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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in." I'm sure we'll All reap the consequences of Brexit in good time  | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in." There is one big problem the EU have not offered the UK a deal what they have done so far is give us a list of demands which they insist we place in law before they tell us what their trade demands will be. A list which means we pay the EU £39 plus billion and yes on the EUs own web pag it clearly states the EU will be free to demand more money from the UK for items not included in this part. Those trade demands will mean the peoples of the UK continue to pay VAT and other tariffs to the EU. Mays list also gives the EU control over our world trade. Meaning we can not do any deal out side the EU if we wish. Next big point you mis is we do not need a deal to trade with the EU WTO terms cover that and are fair to trade going both ways. Another point is the EU is not a free trade area our governments prepay with out tax for the right to trade. That tax money will remain inside the UK for our government to use to help our exporters by building better docks and air frieght ports. The EU have not offered or shown the peoples of the UK what their trade deal will be. The UK will be getting on the first step on the ladder up and out of the EU money pit. You all forget the billions we hand over to the EU each year and we only get 60% back in grants etc. As for leaving with no deal the EU are to blame for that due to their hiding the trade deal demands and placing a list of pre demands no government in the world could agree to. They even want EU nationals protected from UK courts think about that next time an ISIS bomber bombs Manchester etc if they hold an EU passport. Remember also the EU take a traiff of 36ppl on petrol and pretend to look after our health etc. If they removed that tariff cancer causing diesel cars would be of our roads in 2 to 3 years. But no the EU want to take our money and let our children die. | |||
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" Remember also the EU take a traiff of 36ppl on petrol and pretend to look after our health etc. " Yes and independent petrol stations (most are franchise businesses these days) get 03ppl profit on UL and Derv. | |||
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"This mess has been created as you say by the eu insisting that the withdrawal agreement being agreed 1st instead of the talks being done together. " Wasn't it actually the EU that said nothing is agreed until everything is agreed | |||
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"The chronology is logical - exit the existing arrangement before you enter a new one. The EU cannot discuss an external trade agreement with a country already inside the single market. And if you think the exit is slow, how much longer would it be when mixed up with trade negotiation? This way is simpler. The UK needs to leave before it asks to get back in." That's true too | |||
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" There is one big problem the EU have not offered the UK a deal what they have done so far is give us a list of demands which they insist we place in law before they tell us what their trade demands will be. A list which means we pay the EU £39 plus billion and yes on the EUs own web pag it clearly states the EU will be free to demand more money from the UK for items not included in this part. Those trade demands will mean the peoples of the UK continue to pay VAT and other tariffs to the EU. Mays list also gives the EU control over our world trade. Meaning we can not do any deal out side the EU if we wish. Next big point you mis is we do not need a deal to trade with the EU WTO terms cover that and are fair to trade going both ways. Another point is the EU is not a free trade area our governments prepay with out tax for the right to trade. That tax money will remain inside the UK for our government to use to help our exporters by building better docks and air frieght ports. The EU have not offered or shown the peoples of the UK what their trade deal will be. The UK will be getting on the first step on the ladder up and out of the EU money pit. You all forget the billions we hand over to the EU each year and we only get 60% back in grants etc. As for leaving with no deal the EU are to blame for that due to their hiding the trade deal demands and placing a list of pre demands no government in the world could agree to. They even want EU nationals protected from UK courts think about that next time an ISIS bomber bombs Manchester etc if they hold an EU passport. Remember also the EU take a traiff of 36ppl on petrol and pretend to look after our health etc. If they removed that tariff cancer causing diesel cars would be of our roads in 2 to 3 years. But no the EU want to take our money and let our children die. " You probably absolutely and totally believe all of that don't you?? I mean wow... It is kind of hard to even know where to start but let's have a go. The UK voted narrowly to leave a rules-based organisation and that organisation quite rightly and normally suggested that we should organise the way we leave in an orderly manner before we talk about what comes next. I have no idea what you meant with this... Maybe you do?? "Those trade demands will mean the peoples of the UK continue to pay VAT and other tariffs to the EU. Mays list also gives the EU control over our world trade. Meaning we can not do any deal out side the EU if we wish " It is hard to know what you feel angry and upset about here as we don't pay VAT to the EU and as Members of the EU, we get better trade deal terms as part of a large and powerful bloc than we could ever get outside it. That said - we will soon find out about that if we leave with no deal because 40 odd trade deals will disappear and need renegotiating. Why would trading with the EU on WTO terms be better than trading freely? Your point about us prepaying to trade with the EU is based on a one dismensional (and flawed) argument that EU payments are for trade. They are not - they cover EU institutions that we are part of and which will need wholly repatriating to the UK. EASA as an example represents a tiny cost on a nation by nation basis for what it actually delivers and the cost of creating within the CAA what EASA already has will take a huge chunk of the money that you misguidedly believe is only for trade. The EU funding of £350 million per week (lol) is not about paying for trade and never has been. In any event, our GDP is already down by £600 million a week so any "savings" are kind of lost in the overall financial tragedy of Brexit as the now nonexistent, but so-called £350 million a week Brexit dividend gets spent here, there and everywhere at least twice over just to stand still - despite already being lost in the loss of tax revenues. I can't even begin to understand what you mean by this: "the EU take a traiff of 36ppl on petrol and pretend to look after our health etc. If they removed that tariff cancer causing diesel cars would be of our roads in 2 to 3 years. But no the EU want to take our money and let our children die. " | |||
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"It isn't so much the forecasts of damage as the fact a PM with no mandate trying to defy the will of Parliament to push through a hard Brexit will come a cropper constitutionally very quickly. " What about the will of the people that elected them? | |||
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"Children die ...bit dramatic...are you working for jezza" He's on your side. It's the EU's fault that children die apparently. Has this changed your opinion?  | |||
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" "the EU take a traiff of 36ppl on petrol and pretend to look after our health etc. If they removed that tariff cancer causing diesel cars would be of our roads in 2 to 3 years. But no the EU want to take our money and let our children die. " " The EU take a tarrif of 36ppl on petrol ? You saying the EU charge us a tarrif of 36ppl on petrol making it more expensive but if they didn't take a tariff which would make petrol cheaper then diesel cars would be of our roads in 2 to 3 years.... Wow, I want some of whatever you're on  | |||
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"The way I see all this is that the EU are looking for a fight. The so called ‘divorce settlement’ might as well be called sanctions, and the stalling on any acceptable agreement might as well be called a blockade. It is a dangerous game, and with Germany in control anything could happen. I’m going to tell my local chip shop to instal a bomb shelter! "I wouldnt worry you've seen merkel shaking with fear because the car industry are on her back they dont want to lose one of their biggest customers. | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in." If it pisses off people like you all the better | |||
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"The way I see all this is that the EU are looking for a fight. The so called ‘divorce settlement’ might as well be called sanctions, and the stalling on any acceptable agreement might as well be called a blockade. It is a dangerous game, and with Germany in control anything could happen. I’m going to tell my local chip shop to instal a bomb shelter! I wouldnt worry you've seen merkel shaking with fear because the car industry are on her back they dont want to lose one of their biggest customers. "since we are laughing about the car industry (or just generally mocking as you seem to be.... ) we finally found out today what was in the letter that government promised the japanese car manufactures... god bless that communist rag, the financial times.... anyway the answer was lies and falses (no interuptions to JIT practices) plus 80 million pound per year in case anything "happens"..... so yey.... go team UK | |||
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"It's not what the UK is known for. The UK is known for always paying its debts, being a tripple A rated reliable partner. After world war 2, did the UK turn its back on all its agreements? no, it took till 2006 before it had paid everyone back. A no deal would throw it all in the bin. It would mean the UK does not honour its debts, or its promises. It will mean this new UK may or may not pay back money it promises you. If this is what people want, they believe that the leave vote meant to throw the UK reputation in the bin and go it alone, then sure do that. But I thought it meant to agree to pay debts in a gentlemanly fashion, to honour pre-exisiting polticial agreements, such as good friday, and then to exit the trade block with a new trade agreement that gives UK control over import taxes, export taxes, and migration control." Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. | |||
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"It's not what the UK is known for. The UK is known for always paying its debts, being a tripple A rated reliable partner. After world war 2, did the UK turn its back on all its agreements? no, it took till 2006 before it had paid everyone back. A no deal would throw it all in the bin. It would mean the UK does not honour its debts, or its promises. It will mean this new UK may or may not pay back money it promises you. If this is what people want, they believe that the leave vote meant to throw the UK reputation in the bin and go it alone, then sure do that. But I thought it meant to agree to pay debts in a gentlemanly fashion, to honour pre-exisiting polticial agreements, such as good friday, and then to exit the trade block with a new trade agreement that gives UK control over import taxes, export taxes, and migration control.Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. " The final instalment is due in March 2021 and to date Ireland had paid in eccess of 450 million in interest to the UK. | |||
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"It isn't so much the forecasts of damage as the fact a PM with no mandate trying to defy the will of Parliament to push through a hard Brexit will come a cropper constitutionally very quickly. What about the will of the people that elected them?" Yes, the people in 2016 were promised something better than what they had. Where is it? | |||
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"Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. " Who is paying for the £500bn of liquidity created by the Bank of England? Where did it go? Who ran off with the "money" ? | |||
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"Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. " The final payment is due march 2021, however the UK is only due 400 million. How it works is like this, I'll explain so even a child could understand. Ireland asked the central bank for a loan, and were quoted an extortionate interest rate due to being downgraded. Lets call it 50% for argument sake. The UK seen this and asked how much it would cost them to borrow the money and the central bank quoted them lets say 10%. The UK then borrowed the money and loaned it to Ireland at 15% meaning the UK is owed 5% of the loan. The UK gets 42 million sterling from Ireland every 6 months like clockwork and the UK did nothing but be a middle man in a transaction. A fantastic deal for the UK. Almost half a billion for nothing, for just trusting their oldest trade partner that they were good for it. Interestingly the UK got the loan at the lower rate because the UK always pays its debts, not because it skips out on them. A no deal UK could not secure a loan at the rates they got then, and they know deal, or no deal, Ireland is good for it and will pay off the complete interest payments to them. Ireland will only owe the UK taxpayers billions if they refuse to pay and the UK has to finish paying the loan on its own. But what kind of country refuses to pay what it agreed? | |||
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"Do people not get it .... No deal brexit will lead to the break up of the uk ...... And make the ever shrinking great britan even smaller and less important" No, they really don't get it  | |||
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"Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. The final payment is due march 2021, however the UK is only due 400 million. How it works is like this, I'll explain so even a child could understand. Ireland asked the central bank for a loan, and were quoted an extortionate interest rate due to being downgraded. Lets call it 50% for argument sake. The UK seen this and asked how much it would cost them to borrow the money and the central bank quoted them lets say 10%. The UK then borrowed the money and loaned it to Ireland at 15% meaning the UK is owed 5% of the loan. The UK gets 42 million sterling from Ireland every 6 months like clockwork and the UK did nothing but be a middle man in a transaction. A fantastic deal for the UK. Almost half a billion for nothing, for just trusting their oldest trade partner that they were good for it. Interestingly the UK got the loan at the lower rate because the UK always pays its debts, not because it skips out on them. A no deal UK could not secure a loan at the rates they got then, and they know deal, or no deal, Ireland is good for it and will pay off the complete interest payments to them. Ireland will only owe the UK taxpayers billions if they refuse to pay and the UK has to finish paying the loan on its own. But what kind of country refuses to pay what it agreed?" Well said  | |||
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"Do people not get it .... No deal brexit will lead to the break up of the uk ...... And make the ever shrinking great britan even smaller and less important No, they really don't get it "What has happened to you guys ..... How did you become stupid like the red neck hicks in the us ..... God love the poor fools | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in." However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out  | |||
