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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. " Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk! | |||
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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk!" if you are going to use a quote from rees mogg... then i think it is fair to point out that rees mogg pays himself 60000 per year in "consultancy fees" from his own business .... you know.... that business he owns that is moving part of the operations to dublin to work around all of that "brexit related" stuff........   | |||
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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk! if you are going to use a quote from rees mogg... then i think it is fair to point out that rees mogg pays himself 60000 per year in "consultancy fees" from his own business .... you know.... that business he owns that is moving part of the operations to dublin to work around all of that "brexit related" stuff........ "Yet another straw man that is easily shredded. I suggest you go look at the meaning of the term 'false equivalence' on Google, as thats exactly what you've just done there. Rees-Moggs business that you're referring to is a private business, funded willingly by private clients using their own money, and has nothing to do with taxypayers money! What we're talking about in the OP in relation to Juncker and Tusk is golden handshake payments using taxpayers money and is 100% funded by the taxpayer! | |||
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"Will the Brexit Party MEPs be refusing any severance or pension payments on a point of principle? Of course, if your no-deal fantasy is fulfilled and the UK refuses to honour its financial commitments, no reason why the EU should honour theirs, either. " Actually Brexit party chairman Richard Tice, who was elected as Brexit party MEP for the Eastern region of the UK, has refused to pick up his MEP salary. He will be donating all of his MEP wages to charity. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138846/brexit-party-richard-tice-MEP-salary-nigel-farage What a stark contrast compared to money grabbing bastards on the EU Gravy train like Juncker and Tusk! I've yet to see any Tory, Labour, Lib dem or Green MEP's donate their wages to charity either. | |||
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"Will the Brexit Party MEPs be refusing any severance or pension payments on a point of principle? Of course, if your no-deal fantasy is fulfilled and the UK refuses to honour its financial commitments, no reason why the EU should honour theirs, either. Actually Brexit party chairman Richard Tice, who was elected as Brexit party MEP for the Eastern region of the UK, has refused to pick up his MEP salary. He will be donating all of his MEP wages to charity. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138846/brexit-party-richard-tice-MEP-salary-nigel-farage What a stark contrast compared to money grabbing bastards on the EU Gravy train like Juncker and Tusk! I've yet to see any Tory, Labour, Lib dem or Green MEP's donate their wages to charity either. " . Or the other Brexit MEPs ? | |||
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" What a stark contrast compared to money grabbing bastards on the EU Gravy train like Juncker and Tusk! I've yet to see any Tory, Labour, Lib dem or Green MEP's donate their wages to charity either. " Keeping insulting the EU and they'll give us much better terms, say Brexiteers. Cool. As someone on another post, led by donkeys. | |||
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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk! if you are going to use a quote from rees mogg... then i think it is fair to point out that rees mogg pays himself 60000 per year in "consultancy fees" from his own business .... you know.... that business he owns that is moving part of the operations to dublin to work around all of that "brexit related" stuff........ "I know junkers and tusk think the eu is their own private business but its not their wages are paid for by tax payers.But typical of any remainer to try and deflect from one of the main reasons people voted to leave. | |||
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"Will the Brexit Party MEPs be refusing any severance or pension payments on a point of principle? Of course, if your no-deal fantasy is fulfilled and the UK refuses to honour its financial commitments, no reason why the EU should honour theirs, either. Actually Brexit party chairman Richard Tice, who was elected as Brexit party MEP for the Eastern region of the UK, has refused to pick up his MEP salary. He will be donating all of his MEP wages to charity. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138846/brexit-party-richard-tice-MEP-salary-nigel-farage What a stark contrast compared to money grabbing bastards on the EU Gravy train like Juncker and Tusk! I've yet to see any Tory, Labour, Lib dem or Green MEP's donate their wages to charity either. " Nige has donated quite a lot of his salary back to the EU - that's what happens when you misuse money and get caught. Farage will receive severance pay of over £90k when he leaves the EU Parliament and will receive a pension of £66k from age of 63 for the rest of his life......Not bad considering he barely showed up in Brussels for years and was more interested in making ££ from his media roles. | |||
