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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West

It is fairly obvious to me that Brexit is, in the main driven, by English Exceptionalism and the rights that Scotland, Wales and NI will get post-Brexit will likely never equate to the rights that they had as part of the UK whilst in the EU.

Is the answer to the Brexit conundrum for those countries who wish to leave the EU, to simply leave the United Kingdom? England and English Politicians are risking a longer term, disorderly break up of the United Kingdom in pursuit of their ideologies and so if it is to break up - why not let it be quick, clean and orderly? If England left the United Kingdom - RUK could then revoke A50 and get things back to normal whilst England can be happily free of the EU and of the annoying Scots, N Irish and possibly the Welsh too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rid of the annoying Scots.

I voted to remain part of the UK in 2014.

By using the phrase Annoying Scots I hope you are not equating Scotland with the snp.

The SNP poll about 40 % so the other 60 % vote for pro union parties.

I am in a campaign group that promote remaining part of the union but being refered to as Annoying Scots does not exactly help me project a pro union message on the doorsteps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The main problem is that all we ever seem to hear about is cranky and the SNP party as they make the most noise and seems to forget there are many more in Scotland who cannot stand the SNP.

Gives a false impression of what Scotland actually wants

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"It is fairly obvious to me that Brexit is, in the main driven, by English Exceptionalism and the rights that Scotland, Wales and NI will get post-Brexit will likely never equate to the rights that they had as part of the UK whilst in the EU.

Is the answer to the Brexit conundrum for those countries who wish to leave the EU, to simply leave the United Kingdom? England and English Politicians are risking a longer term, disorderly break up of the United Kingdom in pursuit of their ideologies and so if it is to break up - why not let it be quick, clean and orderly? If England left the United Kingdom - RUK could then revoke A50 and get things back to normal whilst England can be happily free of the EU and of the annoying Scots, N Irish and possibly the Welsh too."
Hee hee hee

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"The main problem is that all we ever seem to hear about is cranky and the SNP party as they make the most noise and seems to forget there are many more in Scotland who cannot stand the SNP.

Gives a false impression of what Scotland actually wants "

Would tend to agree. I suppose as with most other domestic policies and international issues brexit has set the agenda..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Rid of the annoying Scots.

I voted to remain part of the UK in 2014.

By using the phrase Annoying Scots I hope you are not equating Scotland with the snp.

The SNP poll about 40 % so the other 60 % vote for pro union parties.

I am in a campaign group that promote remaining part of the union but being refered to as Annoying Scots does not exactly help me project a pro union message on the doorsteps."
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He's not the sharpest tool in the box to be fair, took me five hours to explain how a contract works

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is fairly obvious to me that Brexit is, in the main driven, by English Exceptionalism and the rights that Scotland, Wales and NI will get post-Brexit will likely never equate to the rights that they had as part of the UK whilst in the EU.

Is the answer to the Brexit conundrum for those countries who wish to leave the EU, to simply leave the United Kingdom? England and English Politicians are risking a longer term, disorderly break up of the United Kingdom in pursuit of their ideologies and so if it is to break up - why not let it be quick, clean and orderly? If England left the United Kingdom - RUK could then revoke A50 and get things back to normal whilst England can be happily free of the EU and of the annoying Scots, N Irish and possibly the Welsh too."

And treble the border issues!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is fairly obvious to me that Brexit is, in the main driven, by English Exceptionalism and the rights that Scotland, Wales and NI will get post-Brexit will likely never equate to the rights that they had as part of the UK whilst in the EU.

Is the answer to the Brexit conundrum for those countries who wish to leave the EU, to simply leave the United Kingdom? England and English Politicians are risking a longer term, disorderly break up of the United Kingdom in pursuit of their ideologies and so if it is to break up - why not let it be quick, clean and orderly? If England left the United Kingdom - RUK could then revoke A50 and get things back to normal whilst England can be happily free of the EU and of the annoying Scots, N Irish and possibly the Welsh too."

Yes I think that would suit the majority of the UK and solve the NI issue.

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By *oo hot OP   Couple
over a year ago

North West


"It is fairly obvious to me that Brexit is, in the main driven, by English Exceptionalism and the rights that Scotland, Wales and NI will get post-Brexit will likely never equate to the rights that they had as part of the UK whilst in the EU.

Is the answer to the Brexit conundrum for those countries who wish to leave the EU, to simply leave the United Kingdom? England and English Politicians are risking a longer term, disorderly break up of the United Kingdom in pursuit of their ideologies and so if it is to break up - why not let it be quick, clean and orderly? If England left the United Kingdom - RUK could then revoke A50 and get things back to normal whilst England can be happily free of the EU and of the annoying Scots, N Irish and possibly the Welsh too.

