FabSwingers.com forum: Mark field mp video

By *ab_Sparkles OP Woman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

Totally shocking...

It's not about why she was there or the reasons for this dinner party.

It's simply a fact he man handled the lady, and I will say possible it's a assault. But given the everdeince.

There is two videos on twitter a short and longer one. Showing she wasn't engaging in anyone sat down, appears a protester walking round a dinner table.

Yet even worse not one person from the dinner party tables got up to help her. As she was marched out by the back of her neck..

Two women who were trying to get the lady unsure if aids but not part of the dinner party.

Worse is some elite people are defending his actions, like it's ok to do it.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I watched the clip this morning.

The annual mansion house speech is more than a "dinner party".

The Chancellor, top mandarins and the captains of the city.

The apparent absence of security surprised me.

A demonstrator intent on causing disruption was herself disrupted by one of the guests.

I didn't see a lot in the clip for anyone to complain too much about.

On the security thing, I guess both Hunt and Johnson will be getting the full Met Police protection now they are PMs-in-waiting.

I would hope so, anyway.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

Storm in a soup plate.

A valid cause and peaceful public demonstration is a basic democratic right.

I suppose that some will see this as an assault...but we should remember that this was a closed event.....and the sex of the demonstrator was irrelevant.

No physical harm done as the demonstrator continued to make her point upon ejection rather than complain about the ejection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what Did she expect? To be welcomed with open arms ?

She is luck she was not somewhere like the USA or else she would have found herself at the wrong end of a security guard pointing a gun at her

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The short version of the video looks bad....

The long version of the video looks a million times worse!

No excuses... no what about isms... no left/right issue

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

dont see anything wrong with it she gatecrashed an event she wasnt invited to and was phycicaly removed.or is op upset about it as the protester was female? she was removed the same way a male would have been.but like someone else has said im surprissed there was no security and it was left to guests to deal with it

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

To be frank...she brrached security and was heading towards a high ranking politician, 3 years after the assassination of an MP.

It is easy to talk in retrospect and state that she was peaceful but in this day and age, unfortunately people have to be judged by the lowest and not their own standards.

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By *ab_Sparkles OP Woman
over a year ago

sparkle Surprised

Apperently Jeremy hunt is his boss, and he was contacted by the press an texted back sorry can't talk now...

I have since seen another video totally different people on the other side. And were making there point but alot of men but couldn't work out who they were as males had suit's on. And they weren't handled with such force as this lady...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The guy has apologised and referred himself to the MP standards people.

I guess MPs do not have the training in protestor removal tactics given to the police.

I imagine the outcome will be guidance to all MPs on how to handle situations like this in future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He should be arrested for assault.Hes apparently now suspended .

Hang him out to dry.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Must be more to it than meets the eye, then.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Political correctness gone mad if they had found a gun on her he would have been hailed a hero.I would have thought after jo cox everyone would be happy someone intervened.I often wonder if some of the people on here just post because someone is on the opposite side in politics, if they would feel the same way if it was one of their party or do they genuinely believe what they post.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Common sense will prevail.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

What would you do if the one uninvited person who actually approached the top table at a private function?

I would see this as a legitimate issue to protest about. However, I also agree that if you encroach on a private gathering, you must be prepared to be forcibly removed.

As an example, if someone enters your own house (a private area) under a falsehood and starts screaming at you for your right or left wing views, would you just sit and take it or attempt to remove any immediate danger or incursion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Common sense will prevail.

Let's hope so . Assaulting a women never looks good on the CV of an MP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder if responses would be the same if this was a skinhead in combats shouting about Brexit, or a Muslim in traditional dress...

Is there an uproar when a pitch inaveder gets manhandled?

My gut feel was because she was female he could possibly have managed it differently... But then I questioned myself should he? If she had a weapon her gender becomes less relevant. Are we judging reasonable force in hindsight? (I have little context here. How well know was it this was green peace...)

