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"Trump will not feel like he has had a proper presidency unless he has had at least one war before he goes. Hopefully not a word war!!!! He had set back diplomacy and public relations probably about 30 years since he's been in power,undone so much good and stuff promised. " Now wouldn't it be funny if he got through his presidency without having a war, what would all his critics say then!?  | |||
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"Trump will not feel like he has had a proper presidency unless he has had at least one war before he goes. Hopefully not a word war!!!! He had set back diplomacy and public relations probably about 30 years since he's been in power,undone so much good and stuff promised. Now wouldn't it be funny if he got through his presidency without having a war, what would all his critics say then!? "They would continue to harp on about how he ‘set back diplomacy’ yadda yadda. Crooked Hillary would have started a new war on her first day had she been elected. | |||
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? " Not sure if we'll be poodles and be dragged into a conflict.. Again | |||
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"Trump will not feel like he has had a proper presidency unless he has had at least one war before he goes. Hopefully not a word war!!!! He had set back diplomacy and public relations probably about 30 years since he's been in power,undone so much good and stuff promised. Now wouldn't it be funny if he got through his presidency without having a war, what would all his critics say then!?
They would continue to harp on about how he ‘set back diplomacy’ yadda yadda. Crooked Hillary would have started a new war on her first day had she been elected. "Very true | |||
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? " Correction : Not sure if we'll be poodles and be dragged into another idiotic conflict.. Again | |||
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"Interesting item not reported widely here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/world/middleeast/oil-tanker-attack-gulf-oman.html The Japanese don't think it was a mine. That's not to say that it wasn't Iran..." Japan has been pretty much sidelined in the North Korea/USA dialogue. Japan and Korea have a very unpleasant recent history. Prime Minister Abe thought he'd get in on the front foot with Iran. He was in Tehran meeting the country's leadership to discuss the nuclear treaty on the day that a Japanese tanker was attacked. The Japanese owners of the tanker say the crew reported "objects flying through the air" and hitting the ship. This is at odds with the US version of events. Meanwhile, Pompeo was in India trying to persuade India to stopping buy oil from Iran and buy its oil and LNG from the US instead. America First again - the fusion of the state and corporate interests to generate new customers for US industry. | |||
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? " Quite a lot really. The source of this current tension is:- the war in the former British colony of Aidan now know as Yemen; the instability in the former British Mandate of Iraq which borders Iran; the on going conflict in the former British Mandate of Palestine, now know as Israel; Also most of Europe's oil has to go through The Straits of Hormuz. If Iran (or anybody) blocks them we'll have major supply problems across the whole of Europe including the UK. So quite a lot to do with us both historically and currently. We can't just wish away difficult problems around the world, especially when we have been directly and legally responsible for the creation of the situations that caused them. | |||
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"Trump will not feel like he has had a proper presidency unless he has had at least one war before he goes. Hopefully not a word war!!!! He had set back diplomacy and public relations probably about 30 years since he's been in power,undone so much good and stuff promised. Now wouldn't it be funny if he got through his presidency without having a war, what would all his critics say then!?
They would continue to harp on about how he ‘set back diplomacy’ yadda yadda. Crooked Hillary would have started a new war on her first day had she been elected.
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"Trump will not feel like he has had a proper presidency unless he has had at least one war before he goes. Hopefully not a word war!!!! He had set back diplomacy and public relations probably about 30 years since he's been in power,undone so much good and stuff promised. Now wouldn't it be funny if he got through his presidency without having a war, what would all his critics say then!?
They would continue to harp on about how he ‘set back diplomacy’ yadda yadda. Crooked Hillary would have started a new war on her first day had she been elected.