And treble the border issues! "

Not necessarily. The problem with Brexit is the same problem that is the United Kingdom in so much as it is a democratic mirage.

For far too long, British politics has been about polarisation, taking sides and winner takes all - irrespective of the margin. In the United Kingdom, this means that Scotland, Wales and N Ireland can only ever be subservient to their English Masters. The Scottish and Welsh Nationalists could have 100% support in their own countries and it would not make any difference at all.

The issue in Northern Ireland is similarly polarised because no one has ever really been given the option to say what would suit them outside of political allegiances. That said, most pragmatic Unionists are also business people and an open Ireland makes much more sense than the politically intransigent N Ireland that the Unionist Party’s like to portray.

If people were given more say in their governance and if political parties had to work together then many of the political hurdles that seem apparent at the moment could simply evaporate. Unfortunately, it is English stubbornness that is holding back democratic change and so maybe it should be the English who leave the U.K.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A union of Celtic nations makes sense.

London as a city state would be good also.

The rest of England can divide up further if that what's wanted.Or stay together as a smaller England.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A union of Celtic nations makes sense.

London as a city state would be good also.

The rest of England can divide up further if that what's wanted.Or stay together as a smaller England.

"

You and your little England mentality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A union of Celtic nations makes sense.

London as a city state would be good also.

The rest of England can divide up further if that what's wanted.Or stay together as a smaller England.

You and your little England mentality "

You don't need us we don't need you.Simples .

You'll be fine on your own .Youve probably squirreled away enough illegal red diesel to keep your tractors and cars going to 2030.Theyll be no famine.

Then its electric tractors baby ..,

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Does seem strange that the English have not felt the same nationalistic desire to separate from the union.

Why is that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does seem strange that the English have not felt the same nationalistic desire to separate from the union.

Why is that?"

Because I feel the union is basically English, with a few foreign bits mixed in

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Does seem strange that the English have not felt the same nationalistic desire to separate from the union.

Why is that?

Because I feel the union is basically English, with a few foreign bits mixed in "

Exactly that

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The English like being the big fish in the little pond.

They hate being the little fish in a big pond.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex


"Rid of the annoying Scots.

I voted to remain part of the UK in 2014.

By using the phrase Annoying Scots I hope you are not equating Scotland with the snp.

The SNP poll about 40 % so the other 60 % vote for pro union parties.

I am in a campaign group that promote remaining part of the union but being refered to as Annoying Scots does not exactly help me project a pro union message on the doorsteps."

We know what Scotland doesn't want - Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would England also leave the Commonwealth ?

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By *meraldisle400Man
over a year ago

London


"It is fairly obvious to me that Brexit is, in the main driven, by English Exceptionalism and the rights that Scotland, Wales and NI will get post-Brexit will likely never equate to the rights that they had as part of the UK whilst in the EU.

Is the answer to the Brexit conundrum for those countries who wish to leave the EU, to simply leave the United Kingdom? England and English Politicians are risking a longer term, disorderly break up of the United Kingdom in pursuit of their ideologies and so if it is to break up - why not let it be quick, clean and orderly? If England left the United Kingdom - RUK could then revoke A50 and get things back to normal whilst England can be happily free of the EU and of the annoying Scots, N Irish and possibly the Welsh too.

And treble the border issues!

Not necessarily. The problem with Brexit is the same problem that is the United Kingdom in so much as it is a democratic mirage.

For far too long, British politics has been about polarisation, taking sides and winner takes all - irrespective of the margin. In the United Kingdom, this means that Scotland, Wales and N Ireland can only ever be subservient to their English Masters. The Scottish and Welsh Nationalists could have 100% support in their own countries and it would not make any difference at all.

The issue in Northern Ireland is similarly polarised because no one has ever really been given the option to say what would suit them outside of political allegiances. That said, most pragmatic Unionists are also business people and an open Ireland makes much more sense than the politically intransigent N Ireland that the Unionist Party’s like to portray.

If people were given more say in their governance and if political parties had to work together then many of the political hurdles that seem apparent at the moment could simply evaporate. Unfortunately, it is English stubbornness that is holding back democratic change and so maybe it should be the English who leave the U.K. "
However the silent majority in Northern Ireland want to remain as part of the UK and have no wish to leave the union. Many residents in Northern Ireland are very patriotic to the UK.

