FabSwingers.com forum: the other leadership contest....

By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Judging by their head-to-head on Sky&chanel4 I believe their main problem when it comes to a General Election will be their involvement in the Tory austerity programme which they will be reminded of time and time again during any debates , along with their obvious student loan broken promise . They were both apologising , as if they weren't involved in any way , as such I believe that as Davey was actually part of the coalition government , Swinson will be able to distance herself more from the decisions made at the time ,, Well done to both of them for being brave enough to face each other in a TV debate !!!!

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By *ab_SparklesWoman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

Who who an dam I've missed this one, while house sitting. I anit been on the fourm much

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Davey actually got rather a lot of food legislation through.

Swinson is young and more publicity savvy.

I still struggle with the blame the LibDems get

Considering we were at the very deepest whole in a global recession and they were the junior partner in the coalition I can't really see what they were supposed to do? Hold up legislation whilst the country went bankrupt.

It functioned better than now and there is a single party in charge.

Should they really have gone into coalition with Labour who had "ended boom and bust" bit managed not to save any money in the good times?

Environmental policy, mental health awareness, basic rate threshold increases all legacies of LibDem policies.

Mystifying considering decades of Labour and Conservative disasters.

This could be a very big really in deed or absolutely nothing.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I voted for Jo Swinson.

Labour has a middle aged male leader, the Conservatives will have a middle aged male leader.

I think that this is the time for a progressive female voice to take on the extremes of both Labour and the Conservatives and speak out for common sense.

Do I care about the accusations that the previous Coalition sold out Liberal values?... No.

That was then, this is now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jezza will thank you for that! He is more oap than middle aged. And it shows

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

While acknowledging we need more female representatives in parliament , I would never consider the sex or age of a candidate if voting in any type of election , it would be purely on what I thought their ability to do the job .. I am not. LibDem member ( or belong to any other party ) but if I was my vote would go to Swinson with a regret that Cable is standing down , who I think has done a good job and is a very hard act to follow

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

I didn't even know it was down to two. Not seen much of Davey but Swinson doesn't seem to be able to command an audience from what I've seen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apart from being able to vote for the parties leaders what else do you get out of actually joining a political party?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Apart from being able to vote for the parties leaders what else do you get out of actually joining a political party? "

I have never joined a political party before, but I decided to join the Lib Dems because I feel truly appalled at the state of politics in the UK right now.

I am naturally a Conservative voter and aside from a couple of Tony Blair sized blips, I have almost always invariably voted Conservative up until 2010 - when I could not suffer the sight of David Cameron. Since then, the Conservative party has morphed into something unrecognisable and Labour appears to be a million miles away from the centre in the opposite direction.

I have joined the Lib Dems because for the first time in my life I feel the need to make a political statement and to object in a meaningful way to the angry, divisive and hate fuelled politics that seems to be dominating the political agenda at the moment. Joining a Party (in my opinion) is a more substantive gesture than simply voting for them., especially if you live in an area that would never see anyone other than a representative of one particular party elected.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

This is the Lib Dem ethos and it aligns very much with my own way of thinking:

"Open means open-hearted, open-minded, forward-looking, modern, green, internationalist and pro-European.

We believe Britain is at its best when it is creative, innovative and outward-looking, comfortable in the fast-changing modern world and open to the opportunities and challenges of globalisation and the digital revolution.

Tolerant means diverse, compassionate and generous.

We will always fight injustice and stand up for the underdog, the outsider, the individual, the minority and the vulnerable against the powerful.

United means we will always put the interests of the whole United Kingdom first.

We reject the divisions in society, whether between young and old, urban and rural, leave and remain, or between regions and nations. We believe we are stronger – as communities, as a country and as a world – when we work together in our common interest."

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"This is the Lib Dem ethos and it aligns very much with my own way of thinking:

"Open means open-hearted, open-minded, forward-looking, modern, green, internationalist and pro-European.

Tolerant means diverse, compassionate and generous.

We will always fight injustice and stand up for the underdog, the outsider, the individual, the minority and the vulnerable against the powerful.