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? Correction : Not sure if we'll be poodles and be dragged into another idiotic conflict.. Again " In the case of Iran a more accurate analysis historically would be that the US has been the British hammer used to crack the Persian nut. The main company that gains profits the sale of Iranian oil has been the company that was originally called "The Anglo Persian Oil Company". It's now know as British Petroleum. We are not a side actor in this conflict between the US and Iran, we are one of the major players. | |||
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? " When they attack international shipping it has a lot to do with us | |||
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"iran is a sovereign state. The USA is a sovereign state. History is just that. History. The UK occupied both in the past and both overthrew our puppet masters to rid themselves of our possession. That does not mean we have any obligations to either today. " We do,did not no you where such a little Englander.By the same token what has Europe to do with us? | |||
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? When they attack international shipping it has a lot to do with us" What exactly? The Japanese PM was in Tehran on the day a Japanse ship was attacked. I'd say that falls into the in-tray of the Japanese PM. | |||
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"i see corbyn does,nt believe British intelligence again just like he did,nt in salisbury how could this man ever think he is a credible PM? " He didn't disbelieve it, he said get your facts right before you start a war. Japanese sailors described flying objects, whereas the Americans say limpet mines. I see hunt wasted no time sucking upto the Americans.. The f*ing poodle! | |||
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"i see corbyn does,nt believe British intelligence again just like he did,nt in salisbury how could this man ever think he is a credible PM? He didn't disbelieve it, he said get your facts right before you start a war. Japanese sailors described flying objects, whereas the Americans say limpet mines. I see hunt wasted no time sucking upto the Americans.. The f*ing poodle! " . With regard to Salisbury , Corbyn asked in Parliament if our security services had proof , and quite right to do so as it is the same security services that told us that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq | |||
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"i see corbyn does,nt believe British intelligence again just like he did,nt in salisbury how could this man ever think he is a credible PM? " What has British intelligence said? | |||
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"i see corbyn does,nt believe British intelligence again just like he did,nt in salisbury how could this man ever think he is a credible PM? What has British intelligence said?" Not seen any comments so far. | |||
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"i see corbyn does,nt believe British intelligence again just like he did,nt in salisbury how could this man ever think he is a credible PM? What has British intelligence said?" more to the point....what did comrade corbynski say about salisbury??  | |||
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"i see corbyn does,nt believe British intelligence again just like he did,nt in salisbury how could this man ever think he is a credible PM? What has British intelligence said? more to the point....what did comrade corbynski say about salisbury?? "Same thing really. Get substanciated evidence rather than rushing to conclusions , especially if your going to launch a major war  | |||
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? " Er, the European migration crisis will get a lot worse. | |||
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"i see corbyn does,nt believe British intelligence again just like he did,nt in salisbury how could this man ever think he is a credible PM? What has British intelligence said? more to the point....what did comrade corbynski say about salisbury?? ". Corbyn didn't say anything about Salisbury , Corbyn asked questions !!!!! In the same way I hope that a Tory leader would if they were in opposition , I suspect that in events leading upto the Iraq war it was the LibDems asking questions of HM Government (Labour) and not HM Oppostion (Conservative) , although a few Labour MPs were also prepared to ask questions of their own party ( eg Cook & Corbyn ) | |||
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"Trump will not feel like he has had a proper presidency unless he has had at least one war before he goes. Hopefully not a word war!!!! He had set back diplomacy and public relations probably about 30 years since he's been in power,undone so much good and stuff promised. " how many wars has Trump had , none !only likely to have a word war ! | |||
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? Er, the European migration crisis will get a lot worse." 81 million people live in Iran. Best not make them scatter. | |||
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"The Romans occupied these islands, but I do not here any of them say that entitles them to meddle in what happens today. " They do through the EU lol. Anyway Romans do not exist anymore they are now part of the Italian race,Italians are not Romans just as we are not Vikings etc | |||
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"The Romans occupied these islands, but I do not here any of them say that entitles them to meddle in what happens today. They do through the EU lol. Anyway Romans do not exist anymore they are now part of the Italian race,Italians are not Romans just as we are not Vikings etc" | |||
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"The Romans occupied these islands, but I do not here any of them say that entitles them to meddle in what happens today. They do through the EU lol. Anyway Romans do not exist anymore they are now part of the Italian race,Italians are not Romans just as we are not Vikings etc" I forgot about the Vikings. The Roman's evacuated 300AD. The Vikings ruled most of the roost from Dublin circa 700 onwards. Captured the fertile English lands and came to an accommodation with five tribes in the south. Left a rich cultural legacy. Scandinavians today don't meddle in these islands - they long since gave up such delusions. | |||
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"The Romans occupied these islands, but I do not here any of them say that entitles them to meddle in what happens today. They do through the EU lol. Anyway Romans do not exist anymore they are now part of the Italian race,Italians are not Romans just as we are not Vikings etc" Is your DNA exclusive to the Wirral? I obviously do not know for sure. But I imagine your DNA comes from every invader in history who r@ped your ancestors. | |||
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"The Romans occupied these islands, but I do not here any of them say that entitles them to meddle in what happens today. They do through the EU lol. Anyway Romans do not exist anymore they are now part of the Italian race,Italians are not Romans just as we are not Vikings etc" Bastard! Butvive got a rubber sword and hat with horns on  | |||
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"What do we think of the latest pictures released today? "It's all true!! Never question the intelligence services of the good old US of A!! We need to strike now because these Iranian maniacs are close to developing wmd's. A good nuke strike will fix it no probs. I just hope it doesn't hinder the Saudi carpet bombing of Yemen(using US and UK weapons) too much because those Yemeni need taught a lesson too....bloody middle east! Who needs 'em?  | |||
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"What do we think of the latest pictures released today?