It is very dangerous to listen to those who shout the loudest. I can see no logic read on as to why NI would wish to break away from the UK. The same applies to Scotland and Wales.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here we go again..

Ok so Scotland and Wales would be a damn sight poorer if they had to go it alone. Not so much Northern Ireland, because they would most likely unify with the South. Having said that the troubles would be back and on steroids should Ulster Loyalists be forced to unite with the republic.

England would be better off without them, financially, culturally, and above all politically.

I have family in Wales and Scotland, and some good friends in Northern Ireland, so it would sadden me personally. But if we are to be held to ransom by leftist politicians in the other parts of the union, then perhaps it is time we went it alone.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


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England would be better off without them, financially, culturally, and above all politically.

"

Not so much financially and politically, but I'm interested in your argument that England would be better off culturally.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

It is very dangerous to listen to those who shout the loudest. I can see no logic read on as to why NI would wish to break away from the UK. The same applies to Scotland and Wales."

It's called "taking back control".

You know, they very thing people resent about Brussels.

Well, surprise, surprise, some people feel exactly the same about Westminster.

In terms of political structures, power in the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is centralised to a much greater degree than the union of Europe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Naive to think it’s about Scotland leaving England- it’s about Scotland being a self-governing country again....that’s what independence means. Polls today now show balance of this Scots wishing independence has now tipped the 50% so yes, the SNP CAN speak for Scotland. They could before- that’s how government works in these matters- mandate at all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

‘Scotland would be poorer’ outwith the UK- interesting theory. You’ve not read the most recent statistics, then, about how much better of it would be? Or do you stick to right wing newspapers with Boris agendas?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It seems to me that Brexit is a far right take-over of democracy, where the ordinary person in the street has had their opinion influenced by a small number of much richer people, where they stand to gain much from brexit, whilst most of the people that they've influenced, stand to make great losses.

Any other issues, such as the UK union etc are side shows, as are any aspects of racism, which all help to keep people otherwise engaged, whilst the ever greater push towards a more extreme brexit than was ever discussed, prior to the referendum, is achieved by ever more devious measures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d disagree on ‘sideshows’ and suggest they are consequences. Not entirely unforeseen consequences, either....

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"SNP need to stop playing constitutional politics with Brexit. If we work together the Conservatives will deliver a successful deal for all of England's regions, including Scotland."

- Dominic Raab, Foreign Secretary of the United Kingom

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

“And after Raab stated he was not responsible for the message, Blackford accepted he had been conned and withdrew his comments.

He also stated that he was sorry the Tory MP had been targeted bin such a way by mischief makers.

He stated: "Sorry to see you were targeted in this way Dominic, appreciate you confirming it is a fake and of course I withdraw my response to this fake tweet."

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"“And after Raab stated he was not responsible for the message, Blackford accepted he had been conned and withdrew his comments.

He also stated that he was sorry the Tory MP had been targeted bin such a way by mischief makers.

He stated: "Sorry to see you were targeted in this way Dominic, appreciate you confirming it is a fake and of course I withdraw my response to this fake tweet."

"

Awkward lol

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It was a fake tweet?

Lolol somebody's been making mischief.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"It was a fake tweet?

Lolol somebody's been making mischief.

"

It’s easily done that’s why fact checking is so important especially for left wing supporters

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"It was a fake tweet?

Lolol somebody's been making mischief.

"

Yes

Over a year ago

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Really? It's still doing the rounds on social media, then.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas


"It is fairly obvious to me that Brexit is, in the main driven, by English Exceptionalism and the rights that Scotland, Wales and NI will get post-Brexit will likely never equate to the rights that they had as part of the UK whilst in the EU.

Is the answer to the Brexit conundrum for those countries who wish to leave the EU, to simply leave the United Kingdom? England and English Politicians are risking a longer term, disorderly break up of the United Kingdom in pursuit of their ideologies and so if it is to break up - why not let it be quick, clean and orderly? If England left the United Kingdom - RUK could then revoke A50 and get things back to normal whilst England can be happily free of the EU and of the annoying Scots, N Irish and possibly the Welsh too."
. Taking the Great out of Britain and putting the Little in England

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This stuff never dies.

There was a thread the over day about a FB post from a group called breaking brexit news or something.

The breaking vid was a year old.

Theres no such thing as an old joke. Just a joke you've heard before. Same for fake news.

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By *retty GoodMan
over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Really? It's still doing the rounds on social media, then."

Aannnnnnndddd welcome to the left wing propaganda movement

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas


"It was a fake tweet?

