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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever " it will never be stamped out it has gone on since the begining of time and will continue untill the end of time the perpatrators are from all colours creeds religions and sexes its just that south asian males are currently the focus of the media ten years ago it was middle aged entertainers and the church | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever " What's the solution ?? | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever it will never be stamped out it has gone on since the begining of time and will continue untill the end of time the perpatrators are from all colours creeds religions and sexes its just that south asian males are currently the focus of the media ten years ago it was middle aged entertainers and the church " aw well if it’s happened for yrs it’s ok then sorry for posting it on fab | |||
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"I duno bob but something as to be done about it no good closeting our eyes iv got two girls it could of been them or anyone’s on here it boils my piss that thousands of kids are getting abused and if it wasn’t for the press no one would give a fuck " More coppers better surveillance.A task force dedicated to uncovering pedo rings.Demand It of your MP. | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever it will never be stamped out it has gone on since the begining of time and will continue untill the end of time the perpatrators are from all colours creeds religions and sexes its just that south asian males are currently the focus of the media ten years ago it was middle aged entertainers and the church " organised trafficking of young girls on a massive scale but it’s ok because it’s always gone on . Worse still the police failed to investigate because the perps were Asian mainly Pakistani or Pakistani descent because they did not want to be accused of being racist (Oxfordshire police) or we can’t investigate it would cause riots .i don’t think it really is the focus of the media they couldn’t hide the facts when cases finally got to court . I also find your attitude shameful | |||
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"It's not about the 'PC brigade' as you put it, 'going mental'. It's the fact that too many seem to have a perverse view of this as being a problem of one ethnic grouping. It happens within all communities, but there is only the outrage and outcry when it appears to happen in an Asian community. When it's the ones in Coventry, Derby, the north east etc that were white groups, it barely makes the press for more than a day or two, and nobody says there's a problem with the white community, the white community need to do more to root this out etc etc. That's why it leads some of us to suspect that there's more to some people's outrage than originally meets the eye. Wherever it is perpetrated, it needs to be stopped, but fuelling racism, division and fear does nothing to help us address these issues." was the north east a large white grooming gang I’m only aware of the Asian gang in Newcastle we’re abouts northeast was it ? | |||
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"I duno bob but something as to be done about it no good closeting our eyes iv got two girls it could of been them or anyone’s on here it boils my piss that thousands of kids are getting abused and if it wasn’t for the press no one would give a fuck " If you are(and I presume you are) a half decent parent and know where your kids are and who they are with then they are unlikely to be victims of these types of gangs. They prey on vulnerable children who unfortunately nobody does give a fuck about. The victims tend to be children in care or who's parents have no interest in them. What can be done to stop it? As people have said, this has been going on since forever. Preventing children from ending up in the situation where they are vulnerable to these type offenders would be a start, perhaps a massive increase in funding for child protective services, social work and such? Then people don't like paying more tax to cover these costs, and others denigrate social services for intervening when they shouldn't. Corruption within the system id also a large part of the problem IMO. It would be interesting to find out if there are countries where this is much less common and look at what they do differently to us, as much in their general culture as anything else. | |||
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"I duno bob but something as to be done about it no good closeting our eyes iv got two girls it could of been them or anyone’s on here it boils my piss that thousands of kids are getting abused and if it wasn’t for the press no one would give a fuck If you are(and I presume you are) a half decent parent and know where your kids are and who they are with then they are unlikely to be victims of these types of gangs. They prey on vulnerable children who unfortunately nobody does give a fuck about. The victims tend to be children in care or who's parents have no interest in them. What can be done to stop it? As people have said, this has been going on since forever. Preventing children from ending up in the situation where they are vulnerable to these type offenders would be a start, perhaps a massive increase in funding for child protective services, social work and such? Then people don't like paying more tax to cover these costs, and others denigrate social services for intervening when they shouldn't. Corruption within the system id also a large part of the problem IMO. It would be interesting to find out if there are countries where this is much less common and look at what they do differently to us, as much in their general culture as anything else. " consider myself more than a half decent parent but when my kids used to go out woth there mates I’d say we’re abouts you going and what time you in that’s about it I wouldn’t go out in the car and check I’d take there word for it like my parents did with me kids should be allowed to be kids in my book so I don’t blame the parents I blame the grooming gangs who drive round looking for kids to abuse some ppl will blame anyone apart from the scum it’s just how fucked up and scared we have become | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho " No matter how many times such crimes are utterly condemned by all on here of whatever politics the same old tired and false claims are made that the pc whatever go into hiding.. It's bollocks fella, the issue seems to be that because this gang and others have been none white or of one faith there should be a collective call from everyone that all none white and people of that faith are paedophiles which is the agenda of some on here.. It's the same when a person who is Muslim commits a terrorist atrocity, some on here want all of that faith branded the same.. And yet as we saw this week two white nazis are locked up and rightly so the same voices are silent.. All paedophiles are reprehensible criminals but not all of whatever demographic are current in the media are the same.. | |||
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"Who is saying all Muslims are peodos I never even mentioned the word Muslim I said Asian grooming gangs that’s how the press printed it yet again on this topic ppl post what about the Catholic Church or jimmy savile you said the two white nazis Wankers but how does that stop the Asian grooming gangs if it was 40 odd white nazis in almost every town then maybe you would finally be outraged " Outraged.. Listen I've seen very closely the effects that such people do, the two I mentioned were stopped but that wasn't the point was it.. I did not say you personally did I? But it's as common a claim on here that all Asians, muslims are terrorists when an atrocity is committed by others of that faith etc as is your own clam that the pc brigade or certain posters go quiet and both are wrong.. Btw other than saying its a reprehensible crime how else would you like me to express my outrage.. Because there are other things that are fucking outrageous too and I may want to do it in stages.. | |||
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"I duno bob but something as to be done about it no good closeting our eyes iv got two girls it could of been them or anyone’s on here it boils my piss that thousands of kids are getting abused and if it wasn’t for the press no one would give a fuck If you are(and I presume you are) a half decent parent and know where your kids are and who they are with then they are unlikely to be victims of these types of gangs. They prey on vulnerable children who unfortunately nobody does give a fuck about. The victims tend to be children in care or who's parents have no interest in them. What can be done to stop it? As people have said, this has been going on since forever. Preventing children from ending up in the situation where they are vulnerable to these type offenders would be a start, perhaps a massive increase in funding for child protective services, social work and such? Then people don't like paying more tax to cover these costs, and others denigrate social services for intervening when they shouldn't. Corruption within the system id also a large part of the problem IMO. It would be interesting to find out if there are countries where this is much less common and look at what they do differently to us, as much in their general culture as anything else. consider myself more than a half decent parent but when my kids used to go out woth there mates I’d say we’re abouts you going and what time you in that’s about it I wouldn’t go out in the car and check I’d take there word for it like my parents did with me kids should be allowed to be kids in my book so I don’t blame the parents I blame the grooming gangs who drive round looking for kids to abuse some ppl will blame anyone apart from the scum it’s just how fucked up and scared we have become " But they don't just drive about picking up random kids. They target children who they specifically know have no one looking out for them. They give them drugs, drink and pretend to be their friends. They convince them that whats happening is not abuse. A lot of the time the police treat these girls like there trash that are complicit in their own abuse. These type of gangs are operating in a grubby underworld that any parent who is involved in their child's daily life would notice if they were being sucked into. | |||