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"Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. The final payment is due march 2021, however the UK is only due 400 million. How it works is like this, I'll explain so even a child could understand. Ireland asked the central bank for a loan, and were quoted an extortionate interest rate due to being downgraded. Lets call it 50% for argument sake. The UK seen this and asked how much it would cost them to borrow the money and the central bank quoted them lets say 10%. The UK then borrowed the money and loaned it to Ireland at 15% meaning the UK is owed 5% of the loan. The UK gets 42 million sterling from Ireland every 6 months like clockwork and the UK did nothing but be a middle man in a transaction. A fantastic deal for the UK. Almost half a billion for nothing, for just trusting their oldest trade partner that they were good for it. Interestingly the UK got the loan at the lower rate because the UK always pays its debts, not because it skips out on them. A no deal UK could not secure a loan at the rates they got then, and they know deal, or no deal, Ireland is good for it and will pay off the complete interest payments to them. Ireland will only owe the UK taxpayers billions if they refuse to pay and the UK has to finish paying the loan on its own. But what kind of country refuses to pay what it agreed?" well i see you got that information from the irish times 19th april 2017 you get a different story from the telegraph 28th june 2019 so guess its down to who you believe. | |||
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"Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. The final payment is due march 2021, however the UK is only due 400 million. How it works is like this, I'll explain so even a child could understand. Ireland asked the central bank for a loan, and were quoted an extortionate interest rate due to being downgraded. Lets call it 50% for argument sake. The UK seen this and asked how much it would cost them to borrow the money and the central bank quoted them lets say 10%. The UK then borrowed the money and loaned it to Ireland at 15% meaning the UK is owed 5% of the loan. The UK gets 42 million sterling from Ireland every 6 months like clockwork and the UK did nothing but be a middle man in a transaction. A fantastic deal for the UK. Almost half a billion for nothing, for just trusting their oldest trade partner that they were good for it. Interestingly the UK got the loan at the lower rate because the UK always pays its debts, not because it skips out on them. A no deal UK could not secure a loan at the rates they got then, and they know deal, or no deal, Ireland is good for it and will pay off the complete interest payments to them. Ireland will only owe the UK taxpayers billions if they refuse to pay and the UK has to finish paying the loan on its own. But what kind of country refuses to pay what it agreed?" You forgot to say it was also a great deal for Ireland, a friend did them a favour and saved them a lot of money, why would they not pay it back! | |||
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"Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. The final payment is due march 2021, however the UK is only due 400 million. How it works is like this, I'll explain so even a child could understand. Ireland asked the central bank for a loan, and were quoted an extortionate interest rate due to being downgraded. Lets call it 50% for argument sake. The UK seen this and asked how much it would cost them to borrow the money and the central bank quoted them lets say 10%. The UK then borrowed the money and loaned it to Ireland at 15% meaning the UK is owed 5% of the loan. The UK gets 42 million sterling from Ireland every 6 months like clockwork and the UK did nothing but be a middle man in a transaction. A fantastic deal for the UK. Almost half a billion for nothing, for just trusting their oldest trade partner that they were good for it. Interestingly the UK got the loan at the lower rate because the UK always pays its debts, not because it skips out on them. A no deal UK could not secure a loan at the rates they got then, and they know deal, or no deal, Ireland is good for it and will pay off the complete interest payments to them. Ireland will only owe the UK taxpayers billions if they refuse to pay and the UK has to finish paying the loan on its own. But what kind of country refuses to pay what it agreed? You forgot to say it was also a great deal for Ireland, a friend did them a favour and saved them a lot of money, why would they not pay it back! " erm... you also forgot to say that ireland paid back everything 2 years early.... with interest... so lets not pretend that the UK didn't make anything out of the irish banking crisis....... | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out "FFS can we stop talking about the mythical "GATT 24" because even your hard brexiteer international trade secretary, dr Liam Fox, said on the Marr show last week it was a non starter the EU have said the WA is not up for renegoiation.... basically you are trying to get the EU to Kick you out and blame them... look even jeremy hunt in his hr long interview with sky kay burley (it would have been 30 minutes for both hunt and johnson, but johnson yet again decided not to show up) admitted that a no deal brexit would mean hard times for business, hard times for manufacturing, hard times for fishing and hard times for agriculture.... and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out "Luckily we don't have to pay attention to the ramblings of someone who has multiple profiles. Your opinion is of no real relevance, nor is any supporting information that you provide. The simple question that needs to be asked and answered here is why do you post if your opinion is irrelevant? | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out
Luckily we don't have to pay attention to the ramblings of someone who has multiple profiles.
Your opinion is of no real relevance, nor is any supporting information that you provide.
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out
Luckily we don't have to pay attention to the ramblings of someone who has multiple profiles.
Your opinion is of no real relevance, nor is any supporting information that you provide.
The simple question that needs to be asked and answered here is why do you post if your opinion is irrelevant? Everyones opinion on here is of no relevence its not going to make a jot of difference to what actually happens." | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out
FFS can we stop talking about the mythical "GATT 24" because even your hard brexiteer international trade secretary, dr Liam Fox, said on the Marr show last week it was a non starter
the EU have said the WA is not up for renegoiation.... basically you are trying to get the EU to Kick you out and blame them...
look even jeremy hunt in his hr long interview with sky kay burley (it would have been 30 minutes for both hunt and johnson, but johnson yet again decided not to show up) admitted that a no deal brexit would mean hard times for business, hard times for manufacturing, hard times for fishing and hard times for agriculture....
and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed.....
thats a serious question....."As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out
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Your opinion is of no real relevance, nor is any supporting information that you provide.
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out
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The simple question that needs to be asked and answered here is why do you post if your opinion is irrelevant? Everyones opinion on here is of no relevence its not going to make a jot of difference to what actually happens."Hi. This is the best post which I have seen today and so very true . They do say the truth hurts. | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out
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Your opinion is of no real relevance, nor is any supporting information that you provide.
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"It's not what the UK is known for. The UK is known for always paying its debts, being a tripple A rated reliable partner. After world war 2, did the UK turn its back on all its agreements? no, it took till 2006 before it had paid everyone back. A no deal would throw it all in the bin. It would mean the UK does not honour its debts, or its promises. It will mean this new UK may or may not pay back money it promises you. If this is what people want, they believe that the leave vote meant to throw the UK reputation in the bin and go it alone, then sure do that. But I thought it meant to agree to pay debts in a gentlemanly fashion, to honour pre-exisiting polticial agreements, such as good friday, and then to exit the trade block with a new trade agreement that gives UK control over import taxes, export taxes, and migration control." It is not a game of cricket lol.The EU has ripped us off for years now hopefully payback time | |||
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"So now we have an outgoing chancellor threatening an incoming prime minister. I’m sure Boris will replace him with a more acceptable chancellor.." But there still won't be anymore money. | |||
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"It isn't so much the forecasts of damage as the fact a PM with no mandate trying to defy the will of Parliament to push through a hard Brexit will come a cropper constitutionally very quickly. What about the will of the people that elected them?" But they were elected on a mandate to leave the EU with a better deal than we currently have, not a worse deal or 'no deal'. | |||
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" Ireland will only owe the UK taxpayers billions if they refuse to pay and the UK has to finish paying the loan on its own. But what kind of country refuses to pay what it agreed?" | |||
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"So now we have an outgoing chancellor threatening an incoming prime minister. I’m sure Boris will replace him with a more acceptable chancellor.. But there still won't be anymore money." The Conservative Party inherited sovereign debt of £600bn or so in 2010. Do you know how much it is today? £2,000,000,000,000. Two trillion pounds. They have borrowed more money than every government in history combined. Where has it gone. Not to the poor folks, they have had austerity. Where has all the money gone? | |||
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"This mess has been created as you say by the eu insisting that the withdrawal agreement being agreed 1st instead of the talks being done together. " This mess has been created by May's redlines and the fuckwittery of the ERG. A deal has been negotiated | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out
FFS can we stop talking about the mythical "GATT 24" because even your hard brexiteer international trade secretary, dr Liam Fox, said on the Marr show last week it was a non starter
the EU have said the WA is not up for renegoiation.... basically you are trying to get the EU to Kick you out and blame them...
look even jeremy hunt in his hr long interview with sky kay burley (it would have been 30 minutes for both hunt and johnson, but johnson yet again decided not to show up) admitted that a no deal brexit would mean hard times for business, hard times for manufacturing, hard times for fishing and hard times for agriculture....
and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed.....
thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. "Ffs what kind of idiocy is this? The EU will NOT be hurt more by a No Deal Brexit. Simple maths shows that. Furthermore, they've actually planned properly for no deal. | |||
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"It's not what the UK is known for. The UK is known for always paying its debts, being a tripple A rated reliable partner. After world war 2, did the UK turn its back on all its agreements? no, it took till 2006 before it had paid everyone back. A no deal would throw it all in the bin. It would mean the UK does not honour its debts, or its promises. It will mean this new UK may or may not pay back money it promises you. If this is what people want, they believe that the leave vote meant to throw the UK reputation in the bin and go it alone, then sure do that. But I thought it meant to agree to pay debts in a gentlemanly fashion, to honour pre-exisiting polticial agreements, such as good friday, and then to exit the trade block with a new trade agreement that gives UK control over import taxes, export taxes, and migration control.It is not a game of cricket lol.The EU has ripped us off for years now hopefully payback time" Just when I thought the level of crassness on this thread had reached maximum, you pop up with this..... | |||
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"So now we have an outgoing chancellor threatening an incoming prime minister. I’m sure Boris will replace him with a more acceptable chancellor.. But there still won't be anymore money." But there will be herds of unicorns, and forests of money trees on the sunlit uplands, so it'll be just great | |||
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"Another crap car analogy. I can add to that... We drive our gore car 1000 miles to Brussels, set fire to it, and then look to negotiate a new deal. “give us a good one or we will walk home" The car salesman raises a quizzical continental eyebrow. This must be the British wit he's heard about. After negotiating for a while a deal is settled on. But as we approach closing we get a bit power hungry. "give us a better deal or we will walk home" Suddenly our OH realises we are serious. "no we fuck ain't." We berate her for ruining our skilled negation technicque and get the sales room to stay open until 10.31. We pretend we can renegitiate a better deal and that walking home is back on the table. What's different you may ask? Now we're working in a ten point conyiengy plan. By spending a fyxk load on an uber home. Ha, that will see us through. We can then work out how we will drive about without a car. I hear Swindon have a load of mechanics doing naff all. The end. "BoJO and Hunt are both suggesting that we walk into the car showroom, demand a 50% discount and threaten to bash our own brains in with a brick if they don't agree.....I wonder how big a discount that approach would generate? | |||
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"Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. The final payment is due march 2021, however the UK is only due 400 million. How it works is like this, I'll explain so even a child could understand. Ireland asked the central bank for a loan, and were quoted an extortionate interest rate due to being downgraded. Lets call it 50% for argument sake. The UK seen this and asked how much it would cost them to borrow the money and the central bank quoted them lets say 10%. The UK then borrowed the money and loaned it to Ireland at 15% meaning the UK is owed 5% of the loan. The UK gets 42 million sterling from Ireland every 6 months like clockwork and the UK did nothing but be a middle man in a transaction. A fantastic deal for the UK. Almost half a billion for nothing, for just trusting their oldest trade partner that they were good for it. Interestingly the UK got the loan at the lower rate because the UK always pays its debts, not because it skips out on them. A no deal UK could not secure a loan at the rates they got then, and they know deal, or no deal, Ireland is good for it and will pay off the complete interest payments to them. Ireland will only owe the UK taxpayers billions if they refuse to pay and the UK has to finish paying the loan on its own. But what kind of country refuses to pay what it agreed? You forgot to say it was also a great deal for Ireland, a friend did them a favour and saved them a lot of money, why would they not pay it back! erm... you also forgot to say that ireland paid back everything 2 years early.... with interest... so lets not pretend that the UK didn't make anything out of the irish banking crisis......." I didn't forget anything but as usual you are so anti Uk to see the jist of the story! The UK did Ireland a favour and saved them a lot of money the fact it made some money out of it is a bonus, did any other country offer to do the same? If someone had done the same for me, I would be grateful, which I'm sure they are but you keep moaning about it Fabio, it's what you do best! | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out "Ahhh bless. You still hanging on to the no deal threat analogy of a car showroom? Silly really. No deal in the car showroom analogy means things stay the same, status quote. In other words, we go home with our existing car (aka we don’t leave the EU). This has been pointed out ad nauseam, but of course Brexiters are not known for being the sharpest knife in the drawer. Threatening the E.U. with no deal is actually akin to the Sheriff threatening to blow his own brains out in the rather non-PC hostage scene in Blazing Saddles. Incidentally - do you not think that the E.U. read British newspapers and watch TV? They know what nonsense is going on and what is behind it all - as does the rest of the world. Who the fuck is Brian Morris? Is he as relevant as Ronnie Pickering? Brian Morris is clearly deluded and overflowing with entitlement as most Brexiters. It is far from childish to say that Brexit is a problem that the UK must solve because the UK created it. It is a simple, stonewall fact that we Brits created this shitfest and we are morally, ethically and socially responsible to make sure that our close neighbours are not damaged by our own foolhardiness. Make no mistake - the political competence of our European neighbours has made our political classes look like rank amateurs in the last three years and we should have zero confidence that the current race to the bottom will deliver sunlit uplands and bright future for this country. We have the politicians we deserve and they will deliver the future that we deserve. It really is all in our own hands no matter Brian Morris says lol | |||