He's reacted first, and thought second. He seems to have not underplayed it since.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Common sense will prevail.

Let's hope so . Assaulting a women never looks good on the CV of an MP.

Nothing will happen. He will emerge from the doldrums on a bad news day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Common sense will prevail.

Let's hope so . Assaulting a women never looks good on the CV of an MP.

Nothing will happen. He will emerge from the doldrums on a bad news day. "

Quite possibly.Lets see ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's good to know some think assault on a women and joking about them not being r@pe material is about standard for some right wingers.

I can see them turning up at the next pride flag raising ceremony and give us all a good sing along.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least he only grabbed her by the neck

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The guy has apologised and referred himself to the MP standards people.

I guess MPs do not have the training in protestor removal tactics given to the police.

I imagine the outcome will be guidance to all MPs on how to handle situations like this in future.

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Yes my thinking maybe in this day and age more training but he did over do it.I guess losing his job is punishment enough but he was to heavy handed.

All security and these functions should be police trained at least maybe

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I watched it again.

You can make an argument he was overly aggressive.

If he knew this was a climate change protestor, he could have obstructed her passageway and ushered her back the way.

I think its the hand around the throat that probably gets him the yellow card.

Still, in the heat of the moment, I do not think any real harm was done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Peaceful protest could have been done outside, they invaded the venue and got thrown out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad"

You can't just say that to everything you dislike!

what the hell does this have to do with political correctness? The down side here is the excessive force used, anyone in security/protection will tell you that how he handled her was extremely wrong and if a guard did it like that they would be sacked and have their SIA stript.

If he just restrained her and moved her out, cool, but he went all ch*ke slam on her.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

its interesting to see some of the comments here.... because i went to look at some of the comments in the threads after nigel farage got dosed in milkshake...

I hate to call out some of you as "hypocrites"..... but hey... if the shoe fits!......

you know who you are........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad

You can't just say that to everything you dislike!

If he just restrained her and moved her out, cool, but he went all ch*ke slam on her.

Ah but if he had touched her on any other part of her body that would have been classed as inappropriate touching.

It was a lose lose situation and the only victim here is him because now he is suspended from his job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Society is too soft on things like this. They gatecrashed a function with a cabinet member present and she got firmly escorted and ejected from the room.

Protestors know they can pretty much do anything they want and the responses are going to be...

"please be careful, let's unglue you safely, please don’t trip up on that curb of the highway you're blocking, yes let's delay 1000's of people so you can sit chained on top of a train while we get you a safety harness" etc etc.

A legal organised protest is one thing, Aggravated trespass is a whole different ball game and they should be dealt with firmly and without the niceties.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Political correctness gone mad

You can't just say that to everything you dislike!

If he just restrained her and moved her out, cool, but he went all ch*ke slam on her.

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Of course they would but thats not his job my guess is that he instinctively took action to stop the nutter getting to the top table.Now if he was in the security game i agree it would be classed as excessive force but hes not,just a guy having dinner who quickly reacted to a situation and has now been suspended.I wonder how these lot would have got on if it had been in china or russia who are really pumping the shit into the atmosphere but they aren't going there as it will be them losing their freedom instead of some bloke losing his job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its interesting to see some of the comments here.... because i went to look at some of the comments in the threads after nigel farage got dosed in milkshake...

I hate to call out some of you as "hypocrites"..... but hey... if the shoe fits!......

you know who you are........"

Not understanding the connection but I haven’t read every comment

But a person, Nigel f or whoever is walking down a street and a random person throws a substance at him, causing alarm and upset, damaging clothes and stopping him from continuing his day of campaigning in a democratic way.

If you support or don’t his position is irrelevant.

A person walks into a private occasion, bearing in mind what has happened with Joe Cox and the milk shaking etc. Apparently ranting but this is not confirmed but any way a member of the public, who is also an mp decides to step in.