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"I can see a pattern where these gangs comes from as we have seen in manchester, rutherham and now west yorkshire. I wonder why the police never say the nationality of them?" What you mean British? | |||
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"This thread starts with the news that 44 people have been arrested and then people start with the assertions that the police don't do anything because of 'PC'. If PC stops investigations how did 44 people just get arrested? People spouting this line should be ashamed at themselves for using the suffering of children to attack the dreaded 'PC' bogeyman. " It's called dog-whistle politicking. | |||
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"I can see a pattern where these gangs comes from as we have seen in manchester, rutherham and now west yorkshire. I wonder why the police never say the nationality of them? What you mean British? " Were they all british? | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever What's the solution ??" For me the solution is to cut off the supply. The only way to do that is to look at what attracts young people into these grooming gangs, be it social, educational, etc, then address those issues. But that will take time and money. Short term, hand out punishments that reflect the crime and custodial sentances that may act as a deterent. | |||
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"I’ve only ever heard that these grooming gangs are a certain ethnicity. That’s not racist . That’s a fact."  | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho No matter how many times such crimes are utterly condemned by all on here of whatever politics the same old tired and false claims are made that the pc whatever go into hiding.. It's bollocks fella, the issue seems to be that because this gang and others have been none white or of one faith there should be a collective call from everyone that all none white and people of that faith are paedophiles which is the agenda of some on here.. It's the same when a person who is Muslim commits a terrorist atrocity, some on here want all of that faith branded the same.. And yet as we saw this week two white nazis are locked up and rightly so the same voices are silent.. All paedophiles are reprehensible criminals but not all of whatever demographic are current in the media are the same.. " . Maybe the start is you not labelling all conservatives far right!. Like you said this is a problem of the lefts making, Identity politics. | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho " You will probably have already noticed that the liberal masses are still prepared to overlook the fact that these gangs seem to be everywhere, and they are made up of mainly Muslim Asian, Pakistani in particular men. They are not only grooming, but they are assaulting (can’t put the real word), young white females, many of whom are already in the state care system. YES the social services have failed these young girls, and YES so have their parents. But that doesn’t mean that these organised groups of paedophiles are any less culpable. Their ethnicity should also be taken notice of, as it would appear that they see their victims as lesser beings. Personally I would hang all paedos, regardless of race or religion, social status, age etc. Perhaps there wouldn’t so many of them if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lampposts... | |||
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"A good start to ending this problem would probably be to stop underfunding both the police and social services. " Today, I agree with you wholeheartedly | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho You will probably have already noticed that the liberal masses are still prepared to overlook the fact that these gangs seem to be everywhere, and they are made up of mainly Muslim Asian, Pakistani in particular men. They are not only grooming, but they are assaulting (can’t put the real word), young white females, many of whom are already in the state care system. YES the social services have failed these young girls, and YES so have their parents. But that doesn’t mean that these organised groups of paedophiles are any less culpable. Their ethnicity should also be taken notice of, as it would appear that they see their victims as lesser beings. Personally I would hang all paedos, regardless of race or religion, social status, age etc. Perhaps there wouldn’t so many of them if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lampposts..." The Catholic church has been an international grooming gang for centuries. Mainly white. Overlooked until very, very recently. It matters not one iota what their religions or backgrounds are. Nobody, anywhere has said this makes them any less culpable. Are you saying that non-Muslim abusers have revere their victims in some way? Why don't all Muslim men abuse white women and other Asian women if that's what their religion actually claims? Incoherent nonsense. | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho You will probably have already noticed that the liberal masses are still prepared to overlook the fact that these gangs seem to be everywhere, and they are made up of mainly Muslim Asian, Pakistani in particular men. They are not only grooming, but they are assaulting (can’t put the real word), young white females, many of whom are already in the state care system. YES the social services have failed these young girls, and YES so have their parents. But that doesn’t mean that these organised groups of paedophiles are any less culpable. Their ethnicity should also be taken notice of, as it would appear that they see their victims as lesser beings. Personally I would hang all paedos, regardless of race or religion, social status, age etc. Perhaps there wouldn’t so many of them if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lampposts..." spot on mate | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho You will probably have already noticed that the liberal masses are still prepared to overlook the fact that these gangs seem to be everywhere, and they are made up of mainly Muslim Asian, Pakistani in particular men. They are not only grooming, but they are assaulting (can’t put the real word), young white females, many of whom are already in the state care system. YES the social services have failed these young girls, and YES so have their parents. But that doesn’t mean that these organised groups of paedophiles are any less culpable. Their ethnicity should also be taken notice of, as it would appear that they see their victims as lesser beings. Personally I would hang all paedos, regardless of race or religion, social status, age etc. Perhaps there wouldn’t so many of them if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lampposts... spot on mate "You should move to Syria and join ISIS. They do that sort of thing there you know. You'd fit right in.  | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho You will probably have already noticed that the liberal masses are still prepared to overlook the fact that these gangs seem to be everywhere, and they are made up of mainly Muslim Asian, Pakistani in particular men. They are not only grooming, but they are assaulting (can’t put the real word), young white females, many of whom are already in the state care system. YES the social services have failed these young girls, and YES so have their parents. But that doesn’t mean that these organised groups of paedophiles are any less culpable. Their ethnicity should also be taken notice of, as it would appear that they see their victims as lesser beings. Personally I would hang all paedos, regardless of race or religion, social status, age etc. Perhaps there wouldn’t so many of them if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lampposts... spot on mate
You should move to Syria and join ISIS. They do that sort of thing there you know. You'd fit right in. "Peadophiles are not people, they are monsters, and I stand on what I posted earlier. ALL paedophiles should be hanged. | |||
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"Aw so what would you do cracker give em all a big hug say don’t do it again lol guess you don’t have kids " You'd guess wrong then. And it's because I do have kids that I know I wouldn't have wanted them to see any people swinging from lampposts. It's not relevant if the offenders deserve it or not, my kids, your kids and no one's kids deserve to see that level of barbarity on our streets. In fact I'd go so far as to say that anyone who suggests that children should be forced to watch people swinging from lampposts is unfit to be aloud to have responsibility for them. | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho You will probably have already noticed that the liberal masses are still prepared to overlook the fact that these gangs seem to be everywhere, and they are made up of mainly Muslim Asian, Pakistani in particular men. They are not only grooming, but they are assaulting (can’t put the real word), young white females, many of whom are already in the state care system. YES the social services have failed these young girls, and YES so have their parents. But that doesn’t mean that these organised groups of paedophiles are any less culpable. Their ethnicity should also be taken notice of, as it would appear that they see their victims as lesser beings. Personally I would hang all paedos, regardless of race or religion, social status, age etc. Perhaps there wouldn’t so many of them if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lampposts... spot on mate
You should move to Syria and join ISIS. They do that sort of thing there you know. You'd fit right in.