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. However many others will argue that no deal will result in the best possible deal for the Uk . Only a fool would go into a car show room and state that they were committed to buying a car regardless . Providing we are fully committed to no deal and have all the contingency plans in place , the EU will then have no option but to take our plans seriously . An extract of a letter written by Brian Morris is an excellent summary of what our approach should be . Dismiss the childish response that the UK caused this Brexit problem so we must solve it. This is playground stuff on the level of ‘He started it’. The EU Commission has a responsibility to the people of Europe to help find a way to a fair and pragmatic Brexit that doesn’t damage their economy and cost jobs. We must turn the spotlight on the EU. We can start by forcefully pointing out that not only does it take two to tango, it takes two to arrive at a ‘no deal’. It is wholly unreasonable for the EU to refuse to change the Withdrawal Agreement and to dismiss calls for further meaningful negotiations. The May government tried three times to get the WA through the House of Common and each time lost by a thumping majority. Surely the EU cannot object to the British Parliament taking the final, democratic decision? Also, we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. We need a tougher tone. We should welcome headlines such as UK Government accuses EU of intransigence. The EU Commission’s negotiators are not our friends and we won’t achieve anything by pulling our punches. Rubbing cheeks with Jean Claude Juncker or his successor won’t unlock any doors and speaking plainly won’t close them. I fear that you might make the mistake of taking seriously some campaign rhetoric about being able to negotiate successfully with the EU. You should avoid the May error of believing that goodwill, personal contacts with EU leaders and your negotiating skills can achieve concessions. Your role is clearly to set out an agenda and goal for negotiations and then appoint the best team to negotiate. I hope that shortly after one of you has become our prime minister you will be able to produce a document, approved by your new cabinet, setting out a framework for negotiations for a fair and comprehensive free trade deal. Such a document should be sent to the EU Commission and the 27 member states and made available to the general public. Brexiteer Tory MPs should sail to every corner of the media globe to explain its merits and why the EU should welcome it. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Let’s put the ball in the EU’s court for a change. The Commission spent most of the long May negotiations complaining they did not know what sort of Brexit the UK wanted and not without reason. So tell them and say that we’re ready to negotiate on that basis just as soon as they are. Would this work? It’s impossible to say, though commentators are usually pessimistic about the EU agreeing to any new negotiations. But at least under this scenario the EU would have to justify its stance and they might struggle with that if the response was a continuing blank ‘No’. Up to this time many commentators seemed to regard what a Brexiteer might see as EU inflexibility and intransigence as immutable facts which the UK will struggle to deal with. Katya Adler, the BBC Europe Editor, signed off a report from Brussels by saying the EU insisted they would not change their position because they believed no deal would harm us more than them. She failed to add the reservation that choosing mutual assured damage as an option rather than further negotiations would strike many people as perhaps not the most rational response. Another BBC TV correspondent pointed out that Boris Johnson’s proposal to use a GATT 24 provision after an October Brexit for a continuation of zero tariff trade while a free trade agreement was negotiated, would need the agreement of the EU, an agreement Brussels has said it would not give. The implication was that this plan was therefore unworkable. But as so often in such matters, the simple question needs to be asked as to why the EU would not agree to such a proposal when it would clearly be as much in its interests as in ours. We will only know the answer to that question if the EU thinks that it really does face a no deal Brexit. But so long as it’s confident that the UK parliament will, somehow, prevent no deal happening, the EU will stick to its thick red line. Some commentators predict that parliament will find a way to block a ‘no deal’ and we may end up with a general election before one of you and your wife or girlfriend, whichever is applicable, have decided on the colour of the new curtains for number ten. If this should happen, then I suggest your narrative remains the same. Where we have ended up is not all the fault of ‘hardline Brexiteers’ who ‘were unwilling to compromise’ and were ‘prepared to crash out’, to use the language that has infiltrated so much of the reporting. Our failures have been matched by their obduracy and inflexibility. Now is a good time to start pointing that out "It’s interesting to see the Eu has a responsibility to prevent job losses and economic impacts of no deal, when we are told that this won’t happen this side of the channel. This implies tacit admission no deal isn’t good and will have impacts. The underlying assumption is the impact will be the same for the Eu as the uk. Indeed worse given they need us more than we need them. But while we may wish this to be true that doesn’t make it true. According to the bbc, exports to the Eu make up 15% of our gdp. For the Eu, exports to uk make up 3.5%. And looking wider we will feel it more as we give up trade deals via the Eu. They on the other hand have replace us with Japan. Aha you say. even if this is true (and I don’t believe it is because Nigel would never lie) surely they are still harming themselves just to punish us? Nope. You see, we’re in different seats. The uk has gone all in. The Eu deal is the only big deal we have on the table. While the Eu has some chips in the game, they also have the SM/CU, plus a host of other agreements in place or in negotiation. They will accept losing a bit with the uk if it means they win on the other agreements. Folding here may mean losing more elsewhere. And while the idea of going back to the Eu with our position, that’s a great idea in practice. But what is it? I don’t think given a blank page we’d be able to solve for all. How are we solving the border. And not just for customs. How are we dealing with vet checks etc. The Eu negotiated in good faith, accepted the withdrawal agreement we tabled. And that took years. And was backed (in theory) by cabinet. Why would they open up negotiations for a few months when we don’t know what will get through parliament or what the electorate will accept. The recent polls have the same support for a c soft Brexit (Mays or stay in SM and CU) as no deal. And let’s not forget the Eu is more than just goods. It’s a political Union. It’s a Sm and Cu of services as well as goods. So throwing out gatt 24 is not addressing the full divorce. We’re agreeing what we will do with the car, but ignoring the house. And as one final comment. It takes two to make a no deal ? Surely walking away is the one thing we can do unilaterally. It takes two to make a deal. But just one to make a no deal. | |||
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"It's not what the UK is known for. The UK is known for always paying its debts, being a tripple A rated reliable partner. After world war 2, did the UK turn its back on all its agreements? no, it took till 2006 before it had paid everyone back. A no deal would throw it all in the bin. It would mean the UK does not honour its debts, or its promises. It will mean this new UK may or may not pay back money it promises you. If this is what people want, they believe that the leave vote meant to throw the UK reputation in the bin and go it alone, then sure do that. But I thought it meant to agree to pay debts in a gentlemanly fashion, to honour pre-exisiting polticial agreements, such as good friday, and then to exit the trade block with a new trade agreement that gives UK control over import taxes, export taxes, and migration control.Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. " Eh it was £3.2 billion which will be fully repaid by March 2021 with interest I might add! So what's your point?? | |||
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" It’s interesting to see the Eu has a responsibility to prevent job losses and economic impacts of no deal, when we are told that this won’t happen this side of the channel. This implies tacit admission no deal isn’t good and will have impacts. " The New York Times ran a fascinating piece a few months back, showing where the economic fallout would occur as a result of a disorderly exit. By far the greatest hit was on the UK. About 5 countries in the EU would be looking at significant collateral damage - Ireland, Netherlands, Germany and a couple of others. Trade won't cease - it will just become more difficult and more expensive, pulling down economic growth and revenue streams to sovereign treasuries. | |||
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"...we will have a new Prime Minister and a new negotiating team. A new beginning for negotiations is more than justified. " If this crack team is so able, as well as supported, they'll have no problem revoking Article 50. Then resubmitting Article 50, providing 2 years for their skills to become evident and for referendum to be given to the UK citizens. Alternatively, the UK could have a general election, to similar ends, highlighting what the current UK requirements would be, rather than being so stuck in the past. | |||
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"It's not what the UK is known for. The UK is known for always paying its debts, being a tripple A rated reliable partner. After world war 2, did the UK turn its back on all its agreements? no, it took till 2006 before it had paid everyone back. A no deal would throw it all in the bin. It would mean the UK does not honour its debts, or its promises. It will mean this new UK may or may not pay back money it promises you. If this is what people want, they believe that the leave vote meant to throw the UK reputation in the bin and go it alone, then sure do that. But I thought it meant to agree to pay debts in a gentlemanly fashion, to honour pre-exisiting polticial agreements, such as good friday, and then to exit the trade block with a new trade agreement that gives UK control over import taxes, export taxes, and migration control.Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. Eh it was £3.2 billion which will be fully repaid by March 2021 with interest I might add! So what's your point??" But not the £14 billion that was lent to the banks by british tax payers to prevent them going under. | |||
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"It's not what the UK is known for. The UK is known for always paying its debts, being a tripple A rated reliable partner. After world war 2, did the UK turn its back on all its agreements? no, it took till 2006 before it had paid everyone back. A no deal would throw it all in the bin. It would mean the UK does not honour its debts, or its promises. It will mean this new UK may or may not pay back money it promises you. If this is what people want, they believe that the leave vote meant to throw the UK reputation in the bin and go it alone, then sure do that. But I thought it meant to agree to pay debts in a gentlemanly fashion, to honour pre-exisiting polticial agreements, such as good friday, and then to exit the trade block with a new trade agreement that gives UK control over import taxes, export taxes, and migration control.Talking of paying debts it would be handy if ireland gave the uk tax payers back the £14 billion it lent them when the financial crash happened. Eh it was £3.2 billion which will be fully repaid by March 2021 with interest I might add! So what's your point??But not the £14 billion that was lent to the banks by british tax payers to prevent them going under." Friendly countries help each other out. When you turn your back on your friends (physically and metaphorically), goodwill starts to evaporate. | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. " pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic..." Never gunna happen | |||
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" Friendly countries help each other out. When you turn your back on your friends (physically and metaphorically), goodwill starts to evaporate." Trying to persuade people devoid of empathy is a waste of time. | |||
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" Friendly countries help each other out. When you turn your back on your friends (physically and metaphorically), goodwill starts to evaporate. Trying to persuade people devoid of empathy is a waste of time." Maggie Thatcher's children | |||
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" Friendly countries help each other out. When you turn your back on your friends (physically and metaphorically), goodwill starts to evaporate. Trying to persuade people devoid of empathy is a waste of time. Maggie Thatcher's children" Carol or Mark! | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic..." Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. " This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures. | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures. "Hi . A great post and the best one that I have seen for some time on here . Like yourself I just laugh at all the scare mongering now. I guess that those who spend a substantial proportion of their spare time logged on here has chosen not to participate in Britain's success. Despite all the warnings of doom and gloom many countries from outside the UK are investing heavily in British business . Just look at the number of takeovers and acquisitions . In addition to all of that share prices had remained at consistent levels and dividend payments at an all time high. If the predictions of the merchants of doom and gloom were true , investors a would be offloading their shares asap. In addition to all of the above , unemployment is at a record 40 year low. | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures. "My company is the opposite to yours, while we are continuing to do well at the minute a no deal brexit will result in 93 people, a third of my employees losing there job and a loss of 30% of our turnover, while we do have plans in place just like any company for life after brexit we will be in a position that we were in prior to 2005 and all our hard work gone. | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures. Hi . A great post and the best one that I have seen for some time on here . Like yourself I just laugh at all the scare mongering now. I guess that those who spend a substantial proportion of their spare time logged on here has chosen not to participate in Britain's success.
Despite all the warnings of doom and gloom many countries from outside the UK are investing heavily in British business . Just look at the number of takeovers and acquisitions .
In addition to all of that share prices had remained at consistent levels and dividend payments at an all time high.
If the predictions of the merchants of doom and gloom were true , investors a would be offloading their shares asap.
In addition to all of the above , unemployment is at a record 40 year low. "Same shit, different pot | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures.