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"But typical of any remainer to try and deflect from one of the main reasons people voted to leave. " Will you then be refusing to vote in future for ANY party then? Since it's kinda the same, hell you could say it's one of the perks of being a politician. | |||
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"Will the Brexit Party MEPs be refusing any severance or pension payments on a point of principle? Of course, if your no-deal fantasy is fulfilled and the UK refuses to honour its financial commitments, no reason why the EU should honour theirs, either. Actually Brexit party chairman Richard Tice, who was elected as Brexit party MEP for the Eastern region of the UK, has refused to pick up his MEP salary. He will be donating all of his MEP wages to charity. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138846/brexit-party-richard-tice-MEP-salary-nigel-farage What a stark contrast compared to money grabbing bastards on the EU Gravy train like Juncker and Tusk! I've yet to see any Tory, Labour, Lib dem or Green MEP's donate their wages to charity either. Nige has donated quite a lot of his salary back to the EU - that's what happens when you misuse money and get caught. Farage will receive severance pay of over £90k when he leaves the EU Parliament and will receive a pension of £66k from age of 63 for the rest of his life......Not bad considering he barely showed up in Brussels for years and was more interested in making ££ from his media roles." Exactly thats just one mep times that by 100,s and thats how much is going out of tax payers pockets ever year.You make a good case for leaving and the gravy train they have created is the reason i voted to leave. | |||
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"Don't MP's get something similar? Probably not the same amount... Tho maybe the PM etc does.. " Yes but we need a government and civil service we dont need another in the form of the eu as we already have one. | |||
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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk! if you are going to use a quote from rees mogg... then i think it is fair to point out that rees mogg pays himself 60000 per year in "consultancy fees" from his own business .... you know.... that business he owns that is moving part of the operations to dublin to work around all of that "brexit related" stuff........ "eeee jumping ship to Ireland lol you’ve done that by getting an Irish passport haven’t you ? Lol | |||
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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk! if you are going to use a quote from rees mogg... then i think it is fair to point out that rees mogg pays himself 60000 per year in "consultancy fees" from his own business .... you know.... that business he owns that is moving part of the operations to dublin to work around all of that "brexit related" stuff........ eeee jumping ship to Ireland lol you’ve done that by getting an Irish passport haven’t you ? Lol"like i said... if it good enough that nigel farage gets his children german passports so they are not stripped of their EU rights.... than its good enough for me to get an irish passport to do the same.... your shot..... | |||
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"Don't MP's get something similar? Probably not the same amount... Tho maybe the PM etc does.. " yes..... basically any MP who has been one for "3 full government terms or 10 years (whichever comes first)" are entitled to the sort or payment that they are getting.... not as much but the general principle behind the payment.... which is to help to adapt people back into "civilian life"........ the principle of the payment is nobel, we can absolutely argue about the amount.... | |||
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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk! if you are going to use a quote from rees mogg... then i think it is fair to point out that rees mogg pays himself 60000 per year in "consultancy fees" from his own business .... you know.... that business he owns that is moving part of the operations to dublin to work around all of that "brexit related" stuff........ eeee jumping ship to Ireland lol you’ve done that by getting an Irish passport haven’t you ? Lol"I hear there's a big demand for pizza delivery drivers over there! Lol  | |||
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"The Tories talking down on money payouts, you couldn't make this shit up " | |||
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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk! if you are going to use a quote from rees mogg... then i think it is fair to point out that rees mogg pays himself 60000 per year in "consultancy fees" from his own business .... you know.... that business he owns that is moving part of the operations to dublin to work around all of that "brexit related" stuff........
Yet another straw man that is easily shredded. I suggest you go look at the meaning of the term 'false equivalence' on Google, as thats exactly what you've just done there.