It's all true!! Never question the intelligence services of the good old US of A!! We need to strike now because these Iranian maniacs are close to developing wmd's. A good nuke strike will fix it no probs. I just hope it doesn't hinder the Saudi carpet bombing of Yemen(using US and UK weapons) too much because those Yemeni need taught a lesson too....bloody middle east! Who needs 'em? "Anyone seen 2018 film The Vice  | |||
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"What do we think of the latest pictures released today? "Grainy, poor quality footage showing nothing. Later released video in colour, again nothing to see. Still picture of what the Americans say is remnants of limpet mine. Given the illegal Iraq war was based on a mass of fabricated bollocks from a war mongering country I'll treat any "evidence" with suspicion | |||
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"Did seem a bit weird, the guys sent to remove the mines, wearing hi viz buoyancy aids. There's a time and a place for health and safety.... that's not it. " It's hardly the stealth one would expect from special forces.. | |||
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"Iran has two parallel power structures. The elected government and the theocracy. They are not always in agreement and can end up with differing policies. The Revolutionary Guard sits somewhere in-between and does its own thing. It's perfectly possible that it was both an attack carried out by Iran and not carried out by Iran. It's possible that it wasn't Iran at all. It's possible that it was Iran and there is evidence. I agree the images and reports from Japan make this seem suspect. It is possible that it was Iran but the evidence was fabricated. However, the conclusion of the USA pulling out of the nuclear agreement is some sort of a crisis. Yay ". Those power structures actually exist in every country including our own, you don't think there's civil servants with they're own agenda? Or parts of military intelligence that do their own thing?. In the West it's just harder to get away with or at least it used to be when we actually had journalism. They'll be no war with Iran anyway, the one good thing about trumps base is they absolutely don't like foreign wars unlike the democrats and the US establishment | |||
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"seems hes not the war monger people think.Trump called off an airstrike on iran yesterday in retaliation for a us drone getting shot down." he might not be... the people around him are (boulton, pompeo) i wonder if this will get the message thru to iran so stop messing around... mind you... you always see them attacking tonight | |||
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"seems hes not the war monger people think.Trump called off an airstrike on iran yesterday in retaliation for a us drone getting shot down." an unmanned spy drone, and yes he tweeted about how many could die in their retaliation of the destroyed drone. Oh and he said they were thinking about "3 sights" to strike,but decided it was not proportionate to do so,10 mins before preparing to so. note the 3 'sights'... He would have cost lives and millions of dollars,but took the time to think about it 10 minutes before spending lots of money and more importantly killing people. he is a fucking idiot. | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little " America provoking Iran ?????? WTF ??? | |||
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"Im both interested and appalled that a British warship with marines on board are joining in this ridiculous dangerous American farce " The last i heard it was 20 marines were going over and this was arranged well before the recent escalation. | |||
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"I think Britain has just opened a Navy base in Bahrain, so it has "boots on the ground" so to speak. i do hope UK does not get involved at all. Fair enough to escort ships for their protection. But it would make me livid if UK weighed in on the US militarily. " Uk shouldn't get involved but to be fair you would still be livid about one thing or another! | |||
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"Im both interested and appalled that a British warship with marines on board are joining in this ridiculous dangerous American farce The last i heard it was 20 marines were going over and this was arranged well before the recent escalation." Some good news. It's America's shit so they should own it! | |||
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"The Romans occupied these islands, but I do not here any of them say that entitles them to meddle in what happens today. They do through the EU lol. Anyway Romans do not exist anymore they are now part of the Italian race,Italians are not Romans just as we are not Vikings etc Is your DNA exclusive to the Wirral? I obviously do not know for sure. But I imagine your DNA comes from every invader in history who r@ped your ancestors." My family arrived in this country as refugees early in the last century from Eastern Europe in lands never occupied by the Romans or the Vikings although possibly the Vikings might be a slight connection,difficult to know. I am proud of my ancestry but it has no relevance as I am now British just as many people who came to this country to live and prosper and had children here,those children are now British as I am whatever race,colour or religion they may be.Yes proud to be from the Wirral from Merseyside. | |||
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"The UK, Germany, France, the EU, China and Russia all want to keep the nuclear deal intact. The EU has set up a financial exchange with Iran that allows trade to be conducted in currency other than the $ to avoid US sanctions and so adhere to its side of the bargain. Israel is now taking the EU to court for circumventing US sanctions. Israel, trying to impose US policy on the UK and the rest of the EU. " Careful you'll be accused of anti Semitism .From the alt right in the forum... | |||