My company is the opposite to yours, while we are continuing to do well at the minute a no deal brexit will result in 93 people, a third of my employees losing there job and a loss of 30% of our turnover, while we do have plans in place just like any company for life after brexit we will be in a position that we were in prior to 2005 and all our hard work gone. "Anything you can do differently to mitigate the changes that will happen? | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures. Hi . A great post and the best one that I have seen for some time on here . Like yourself I just laugh at all the scare mongering now. I guess that those who spend a substantial proportion of their spare time logged on here has chosen not to participate in Britain's success.
Despite all the warnings of doom and gloom many countries from outside the UK are investing heavily in British business . Just look at the number of takeovers and acquisitions .
In addition to all of that share prices had remained at consistent levels and dividend payments at an all time high.
If the predictions of the merchants of doom and gloom were true , investors a would be offloading their shares asap.
In addition to all of the above , unemployment is at a record 40 year low. "Dividends generally go up over time, at least in nominal terms. Ftse is dictated as much by opinions on interest rates as economic outlook. Iirc Italy has risen too. Anecdotal evidwnxe isn't evidence. But great post. One of the best in a while. | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. " a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures.
My company is the opposite to yours, while we are continuing to do well at the minute a no deal brexit will result in 93 people, a third of my employees losing there job and a loss of 30% of our turnover, while we do have plans in place just like any company for life after brexit we will be in a position that we were in prior to 2005 and all our hard work gone.
Anything you can do differently to mitigate the changes that will happen?"Our owners are a German company with other manufacturing plants through Europe that all make similar products. A no deal brexit will mean all the work we do for our European customers will go to our sister plants to reduce any impact tariffs and transport delays will have and all our sister plants customers in the uk will be serviced by us, at a net loss of about 30%. Unless we can find other outlets before a no deal brexit then not much else we can do. | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures.
My company is the opposite to yours, while we are continuing to do well at the minute a no deal brexit will result in 93 people, a third of my employees losing there job and a loss of 30% of our turnover, while we do have plans in place just like any company for life after brexit we will be in a position that we were in prior to 2005 and all our hard work gone.
Anything you can do differently to mitigate the changes that will happen?"Nah. Why would they have considered doing anything like that? | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures.
My company is the opposite to yours, while we are continuing to do well at the minute a no deal brexit will result in 93 people, a third of my employees losing there job and a loss of 30% of our turnover, while we do have plans in place just like any company for life after brexit we will be in a position that we were in prior to 2005 and all our hard work gone.
Anything you can do differently to mitigate the changes that will happen?
Our owners are a German company with other manufacturing plants through Europe that all make similar products. A no deal brexit will mean all the work we do for our European customers will go to our sister plants to reduce any impact tariffs and transport delays will have and all our sister plants customers in the uk will be serviced by us, at a net loss of about 30%. Unless we can find other outlets before a no deal brexit then not much else we can do."Difficult to get a grasp of full picture without giving away too much on here.. your manufacturing finished product unique to your plant or feeding manufactured component parts to sister sites who finish and sell to uk customers? you’ve spoken with NECC or maybe NELEP? | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face!" Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . " How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . " [Snort] | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. " There are those who could be on the Titanic, deceiving themselves as a fractured iceberg represents it, not the ship and passengers, facing adversity. | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. " As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. " Christ almighty. No Deal Brexit will cost us £95bn according to the Chancellor but you prefer to listen to the worst Foreign Secretary ever. | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures. "Obviously your company doesn't subscribe to the views of the CBI etc which represent companies which employ hundreds of thousands of people and who believe that no deal will mean an economic catastrophe. A cursory glance at the latest economic data shows that all is not rosy in the garden for the UKplc. | |||
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" and yet.... who's mouth does it finally have to come out of for it to be believed..... thats a serious question..... As a no deal Brexit would hurt the EU more than the UK, it is crucial to emphasize that we must be prepared to go-ahead with no deal. Providing we go ahead with the no deal scenario we are in a position to negotiate the best possible deal. The EU will be banging on our doors once they realize the losses that they would incur. pat... can you please stop peddling shit that is patently not true..... its this sort of unrealistic shit that has been peddled for the last 3 years as to why we find ourselves where we are... you'll be talking about us having our cake and eating it next.... if the chancellor is being realistic... and one of the pm candidates is being realistic, when are you finally going to get realistic... Hi. You might like to think it is not true and while everyone is entitled to an opinion, just because someone's opinion is different to yours does not mean it is not true . Maybe you might like to read an article in today's Daily Telegraph by Mathew Leeming . You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. This
My company profits have increased drastically in the past three years. Including getting more contracts in Europe. In the last year I’ve doubled profits. Brexit isn’t affecting my company in a negative way if anything a positive way.
The Chancellor in my opinion is just fear mongering as he will be ousted when the new PM comes in. Remember he is a hardened
Funny listening to remoaners saying I’m going to go broke loose everything and have to shut down... I just laugh at them now and sometimes show them the figures.
My company is the opposite to yours, while we are continuing to do well at the minute a no deal brexit will result in 93 people, a third of my employees losing there job and a loss of 30% of our turnover, while we do have plans in place just like any company for life after brexit we will be in a position that we were in prior to 2005 and all our hard work gone.
Anything you can do differently to mitigate the changes that will happen?
Our owners are a German company with other manufacturing plants through Europe that all make similar products. A no deal brexit will mean all the work we do for our European customers will go to our sister plants to reduce any impact tariffs and transport delays will have and all our sister plants customers in the uk will be serviced by us, at a net loss of about 30%. Unless we can find other outlets before a no deal brexit then not much else we can do.
Difficult to get a grasp of full picture without giving away too much on here.. your manufacturing finished product unique to your plant or feeding manufactured component parts to sister sites who finish and sell to uk customers?
you’ve spoken with NECC or maybe NELEP? "What the hell is the local LEP going to be able to do? A No Deal creates a trading environment for a company such as this which means it's a no brainer to transfer work into the EU. If you can make and sell goods without tariffs or customs friction or you can manufacture with both of those thugs, which would you choose? | |||
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"On the positive side, if we end up with no deal then the government will throw money around like it's going out of fashion to keep the economy buoyant." And we all know who will be paying for that. I thought this Brexit malarkey was going to make the country better off. I don't recall them telling us we would all be poorer but with blue passports for a new country the Kingdom of England and Wales. | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . " You are possibly the most clueless poster on this forum......words fail me. Your grasp of economics would embarrass the average 11 year old | |||
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"In addition to all of the above , unemployment is at a record 40 year low. " If you really believe that you are deranged. | |||
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" Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . " again pat... can you stop with trying to again peddle myths do you know where this one came from... it came from a part of a report... leave EU put out some figures which they misinterpreted then the sun reported the same misinterpreted figures with the same misinterpreted conclusions..... the jacob rees mogg started using the sun article as proof.... a few problems.... a) jacob rees mogg doesn't make this claim anymore because..... b) the sun had to retract the artcle after the Press watchdog said it wasn't true because c) leave EU had to admit they gerrymandered the figures from the original report to fit a narrative.... and yet..... pat.... people like you still try to use something that had been debunked over and over and over its like a ERG greatest hits of falsehoods you are stupid enough to bring back up!! I feel like taking a drink every time GATT 24 is mentions, or article 70 of the vienna convention (which is where i am sure this is going to go next)... or the big red bus lie..... or a myriad of lies you keep up again and again and again! but you are right about one thing... if he abdicates any responsibility for his part in the continuing case and nazanin zagari radcliffe.... then why should i expect him to take any responsibility for his role in telling lies since the beginning of the brexit campaign! | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . You are possibly the most clueless poster on this forum......words fail me. Your grasp of economics would embarrass the average 11 year old" Hi. There is nothing wrong in being clueless. It is the end result of what you achieve in life that matters . I guess you think that you are superior to other posters. | |||
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" As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . " You see no evidence that austerity exists but you suggest that care for the elderly and disabled need addressing. Do you even know what austerity is? I am going to offer a suggestion as to why Boris Johnson is playing a very dangerous game. (Who by the way I though you disagreed because of his support of Liberalism?) The £GBP has weakened since the referendum and every time there is a suggestion of no deal or another political figures announces that nightmare scenario of no deal the pound dips further. Yesterday it was Philip Hammond and then later Liam Fox who spelled it out crystal clear. It is not therefore beyond the realms of possibility that an actual no deal outcome would cause a further run on the £GBP, only this time, because it is already very weak, it would push the currency through its lower buffer zone and create a Govt debt repayment crisis for the foreign debt that it carries. The Govt would be forced to intervene in Bank of England policy and force interest rates up to enable them to raise public money through high interest Bonds. Out of nowhere and with virtually no warning, we could easily be in a recession much worse than 2009 because the ability to lower interest rates or reduce taxes would not be there. Then we have the little matter of the ongoing willy waving competition between the USA and Iran and the upcoming 2020 elections in the USA. Over the last few months, each time an oil tanker was struck and then again when the Iranians shot down the drone the price of oil rose. Yesterday, Iran broke its commitments on the stockpiling of uranium and it appears that this situation in the Gulf will get worse before it gets better and it is not an unreasonable suggestion that hostilities could arise in the Gulf and Iran would blockade Hormuz. These things seem more likely, than unlikely at the moment. The outcome of this will inevitably see a very fast and dramatic increase in the price of oil just at the same time that the £GBP is experiencing a currency crisis. Added together, these two outcomes - both of which are entirely plausible would put the United Kingdom in exactly the same place that it was in 1973 when we had to get bailed out by the IMF. A currency in crisis, an inability to service foreign debt and a fuel emergency were the ingredients in 1973 and they could so easily happen again in very, very short order over the next few months. In 1973, the country went sleepwalking over two or three years into that crisis, this one could happen in a matter of months. What we have going on here is history repeating itself albeit in a different context. There is of course no guarantee that there will be a no deal Brexit and there is no certainty that the Iran situation may cause an increase in the price of oil - but both situations are becoming increasing likely. Now another little history lesson... In 1939, there existed in this country a period of time known as the “Phoney War”. The right wing press assured the population daily that war with Germany would never happen because Germany could not afford it after what they had just spent on recent campaigns and that Germany had no beef with Britain anyway. That said, it was vital that Britain should prepare for war, no matter how unlikely so that Germany would realise that the mighty British Armed Service was ready to give Herr Hitler a sharp and quickly inflicted bloody nose. The effect of this propaganda by the right wing press was to nullify the prospect of war with Germany and to make the population think that not only was the prospect of conflict greatly exaggerated, but that the outcome if it did happen would be very much a quick campaign to put Herr Hitler back in his box and the troops would be home by Christmas. The eventual outcome after a few false starts was that in May 1940, the British (and French) armies were routed within days and forced into a humiliating retreat to the beaches of Dunkirk whilst abandoning millions of tons of vehicles, armour and equipment. The reality was that despite what the Press has said, the British Army was no match for the battle hardened Germans. The Dunkirk humiliation sent the national psyche into a form of apoplectic shock. How could this have happened? The Press were blamed for their part, but their day of reckoning never came because national survival then became the order of the day. The relevance of this bit of history has actually nothing to do with that conflict, but it is about the Press - how they behaved, what they reported and how the general population consumed that “news.” The lesson that was never learned in 1939, nor was it learned from Suez is to think that Britain is immune from catastrophe and thinking that being plucky, positive and simply “British” will see us through. Some of the U.K. Press have a history of simply being unable to deliver a balanced message. Some British people also have a history of being unable to digest complicated scenario’s and then formulate considered responses that take into account all dimensions of the situation. Taking the easy path because someone who may not have your best interest at heart has put up a sign post for you. is probably not the right thing to do. | |||