Rees-Moggs business that you're referring to is a private business, funded willingly by private clients using their own money, and has nothing to do with taxypayers money!
What we're talking about in the OP in relation to Juncker and Tusk is golden handshake payments using taxpayers money and is 100% funded by the taxpayer!
"Except that Cameron's payments are not false equivalence. They are exact equivalence. Rich and powerful individuals are often paid a lot of money both during and after they are in positions of responsibility. Are you essentially taking a fully Communist view on this? That everyone should be paid the same regardless of their job? It's a worthy thought if somewhat impracticable in reality. I, personally, think the payments are excessive. The President of the USA is on an even better deal after leaving office: According to Title 3 of the US code, a president earns a $400,000 salary and is still on government payroll after leaving office. The president is also granted a $50,000 annual expense account, $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment. The whole point of your thread is outrage about whataboutery. If we and our politicians and industrialists were wearing hair shirts and eating grule we would every right to be outraged. That isn't the case though is it? | |||
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"Cameron got £20,000 and £115,000 every year in perpetuity to run his private office. Do some research. Nice bit of whatabouttary there. The thread is not about Cameron, its about Juncker and Tusk! if you are going to use a quote from rees mogg... then i think it is fair to point out that rees mogg pays himself 60000 per year in "consultancy fees" from his own business .... you know.... that business he owns that is moving part of the operations to dublin to work around all of that "brexit related" stuff........ I know junkers and tusk think the eu is their own private business but its not their wages are paid for by tax payers.But typical of any remainer to try and deflect from one of the main reasons people voted to leave. "What do you base this on? I don't even like Junker, but if you are going to make a wild allegation at least make a vague effort to back it up... | |||
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"Will the Brexit Party MEPs be refusing any severance or pension payments on a point of principle? Of course, if your no-deal fantasy is fulfilled and the UK refuses to honour its financial commitments, no reason why the EU should honour theirs, either. Actually Brexit party chairman Richard Tice, who was elected as Brexit party MEP for the Eastern region of the UK, has refused to pick up his MEP salary. He will be donating all of his MEP wages to charity. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138846/brexit-party-richard-tice-MEP-salary-nigel-farage What a stark contrast compared to money grabbing bastards on the EU Gravy train like Juncker and Tusk! I've yet to see any Tory, Labour, Lib dem or Green MEP's donate their wages to charity either. " The multi-millionaire? Everyone would probably do that cheerily if if they were that rich. Like Farage for instance... | |||
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"It has come to light that EU Presidents Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk will get Golden handshake pay off bonuses totalling nearly half a million Pounds funded by European tax payers. Jean Claude Juncker will get £144,000 and Donald Tusk will get £288,000 when they both leave office in November which amounts to £432,000 in total between the 2 of them. The pair both take home annual wages of £350,000 per year including other allowances, or around £24,000 per month, earning more than the President of the United States of America. Tory MP Ian Duncan Smith said, "Such payments and expensive privileges smack of an arrogant level of unnaceptable greed". Jacob Rees-Mogg added, "It seems odd that people in fixed term jobs have golden goodbyes" getting eye watering amounts as a bonus on top of their already bloated tax payer funded salaries. All part of the EU Gravy train, and jobs for the boys in Brussels, while European taxpayers, including taxpayers in the UK, contribute towards this circus. " Just for clarity this would also be considered a parachute payment as they are leaving. A handshake is a joining bonus. | |||