Peadophiles are not people, they are monsters, and I stand on what I posted earlier. ALL paedophiles should be hanged."That's not what you posted earlier. What you posted earlier is that your kids, my kids and everyone's kids should be forced to watch people swinging from lampposts in the street. Maybe you want that for your kids but it's not what I would have wanted for mine and I'm pretty sure it's not what most people want for their kids either. Personally I think that anyone who wants to abuse their own kids by making them witness people swinging from lampposts is totally unfit to have kids and any kids they do have should be removed from their care immediately. The total hypocrisy of saying people who abuse children should be used to traumatise and abuse children themselves is staggering beyond belief. | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho You will probably have already noticed that the liberal masses are still prepared to overlook the fact that these gangs seem to be everywhere, and they are made up of mainly Muslim Asian, Pakistani in particular men. They are not only grooming, but they are assaulting (can’t put the real word), young white females, many of whom are already in the state care system. YES the social services have failed these young girls, and YES so have their parents. But that doesn’t mean that these organised groups of paedophiles are any less culpable. Their ethnicity should also be taken notice of, as it would appear that they see their victims as lesser beings. Personally I would hang all paedos, regardless of race or religion, social status, age etc. Perhaps there wouldn’t so many of them if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lampposts... spot on mate
You should move to Syria and join ISIS. They do that sort of thing there you know. You'd fit right in.
Peadophiles are not people, they are monsters, and I stand on what I posted earlier. ALL paedophiles should be hanged.
That's not what you posted earlier. What you posted earlier is that your kids, my kids and everyone's kids should be forced to watch people swinging from lampposts in the street. Maybe you want that for your kids but it's not what I would have wanted for mine and I'm pretty sure it's not what most people want for their kids either. Personally I think that anyone who wants to abuse their own kids by making them witness people swinging from lampposts is totally unfit to have kids and any kids they do have should be removed from their care immediately.
The total hypocrisy of saying people who abuse children should be used to traumatise and abuse children themselves is staggering beyond belief."Oh how to twist things huh? My point was that perhaps paedophiles would be less likely to act upon their disgusting urges if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lamp posts. Not once did I mention anything about forcing any children to watch anything. | |||
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"I’ve only ever heard that these grooming gangs are a certain ethnicity. That’s not racist . That’s a fact." Paedophile ring is another term for the same activity. | |||
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"It doesn’t help that everyone as gone too pc scared to be called a racist the police are the most afraid it’s pathetic look at fab for instance when ever this comes on here the pc brigade go mental or dissapear I agree bob a fast force and more police would be great aslong as they have the balls to investigate without fear tho You will probably have already noticed that the liberal masses are still prepared to overlook the fact that these gangs seem to be everywhere, and they are made up of mainly Muslim Asian, Pakistani in particular men. They are not only grooming, but they are assaulting (can’t put the real word), young white females, many of whom are already in the state care system. YES the social services have failed these young girls, and YES so have their parents. But that doesn’t mean that these organised groups of paedophiles are any less culpable. Their ethnicity should also be taken notice of, as it would appear that they see their victims as lesser beings. Personally I would hang all paedos, regardless of race or religion, social status, age etc. Perhaps there wouldn’t so many of them if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lampposts... spot on mate
You should move to Syria and join ISIS. They do that sort of thing there you know. You'd fit right in.
Peadophiles are not people, they are monsters, and I stand on what I posted earlier. ALL paedophiles should be hanged.
That's not what you posted earlier. What you posted earlier is that your kids, my kids and everyone's kids should be forced to watch people swinging from lampposts in the street. Maybe you want that for your kids but it's not what I would have wanted for mine and I'm pretty sure it's not what most people want for their kids either. Personally I think that anyone who wants to abuse their own kids by making them witness people swinging from lampposts is totally unfit to have kids and any kids they do have should be removed from their care immediately.
The total hypocrisy of saying people who abuse children should be used to traumatise and abuse children themselves is staggering beyond belief.
Oh how to twist things huh?
My point was that perhaps paedophiles would be less likely to act upon their disgusting urges if they had to watch each other swinging from a street load of lamp posts. Not once did I mention anything about forcing any children to watch anything."So where are these lampposts that you want people to swing from going to be, and how are you going to make sure that no kids live in or walk down those streets. There is no twisting at all, except for the twisting, vomiting, shitting, chocking and kicking that, by logical extension of wanting people swinging from lampposts, you want my kids, your kids and everyone's kids to witness. You can't have it both ways, either you're in favour of people swinging from lampposts in the street, in which case kids will see it, or your against traumatising kids, in which case you rule out public shows of barbaric cruelty such as swinging people from lampposts in the public streets. Which is it? | |||
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"I think he meant hypothetical lamp posts, that all child abusers should be removed from society. I hope that's what he meant anyway." Well that's not what he said and, when given the opportunity to clarify, he chose to double down on his remarks and said he totally stood by them. Wonder if he'll clarify them now. Somehow I think not, at least not in the way you're suggesting. | |||
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"I think he meant hypothetical lamp posts, that all child abusers should be removed from society. I hope that's what he meant anyway." He wanted remain voters to be hung last week then tried to say he had meant just those in parliament.. Wanted to arbitrarily hang people is not a good sign.. | |||
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"I duno bob but something as to be done about it no good closeting our eyes iv got two girls it could of been them or anyone’s on here it boils my piss that thousands of kids are getting abused and if it wasn’t for the press no one would give a fuck If you are(and I presume you are) a half decent parent and know where your kids are and who they are with then they are unlikely to be victims of these types of gangs. They prey on vulnerable children who unfortunately nobody does give a fuck about. The victims tend to be children in care or who's parents have no interest in them. What can be done to stop it? As people have said, this has been going on since forever. Preventing children from ending up in the situation where they are vulnerable to these type offenders would be a start, perhaps a massive increase in funding for child protective services, social work and such? Then people don't like paying more tax to cover these costs, and others denigrate social services for intervening when they shouldn't. Corruption within the system id also a large part of the problem IMO. It would be interesting to find out if there are countries where this is much less common and look at what they do differently to us, as much in their general culture as anything else. " The thing is I don't suppose it is any more or less common in any country. No matter who it happens to or by whom, it is opportunistic bahaviour.. I don't think you can ever fully stop sex abuse in any form but everyone can work damn hard to reduce opportunities and to out people before they have contact with children in any capacity. Eg I had it from a close family member my whole childhood, noone would have ever guessed, and none did until I told age 16. | |||
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"I duno bob but something as to be done about it no good closeting our eyes iv got two girls it could of been them or anyone’s on here it boils my piss that thousands of kids are getting abused and if it wasn’t for the press no one would give a fuck If you are(and I presume you are) a half decent parent and know where your kids are and who they are with then they are unlikely to be victims of these types of gangs. They prey on vulnerable children who unfortunately nobody does give a fuck about. The victims tend to be children in care or who's parents have no interest in them. What can be done to stop it? As people have said, this has been going on since forever. Preventing children from ending up in the situation where they are vulnerable to these type offenders would be a start, perhaps a massive increase in funding for child protective services, social work and such? Then people don't like paying more tax to cover these costs, and others denigrate social services for intervening when they shouldn't. Corruption within the system id also a large part of the problem IMO. It would be interesting to find out if there are countries where this is much less common and look at what they do differently to us, as much in their general culture as anything else. The thing is I don't suppose it is any more or less common in any country. No matter who it happens to or by whom, it is opportunistic bahaviour.. I don't think you can ever fully stop sex abuse in any form but everyone can work damn hard to reduce opportunities and to out people before they have contact with children in any capacity. Eg I had it from a close family member my whole childhood, noone would have ever guessed, and none did until I told age 16. " Sadly, the worst of it is that most abuse is from family members or someone trusted. I'm not sure why there is a need to draw distinctions though. As if one type is quite than another. It's all equally bad isn't it? | |||