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" As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . You see no evidence that austerity exists but you suggest that care for the elderly and disabled need addressing. Do you even know what austerity is? I am going to offer a suggestion as to why Boris Johnson is playing a very dangerous game. (Who by the way I though you disagreed because of his support of Liberalism?) The £GBP has weakened since the referendum and every time there is a suggestion of no deal or another political figures announces that nightmare scenario of no deal the pound dips further. Yesterday it was Philip Hammond and then later Liam Fox who spelled it out crystal clear. It is not therefore beyond the realms of possibility that an actual no deal outcome would cause a further run on the £GBP, only this time, because it is already very weak, it would push the currency through its lower buffer zone and create a Govt debt repayment crisis for the foreign debt that it carries. The Govt would be forced to intervene in Bank of England policy and force interest rates up to enable them to raise public money through high interest Bonds. Out of nowhere and with virtually no warning, we could easily be in a recession much worse than 2009 because the ability to lower interest rates or reduce taxes would not be there. Then we have the little matter of the ongoing willy waving competition between the USA and Iran and the upcoming 2020 elections in the USA. Over the last few months, each time an oil tanker was struck and then again when the Iranians shot down the drone the price of oil rose. Yesterday, Iran broke its commitments on the stockpiling of uranium and it appears that this situation in the Gulf will get worse before it gets better and it is not an unreasonable suggestion that hostilities could arise in the Gulf and Iran would blockade Hormuz. These things seem more likely, than unlikely at the moment. The outcome of this will inevitably see a very fast and dramatic increase in the price of oil just at the same time that the £GBP is experiencing a currency crisis. Added together, these two outcomes - both of which are entirely plausible would put the United Kingdom in exactly the same place that it was in 1973 when we had to get bailed out by the IMF. A currency in crisis, an inability to service foreign debt and a fuel emergency were the ingredients in 1973 and they could so easily happen again in very, very short order over the next few months. In 1973, the country went sleepwalking over two or three years into that crisis, this one could happen in a matter of months. What we have going on here is history repeating itself albeit in a different context. There is of course no guarantee that there will be a no deal Brexit and there is no certainty that the Iran situation may cause an increase in the price of oil - but both situations are becoming increasing likely. Now another little history lesson... In 1939, there existed in this country a period of time known as the “Phoney War”. The right wing press assured the population daily that war with Germany would never happen because Germany could not afford it after what they had just spent on recent campaigns and that Germany had no beef with Britain anyway. That said, it was vital that Britain should prepare for war, no matter how unlikely so that Germany would realise that the mighty British Armed Service was ready to give Herr Hitler a sharp and quickly inflicted bloody nose. The effect of this propaganda by the right wing press was to nullify the prospect of war with Germany and to make the population think that not only was the prospect of conflict greatly exaggerated, but that the outcome if it did happen would be very much a quick campaign to put Herr Hitler back in his box and the troops would be home by Christmas. The eventual outcome after a few false starts was that in May 1940, the British (and French) armies were routed within days and forced into a humiliating retreat to the beaches of Dunkirk whilst abandoning millions of tons of vehicles, armour and equipment. The reality was that despite what the Press has said, the British Army was no match for the battle hardened Germans. The Dunkirk humiliation sent the national psyche into a form of apoplectic shock. How could this have happened? The Press were blamed for their part, but their day of reckoning never came because national survival then became the order of the day. The relevance of this bit of history has actually nothing to do with that conflict, but it is about the Press - how they behaved, what they reported and how the general population consumed that “news.” The lesson that was never learned in 1939, nor was it learned from Suez is to think that Britain is immune from catastrophe and thinking that being plucky, positive and simply “British” will see us through. Some of the U.K. Press have a history of simply being unable to deliver a balanced message. Some British people also have a history of being unable to digest complicated scenario’s and then formulate considered responses that take into account all dimensions of the situation. Taking the easy path because someone who may not have your best interest at heart has put up a sign post for you. is probably not the right thing to do." A very good piece | |||
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" As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . You see no evidence that austerity exists but you suggest that care for the elderly and disabled need addressing. Do you even know what austerity is? I am going to offer a suggestion as to why Boris Johnson is playing a very dangerous game. (Who by the way I though you disagreed because of his support of Liberalism?) The £GBP has weakened since the referendum and every time there is a suggestion of no deal or another political figures announces that nightmare scenario of no deal the pound dips further. Yesterday it was Philip Hammond and then later Liam Fox who spelled it out crystal clear. It is not therefore beyond the realms of possibility that an actual no deal outcome would cause a further run on the £GBP, only this time, because it is already very weak, it would push the currency through its lower buffer zone and create a Govt debt repayment crisis for the foreign debt that it carries. The Govt would be forced to intervene in Bank of England policy and force interest rates up to enable them to raise public money through high interest Bonds. Out of nowhere and with virtually no warning, we could easily be in a recession much worse than 2009 because the ability to lower interest rates or reduce taxes would not be there. Then we have the little matter of the ongoing willy waving competition between the USA and Iran and the upcoming 2020 elections in the USA. Over the last few months, each time an oil tanker was struck and then again when the Iranians shot down the drone the price of oil rose. Yesterday, Iran broke its commitments on the stockpiling of uranium and it appears that this situation in the Gulf will get worse before it gets better and it is not an unreasonable suggestion that hostilities could arise in the Gulf and Iran would blockade Hormuz. These things seem more likely, than unlikely at the moment. The outcome of this will inevitably see a very fast and dramatic increase in the price of oil just at the same time that the £GBP is experiencing a currency crisis. Added together, these two outcomes - both of which are entirely plausible would put the United Kingdom in exactly the same place that it was in 1973 when we had to get bailed out by the IMF. A currency in crisis, an inability to service foreign debt and a fuel emergency were the ingredients in 1973 and they could so easily happen again in very, very short order over the next few months. In 1973, the country went sleepwalking over two or three years into that crisis, this one could happen in a matter of months. What we have going on here is history repeating itself albeit in a different context. There is of course no guarantee that there will be a no deal Brexit and there is no certainty that the Iran situation may cause an increase in the price of oil - but both situations are becoming increasing likely. Now another little history lesson... In 1939, there existed in this country a period of time known as the “Phoney War”. The right wing press assured the population daily that war with Germany would never happen because Germany could not afford it after what they had just spent on recent campaigns and that Germany had no beef with Britain anyway. That said, it was vital that Britain should prepare for war, no matter how unlikely so that Germany would realise that the mighty British Armed Service was ready to give Herr Hitler a sharp and quickly inflicted bloody nose. The effect of this propaganda by the right wing press was to nullify the prospect of war with Germany and to make the population think that not only was the prospect of conflict greatly exaggerated, but that the outcome if it did happen would be very much a quick campaign to put Herr Hitler back in his box and the troops would be home by Christmas. The eventual outcome after a few false starts was that in May 1940, the British (and French) armies were routed within days and forced into a humiliating retreat to the beaches of Dunkirk whilst abandoning millions of tons of vehicles, armour and equipment. The reality was that despite what the Press has said, the British Army was no match for the battle hardened Germans. The Dunkirk humiliation sent the national psyche into a form of apoplectic shock. How could this have happened? The Press were blamed for their part, but their day of reckoning never came because national survival then became the order of the day. The relevance of this bit of history has actually nothing to do with that conflict, but it is about the Press - how they behaved, what they reported and how the general population consumed that “news.” The lesson that was never learned in 1939, nor was it learned from Suez is to think that Britain is immune from catastrophe and thinking that being plucky, positive and simply “British” will see us through. Some of the U.K. Press have a history of simply being unable to deliver a balanced message. Some British people also have a history of being unable to digest complicated scenario’s and then formulate considered responses that take into account all dimensions of the situation. Taking the easy path because someone who may not have your best interest at heart has put up a sign post for you. is probably not the right thing to do." That's someone doing there own thinking and reaching a sensible conclusion. Not blindly cutting and pasting someone else's sound bite. | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . You are possibly the most clueless poster on this forum......words fail me. Your grasp of economics would embarrass the average 11 year old Hi. There is nothing wrong in being clueless. It is the end result of what you achieve in life that matters . I guess you think that you are superior to other posters. " OK. If that's the arbiter, what have you achieved in life then Pat? If you're response is that you luckily don't have to justify what you have achieved then you once again eat your own tail. Every one of your posts ends up that way. I am fairly confident that most people only reply to you so that your nonesense is not left unchallenged to lead other people down a blind alley. That's certainly my only motivation | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . You are possibly the most clueless poster on this forum......words fail me. Your grasp of economics would embarrass the average 11 year old Hi. There is nothing wrong in being clueless. It is the end result of what you achieve in life that matters . I guess you think that you are superior to other posters. OK. If that's the arbiter, what have you achieved in life then Pat? If you're response is that you luckily don't have to justify what you have achieved then you once again eat your own tail. Every one of your posts ends up that way. I am fairly confident that most people only reply to you so that your nonesense is not left unchallenged to lead other people down a blind alley. That's certainly my only motivation "As you raise the question maybe it is for you to answer. Luckily I have backed the winning teams , have you ? Accordingly I believe that my views are aligned with the majority of the population. Do you vote Conservative , support the President of the USA. and support the DUP. ? Do you support Boris Johnson.Anyone backing him is supporting a winner and a pm who will drive the UK to even greater economic success. What any poster writes on here is of course irrelevant , the only thing that matters is what you achieve in real life . | |||
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . You are possibly the most clueless poster on this forum......words fail me. Your grasp of economics would embarrass the average 11 year old Hi. There is nothing wrong in being clueless. It is the end result of what you achieve in life that matters . I guess you think that you are superior to other posters. OK. If that's the arbiter, what have you achieved in life then Pat? If you're response is that you luckily don't have to justify what you have achieved then you once again eat your own tail. Every one of your posts ends up that way. I am fairly confident that most people only reply to you so that your nonesense is not left unchallenged to lead other people down a blind alley. That's certainly my only motivation As you raise the question maybe it is for you to answer.
Luckily I have backed the winning teams , have you ?
Accordingly I believe that my views are aligned with the majority of the population. Do you vote Conservative , support the President of the USA. and support the DUP. ? Do you support Boris Johnson.Anyone backing him is supporting a winner and a pm who will drive the UK to even greater economic success.
What any poster writes on here is of course irrelevant , the only thing that matters is what you achieve in real life .
"Of course. Nonsense. Your achievements are backing "winning" politicians
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" You have yet to provide me with any convincing evidence as to why to why I should accept your opinion over that of the supporters of Boris Johnson . Leaving without a deal to a significant number of people simply means the best deal possible . If Boris becomes leader the UK is on a roll. Great times lie ahead. a) your chancellor told the house of commons a no deal brexit could blow a 90bn pound hole in the finances of this country... even without all the giveaway bojo has promised shaking the magic money tree...... b) you international trade secretary told everyone that the GATT24 theory that you all seem to be holding onto like a d*unk, is a myth and is not a solution.... c) your pm candidate in some sort of "mia culpa" finally admitted that a no deal brexit would cause huge damage to business, huge damage to manufacturing, huge damage to fishing and huge damage to agriculture and yet... you believe someone who didn't even know what the current living wage was!!! so just who benefits from leaving without a deal.... this i am dying to hear! you'd talked so much shit you've actually convinced yourself that you aren't talking it anymore..... you are lying with a straight face! Hi. Sounds like you are getting a bit desperate now. Maybe read the article in today's Daily Telegraph written by an ex flatmate of Boris . Surely people are just as much entitled to accept the opinions of a future pm as they are of your opinions . Just because someone has a different opinion of the UKs economic future does not mean that they are lying . A lot of factors come into the equation. I have a lot more confidence in Boris ( who is accountable for his actions ) than many of the remain supporting posters on here . How on earth are you even still alive? The blind faith that you put in people despite all evidence to the contrary is quite extraordinary. The other PM candidate had to admit today that the downturn caused by a no deal Brexit could easily be ass bad as the last financial crash. That was 11 years ago and the country is still facing austerity measures because of it. Such a downturn would in effect put the screws on for at least another ten years whilst even now - before leaving and just because there was a vote to Leave GDP is already significantly below where it would otherwise have been and we are already down the mythical £350 million a week. As Boris is probably the future PM a lot of people will have every confidence that he will deliver a successfull Brexit. You refer to evidence to the contrary. Different people have different opinions as to the validity of this evidence. On a simplistic basis we are simply talking about tweaks to duty rates and various amendments to the regulatory framework. Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. ? Unemployment is at an all time low and lots of people on benefits can afford both Sky tv and expensive mobile phones. If you are searching for problems that we need to address , you can ignore those of a no deal Brexit. The key issues we need to address are funding for care of the elderly / disabled and how to address future pension liabilities. You have no need to worry about my blind faith. I have fairly detailed monitoring procedures in place and take a twenty to thirty year view of most financial matters . That gives more than enough time to correct any errors. . You are possibly the most clueless poster on this forum......words fail me. Your grasp of economics would embarrass the average 11 year old Hi. There is nothing wrong in being clueless. It is the end result of what you achieve in life that matters . I guess you think that you are superior to other posters. OK. If that's the arbiter, what have you achieved in life then Pat? If you're response is that you luckily don't have to justify what you have achieved then you once again eat your own tail. Every one of your posts ends up that way. I am fairly confident that most people only reply to you so that your nonesense is not left unchallenged to lead other people down a blind alley. That's certainly my only motivation As you raise the question maybe it is for you to answer.