He doesn’t know if she makes woolly jumpers for a living or if she is unhinged, grabs her and keeps hear at arms length while he removes her from the room, from the reporting he is not trained or licensed as a bouncer so why would he know better then any of us how to handle an intruder?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Political correctness gone mad

You can't just say that to everything you dislike!

If he just restrained her and moved her out, cool, but he went all ch*ke slam on her.

Ah but if he had touched her on any other part of her body that would have been classed as inappropriate touching.

It was a lose lose situation and the only victim here is him because now he is suspended from his job."

He didn't have to touch her at all. He made that choice. If he was really concerned he could have just blocked her path.

She did absolutely nothing aggressive to warrant the response he made. Those talking about 'what if she had a gun' - you don't just grab people by the neck in a public place just in case they have a gun.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"from the reporting he is not trained or licensed as a bouncer so why would he know better then any of us how to handle an intruder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad

You can't just say that to everything you dislike!

If he just restrained her and moved her out, cool, but he went all ch*ke slam on her.

Ah but if he had touched her on any other part of her body that would have been classed as inappropriate touching.

It was a lose lose situation and the only victim here is him because now he is suspended from his job.

He didn't have to touch her at all. He made that choice. If he was really concerned he could have just blocked her path.

Easy to call after the fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"from the reporting he is not trained or licensed as a bouncer so why would he know better then any of us how to handle an intruder?

Let’s all sit by and let everything just happen then bleat afterwards.

Sorry I would have helped but I haven’t done the course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad

You can't just say that to everything you dislike!

If he just restrained her and moved her out, cool, but he went all ch*ke slam on her.

Ah but if he had touched her on any other part of her body that would have been classed as inappropriate touching.

It was a lose lose situation and the only victim here is him because now he is suspended from his job.

He didn't have to touch her at all. He made that choice. If he was really concerned he could have just blocked her path.

Wasn't quite a public place. Gatecrashing a private event is an aggressive move in some ways.

The gun bit is probably a reflection of where politics feels it is... We have seen a murder. We have seen aggressive behaviour. Looking wider afield Germany is going through something similar with lists of politicians on a hit list.

My point is more about changing the characters from white middle class men and women all dressed up to something slightly different and see if ones opinion changes. Is your gut reaction or reasonable force different if this is a man protesting? Why is that more acceptable if it is? If someone invaded the stage at a Corbyn rally would it change.

As _abio alludes to, we tend to have a reaction which depends on who is involved, and then decide why that's the right reaction. Outrage at throwing milkshakes. Outrage at stopping people from protesting.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"from the reporting he is not trained or licensed as a bouncer so why would he know better then any of us how to handle an intruder?

Last sentence there - spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will come a time when people will get so fed up with getting vilified for stepping in to a potential threat they will start just walking away and letting whatever happen happens

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"from the reporting he is not trained or licensed as a bouncer so why would he know better then any of us how to handle an intruder?

If he isn't trained as security then maybe he should keep his hands off people. No one was alarmed. No one asked him to intervene. He decided to grab a woman by the neck, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been brave enough to do the same to a man. "
Hope there's not to many people like you around i supposed you would have just videoed it.Do you know for sure he wouldnt have done exactly the same thing if it was a man or even a terrorist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

THE Conservative MP accused of assaulting a Greenpeace protester has apologised to fellow dinner guests for not using lethal force.

Mark Field protected fellow diners from the risk of a person who they may not have agreed with by removing her safely by the neck, but admitted he was criminally negligent for not bringing a weapon with him.

He continued: “I should never have gone to the annual Merchants and Bankers Dinner at Mansion House without being tooled up. What was I thinking?

“I’ve got a whole arsenal at home – pull the Thatcher memoir from the shelves, the wall opens up, 31 guns and 18 edged weapons, backlit – but I had to use my hands, and Parliament’s made me soft.

“What I should have done? Backwards out of the chair, tuck and roll, two warning shots into the torso, tuck and roll into cover, blindfire six rounds, tuck and roll, double-tap to the head.

“Bish bosh. Job done. Round of applause.”