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"I duno bob but something as to be done about it no good closeting our eyes iv got two girls it could of been them or anyone’s on here it boils my piss that thousands of kids are getting abused and if it wasn’t for the press no one would give a fuck If you are(and I presume you are) a half decent parent and know where your kids are and who they are with then they are unlikely to be victims of these types of gangs. They prey on vulnerable children who unfortunately nobody does give a fuck about. The victims tend to be children in care or who's parents have no interest in them. What can be done to stop it? As people have said, this has been going on since forever. Preventing children from ending up in the situation where they are vulnerable to these type offenders would be a start, perhaps a massive increase in funding for child protective services, social work and such? Then people don't like paying more tax to cover these costs, and others denigrate social services for intervening when they shouldn't. Corruption within the system id also a large part of the problem IMO. It would be interesting to find out if there are countries where this is much less common and look at what they do differently to us, as much in their general culture as anything else. The thing is I don't suppose it is any more or less common in any country. No matter who it happens to or by whom, it is opportunistic bahaviour.. I don't think you can ever fully stop sex abuse in any form but everyone can work damn hard to reduce opportunities and to out people before they have contact with children in any capacity. Eg I had it from a close family member my whole childhood, noone would have ever guessed, and none did until I told age 16. " That's quite a big "eg" All my best that the rest of life has treated you better | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !!" Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem  | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem "You've just wasted however long it took you to type all that . Did I mention lone perpetrators ?? I am specifically quoting the facts for Grooming Gangs . You read it and throw your toys out the pram yelling you're racist. I can assure you people that know me know different . But of course I'm racist  | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem You've just wasted however long it took you to type all that . Did I mention lone perpetrators ?? I am specifically quoting the facts for Grooming Gangs . You read it and throw your toys out the pram yelling you're racist. I can assure you people that know me know different . But of course I'm racist "It’s ok, on another thread he is calling me a traitor. I honestly don’t believe he is worth taking much notice of. And yes, you are correct about the grooming gangs. That doesn’t make you racist, it is that attitude that allows them to get away with it for so long, and to ruin so many lives. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem You've just wasted however long it took you to type all that . Did I mention lone perpetrators ?? I am specifically quoting the facts for Grooming Gangs . You read it and throw your toys out the pram yelling you're racist. I can assure you people that know me know different . But of course I'm racist
It’s ok, on another thread he is calling me a traitor. I honestly don’t believe he is worth taking much notice of.
And yes, you are correct about the grooming gangs. That doesn’t make you racist, it is that attitude that allows them to get away with it for so long, and to ruin so many lives."Cheers , much appreciated. I know my facts are right , and I guess his are too , it's just that I wasnt talking about his facts . Oh well | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem ". The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today. Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani). If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men. The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem You've just wasted however long it took you to type all that . Did I mention lone perpetrators ?? I am specifically quoting the facts for Grooming Gangs . You read it and throw your toys out the pram yelling you're racist. I can assure you people that know me know different . But of course I'm racist "Oh didums. Facts an issue? The point is that there is an equally significant problem with white abusers but there is no equivalent outcry. Why is that? By definition, there is action being taken because investigations are being carried out, arrests made and convictions had. Grooming gangs will end when psociopaths no longer exist. The incidence will reduce when the Police and social services are properly funded. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?."Interesting "maths". There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories. Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group. You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense. What does this even mean? "if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity". This is not a statistic. It's just words. You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion. I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified. The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background. 0.015% Vs 0.016% The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups. They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny. Why is that? | |||
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"As far as I can see here, the thread is about grooming gangs. Sure there are plenty of white nonces about, but that is not the point, we are talking about organised gangs, nearly all if not all are made up of Pakistani men. It does appear that some posters in here are making excuses for these monsters, yet are still trying to convince us all that it is they who hold the moral high ground. The fact that they are still soooo willing to brush the crimes committed by these vile gangs under the carpet, explains a lot about them. " It's not as simple a thing as one group abusing vulnerable people though is it.. All exploitation is bad by anyone regardless of their background and whomever the victims are.. Some only want to focus, like that vile fucker Tommy robinson on one set of perpetrators and that in itself is blinkered or is there an other reason why some get more upset over men from Asian backgrounds than white? There are people in pretty much every town in this country who have been trafficked for the purpose of exploitation so why are they less important than any other group, or is it that they are not born here so that's less of an issue? It's blatantly and obviously wrong to suggest that anyone has even suggested brushing under a carpet the crimes perpetuated by one group, its a facile and simply pathetic claim to try and make and these forums over the years on such topics illustrate that clearly.. | |||
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"As far as I can see here, the thread is about grooming gangs. Sure there are plenty of white nonces about, but that is not the point, we are talking about organised gangs, nearly all if not all are made up of Pakistani men. It does appear that some posters in here are making excuses for these monsters, yet are still trying to convince us all that it is they who hold the moral high ground. The fact that they are still soooo willing to brush the crimes committed by these vile gangs under the carpet, explains a lot about them. " I'm not making excuses for any sort of abuse. I've clearly stated quite the opposite. I am asking simply asking why grooming gangs make the news and multiple threads on this sites but not equally prevalent line abuse? Explain the logic to me. Is one worse than the other? The OP also asked how it could be stopped. The answer is very clear. Better funded police and social services. This will probably solve the problem of grooming gangs far better than the even more secretive one of known abuse. What's the solution for that? I am absolutely not minimising how serious grooming is by some Asian gangs. Now tell me if you are making enough of sole perpetrator assaults by white men. | |||