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"It has come to light that EU Presidents Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk will get Golden handshake pay off bonuses totalling nearly half a million Pounds funded by European tax payers. Jean Claude Juncker will get £144,000 and Donald Tusk will get £288,000 when they both leave office in November which amounts to £432,000 in total between the 2 of them. The pair both take home annual wages of £350,000 per year including other allowances, or around £24,000 per month, earning more than the President of the United States of America. Tory MP Ian Duncan Smith said, "Such payments and expensive privileges smack of an arrogant level of unnaceptable greed". Jacob Rees-Mogg added, "It seems odd that people in fixed term jobs have golden goodbyes" getting eye watering amounts as a bonus on top of their already bloated tax payer funded salaries. All part of the EU Gravy train, and jobs for the boys in Brussels, while European taxpayers, including taxpayers in the UK, contribute towards this circus. Just for clarity this would also be considered a parachute payment as they are leaving. A handshake is a joining bonus." The point is we dont need these people they have created a little gravy train for themselves when in reality every country has its own government and are capable of agreeing deals between their selves.Its a nice little con,actually a big con which i dont buy into. | |||
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"Will the Brexit Party MEPs be refusing any severance or pension payments on a point of principle? Of course, if your no-deal fantasy is fulfilled and the UK refuses to honour its financial commitments, no reason why the EU should honour theirs, either. Actually Brexit party chairman Richard Tice, who was elected as Brexit party MEP for the Eastern region of the UK, has refused to pick up his MEP salary. He will be donating all of his MEP wages to charity. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1138846/brexit-party-richard-tice-MEP-salary-nigel-farage What a stark contrast compared to money grabbing bastards on the EU Gravy train like Juncker and Tusk! I've yet to see any Tory, Labour, Lib dem or Green MEP's donate their wages to charity either. " Or you even. Are you going to donate your salary to Charity? | |||
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"It has come to light that EU Presidents Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk will get Golden handshake pay off bonuses totalling nearly half a million Pounds funded by European tax payers. Jean Claude Juncker will get £144,000 and Donald Tusk will get £288,000 when they both leave office in November which amounts to £432,000 in total between the 2 of them. The pair both take home annual wages of £350,000 per year including other allowances, or around £24,000 per month, earning more than the President of the United States of America. Tory MP Ian Duncan Smith said, "Such payments and expensive privileges smack of an arrogant level of unnaceptable greed". Jacob Rees-Mogg added, "It seems odd that people in fixed term jobs have golden goodbyes" getting eye watering amounts as a bonus on top of their already bloated tax payer funded salaries. All part of the EU Gravy train, and jobs for the boys in Brussels, while European taxpayers, including taxpayers in the UK, contribute towards this circus. Just for clarity this would also be considered a parachute payment as they are leaving. A handshake is a joining bonus.The point is we dont need these people they have created a little gravy train for themselves when in reality every country has its own government and are capable of agreeing deals between their selves.Its a nice little con,actually a big con which i dont buy into. " We do if we want someone to run a far larger organisation than the UK. It is my opinion that we gain a substantial benefit from that. You sir to think otherwise, but the point still stands as their retirement benefits are less than that of our Prime Ministers. The NATO Secretary general earns £220,00 salary. What's the bets that he gets a descent pension plan? The UN Secretary General earns $220,000 but also little information on what happens afterwards. Back to living in a semi-detached do you think? | |||
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"Am I the only one in here that wants to day that I do not want this much of my money spent on these people, whether president, high elephant or simply a dissenting member. If they represent the people, they should get what a reasonably paid ordinary person would expect to earn. And don't come back with any patronising rubbish about not being able to attract the "best". Anyone with a principled stance would represent their cause for reasons of belief rather than reasons of profit." . Prior to the 2015 General Election a friend of mine went to his local hustings where the prospective candidates put forward their case to the electorate .The TUSC candidate said that if elected he would accept all of his MPs wage but only keep what was the average wage in the constituency giving the remainder each month to local charities ,,,,,That particular candidate did not win .The candidate who won was the sitting MP who told his constituents that there was no money for services , that we had to tighten our belts and that we were all in it together .The same MP who had received an £8,000 pay-rise , paid for by British Tax-payers | |||