Lolol somebody's been making mischief.

It’s easily done that’s why fact checking is so important especially for left wing supporters "
. What wasn't fake was Raab answering a question to a select committee in parliament saying he did not want a border ( between mainland UK and Ireland ) down the Red Sea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

England will never leave the United Kingdom. England IS the United Kingdom.

The over-ruling Parliament is in London, England.

Why would England throw away its treasures, especially after the hard fighting that England put into gaining Wales, Northern Ireland and even Scotland. (Edward the 1st tried but failed, but eventually the sporrans succumbed). Besides, I can't see the aristocratic ancestry of our current English monarchy allowing that to happen.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"England will never leave the United Kingdom. England IS the United Kingdom.

The over-ruling Parliament is in London, England."

Pass me my face paint and claymore please

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"England will never leave the United Kingdom. England IS the United Kingdom.

The over-ruling Parliament is in London, England.

Why would England throw away its treasures, especially after the hard fighting that England put into gaining Wales, Northern Ireland and even Scotland. (Edward the 1st tried but failed, but eventually the sporrans succumbed). Besides, I can't see the aristocratic ancestry of our current English monarchy allowing that to happen."

Tally-ho, old chap.

And a big 10-4 to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"England will never leave the United Kingdom. England IS the United Kingdom.

The over-ruling Parliament is in London, England.

Pass me my face paint and claymore please

"
.

Face paint and Claymore?

Haven't seen either since the closure of Woolworths and Threshers Wine Merchants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"England will never leave the United Kingdom. England IS the United Kingdom.

The over-ruling Parliament is in London, England.

Why would England throw away its treasures, especially after the hard fighting that England put into gaining Wales, Northern Ireland and even Scotland. (Edward the 1st tried but failed, but eventually the sporrans succumbed). Besides, I can't see the aristocratic ancestry of our current English monarchy allowing that to happen.

Tally-ho, old chap.

And a big 10-4 to you.

"

Is that the toast between Boris and Dominic?

Dominic Cummings - "Tally Ho, old chap."

Boris Johnson "And a big 10-4 to you."

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"

It is very dangerous to listen to those who shout the loudest. I can see no logic read on as to why NI would wish to break away from the UK. The same applies to Scotland and Wales.

It's called "taking back control".

You know, they very thing people resent about Brussels.

Well, surprise, surprise, some people feel exactly the same about Westminster.

In terms of political structures, power in the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is centralised to a much greater degree than the union of Europe.

"

Yep. They really are blinkered.

O wad some Powr the giftie gie us

Tae see oursels as ithers see us

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"

It is very dangerous to listen to those who shout the loudest. I can see no logic read on as to why NI would wish to break away from the UK. The same applies to Scotland and Wales.

It's called "taking back control".

You know, they very thing people resent about Brussels.

Well, surprise, surprise, some people feel exactly the same about Westminster.

In terms of political structures, power in the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is centralised to a much greater degree than the union of Europe.

Yep. They really are blinkered.

O wad some Powr the giftie gie us

Tae see oursels as ithers see us"

It wad frae mony a blunder free us,

An' foolish notion:

What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,

An' ev'n devotion!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"England will never leave the United Kingdom. England IS the United Kingdom.

The over-ruling Parliament is in London, England.

Why would England throw away its treasures, especially after the hard fighting that England put into gaining Wales, Northern Ireland and even Scotland. (Edward the 1st tried but failed, but eventually the sporrans succumbed). Besides, I can't see the aristocratic ancestry of our current English monarchy allowing that to happen.

Tally-ho, old chap.

And a big 10-4 to you.

Is that the toast between Boris and Dominic?

Dominic Cummings - "Tally Ho, old chap."

Boris Johnson "And a big 10-4 to you."

"

I imagine they'll be wanking furiously over your post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"England will never leave the United Kingdom. England IS the United Kingdom.

The over-ruling Parliament is in London, England.

Why would England throw away its treasures, especially after the hard fighting that England put into gaining Wales, Northern Ireland and even Scotland. (Edward the 1st tried but failed, but eventually the sporrans succumbed). Besides, I can't see the aristocratic ancestry of our current English monarchy allowing that to happen.

Tally-ho, old chap.

And a big 10-4 to you.

Is that the toast between Boris and Dominic?

Dominic Cummings - "Tally Ho, old chap."

Boris Johnson "And a big 10-4 to you."

I imagine they'll be wanking furiously over your post

"

Cummings with a big 10 - 4 then.

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