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"As far as I can see here, the thread is about grooming gangs. Sure there are plenty of white nonces about, but that is not the point, we are talking about organised gangs, nearly all if not all are made up of Pakistani men. It does appear that some posters in here are making excuses for these monsters, yet are still trying to convince us all that it is they who hold the moral high ground. The fact that they are still soooo willing to brush the crimes committed by these vile gangs under the carpet, explains a lot about them. " No one is making excuses for any paedophiles. What people are doing is pointing out that Asian paedophiles represent about 0.016% of the Asian community and white paedophiles represent about 0.015% of the white community. And the question we're asking is why those who claim they want to stop all paedophilia seem to concentrate their efforts on the 0.016% of Asians (229 people) but only seem to mention in passing the 0.015% of white paedophiles (2190 people). Seems to that they're not really interested in preventing paedophilia at all but far more interested in pushing an anti-Asian, islamophobic message that fits their own political agenda. | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever What's the solution ??" Prehaps monitoring children? over and over again we hear that parents complained as their children fell into drug use and drifted away and the police paid no attention. We need to stop protecting these people too, send them into general population etc. | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever What's the solution ?? Prehaps monitoring children? over and over again we hear that parents complained as their children fell into drug use and drifted away and the police paid no attention. We need to stop protecting these people too, send them into general population etc." Seems from what you're saying that we're heading back to Peachhaven's argument that letting all our children witness acts of outright depravity and violence on our streets is some how a good thing. Well it's definitely not what I would have wanted for my kids and doubt very much it's what most people would want for their's either. | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever What's the solution ?? Prehaps monitoring children? over and over again we hear that parents complained as their children fell into drug use and drifted away and the police paid no attention. We need to stop protecting these people too, send them into general population etc. Seems from what you're saying that we're heading back to Peachhaven's argument that letting all our children witness acts of outright depravity and violence on our streets is some how a good thing. Well it's definitely not what I would have wanted for my kids and doubt very much it's what most people would want for their's either. " I'm not sure he is advocating capital punishment. He's talking about no release. I wonder if there is an argument for this. This is a psychological problem which as far as I can gather from the research cannot be cured. Impulses can be controlled by those who have them. Many of them want to, but it remains a daily problem for which the consequences of failure are unspeakable. | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever What's the solution ?? Prehaps monitoring children? over and over again we hear that parents complained as their children fell into drug use and drifted away and the police paid no attention. We need to stop protecting these people too, send them into general population etc." Abuse from family members or friends is much more common than abuse at the hands of strangers. However, when the latter does occur, the victims are generally those children that don't have people looking out for them or make it difficult for their carers. So yes, identifying and protecting those most at risk could help. But of course the resource is not there to do so. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?". You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?. Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating. As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour. There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period. If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself. Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence."I'm interested in this logic. The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out. The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation. I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that. Read the OP. Read the headlines. Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way? The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible. You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted. You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have. | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever What's the solution ?? Prehaps monitoring children? over and over again we hear that parents complained as their children fell into drug use and drifted away and the police paid no attention. We need to stop protecting these people too, send them into general population etc. Seems from what you're saying that we're heading back to Peachhaven's argument that letting all our children witness acts of outright depravity and violence on our streets is some how a good thing. Well it's definitely not what I would have wanted for my kids and doubt very much it's what most people would want for their's either. " Yes because putting them in general population of a prison is the same as beating them in the streets and forcing your children to watch. | |||
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"44arrested in West Yorkshire Kirklees how many innocent kids have to be abused before this is stamped out forever What's the solution ?? Prehaps monitoring children? over and over again we hear that parents complained as their children fell into drug use and drifted away and the police paid no attention. We need to stop protecting these people too, send them into general population etc. Seems from what you're saying that we're heading back to Peachhaven's argument that letting all our children witness acts of outright depravity and violence on our streets is some how a good thing. Well it's definitely not what I would have wanted for my kids and doubt very much it's what most people would want for their's either. Yes because putting them in general population of a prison is the same as beating them in the streets and forcing your children to watch." I misunderstood what you meant by 'genral population'. However, while not nearly as bad as Peachhaven's swinging from lampposts, I still don't think that unofficially state sanctioned beatings is the best way forward in tackling the problem, even if hidden behind closed doors. People are sent to prison for breaking the law and it's meant to both punish them and also try to reform them from breaking the law again. Encouraging those people to break the law further by getting involved in unofficially sanctioned beatings of other inmates is unlikely to help achieve the latter. I don't want criminals administering so called justice. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have.". The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour. So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that). Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming. Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you. What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have..
The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour.
So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that).
Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming.
Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you.
What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in."This thread as specified by the OP is, apparently, about "Asian" gangs, as have many threads before. Can you understand that? I have never said that skin colour makes a difference specifically. I've just used the terms used in the CEOP data. Actual data used for investigating these crimes. It doesn't matter what form the offence takes, the rate is practically identical in both Asian and White communities (as defined by CEOP not me). The way that the Quilliam information has been gathered is not known. It does not come from the Home Office died it? You do not know, I do not know, universities don't know, researchers don't know how it was gathered. It may be true, it may not be. Nobody knows. However, this is your evidence together with the ethnicities of the men gathering the information and LBC call-in shows. I can only right the same thing in so many words: "The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out." What about this is racist? You are the only one calling out a specific minority and proclaiming that it behaves worse than the rest of society. You even claim to understand their motivation. Yet you call me racist? I'd say that this exchange was unbelievable, but in the context of politics today it absolutely is not | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have..
The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour.
So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that).
Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming.
Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you.
What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in.
This thread as specified by the OP is, apparently, about "Asian" gangs, as have many threads before.
Can you understand that?
I have never said that skin colour makes a difference specifically. I've just used the terms used in the CEOP data. Actual data used for investigating these crimes.
It doesn't matter what form the offence takes, the rate is practically identical in both Asian and White communities (as defined by CEOP not me).
The way that the Quilliam information has been gathered is not known. It does not come from the Home Office died it?
You do not know, I do not know, universities don't know, researchers don't know how it was gathered.
It may be true, it may not be. Nobody knows.
However, this is your evidence together with the ethnicities of the men gathering the information and LBC call-in shows.
I can only right the same thing in so many words:
"The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out."
What about this is racist?
You are the only one calling out a specific minority and proclaiming that it behaves worse than the rest of society. You even claim to understand their motivation.
Yet you call me racist?