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"The Sunday Times July 10 2018 Nigel Farage has earned up to €790,000 on top of his €100,000-a-year salary, putting him sixth in a list of the highest-earning MEPs. Transparency International, a campaign group, has published a top ten of MEPs earning more from outside jobs than from their £89,000 pay. They also get “gravy train” perks. Mr Farage, 54, has declared income worth €590,000 to €790,000 from broadcast contracts since July 2014 under European parliament rules. His total earnings including salary are equivalent to as much as £787,000. Who said Bullshit does not pay eh! " Yep bullshit baffles brains as my grandad used to say.He wouldn't of bought a second hand motor off a cockroach such has Nigel .Far too slimy | |||
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"It has come to light that EU Presidents Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk will get Golden handshake pay off bonuses totalling nearly half a million Pounds funded by European tax payers. Jean Claude Juncker will get £144,000 and Donald Tusk will get £288,000 when they both leave office in November which amounts to £432,000 in total between the 2 of them. The pair both take home annual wages of £350,000 per year including other allowances, or around £24,000 per month, earning more than the President of the United States of America. Tory MP Ian Duncan Smith said, "Such payments and expensive privileges smack of an arrogant level of unnaceptable greed". Jacob Rees-Mogg added, "It seems odd that people in fixed term jobs have golden goodbyes" getting eye watering amounts as a bonus on top of their already bloated tax payer funded salaries. All part of the EU Gravy train, and jobs for the boys in Brussels, while European taxpayers, including taxpayers in the UK, contribute towards this circus. " Is it small reward for a fantastic performance that enhanced the lives of Europeans? Can someone please list their main achievements? | |||
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"It has come to light that EU Presidents Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk will get Golden handshake pay off bonuses totalling nearly half a million Pounds funded by European tax payers. Jean Claude Juncker will get £144,000 and Donald Tusk will get £288,000 when they both leave office in November which amounts to £432,000 in total between the 2 of them. The pair both take home annual wages of £350,000 per year including other allowances, or around £24,000 per month, earning more than the President of the United States of America. Tory MP Ian Duncan Smith said, "Such payments and expensive privileges smack of an arrogant level of unnaceptable greed". Jacob Rees-Mogg added, "It seems odd that people in fixed term jobs have golden goodbyes" getting eye watering amounts as a bonus on top of their already bloated tax payer funded salaries. All part of the EU Gravy train, and jobs for the boys in Brussels, while European taxpayers, including taxpayers in the UK, contribute towards this circus. Is it small reward for a fantastic performance that enhanced the lives of Europeans? Can someone please list their main achievements? " They dealt with Brexit. They said we'd like you to stay otherwise go f*ck yourselves. We, apparently, decided to go and f*ck ourselves. | |||
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"It has come to light that EU Presidents Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk will get Golden handshake pay off bonuses totalling nearly half a million Pounds funded by European tax payers. Jean Claude Juncker will get £144,000 and Donald Tusk will get £288,000 when they both leave office in November which amounts to £432,000 in total between the 2 of them. The pair both take home annual wages of £350,000 per year including other allowances, or around £24,000 per month, earning more than the President of the United States of America. Tory MP Ian Duncan Smith said, "Such payments and expensive privileges smack of an arrogant level of unnaceptable greed". Jacob Rees-Mogg added, "It seems odd that people in fixed term jobs have golden goodbyes" getting eye watering amounts as a bonus on top of their already bloated tax payer funded salaries. All part of the EU Gravy train, and jobs for the boys in Brussels, while European taxpayers, including taxpayers in the UK, contribute towards this circus. Is it small reward for a fantastic performance that enhanced the lives of Europeans? Can someone please list their main achievements? They dealt with Brexit. They said we'd like you to stay otherwise go f*ck yourselves. We, apparently, decided to go and f*ck ourselves." Oh, wait. It just occurred to me that I'd need to spell that out. They maintained a common negotiating position between 27 countries over three years to the extent that even populist anti-EU parties feel unable to declare any openly anti-EU sentiment because approval ratings amongst the voting population are at historic highs. I actively dislike Junker yet think he's better at his job than any of our lot. | |||
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