United means we will always put the interests of the whole United Kingdom first.

Very interesting as it kind of matches with most of what I feel. My political history also matches quite closely with your previous post (the “Tony Blair blip” made me laugh as I also succumbed to that blip as well )

So why don’t I feel very pro-European

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"This is the Lib Dem ethos and it aligns very much with my own way of thinking:

"Open means open-hearted, open-minded, forward-looking, modern, green, internationalist and pro-European.

Tolerant means diverse, compassionate and generous.

We will always fight injustice and stand up for the underdog, the outsider, the individual, the minority and the vulnerable against the powerful.

United means we will always put the interests of the whole United Kingdom first.

So why don’t I feel very pro-European"

There will never be a Party that you can 100% feel aligned with. I still have reservations about some Green initiatives and I question whether the science is truly settled and whether money should be spent on defending against the inevitable (man-made or otherwise) or whether it should be spent trying to modify our behaviour. I don't have particularly green credentials (to say the least).

You may not feel very pro-European but do you accept the concept of teamwork? Do you accept that the world is evolving and positioning itself into large and powerful trading blocs? Perhaps you don't feel very pro-European and have become fatalist about being able to change the EU into what you want? - That said - should it be what you want or is a compromise about right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's the he lib dem policy on tuition fees today.

Do they believe it should be free like the greens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the Lib Dem ethos and it aligns very much with my own way of thinking:

"Open means open-hearted, open-minded, forward-looking, modern, green, internationalist and pro-European.

Tolerant means diverse, compassionate and generous.

We will always fight injustice and stand up for the underdog, the outsider, the individual, the minority and the vulnerable against the powerful.

United means we will always put the interests of the whole United Kingdom first.

So why don’t I feel very pro-European"

Possibly like I was you have been subconsciously conditioned by the medias constant lying and exaggerated take on the European Union over decades without possibly even really recognising it's happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the Lib Dem ethos and it aligns very much with my own way of thinking:

"Open means open-hearted, open-minded, forward-looking, modern, green, internationalist and pro-European.

Tolerant means diverse, compassionate and generous.

We will always fight injustice and stand up for the underdog, the outsider, the individual, the minority and the vulnerable against the powerful.

United means we will always put the interests of the whole United Kingdom first.

I suspect you've taken to much of the green on your t-shirt.

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

same here.... more likely to take the leap with swinson in charge than i would davey.....

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Apart from being able to vote for the parties leaders what else do you get out of actually joining a political party? "

Most parties have policy meetings going down to the local constituency where ordinary members can discuss policy and even suggest policies which are past up the party chain for consideration.

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

well the result comes out tomorrow.. and i think i have it in my head what i will do if either candidate wins...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

i learned via Facebook that Jo Swinson was elected.

It was a clip from some pro-Labour group of the headline to an article she wrote as deputy leader - "Why we MUST have a statue to Maggie Thatcher".

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i did notice that the corbynista's and the snp were out in force trying to smear here already......

do you thing that labour is scared of a lib dem pro remain shift... well since they apparently don't want the centrists who voted for blair i suppose they are giving the lib dems a head start!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The centre ground is there for the taking.

The body of the Conservative Party appears to have veered off to the right.

The body of the Labour Party appears to have veered off to the left.

Whether Swinson is the credible figure who can capture and galvanise the centre ground, I do not know.

But the centre ground is where elections are won and lost.

She may not win, but she may well stop someone else from winning.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

I am naturally a Conservative voter and aside from a couple of Tony Blair sized blips, I have almost always invariably voted Conservative..... "

So you have in fact always voted conservative then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am naturally a Conservative voter and aside from a couple of Tony Blair sized blips, I have almost always invariably voted Conservative.....

So you have in fact always voted conservative then

Ahh, the Red Tory

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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

so what are you going to do now cracken.... have to say i am on their membership page now and considering whether to pull the trigger and go all in.....

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

so what are you going to do now cracken.... have to say i am on their membership page now and considering whether to pull the trigger and go all in.....