I'd say that this exchange was unbelievable, but in the context of politics today it absolutely is not "Have you forgotten about your recent "Catholic" thread? Yes, I'm sure you would like to but it does support the other poster's views! | |||
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"Funny how anything on here about Asian grooming gangs always ends up being about the Catholic Church lol" It's those libertines... | |||
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"Funny how anything on here about Asian grooming gangs always ends up being about the Catholic Church lol It's those libertines..." its mainly the same ppl in all other threads on this subject bob Asian grooming gangs ye but what about the Catholic Church does make ya wonder tho just saying lol | |||
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"What do you think of this? A number of countries are moving to legislate to require preachers to report any cases of sex abuse they learn about during the course of their work. The Apostolic Penitentiary, a Catholic Church tribunal dealing with absolution and confessional matters, issued a six-page document approved by the pope and made public Monday. It states that priests must uphold their obligation of secrecy and cannot divulge confessions of child sex abuse to the authorities. “Every political or legislative initiative aimed at ‘forcing’ the inviolability of the sacramental seal would constitute an unacceptable offense against the freedom of the church, which doesn’t receive its very legitimization from any single country but from God,” the document said. To me, that amounts to conspiracy. I hope the church is hung to dry for it. " In case we have anyone here that believes yes, that's perfectly reasonable, the catholic priest does have an absolute obligation of secrecry, the confessional is a sacrament... What would be the response in a case where the imam at a mosque became aware of the activities of a grooming gang, but declared that he was unable to inform anyone because of a higher responsibility to Mohammad and Allah? Do i hear screaming for burning down the mosque? In advance of the protests that I am an apologist for the Asian gangs, or that i misunderstand the obligations of the catholic church - I am a practising Christian, i believe that child abuse is utterly wrong in all forms by any persons regardless of race or belief, and i believe that anyone who finds evidence of it happening has a moral obligation to inform the appropriate authorities regardless of whether they are priest, imam, doctor, lawyer, social worker, employee in a royal palace, personal secretary to a high ranking government official... | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have..
The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour.
So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that).
Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming.
Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you.
What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in.
This thread as specified by the OP is, apparently, about "Asian" gangs, as have many threads before.
Can you understand that?
I have never said that skin colour makes a difference specifically. I've just used the terms used in the CEOP data. Actual data used for investigating these crimes.
It doesn't matter what form the offence takes, the rate is practically identical in both Asian and White communities (as defined by CEOP not me).
The way that the Quilliam information has been gathered is not known. It does not come from the Home Office died it?
You do not know, I do not know, universities don't know, researchers don't know how it was gathered.
It may be true, it may not be. Nobody knows.
However, this is your evidence together with the ethnicities of the men gathering the information and LBC call-in shows.
I can only right the same thing in so many words:
"The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out."
What about this is racist?
You are the only one calling out a specific minority and proclaiming that it behaves worse than the rest of society. You even claim to understand their motivation.
Yet you call me racist?
I'd say that this exchange was unbelievable, but in the context of politics today it absolutely is not ". I'm unsure now wether your being obtuse or genuinely stupid?. The incidences are not the same you've taken two completely different crimes type 1 and type 2 and tired to infer that skin colour makes one more likely to be or the other but as you say don't panic as it's done at the same rate. It can be explained by culture just like drink driving rates going down, laws alone do not stop people committing crime, if they did there'd be no crime, change of culture is the long term solution just like what you hear from experts in say lowering knife crime in London. Now we know there's more white British type 2 than there is white British population, ie it's a higher incidence than you'd expect but that if you read any reports on this is because over decades we've managed to change the culture for children to feel able to report that crime, many experts in the field suspect the reason the incidence is lower amongst the Pakistani community is not because there skin colour is darker but because we have failed to instill that culture into the Pakistani community and therefore the vast majority of incidence are left unreported.
And yes it's perfectly acceptable to point out cultural faults of minorities just like it's good to point out some cultural things we could learn from from minorities like say the Chinese cultural of looking after they're parents inside a family home.
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have..
The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour.
So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that).
Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming.
Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you.
What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in.
This thread as specified by the OP is, apparently, about "Asian" gangs, as have many threads before.
Can you understand that?
I have never said that skin colour makes a difference specifically. I've just used the terms used in the CEOP data. Actual data used for investigating these crimes.
It doesn't matter what form the offence takes, the rate is practically identical in both Asian and White communities (as defined by CEOP not me).
The way that the Quilliam information has been gathered is not known. It does not come from the Home Office died it?
You do not know, I do not know, universities don't know, researchers don't know how it was gathered.
It may be true, it may not be. Nobody knows.
However, this is your evidence together with the ethnicities of the men gathering the information and LBC call-in shows.
I can only right the same thing in so many words:
"The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out."
What about this is racist?
You are the only one calling out a specific minority and proclaiming that it behaves worse than the rest of society. You even claim to understand their motivation.
Yet you call me racist?
I'd say that this exchange was unbelievable, but in the context of politics today it absolutely is not .
I'm unsure now wether your being obtuse or genuinely stupid?.
The incidences are not the same you've taken two completely different crimes type 1 and type 2 and tired to infer that skin colour makes one more likely to be or the other but as you say don't panic as it's done at the same rate.
It can be explained by culture just like drink driving rates going down, laws alone do not stop people committing crime, if they did there'd be no crime, change of culture is the long term solution just like what you hear from experts in say lowering knife crime in London.
Now we know there's more white British type 2 than there is white British population, ie it's a higher incidence than you'd expect but that if you read any reports on this is because over decades we've managed to change the culture for children to feel able to report that crime, many experts in the field suspect the reason the incidence is lower amongst the Pakistani community is not because there skin colour is darker but because we have failed to instill that culture into the Pakistani community and therefore the vast majority of incidence are left unreported.
And yes it's perfectly acceptable to point out cultural faults of minorities just like it's good to point out some cultural things we could learn from from minorities like say the Chinese cultural of looking after they're parents inside a family home.
Anyhow this thread is too long and I really can't be arsed arguing with you any longer."So, my statements are in no way racist as abuse is abuse regardless of background. You also have only anecdotal "evidence" of the Pakistani community being more likely to abuse in a group. Big of you to now skip over this. Type 1 abuse is totally different to Type 2 abuse? Really? On what planet? Someone is still being abused by someone else. The outcome for the victim is exactly the same. It's only different for the abuser. You are saying that is is somehow more evolved for one section of society to be abusing in secret? What difference does it make to the victim? You also imply that somehow group abuse is done openly in another segment of society. What crap. You are closest in your assertion of it being cultural because this is an underbelly of society, late at night. Operating on an unregulated time with most people tucked up in bed. It's just as secret. There is precisely nothing wrong in highlighting cultural dangers as long as you apply that insight equally. That includes your own sector of society. The headlines and these threads are time after time only about Asian grooming gangs. The uproar when about Catholic priests or white people being mentioned as perpetrators is instructive. At least it should be instructive except for the fact that it is shouted down and denounced as racist
1. Individuals from all ethnicities and religions and classes.
2. The proportions are similar.
3. They all deserve scrutiny.
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"The only grooming gangs I have ever heard of have been Asian/ Pakistani ones . You will because the majority are. How much press does abuse by individuals get? It's every bit as serious isn't it?" all abuse is rank no matter by who but I think been passed around by 40-60 men compared to one is a bit diffrent death penalty for all would be my choice of punishment preferably a slow death | |||
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"The only grooming gangs I have ever heard of have been Asian/ Pakistani ones . You will because the majority are. How much press does abuse by individuals get? It's every bit as serious isn't it? all abuse is rank no matter by who but I think been passed around by 40-60 men compared to one is a bit diffrent death penalty for all would be my choice of punishment preferably a slow death " That's pretty presumptuous. There is not better or worse abuse. Why even voice that? Have you ever made an outraged post about anything other than what's been done by Asian gangs? If not, why? Because that's what's in the news? Because that what upsets you more. If so, why? As far as punishment is concerned, as much as I have the same instincts, we have to be better as a society than the death penalty or torture which is the other favourite option. There is always, always the chance of convicting the wrong person. I do understand the sentiment though. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have..