Luckily I have backed the winning teams , have you ?
Accordingly I believe that my views are aligned with the majority of the population. Do you vote Conservative , support the President of the USA. and support the DUP. ? Do you support Boris Johnson.Anyone backing him is supporting a winner and a pm who will drive the UK to even greater economic success.
What any poster writes on here is of course irrelevant , the only thing that matters is what you achieve in real life .
Of course. Nonsense. Your achievements are backing "winning" politicians
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" Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices . again pat... can you stop with trying to again peddle myths do you know where this one came from... it came from a part of a report... leave EU put out some figures which they misinterpreted then the sun reported the same misinterpreted figures with the same misinterpreted conclusions..... the jacob rees mogg started using the sun article as proof.... a few problems.... a) jacob rees mogg doesn't make this claim anymore because..... b) the sun had to retract the artcle after the Press watchdog said it wasn't true because c) leave EU had to admit they gerrymandered the figures from the original report to fit a narrative.... and yet..... pat.... people like you still try to use something that had been debunked over and over and over its like a ERG greatest hits of falsehoods you are stupid enough to bring back up!! I feel like taking a drink every time GATT 24 is mentions, or article 70 of the vienna convention (which is where i am sure this is going to go next)... or the big red bus lie..... or a myriad of lies you keep up again and again and again! but you are right about one thing... if he abdicates any responsibility for his part in the continuing case and nazanin zagari radcliffe.... then why should i expect him to take any responsibility for his role in telling lies since the beginning of the brexit campaign! " Hi. They may be myths to you but not to many other voters . The source of my information is none of those to whom you refer above . After all the predictions of those who support project fear failed to materialise I fail to see why anyone should believe any further predictions made by such people . A lot of people are happy to ignore the predictions of Philip Hammond. | |||
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" They may be myths to you but not to many other voters . The source of my information is none of those to whom you refer above ." okay then.... if thats the best you can really come up with then i have a question you were the one to interject this in the conversation: "" Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices "" can i have the source for this please? I can explain to you why this, especially when it comes to the clothes part, isn't likely to be true... by definition a no deal brexit will either mean that "the stuff being imported" will have a tariff attached to it... which would most likely be passed on down the chain to customer or.... if the clothes is made here, then labour costs are higher here than overseas to begin with... plus the fact still have to import the raw materials to make the clothes in the first place, and then you run into what i just said before! (you know... that whole "tariff" thing) anyway... source please! "After all the predictions of those who support project fear failed to materialise I fail to see why anyone should believe any further predictions made by such people . A lot of people are happy to ignore the predictions of Philip Hammond. " i think the man holding the purse strings is the most likely man to know how much is in the purse!  (unless you are saying bojo knows..... wow!!!! who told him!!!!)
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" They may be myths to you but not to many other voters . The source of my information is none of those to whom you refer above . okay then.... if thats the best you can really come up with then i have a question you were the one to interject this in the conversation: " Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices " can i have the source for this please? I can explain to you why this, especially when it comes to the clothes part, isn't likely to be true... by definition a no deal brexit will either mean that "the stuff being imported" will have a tariff attached to it... which would most likely be passed on down the chain to customer or.... if the clothes is made here, then labour costs are higher here than overseas to begin with... plus the fact still have to import the raw materials to make the clothes in the first place, and then you run into what i just said before! (you know... that whole "tariff" thing) anyway... source please! After all the predictions of those who support project fear failed to materialise I fail to see why anyone should believe any further predictions made by such people . A lot of people are happy to ignore the predictions of Philip Hammond. i think the man holding the purse strings is the most likely man to know how much is in the purse! (unless you are saying bojo knows..... wow!!!! who told him!!!!)
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" They may be myths to you but not to many other voters . The source of my information is none of those to whom you refer above . okay then.... if thats the best you can really come up with then i have a question you were the one to interject this in the conversation: " Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices " can i have the source for this please? I can explain to you why this, especially when it comes to the clothes part, isn't likely to be true... by definition a no deal brexit will either mean that "the stuff being imported" will have a tariff attached to it... which would most likely be passed on down the chain to customer or.... if the clothes is made here, then labour costs are higher here than overseas to begin with... plus the fact still have to import the raw materials to make the clothes in the first place, and then you run into what i just said before! (you know... that whole "tariff" thing) anyway... source please! After all the predictions of those who support project fear failed to materialise I fail to see why anyone should believe any further predictions made by such people . A lot of people are happy to ignore the predictions of Philip Hammond. i think the man holding the purse strings is the most likely man to know how much is in the purse! (unless you are saying bojo knows..... wow!!!! who told him!!!!)
p.s noticed you didn't talk about him abdicating any responsibility in the nazanin zaghari radcliffe case..... that has "leadership" written all over it!". I am sure that this has been discussed before on numerous occasions. Under a no deal Brexit the government can choose not to charge tariffs on imports. As a result of this many imported products will become cheaper. Philip Hammond is hardly a committed leaver so I am not sure why anyone should pay too much attention to his predictions of future costs. I guess he has an axe to grind . When Boris is elected it is unlikely that spreadsheet Phil will remain a member of the team. The Ratcliffe case is an entirely unrelated matter. A no deal Brexit simply means the best deal for the UK. Provided we have unconditional support for no deal the EU will have little choice but to offer us a much better deal. Only a fool walks into a car showroom and tells the salesman that they will a car regardless of the cost. | |||
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" They may be myths to you but not to many other voters . The source of my information is none of those to whom you refer above . okay then.... if thats the best you can really come up with then i have a question you were the one to interject this in the conversation: " Correctly handled a no deal Brexit actually benefits the less well off in society as it means cheaper food and clothes prices " can i have the source for this please? I can explain to you why this, especially when it comes to the clothes part, isn't likely to be true... by definition a no deal brexit will either mean that "the stuff being imported" will have a tariff attached to it... which would most likely be passed on down the chain to customer or.... if the clothes is made here, then labour costs are higher here than overseas to begin with... plus the fact still have to import the raw materials to make the clothes in the first place, and then you run into what i just said before! (you know... that whole "tariff" thing) anyway... source please! After all the predictions of those who support project fear failed to materialise I fail to see why anyone should believe any further predictions made by such people . A lot of people are happy to ignore the predictions of Philip Hammond. i think the man holding the purse strings is the most likely man to know how much is in the purse! (unless you are saying bojo knows..... wow!!!! who told him!!!!)
p.s noticed you didn't talk about him abdicating any responsibility in the nazanin zaghari radcliffe case..... that has "leadership" written all over it! . I am sure that this has been discussed before on numerous occasions.
Under a no deal Brexit the government can choose not to charge tariffs on imports. As a result of this many imported products will become cheaper.
Philip Hammond is hardly a committed leaver so I am not sure why anyone should pay too much attention to his predictions of future costs. I guess he has an axe to grind . When Boris is elected it is unlikely that spreadsheet Phil will remain a member of the team.
The Ratcliffe case is an entirely unrelated matter.
A no deal Brexit simply means the best deal for the UK. Provided we have unconditional support for no deal the EU will have little choice but to offer us a much better deal.
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""The competition between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt to out hard-Brexit each other with “no deal” pledges is the “height of irresponsibility” with “zero understanding” of the consequences." This according to Make UK, the trade body representing the UK manufacturing industry. It kind of makes you wonder what exactly it is that gives the Brexshitters such a hard-on about a no deal outcome. Not only is there no "good" Brexit at all for the UK, but in terms of shit Brexits - a no deal is about as shit as shit can be and yet there are people out there rallying for it. What a time we live in. If it pisses off people like you all the better " | |||
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"It isn't so much the forecasts of damage as the fact a PM with no mandate trying to defy the will of Parliament to push through a hard Brexit will come a cropper constitutionally very quickly. What about the will of the people that elected them? Yes, the people in 2016 were promised something better than what they had. Where is it? " It hasn’t happened yet. We voted leave and we haven’t last after all thus time: When we do, deal or no deal, we will then be able to sort out this sorry mess, and move forward as a truly independent nation. | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. " WTF? | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? Foodbanks in every town..sleeping bags with real people in in shop doorways in every town.. (its not This Britain Teresa was crying over) I know. " | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? " Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? " You really do live inside your own bubble don't you? You have absolutely no fucking idea what life is like in many of the less well off parts of the UK. Open your eyes! Or maybe you are fully aware and really just don't give a shit about anyone else but yourself. Zero empathy, zero humanity. | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? " Sometimes I think that you must be just a troll looking to provoke a reaction because it just seems inconceivable that an adult who actually lives in this country can have such a limited grasp of the state of the economy, the Govt and of society at large. It is no bad thing having personal preferences, but when personal preferences become force fields that block out actually reality then any normal person would surely notice that their outlook is seriously unbalanced. You not only don’t notice it, but you continue to trot out statements and assertions that your contemporaries stopped making months/years ago because they have been disproven and/or factually rebutted. First up - Austerity. Do you even know what it means? Why would you talk about shops? Austerity is a squeeze on Government spending that affects schools, health, local government, care in the community, youth services and indeed any kind of public service that is government funded. This is why austerity does not impact shopping - but it does impact homelessness, food banks, youth crime, drug crimes, care for the elderly, disabled and mental health support in the community. Second - you continue to use a car showroom analogy for Brexit that almost every other Brexiter stopped using because it is literally false and demonstrated the very opposite of what they thought it did. If you drive to a car showroom to change your car and there is no deal to be had, you walk away- aka you retain the status quo and drive home in your own car. The analogy of walking away is actually to remain in the E.U... It gets worse... You have announced to the car showroom that you are selling your car on a given date - do or die (ie you have weakened your negotiating position). Walking away simply puts more pressure on you because you have committed to sell your car and your own desperation will ultimately force you back to negotiate. Unless of course you can “survive” without a car and life won’t be “too bad.” There is no real life analogy whatsoever that suggests that you as an individual - who desperately needs a replacement car will have any power over a car showroom that has hundreds, if not thousands of potential customers passing through their doors. The car showroom analogy is so wrong that most Brexiters stopped using it because they realise that it demonstrated the actual counter argument - not the one they thought they were making. I get it though, some people choose to copy and share things that they think sound good without actually thinking it through. Yes it makes them looks bit stupid - but eventually they realise.... Well..... | |||
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"ARE you one of those people who’s decided to ignore every Brexit problem and just demand ‘no-deal’? Read our guide to what sort of bloodyminded idiot you are.
Classic ‘gammon’
Judging by the unfeasibly angry ‘gammons’ on BBC Question Time, these Brexiters would have difficulty admitting they were wrong about what night Masterchef is on. And let’s face it – if you like getting angry and playing the victim, Brexit is LOADS of fun! So far.
Proudly ignorant person
You’ve had three f*cking years to find out what the EU is, but haven’t bothered and think it’s a hostile foreign power, not a boring trade organisation. It’s extremely strange and paranoid, like assuming Sainsbury’s uses mind control waves to make you buy the more expensive bacon.
Right-wing columnist
These pundits actually get paid to think no-deal Brexit is great. Not to question their sincerity, but most members of the public would probably believe there really are Clangers on the moon if you paid them £500 to write a column about it every week.
Devious Tory leadership hopeful
Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt both seem to fear no-deal Brexit, but need the approval of ageing, bonkers Tory party members who really do believe it will be like living in a lovely 1950s war film.