I met and chatted with Ed Davey on the March for Change on Saturday. I didn't tell him I preferred Jo but it was quite an interesting although short conversion. I'd pretty much decided I'd join the LibDems already so probably will now. Only problem I've got at the moment is, having just moved house, I've not got my desktop setup yet and I hate using my phone for filling in forms online. Maybe get it sorted tomorrow.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

so what are you going to do now cracken.... have to say i am on their membership page now and considering whether to pull the trigger and go all in.....

Pull the trigger. If you do I'll feel obliged to do so too.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I wish Jo Swinson well. If she plays her cards right, then she could well attract many disenchanted centrist Conservatives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wish Jo Swinson well. If she plays her cards right, then she could well attract many disenchanted centrist Conservatives. "

Now fuddy duddy Vince has gone I may well vote Lib Dems

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I wish Jo Swinson well. If she plays her cards right, then she could well attract many disenchanted centrist Conservatives. "

And disulutioned left of centre Social Democrats who traditionally vote Labour. I reckon the LibDems gain one person from the left of centre every time someone from Labour uses the phrase "Red Tories".

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

so what are you going to do now cracken.... have to say i am on their membership page now and considering whether to pull the trigger and go all in.....

I joined earlier this year and I voted for Jo Swinson.

I am unashamedly proud to say that my motives to join the Lib Dem’s and to vote for Jo were:

I have had enough of sweary and agitated political discord

I have had enough of aggression, division and angry political rhetoric

I don’t want to see racism, sexism and intolerance become normalised.

I think and I hope that Jo Swinson can place our country in its rightful place on the European and world stage without needing to resort to post Empire nostalgia and concepts of British exceptionalism. Being good neighbours is not a bad thing in my book.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

so what are you going to do now cracken.... have to say i am on their membership page now and considering whether to pull the trigger and go all in.....

I joined earlier this year and I voted for Jo Swinson.

I am unashamedly proud to say that my motives to join the Lib Dem’s and to vote for Jo were:

I have had enough of sweary and agitated political discord

I have had enough of aggression, division and angry political rhetoric

I don’t want to see racism, sexism and intolerance become normalised.

Well said.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

so what are you going to do now cracken.... have to say i am on their membership page now and considering whether to pull the trigger and go all in.....

I joined earlier this year and I voted for Jo Swinson.

I am unashamedly proud to say that my motives to join the Lib Dem’s and to vote for Jo were:

I have had enough of sweary and agitated political discord

I have had enough of aggression, division and angry political rhetoric

I don’t want to see racism, sexism and intolerance become normalised.

Well said."
The problem is they have no power and little influence,they are nothing these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are the libdems influential? I think not

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

An interesting start to Swinson' s leadership will be the Brecon&Radnorshire by-election on 1st August . Will also be a test for the new Tory leader ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know there are a few lib dem members on here....

so how did you vote? Swinson or Davey

I am waiting to see who is going to be leader before making a decision on whether to join.....

That's were I am too.

Out of curiosity, who do you favour more? I'm more for Swinson myself.

so what are you going to do now cracken.... have to say i am on their membership page now and considering whether to pull the trigger and go all in.....

I joined earlier this year and I voted for Jo Swinson.

I am unashamedly proud to say that my motives to join the Lib Dem’s and to vote for Jo were:

I have had enough of sweary and agitated political discord

I have had enough of aggression, division and angry political rhetoric

I don’t want to see racism, sexism and intolerance become normalised.

Well said.The problem is they have no power and little influence,they are nothing these days"

Once more and more people wake up to the fact that politics have been parading minority groups and blaming them for all our ills then the centre Liberal ground is there for the taking.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

She could be our Jacinda Ardern.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Ms Swinson is one of the Parliamentarians going to the Court of Session in Edinburgh this week seeking legal clarification of the powers of proroguation.

Smart move - if the cards fall her way, she'll have the upper hand.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Another pro-austerity party. Just what we need.

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Swinson is the worst sort of politician. Totally self serving. Not an shred if liberalism in her. Shes a wee tory. With the same Scottish accent as Tony Blair and Michael Gove. I really cant stand her.

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