The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour.
So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that).
Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming.
Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you.
What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in.
This thread as specified by the OP is, apparently, about "Asian" gangs, as have many threads before.
Can you understand that?
I have never said that skin colour makes a difference specifically. I've just used the terms used in the CEOP data. Actual data used for investigating these crimes.
It doesn't matter what form the offence takes, the rate is practically identical in both Asian and White communities (as defined by CEOP not me).
The way that the Quilliam information has been gathered is not known. It does not come from the Home Office died it?
You do not know, I do not know, universities don't know, researchers don't know how it was gathered.
It may be true, it may not be. Nobody knows.
However, this is your evidence together with the ethnicities of the men gathering the information and LBC call-in shows.
I can only right the same thing in so many words:
"The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out."
What about this is racist?
You are the only one calling out a specific minority and proclaiming that it behaves worse than the rest of society. You even claim to understand their motivation.
Yet you call me racist?
I'd say that this exchange was unbelievable, but in the context of politics today it absolutely is not
Have you forgotten about your recent "Catholic" thread? Yes, I'm sure you would like to but it does support the other poster's views! "Not if you actually read it it didn't. | |||
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"The only grooming gangs I have ever heard of have been Asian/ Pakistani ones . You will because the majority are. How much press does abuse by individuals get? It's every bit as serious isn't it? all abuse is rank no matter by who but I think been passed around by 40-60 men compared to one is a bit diffrent death penalty for all would be my choice of punishment preferably a slow death That's pretty presumptuous. There is not better or worse abuse. Why even voice that? Have you ever made an outraged post about anything other than what's been done by Asian gangs? If not, why? Because that's what's in the news? Because that what upsets you more. If so, why? As far as punishment is concerned, as much as I have the same instincts, we have to be better as a society than the death penalty or torture which is the other favourite option. There is always, always the chance of convicting the wrong person. I do understand the sentiment though." I may be a it thick but I’d of thought been abused by 40-60 lowlifes is worse than one lowlife like I said before all abuse is rank but passed about like a rag doll by dozens of sick fucks just makes my skin curl You don’t have to feel the same way or agree it’s my opinion that’s all bud | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have..
The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour.
So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that).
Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming.
Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you.
What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in.
This thread as specified by the OP is, apparently, about "Asian" gangs, as have many threads before.
Can you understand that?
I have never said that skin colour makes a difference specifically. I've just used the terms used in the CEOP data. Actual data used for investigating these crimes.
It doesn't matter what form the offence takes, the rate is practically identical in both Asian and White communities (as defined by CEOP not me).
The way that the Quilliam information has been gathered is not known. It does not come from the Home Office died it?
You do not know, I do not know, universities don't know, researchers don't know how it was gathered.
It may be true, it may not be. Nobody knows.
However, this is your evidence together with the ethnicities of the men gathering the information and LBC call-in shows.
I can only right the same thing in so many words:
"The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out."
What about this is racist?
You are the only one calling out a specific minority and proclaiming that it behaves worse than the rest of society. You even claim to understand their motivation.
Yet you call me racist?
I'd say that this exchange was unbelievable, but in the context of politics today it absolutely is not
Have you forgotten about your recent "Catholic" thread? Yes, I'm sure you would like to but it does support the other poster's views!
Not if you actually read it it didn't.
"I followed it closely and as I said to the OP if he had actually put some relavant information in it instead of deliberately setting out to offend it might have been useful to compare with the asian gang thread. But as is usual with the OP it's anti white British, so thanks for your opinion but it's wrong! | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have..
The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour.
So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that).
Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming.
Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you.
What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in.
This thread as specified by the OP is, apparently, about "Asian" gangs, as have many threads before.
Can you understand that?
I have never said that skin colour makes a difference specifically. I've just used the terms used in the CEOP data. Actual data used for investigating these crimes.
It doesn't matter what form the offence takes, the rate is practically identical in both Asian and White communities (as defined by CEOP not me).
The way that the Quilliam information has been gathered is not known. It does not come from the Home Office died it?
You do not know, I do not know, universities don't know, researchers don't know how it was gathered.
It may be true, it may not be. Nobody knows.
However, this is your evidence together with the ethnicities of the men gathering the information and LBC call-in shows.
I can only right the same thing in so many words:
"The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out."
What about this is racist?
You are the only one calling out a specific minority and proclaiming that it behaves worse than the rest of society. You even claim to understand their motivation.
Yet you call me racist?
I'd say that this exchange was unbelievable, but in the context of politics today it absolutely is not
Have you forgotten about your recent "Catholic" thread? Yes, I'm sure you would like to but it does support the other poster's views!
Not if you actually read it it didn't.
I followed it closely and as I said to the OP if he had actually put some relavant information in it instead of deliberately setting out to offend it might have been useful to compare with the asian gang thread. But as is usual with the OP it's anti white British, so thanks for your opinion but it's wrong!"You may have read it but you clearly didn't read it. | |||
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"2% of the Uks population are Muslim. 90% of grooming gang convictions are Muslim men . Facts are facts wether you like them or not . Wether you agree or not , it clearly is an issue that needs looking it !! Let's look at your "facts". The actual data is with CEOP https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest#by-ethnicity "The latest data we have on this is from the 2013 CEOP study. It reports 57 cases of Type 1 group abuse in 2012, and police provided ethnicity data on 52 of these. Half of those Type 1 cases involved all-Asian groups. 21 per cent were all-white groups, and 17 per cent were groups containing multiple ethnicities. 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. 17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population. There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse. 100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white." "That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)." “25 [police] forces identified a total of 2,120 lone perpetrators involved in either suspected or confirmed cases of non-familial contact child sexual abuse in 2012. In comparison, all 31 forces reported a cumulative total of 65 group and gang associated offences.” There are approximately 1.3 million Asian men in the UK of which 229 were convicted of acts of sexual abuse. 229 vs 1.3 million 0.016% That is a particular problem with a community is it? White attackers: 2190 Vs 16 million 0.015% Oh. You're right! The brown ones are far more of a problem .
The vast majority of the cases either hadn't come to light or at least been prosecuted in 2013 so those figures would be slightly skewed for today.
Also I googled the 2011 census according to that there's 51 million white and 1.1 million Pakistani (the vast vast majority are Pakistani).
If you recalculate with today's known cases and taking base 50% 25 million versus 600,000 you'll see that Pakistani men are actually 1250% more likely to be type 1 offenders than white men.