‘Just sick of it all’ moaner
We get it. You’re bored sh*tless with Brexit now. However this is not a good reason to crash out of the EU. Lots of things are boring, like attending parents’ evenings, but you don’t deck Mr Wilkes the geography teacher then burn down the school with a flamethrower." | |||
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"Life is good in the uk ,ive said before try living in some other countries. The people in some of the places ive been would laugh at you moaning.Health service,roof over your head,free speech,social security i could go on.Even food banks it shows the empathy people have for the less well off,germany and france have food banks you cant blame the tories for that one.People today expect to have everything well it dont work that way if you cant afford it dont have it,i heard on the radio today that people are still paying off debts from last xmas its more education we need." Because we're better off than some people then it's fine? One of the big reasons for that is because we have spent the last 40 years in the EU. We haven't done so well because we are inherently great and deserving. We did it in part from being a very influential member of a a larger global organisation. Whilst the rest of the world was enjoying a global economic boom we were just breaking even. We could have been booming but doing OK is good enough. Dream big eh? | |||
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" I am sure that this has been discussed before on numerous occasions. Under a no deal Brexit the government can choose not to charge tariffs on imports. As a result of this many imported products will become cheaper." and if you do that then you will absolutely decimate the uk manufacturing and uk agriculture sectors! don't take my word for it... how about using Sir Patrick Minford and his "Economists For Brexit" group... they said it to the House of commons select committee on exiting the EU and those are economists on your side pat! even they concede "bad thing would happen"..... "I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. " A) thats cold B) Yes we can... thats why we do statistics year on year to see how one year compared to another..... " Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? " a)I take it back... now THATS cold..... b) you do know that food banks are an option of last resort and in most cases you have to be passed onto them... | |||
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"Life is good in the uk ,ive said before try living in some other countries. The people in some of the places ive been would laugh at you moaning.Health service,roof over your head,free speech,social security i could go on.Even food banks it shows the empathy people have for the less well off,germany and france have food banks you cant blame the tories for that one.People today expect to have everything well it dont work that way if you cant afford it dont have it,i heard on the radio today that people are still paying off debts from last xmas its more education we need. Because we're better off than some people then it's fine? One of the big reasons for that is because we have spent the last 40 years in the EU. We haven't done so well because we are inherently great and deserving. We did it in part from being a very influential member of a a larger global organisation. Whilst the rest of the world was enjoying a global economic boom we were just breaking even. We could have been booming but doing OK is good enough. Dream big eh? "Its fine because this is a great country to live in nothing to do with being in the Eu its because we have people with motivation and opportunity to get on.You are contradicting yourself when you say "we could have been booming but doing ok is good enough" we were in the Eu then.I cant see Italy,Spain,portugal,Greece or many other Eu countries "booming" from being in the Eu either.People like you make me laugh running the country down when you dont have a clue how a lot of people have to live. | |||
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"Life is good in the uk ,ive said before try living in some other countries. The people in some of the places ive been would laugh at you moaning.Health service,roof over your head,free speech,social security i could go on.Even food banks it shows the empathy people have for the less well off,germany and france have food banks you cant blame the tories for that one.People today expect to have everything well it dont work that way if you cant afford it dont have it,i heard on the radio today that people are still paying off debts from last xmas its more education we need. Because we're better off than some people then it's fine? One of the big reasons for that is because we have spent the last 40 years in the EU. We haven't done so well because we are inherently great and deserving. We did it in part from being a very influential member of a a larger global organisation. Whilst the rest of the world was enjoying a global economic boom we were just breaking even. We could have been booming but doing OK is good enough. Dream big eh? "The performance of the Stock exchange over the past 40 years speaks for itself . We have world leading technology companies, a highly skilled work force and a very favourable investment environment t . I guess that explains why so many EU citizens want to come here. If conditions were so good in their home countries they would hardly want to come to the UK. | |||
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"Oh boy.... Pat is going "next level"... so much crap, so much to dispell.... so where to start? I am sure that this has been discussed before on numerous occasions. Under a no deal Brexit the government can choose not to charge tariffs on imports. As a result of this many imported products will become cheaper. and if you do that then you will absolutely decimate the uk manufacturing and uk agriculture sectors! don't take my word for it... how about using Sir Patrick Minford and his "Economists For Brexit" group... they said it to the House of commons select committee on exiting the EU and those are economists on your side pat! even they concede "bad thing would happen"..... I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. Can anyone really claim that people are worse off now than they were ten years ago. A) thats cold B) Yes we can... thats why we do statistics year on year to see how one year compared to another..... Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? a)I take it back... now THATS cold..... b) you do know that food banks are an option of last resort and in most cases you have to be passed onto them..." . Hi. There is nothing to take back . I just made a realistic assessment of the situation. I am guessing that I have devoted as much ( if not more ) of my spare time than you have helping some of the less well off members of society. If people are using food banks there are two issues to address A. What have they spent the money that they already have on. B. Why are no family and friends helping them. I liase with social workers in a professional capacity and another is a friend. The social worker friend can give some very interesting stories as to where all the money goes . | |||
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"Life is good in the uk ,ive said before try living in some other countries. The people in some of the places ive been would laugh at you moaning.Health service,roof over your head,free speech,social security i could go on.Even food banks it shows the empathy people have for the less well off,germany and france have food banks you cant blame the tories for that one.People today expect to have everything well it dont work that way if you cant afford it dont have it,i heard on the radio today that people are still paying off debts from last xmas its more education we need. Because we're better off than some people then it's fine? One of the big reasons for that is because we have spent the last 40 years in the EU. We haven't done so well because we are inherently great and deserving. We did it in part from being a very influential member of a a larger global organisation. Whilst the rest of the world was enjoying a global economic boom we were just breaking even. We could have been booming but doing OK is good enough. Dream big eh? Its fine because this is a great country to live in nothing to do with being in the Eu its because we have people with motivation and opportunity to get on.You are contradicting yourself when you say "we could have been booming but doing ok is good enough" we were in the Eu then.I cant see Italy,Spain,portugal,Greece or many other Eu countries "booming" from being in the Eu either.People like you make me laugh running the country down when you dont have a clue how a lot of people have to live."A very interesting, informative and well written post. They do say that the truth hurts . | |||
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"Life is good in the uk ,ive said before try living in some other countries. The people in some of the places ive been would laugh at you moaning.Health service,roof over your head,free speech,social security i could go on.Even food banks it shows the empathy people have for the less well off,germany and france have food banks you cant blame the tories for that one.People today expect to have everything well it dont work that way if you cant afford it dont have it,i heard on the radio today that people are still paying off debts from last xmas its more education we need. Because we're better off than some people then it's fine? One of the big reasons for that is because we have spent the last 40 years in the EU. We haven't done so well because we are inherently great and deserving. We did it in part from being a very influential member of a a larger global organisation. Whilst the rest of the world was enjoying a global economic boom we were just breaking even. We could have been booming but doing OK is good enough. Dream big eh? The performance of the Stock exchange over the past 40 years speaks for itself . We have world leading technology companies, a highly skilled work force and a very favourable investment environment t .
I guess that explains why so many EU citizens want to come here. If conditions were so good in their home countries they would hardly want to come to the UK. "I don't think anyone is saying any different but what many are saying is why risk all that by brexiting. If being in the EU is so bad for us why do you post what you just have done? All our success over the last 40 years has been while we're a member state of the European Union. So why do a high risk bodge job of Brexit if we're doing so well as we are? | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? Sometimes I think that you must be just a troll looking to provoke a reaction because it just seems inconceivable that an adult who actually lives in this country can have such a limited grasp of the state of the economy, the Govt and of society at large. It is no bad thing having personal preferences, but when personal preferences become force fields that block out actually reality then any normal person would surely notice that their outlook is seriously unbalanced. You not only don’t notice it, but you continue to trot out statements and assertions that your contemporaries stopped making months/years ago because they have been disproven and/or factually rebutted. First up - Austerity. Do you even know what it means? Why would you talk about shops? Austerity is a squeeze on Government spending that affects schools, health, local government, care in the community, youth services and indeed any kind of public service that is government funded. This is why austerity does not impact shopping - but it does impact homelessness, food banks, youth crime, drug crimes, care for the elderly, disabled and mental health support in the community. Second - you continue to use a car showroom analogy for Brexit that almost every other Brexiter stopped using because it is literally false and demonstrated the very opposite of what they thought it did. If you drive to a car showroom to change your car and there is no deal to be had, you walk away- aka you retain the status quo and drive home in your own car. The analogy of walking away is actually to remain in the E.U... It gets worse... You have announced to the car showroom that you are selling your car on a given date - do or die (ie you have weakened your negotiating position). Walking away simply puts more pressure on you because you have committed to sell your car and your own desperation will ultimately force you back to negotiate. Unless of course you can “survive” without a car and life won’t be “too bad.” There is no real life analogy whatsoever that suggests that you as an individual - who desperately needs a replacement car will have any power over a car showroom that has hundreds, if not thousands of potential customers passing through their doors. The car showroom analogy is so wrong that most Brexiters stopped using it because they realise that it demonstrated the actual counter argument - not the one they thought they were making. I get it though, some people choose to copy and share things that they think sound good without actually thinking it through. Yes it makes them looks bit stupid - but eventually they realise.... Well..... " Luckily what is posted on these forums is entirely irrelevant to what happens in real life . Austerity . My guess is that I probably know as much ( if not more ) about austerity than you do . Today I have taken phone calls from both a social worker and a care agency and will be providing transport for a disabled person to hospital next week . I prefer to judge people by what they do in real life , not words that they type out on the internet . I have extensive contact with Doctors and medical staff at a hospital . A friend of mine is a social worker and she can provide some very interesting examples as to how claimants spend their money , This is not from reading newspapers , it is direct from the horses month ( by way of house visits and claimants coming into the office ) . One social security office I visited recently was manned by a number of security guards ( to prevent violence ) and another associated department had staff to translate foreign languages . I would have though that austerity would impact shopping . If a department has less to spend , less is spent on projects etc who means less staff and fewer people to shopping . Car showroom . The example is more than good enough for me . If you do not like it , then use the example of Richard Littlejohn and selling a house . If we approach it on a very simplistic basis , it is an undisputed fact that the UK buys more from the EU than we do from them . Consequently we should have the upper hand in the negotiations . The German car industry is hardly going to want to do itself serious damage by losing our business . | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? Sometimes I think that you must be just a troll looking to provoke a reaction because it just seems inconceivable that an adult who actually lives in this country can have such a limited grasp of the state of the economy, the Govt and of society at large. It is no bad thing having personal preferences, but when personal preferences become force fields that block out actually reality then any normal person would surely notice that their outlook is seriously unbalanced. You not only don’t notice it, but you continue to trot out statements and assertions that your contemporaries stopped making months/years ago because they have been disproven and/or factually rebutted. First up - Austerity. Do you even know what it means? Why would you talk about shops? Austerity is a squeeze on Government spending that affects schools, health, local government, care in the community, youth services and indeed any kind of public service that is government funded. This is why austerity does not impact shopping - but it does impact homelessness, food banks, youth crime, drug crimes, care for the elderly, disabled and mental health support in the community. Second - you continue to use a car showroom analogy for Brexit that almost every other Brexiter stopped using because it is literally false and demonstrated the very opposite of what they thought it did. If you drive to a car showroom to change your car and there is no deal to be had, you walk away- aka you retain the status quo and drive home in your own car. The analogy of walking away is actually to remain in the E.U... It gets worse... You have announced to the car showroom that you are selling your car on a given date - do or die (ie you have weakened your negotiating position). Walking away simply puts more pressure on you because you have committed to sell your car and your own desperation will ultimately force you back to negotiate. Unless of course you can “survive” without a car and life won’t be “too bad.” There is no real life analogy whatsoever that suggests that you as an individual - who desperately needs a replacement car will have any power over a car showroom that has hundreds, if not thousands of potential customers passing through their doors. The car showroom analogy is so wrong that most Brexiters stopped using it because they realise that it demonstrated the actual counter argument - not the one they thought they were making. I get it though, some people choose to copy and share things that they think sound good without actually thinking it through. Yes it makes them looks bit stupid - but eventually they realise.... Well..... Luckily what is posted on these forums is entirely irrelevant to what happens in real life . Austerity . My guess is that I probably know as much ( if not more ) about austerity than you do . Today I have taken phone calls from both a social worker and a care agency and will be providing transport for a disabled person to hospital next week . I prefer to judge people by what they do in real life , not words that they type out on the internet . I have extensive contact with Doctors and