When informed that he may be charged with assault, Field said: “But she’s a lefty.”

The daily mash of course.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's backfired on the protestors.. I am not even sure what she was protesting about. Bit hypocritical to complain about mysogeny when your wearing a sash like a beauty queen

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It's backfired on the protestors.. I am not even sure what she was protesting about. Bit hypocritical to complain about mysogeny when your wearing a sash like a beauty queen "

The sash is to do with the recent anniversary of the protests for votes for women, it wasn't a fashion attachment..

So a woman can't complain about an assault or misogyny if she's wearing..

Well what in your eyes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's backfired on the protestors.. I am not even sure what she was protesting about. Bit hypocritical to complain about mysogeny when your wearing a sash like a beauty queen "

I bet you think you can't be an environmental activist unless you have dreads and wear a rainbow jumper and drink from a muddy puddle.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The point is that nobody knows what she was protesting about. So its votes for women a poster said.. she is a bit late with that one. Women got to vote years ago. To most of these types it's not the cause but the protest that's important.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He did nothing wrong. A group of protesters gate crash a private event and head directly to the head table. In the spur of the moment no one knows their intentions. She could of been a Jo Brand crooney and had acid concealed about her person, no one knew. He removed her without physical harm to anyone, he did a pretty good job for someone untrained.

Simple truth, she had no right to be there.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The point is that nobody knows what she was protesting about. So its votes for women a poster said.. she is a bit late with that one. Women got to vote years ago. To most of these types it's not the cause but the protest that's important. "

You don't seem to have taken much notice about the the incident you posted about?

The writing on the sash was about climate change, the wearing of it by the women only was a symbolic gesture..

Yw..

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So it was two protests in one. This proves my point. It's confusing. It's about the protest and not the cause. Whales one week, plastic the next, I am not sure they care about the cause but love to be a protester. It's a lifestyle choice for some of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So it was two protests in one. This proves my point. It's confusing. It's about the protest and not the cause. Whales one week, plastic the next, I am not sure they care about the cause but love to be a protester. It's a lifestyle choice for some of them. "

begs another question; are Greenpeace a terrorst organisation and should it be banned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He did nothing wrong. A group of protesters gate crash a private event and head directly to the head table. In the spur of the moment no one knows their intentions. She could of been a Jo Brand crooney and had acid concealed about her person, no one knew. He removed her without physical harm to anyone, he did a pretty good job for someone untrained.

Simple truth, she had no right to be there. "

The Prime Minister disagrees with you she has seen the footage and she found it very concerning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple truth, she had no right to be there.

The Prime Minister disagrees with you she has seen the footage and she found it very concerning.

She's a woman, what does she know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple truth, she had no right to be there.

The Prime Minister disagrees with you she has seen the footage and she found it very concerning.

She's a woman, what does she know

Classy mate ...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Prime Minister should be concerned. The security was lacking and somebody could have been shot or attacked with acid. There were two such attacks in London last night. She should be concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Prime Minister should be concerned. The security was lacking and somebody could have been shot or attacked with acid. There were two such attacks in London last night. She should be concerned. "

She's a woman what does she know??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anone just reads that post and not the previous ones you'll be in trouble

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If this was the United States, we'd probably be discussing why she'd been shot dead.

Whilst I do think that the force he used was somewhat excessive, let's consider that the protester in question could have been carrying a concealed weapon of some description and could have posed a major threat to one or more of the high profile guests of this private event.

That these protesters try to go on the defensive by stating that they are from Greenpeace and conducting a peaceful protest is actually irrelevant.

Anyone could claim to be from Greenpeace before going on the rampage and secondly, their protest was far from peaceful as they were purposely interrupting speeches that were being made at the time and trying to cause as much disruption to the event as possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anone just reads that post and not the previous ones you'll be in trouble "

I've had a look in my big bag of fucks to give and I'm all out ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anone just reads that post and not the previous ones you'll be in trouble

I've had a look in my big bag of fucks to give and I'm all out ..