The other interesting statistic is of course the type 2 offenders being predominantly white, I would imagine if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity, that is unless you believe in racial superiority, I mean you don't do you?.
Interesting "maths".
There is no data for how many offenders are specifically Pakistani. You've made up a statistic made up of about three press stories.
Your percentage calculation is nonsense regardless as you are using all grooming gang members (if you know that figure) against a single ethnic group.
You then go on to try to minimise the impact of Type 2 assaults with more nonsense.
What does this even mean?
"if you controlled for the fact that white culture has been far better and doing it far longer at getting children to come forward on being abused you'd probably see no difference in type 1 between ethnicity".
This is not a statistic. It's just words.
You are trying to arrange the data to suit your opinion.
I have given you the CEOP data verbatim. Unmodified.
The incidence of abuse is similar throughout society, it just seems to take different forms dependent on background.
0.015% Vs 0.016%
The murky night time world of taxi driving is dominated by people of one particular background so they predominate. Another group has proliferated by predating on their own or in small groups.
They are both equally unpleasant yet one group is, apparently, worthy of greater scrutiny.
Why is that?.
You seem to me to be a giant racist!, your obsessed with the colour of the criminal are you not?.
Unless your of the opinion that ones colour makes you more likely to be a paedophile because that's what your insinuating.
As I said there's a good reason why the vast majority of type 1 are Pakistani and a good reason why the vast majority of type 2 are as you say "white" and that's culture not colour.
There's just as much type 2 paedophilia in Pakistani families it's just much more covered up via there culture and theres far less "white" type 1 not because there white but because the culture in the UK has been changed over a long long period.
If you off the opinion that ones colour of skin makes you more likely to be a paedophile you really need to have a long hard talk with yourself.
Ps you can look up the home office figures which are current type 1 is practically 88% Pakistani which is why I said they run about a %1200 higher rate of incidence.
I'm interested in this logic.
The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out.
The OP is about "Asian" grooming gangs. That is inherently about colour not a specific culture or background. It is a sweeping generalisation.
I therefore have no idea what point you are trying to make about me being racist because I am obsessed about skin colour. It is the press and the constant threads in this forum that do that.
Read the OP. Read the headlines.
Are you implying that the Type 2 (individual) offences of predominantly white people are not as bad in some way as the Type 1 (group) offences of Asian men because UK culture has evolved in some way?
The offence rate is identical between Asian men and white men. The crimes are equally horrible.
You do not seem to be quoting home office figures. Only the CEOP ones exist that I have quoted.
You appear to be quoting figures from the Quilliam for which there is no further information or methodology.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right
Have a long hard look at what I have actually said rather than what you think that I have..
The incidence isn't the same but can be explained by culture not skin colour.
So let me explain it in its simplest form so you can grasp the core point of my argument, there's more white type 2 because in general white British have had a far longer cultural breakdown of making victims know that reporting it is the right thing to do, that it's not their fault that their uncle, dad, brother, auntie is a nonce, this is less so in the Pakistani community where honour beatings still regularly occur and this also applies to type 1 where some parts of the Pakistani community still see it as no problem to get together in large groups (some thing we culturally shit upon decades ago in the UK) and r@pe young white girls (they are non believers and fair game or at least it's easy to tell your conscience that).
Skin colour is irrelevant but culture is all consuming.
Quilliam is run by two Pakistani Muslim men one of which has a show on LBC who himself has done many many phone ins on this topic of which dozens of Pakistani women have phoned in to tell the audience exactly what I'm telling you.
What your trying to imply is that skim colour makes some sort of difference in sex crimes and that's backwards silly racist shit that I don't believe in.
This thread as specified by the OP is, apparently, about "Asian" gangs, as have many threads before.
Can you understand that?
I have never said that skin colour makes a difference specifically. I've just used the terms used in the CEOP data. Actual data used for investigating these crimes.
It doesn't matter what form the offence takes, the rate is practically identical in both Asian and White communities (as defined by CEOP not me).
The way that the Quilliam information has been gathered is not known. It does not come from the Home Office died it?
You do not know, I do not know, universities don't know, researchers don't know how it was gathered.
It may be true, it may not be. Nobody knows.
However, this is your evidence together with the ethnicities of the men gathering the information and LBC call-in shows.
I can only right the same thing in so many words:
"The only point that I make is that whatever background or ethnicity people are from the incidence of this behaviour is the same. Small but consistent. The only difference is the manner that it is carried out."
What about this is racist?
You are the only one calling out a specific minority and proclaiming that it behaves worse than the rest of society. You even claim to understand their motivation.
Yet you call me racist?
I'd say that this exchange was unbelievable, but in the context of politics today it absolutely is not
Have you forgotten about your recent "Catholic" thread? Yes, I'm sure you would like to but it does support the other poster's views!
Not if you actually read it it didn't.
I followed it closely and as I said to the OP if he had actually put some relavant information in it instead of deliberately setting out to offend it might have been useful to compare with the asian gang thread. But as is usual with the OP it's anti white British, so thanks for your opinion but it's wrong!
You may have read it but you clearly didn't read it.
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"Wow this thread is massive skip skip then stop hahha ha I know the media plays a very big role here especially in uk and many other countries showing little about whites an many more about asains specifically Pakistani. But as me also being asain, but not in that race. Pakistanis are known for their extreme offset behaviour. Pakistanis work as a team of their own an only own this is why majority other ethnicity of any asains get classed as Pakistanis. Same goes on this fab site in asains ethnicity it's Pakistanis. No Indians bengalis, or middle Eastern "Extreme offset behaviour?? | |||
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"I think a big reason why Asian gangs get focused on more is because a lot of people see it as a government imported issue. They all know that it's a problem in white circles too, but that is something that was already here, and then another set of problems has occurred on top due to open borders, so the anger is 2 fold, one at the gangs, two at the government who allowed it to be brought here. A third problem would be that whenever anyone talks about it they are accused of simply being racist, even though there are many many Asian voices saying the same things. " Something certainly went wrong there. What those girls went through was an absolute disgrace. I think a lot of it was how the police viwed the victims. There should have been a full indepent enquiry but it's well known the police often dont face the consequences of their actions. | |||
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"It's not about the 'PC brigade' as you put it, 'going mental'. It's the fact that too many seem to have a perverse view of this as being a problem of one ethnic grouping. It happens within all communities, but there is only the outrage and outcry when it appears to happen in an Asian community. When it's the ones in Coventry, Derby, the north east etc that were white groups, it barely makes the press for more than a day or two, and nobody says there's a problem with the white community, the white community need to do more to root this out etc etc. That's why it leads some of us to suspect that there's more to some people's outrage than originally meets the eye. Wherever it is perpetrated, it needs to be stopped, but fuelling racism, division and fear does nothing to help us address these issues." Quite. Even during the same time that the Rotherham gang were being charged, the majority of charges brought in that time period were against white men. Didn't Theresa May quosh a report on these sorts if things in the upper echilons of society? | |||
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