better for us to be aligned with our near trusted neighbours in Europe than become a lap-dog to the USA Well to be honest it would be better if the likes of china and russia sent a couple of ships too after all its international waters.It should be a multi nation operation to ease the tension."

Russia and China have no problems with Iran. They would rather see the troubles continue. Russia is under certain USA sanctions and China is having a trade war with the USA.

One fifth of the world's oil supplies, and one third of the world's liquid gas supplies transits through the 21 mile wide Straits of Hormuz.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

America First is America Alone.

Trump took the unilateral decision to walk away from the nuclear agreement and wage economic war on Iran.

It was an act of spite towards Obama and an act of allegiance with Israel.

The UK, Germany, France, EU, Russia and China - the other signatories - all want to keep it in place.

Russia and China are helping Iran with its civil programme.

None of them want to align themselves with the US on this one.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"America First is America Alone.

Trump took the unilateral decision to walk away from the nuclear agreement and wage economic war on Iran.

It was an act of spite towards Obama and an act of allegiance with Israel.

The UK, Germany, France, EU, Russia and China - the other signatories - all want to keep it in place.

Russia and China are helping Iran with its civil programme.

None of them want to align themselves with the US on this one.

Totally agree. Mike Pompeo's hawkish and piqueish statements aren't helping, as it's now quite clear where the UK's priorities are..... And it's not going to war with Iran!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Interesting to see Jeremy Hunt has turned to Europe rather than the US for help with escorting merchant shipping in the Gulf.

At least someone knows which side our bread is better buttered on.

Well of course he has he knows if he turns to the usa it only takes one wrong calculation by iran or the usa and we would be dragged into a war by default. . Yes , totally agree , much better for us to be aligned with our near trusted neighbours in Europe than become a lap-dog to the USA Well to be honest it would be better if the likes of china and russia sent a couple of ships too after all its international waters.It should be a multi nation operation to ease the tension.

Russia and China have no problems with Iran. They would rather see the troubles continue. Russia is under certain USA sanctions and China is having a trade war with the USA.

One fifth of the world's oil supplies, and one third of the world's liquid gas supplies transits through the 21 mile wide Straits of Hormuz. "
Its not a case of having problems its a case of upholding maritime law which applies to every country in the world.

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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

This episode tells me two things:

a) the United Kingdom has run down its military to such an extent it does not have the capacity itself to respond

b) all this outrage about an EU Army is just bollocks - Britain's position is so weak it needs a joint European response to muster up the strength to take any action.

Is the penny dropping yet?

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