Have no fear bob....i've a few left from the stinky bellend protests. I couldn't give them back in april so you're welcome to them for this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did anyone even notice that her handbag was open ?

They went in there knowing that they could possibly be man handled and marched right out the door again.

I think she got off lightly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My bleeding heart liberal standpoint again. This whole episode is just fucking sad. You have MPs that are feeling hated by the public, whichever persuasion they are. You have two deaths in the last three years that they have been pretty close to, Jo Cox and an attack on parliament. The language around them stoops to "traitors". No wonder everyone is a bit twitchy. I am not excusing the force this man applied, it was horrible. I think it is a sad reflection of the state of this nation when violent attacks are both expected and pre-emptively, wrongly, acted upon.

I hope there is a way back from this heightened anxiety about each other, our politics and our fears.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

He acted out of his personal motives, revealing hos unique lack of respect for others, including women.

He's a morally bankrupt individual who probably should be on a police monitoring list.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I feel as if he was slightly heavy handed, however, she trespassed on a private function, nobody was to know if she was armed with a gun, knife, even acid or some sort of explosive. The security at the event was seriously lacking and I think people are only so disgusted because it was a woman, if he had manhandled a man in this way nobody would have batted an eyelid.

Nobody was injured, he removed what he thought was a potential threat, that's it.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I didn't realise that her bag was open. This has taken on a sinister new twist...there is more to this than we are being told...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He acted out of his personal motives, revealing hos unique lack of respect for others, including women.

He's a morally bankrupt individual who probably should be on a police monitoring list.

I know nothing about the chap apart from the footage of this incident, presumably you have some further knowledge that backs up this assertion?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"He acted out of his personal motives, revealing hos unique lack of respect for others, including women.

He's a morally bankrupt individual who probably should be on a police monitoring list.

I know nothing about the chap apart from the footage of this incident, presumably you have some further knowledge that backs up this assertion?"

He's a Conservative MP, and to many on here, that's enough to see him as evil.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"He acted out of his personal motives, revealing hos unique lack of respect for others, including women.

He's a morally bankrupt individual who probably should be on a police monitoring list.

what a load of old tosh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He acted out of his personal motives, revealing hos unique lack of respect for others, including women.

He's a morally bankrupt individual who probably should be on a police monitoring list.

I know nothing about the chap apart from the footage of this incident, presumably you have some further knowledge that backs up this assertion?

He's a Conservative MP, and to many on here, that's enough to see him as evil. "

If your own prime minister referred to the party as the "Nasty" party you've got problems mate.

I get it that you're all in denial of this.Political bias on the right is if epic proportions is standard in here from the righties.

Keep sailing up that river in Egypt folks .

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"He acted out of his personal motives, revealing hos unique lack of respect for others, including women.

He's a morally bankrupt individual who probably should be on a police monitoring list.

I know nothing about the chap apart from the footage of this incident, presumably you have some further knowledge that backs up this assertion?

He's a Conservative MP, and to many on here, that's enough to see him as evil.

If your own prime minister referred to the party as the "Nasty" party you've got problems mate.

I get it that you're all in denial of this.Political bias on the right is if epic proportions is standard in here from the righties.

Keep sailing up that river in Egypt folks .

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very nice of words taken out of context bob you should be a politician

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He acted out of his personal motives, revealing hos unique lack of respect for others, including women.

He's a morally bankrupt individual who probably should be on a police monitoring list.

I know nothing about the chap apart from the footage of this incident, presumably you have some further knowledge that backs up this assertion?

He's a Conservative MP, and to many on here, that's enough to see him as evil.

If your own prime minister referred to the party as the "Nasty" party you've got problems mate.

I get it that you're all in denial of this.Political bias on the right is if epic proportions is standard in here from the righties.

Keep sailing up that river in Egypt folks .

very nice of words taken out of context bob you should be a politician

Don't gag on that hubris fella..

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