medical staff at a hospital . A friend of mine is a social worker and she can provide some very interesting examples as to how claimants spend their money , This is not from reading newspapers , it is direct from the horses month ( by way of house visits and claimants coming into the office ) . One social security office I visited recently was manned by a number of security guards ( to prevent violence ) and another associated department had staff to translate foreign languages . I would have though that austerity would impact shopping . If a department has less to spend , less is spent on projects etc who means less staff and fewer people to shopping . Car showroom . The example is more than good enough for me . If you do not like it , then use the example of Richard Littlejohn and selling a house . If we approach it on a very simplistic basis , it is an undisputed fact that the UK buys more from the EU than we do from them . Consequently we should have the upper hand in the negotiations . The German car industry is hardly going to want to do itself serious damage by losing our business . " Our exports to them account for something like 15% of our gdp. Their exports to us is about 4% of theirs. That's how simple the maths is. | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? Sometimes I think that you must be just a troll looking to provoke a reaction because it just seems inconceivable that an adult who actually lives in this country can have such a limited grasp of the state of the economy, the Govt and of society at large. It is no bad thing having personal preferences, but when personal preferences become force fields that block out actually reality then any normal person would surely notice that their outlook is seriously unbalanced. You not only don’t notice it, but you continue to trot out statements and assertions that your contemporaries stopped making months/years ago because they have been disproven and/or factually rebutted. First up - Austerity. Do you even know what it means? Why would you talk about shops? Austerity is a squeeze on Government spending that affects schools, health, local government, care in the community, youth services and indeed any kind of public service that is government funded. This is why austerity does not impact shopping - but it does impact homelessness, food banks, youth crime, drug crimes, care for the elderly, disabled and mental health support in the community. Second - you continue to use a car showroom analogy for Brexit that almost every other Brexiter stopped using because it is literally false and demonstrated the very opposite of what they thought it did. If you drive to a car showroom to change your car and there is no deal to be had, you walk away- aka you retain the status quo and drive home in your own car. The analogy of walking away is actually to remain in the E.U... It gets worse... You have announced to the car showroom that you are selling your car on a given date - do or die (ie you have weakened your negotiating position). Walking away simply puts more pressure on you because you have committed to sell your car and your own desperation will ultimately force you back to negotiate. Unless of course you can “survive” without a car and life won’t be “too bad.” There is no real life analogy whatsoever that suggests that you as an individual - who desperately needs a replacement car will have any power over a car showroom that has hundreds, if not thousands of potential customers passing through their doors. The car showroom analogy is so wrong that most Brexiters stopped using it because they realise that it demonstrated the actual counter argument - not the one they thought they were making. I get it though, some people choose to copy and share things that they think sound good without actually thinking it through. Yes it makes them looks bit stupid - but eventually they realise.... Well..... Luckily what is posted on these forums is entirely irrelevant to what happens in real life . Austerity . My guess is that I probably know as much ( if not more ) about austerity than you do . Today I have taken phone calls from both a social worker and a care agency and will be providing transport for a disabled person to hospital next week . I prefer to judge people by what they do in real life , not words that they type out on the internet . I have extensive contact with Doctors and medical staff at a hospital . A friend of mine is a social worker and she can provide some very interesting examples as to how claimants spend their money , This is not from reading newspapers , it is direct from the horses month ( by way of house visits and claimants coming into the office ) . One social security office I visited recently was manned by a number of security guards ( to prevent violence ) and another associated department had staff to translate foreign languages . I would have though that austerity would impact shopping . If a department has less to spend , less is spent on projects etc who means less staff and fewer people to shopping . Car showroom . The example is more than good enough for me . If you do not like it , then use the example of Richard Littlejohn and selling a house . If we approach it on a very simplistic basis , it is an undisputed fact that the UK buys more from the EU than we do from them . Consequently we should have the upper hand in the negotiations . The German car industry is hardly going to want to do itself serious damage by losing our business . Our exports to them account for something like 15% of our gdp. Their exports to us is about 4% of theirs. That's how simple the maths is. "However , a percentage is not hard cash. A percentage will not keep.a company afloat, a hard cash inflow will. | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? Sometimes I think that you must be just a troll looking to provoke a reaction because it just seems inconceivable that an adult who actually lives in this country can have such a limited grasp of the state of the economy, the Govt and of society at large. It is no bad thing having personal preferences, but when personal preferences become force fields that block out actually reality then any normal person would surely notice that their outlook is seriously unbalanced. You not only don’t notice it, but you continue to trot out statements and assertions that your contemporaries stopped making months/years ago because they have been disproven and/or factually rebutted. First up - Austerity. Do you even know what it means? Why would you talk about shops? Austerity is a squeeze on Government spending that affects schools, health, local government, care in the community, youth services and indeed any kind of public service that is government funded. This is why austerity does not impact shopping - but it does impact homelessness, food banks, youth crime, drug crimes, care for the elderly, disabled and mental health support in the community. Second - you continue to use a car showroom analogy for Brexit that almost every other Brexiter stopped using because it is literally false and demonstrated the very opposite of what they thought it did. If you drive to a car showroom to change your car and there is no deal to be had, you walk away- aka you retain the status quo and drive home in your own car. The analogy of walking away is actually to remain in the E.U... It gets worse... You have announced to the car showroom that you are selling your car on a given date - do or die (ie you have weakened your negotiating position). Walking away simply puts more pressure on you because you have committed to sell your car and your own desperation will ultimately force you back to negotiate. Unless of course you can “survive” without a car and life won’t be “too bad.” There is no real life analogy whatsoever that suggests that you as an individual - who desperately needs a replacement car will have any power over a car showroom that has hundreds, if not thousands of potential customers passing through their doors. The car showroom analogy is so wrong that most Brexiters stopped using it because they realise that it demonstrated the actual counter argument - not the one they thought they were making. I get it though, some people choose to copy and share things that they think sound good without actually thinking it through. Yes it makes them looks bit stupid - but eventually they realise.... Well..... Luckily what is posted on these forums is entirely irrelevant to what happens in real life . Austerity . My guess is that I probably know as much ( if not more ) about austerity than you do . Today I have taken phone calls from both a social worker and a care agency and will be providing transport for a disabled person to hospital next week . I prefer to judge people by what they do in real life , not words that they type out on the internet . I have extensive contact with Doctors and medical staff at a hospital . A friend of mine is a social worker and she can provide some very interesting examples as to how claimants spend their money , This is not from reading newspapers , it is direct from the horses month ( by way of house visits and claimants coming into the office ) . One social security office I visited recently was manned by a number of security guards ( to prevent violence ) and another associated department had staff to translate foreign languages . I would have though that austerity would impact shopping . If a department has less to spend , less is spent on projects etc who means less staff and fewer people to shopping . Car showroom . The example is more than good enough for me . If you do not like it , then use the example of Richard Littlejohn and selling a house . If we approach it on a very simplistic basis , it is an undisputed fact that the UK buys more from the EU than we do from them . Consequently we should have the upper hand in the negotiations . The German car industry is hardly going to want to do itself serious damage by losing our business . Our exports to them account for something like 15% of our gdp. Their exports to us is about 4% of theirs. That's how simple the maths is. However , a percentage is not hard cash. A percentage will not keep.a company afloat, a hard cash inflow will. "
No wonder nurses get pissed at a 2% payrise. That ain't gonna put food on the table.
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"Life is good in the uk ,ive said before try living in some other countries. The people in some of the places ive been would laugh at you moaning.Health service,roof over your head,free speech,social security i could go on.Even food banks it shows the empathy people have for the less well off,germany and france have food banks you cant blame the tories for that one.People today expect to have everything well it dont work that way if you cant afford it dont have it,i heard on the radio today that people are still paying off debts from last xmas its more education we need. Because we're better off than some people then it's fine? One of the big reasons for that is because we have spent the last 40 years in the EU. We haven't done so well because we are inherently great and deserving. We did it in part from being a very influential member of a a larger global organisation. Whilst the rest of the world was enjoying a global economic boom we were just breaking even. We could have been booming but doing OK is good enough. Dream big eh? Its fine because this is a great country to live in nothing to do with being in the Eu its because we have people with motivation and opportunity to get on.You are contradicting yourself when you say "we could have been booming but doing ok is good enough" we were in the Eu then.I cant see Italy,Spain,portugal,Greece or many other Eu countries "booming" from being in the Eu either.People like you make me laugh running the country down when you dont have a clue how a lot of people have to live."So lazy. Accusing me of "running the country down". I didn't say that it was crap did I. You just decided that I did because I didn't say everything was wonderful. I'm very aware of how privileged we are,but I don't have any allusion that we have some entitlement to it either. Why wouldn't you want people to be more prosperous if they could be? What do you know about my experience of life? Not a thing. You don't know about my past or my present. You don't know where I lived or who my friends are. Arrogant as hell. The Dutch, Germans and all manner of other nationalities did ride the boom and they will encounter some of the trough because that's how economic cycles work. The Italians and Greeks reaped what they sowed. The Irish and Spanish and Portuguese did too, bit they came out of the other side. That's the thing about sovereignty. You still make your own good or bad decisions and their consequences. Being a member of the EU doesn't make a country immune to economics or their own stupidity, but it provides support and opportunity. You are unable to name anything positive about the EU although there is plenty that is. Look to your own negativity. | |||
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" I can see no real evidence that austerity actually exists. WTF? Maybe walk down a few high streets and seeking how vibrant life is in the UK. For those sleeping rough you can hardly blame austerity . Why do their families not give them any support or is it just another case of people not being accountable for their actions . If food banks exist people will use them. Why have they spent all their money on that they need to use them. ? Sometimes I think that you must be just a troll looking to provoke a reaction because it just seems inconceivable that an adult who actually lives in this country can have such a limited grasp of the state of the economy, the Govt and of society at large. It is no bad thing having personal preferences, but when personal preferences become force fields that block out actually reality then any normal person would surely notice that their outlook is seriously unbalanced. You not only don’t notice it, but you continue to trot out statements and assertions that your contemporaries stopped making months/years ago because they have been disproven and/or factually rebutted. First up - Austerity. Do you even know what it means? Why would you talk about shops? Austerity is a squeeze on Government spending that affects schools, health, local government, care in the community, youth services and indeed any kind of public service that is government funded. This is why austerity does not impact shopping - but it does impact homelessness, food banks, youth crime, drug crimes, care for the elderly, disabled and mental health support in the community. Second - you continue to use a car showroom analogy for Brexit that almost every other Brexiter stopped using because it is literally false and demonstrated the very opposite of what they thought it did. If you drive to a car showroom to change your car and there is no deal to be had, you walk away- aka you retain the status quo and drive home in your own car. The analogy of walking away is actually to remain in the E.U... It gets worse... You have announced to the car showroom that you are selling your car on a given date - do or die (ie you have weakened your negotiating position). Walking away simply puts more pressure on you because you have committed to sell your car and your own desperation will ultimately force you back to negotiate. Unless of course you can “survive” without a car and life won’t be “too bad.” There is no real life analogy whatsoever that suggests that you as an individual - who desperately needs a replacement car will have any power over a car showroom that has hundreds, if not thousands of potential customers passing through their doors. The car showroom analogy is so wrong that most Brexiters stopped using it because they realise that it demonstrated the actual counter argument - not the one they thought they were making. I get it though, some people choose to copy and share things that they think sound good without actually thinking it through. Yes it makes them looks bit stupid - but eventually they realise.... Well..... Luckily what is posted on these forums is entirely irrelevant to what happens in real life . Austerity . My guess is that I probably know as much ( if not more ) about austerity than you do . Today I have taken phone calls from both a social worker and a care agency and will be providing transport for a disabled person to hospital next week . I prefer to judge people by what they do in real life , not words that they type out on the internet . I have extensive contact with Doctors and medical staff at a hospital . A friend of mine is a social worker and she can provide some very interesting examples as to how claimants spend their money , This is not from reading newspapers , it is direct from the horses month ( by way of house visits and claimants coming into the office ) . One social security office I visited recently was manned by a number of security guards ( to prevent violence ) and another associated department had staff to translate foreign languages . I would have though that austerity would impact shopping . If a department has less to spend , less is spent on projects etc who means less staff and fewer people to shopping . Car showroom . The example is more than good enough for me . If you do not like it , then use the example of Richard Littlejohn and selling a house . If we approach it on a very simplistic basis , it is an undisputed fact that the UK buys more from the EU than we do from them . Consequently we should have the upper hand in the negotiations . The German car industry is hardly going to want to do itself serious damage by losing our business . Our exports to them account for something like 15% of our gdp. Their exports to us is about 4% of theirs. That's how simple the maths is. However , a percentage is not hard cash. A percentage will not keep.a company afloat, a hard cash inflow will. "And tarrifs applied to all our imports and exports reduces your hard cash inflow | |||
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