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"The UK, Germany, France, the EU, China and Russia all want to keep the nuclear deal intact. The EU has set up a financial exchange with Iran that allows trade to be conducted in currency other than the $ to avoid US sanctions and so adhere to its side of the bargain. Israel is now taking the EU to court for circumventing US sanctions. Israel, trying to impose US policy on the UK and the rest of the EU. " What's your source on this? I can only find a lawsuit being brought by some private Israeli individuals? | |||
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"Israel also raising legal action in Gibraltar to seize the Iranian tanker and use the proceeds of the sale to compensate victims of Hezbollah. There seems little doubt Israel is emboldened by Trump, for whom the only special relationship is that with Israel." I ask again. Are you sure this is Israel and not some private group? | |||
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"Israel also raising legal action in Gibraltar to seize the Iranian tanker and use the proceeds of the sale to compensate victims of Hezbollah. There seems little doubt Israel is emboldened by Trump, for whom the only special relationship is that with Israel." Your asking for trouble we aren't allowed to be critical of Israel . We are only allowed to be critical of blacks and Muslims. Especially black Muslims... | |||
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"The UK, Germany, France, the EU, China and Russia all want to keep the nuclear deal intact. The EU has set up a financial exchange with Iran that allows trade to be conducted in currency other than the $ to avoid US sanctions and so adhere to its side of the bargain. Israel is now taking the EU to court for circumventing US sanctions. Israel, trying to impose US policy on the UK and the rest of the EU. What's your source on this? I can only find a lawsuit being brought by some private Israeli individuals? " A press release issued by Shurat HaDin, aka the Israel law centre, yesterday. "Israeli lawsuit targets European efforts to bypass sanctions on Iran" The case is being raised in France and seeks to confiscate any Iranian funds passing through INSTEX and use them to compensate the families of terror victims, based on US court rulings awarding compensation against the Governments of Syria and Iran. The press release makes clear in the opening paragraph the intention is to hobble trade between Iran and the EU and so prevent US sanctions being by-passed. | |||
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"The UK, Germany, France, the EU, China and Russia all want to keep the nuclear deal intact. The EU has set up a financial exchange with Iran that allows trade to be conducted in currency other than the $ to avoid US sanctions and so adhere to its side of the bargain. Israel is now taking the EU to court for circumventing US sanctions. Israel, trying to impose US policy on the UK and the rest of the EU. What's your source on this? I can only find a lawsuit being brought by some private Israeli individuals? A press release issued by Shurat HaDin, aka the Israel law centre, yesterday. "Israeli lawsuit targets European efforts to bypass sanctions on Iran" The case is being raised in France and seeks to confiscate any Iranian funds passing through INSTEX and use them to compensate the families of terror victims, based on US court rulings awarding compensation against the Governments of Syria and Iran. The press release makes clear in the opening paragraph the intention is to hobble trade between Iran and the EU and so prevent US sanctions being by-passed." Yes, I saw all that last night but this is an NGO bringing the action and not the state of Israel as you imply. | |||
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"The legal action is consistent with the wider policy of Israel, which is to destroy the joint agreement, INSTEX and isolate Iran. Did you see Benjamin Netanyahu's Twitter video yesterday? "It seems there are those in Europe who will not wake up until Iranian nuclear missiles land on European soil. By then it will be too late." So there we have it - the Iranians want to annihilate Europe with nuclear bombs. Complete bollocks, but it probably plays well to the extremists at home. "  Netanyahu isn't someone I'd trust at all.
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"The legal action is consistent with the wider policy of Israel, which is to destroy the joint agreement, INSTEX and isolate Iran. Did you see Benjamin Netanyahu's Twitter video yesterday? "It seems there are those in Europe who will not wake up until Iranian nuclear missiles land on European soil. By then it will be too late." So there we have it - the Iranians want to annihilate Europe with nuclear bombs. Complete bollocks, but it probably plays well to the extremists at home. Netanyahu isn't someone I'd trust at all.
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"The UK registered tanker Stena Impero has changed course, left international sealanes and is heading for Iran. The conclusion is that it has been boarded by the IRG. COBRA is meeting now. " So where are the jets that should have been deployed as soon as contact was lost ? The British government has no balls | |||
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" So where are the jets that should have been deployed as soon as contact was lost ? The British government has no balls " short of british warships escorting every british oil tanker, there isn't a great deal they can do.... the moment the ship stopped pinging its location the ship was in trouble.... | |||
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"And the governments of the western world can now breathe a sigh of relieve, after years of relentless work trying to force a war in Iran after “press” reports “confirm” the “taking” of “oil tankers” .... too much “” ? "If anything is "started" then it needs to be ruthlessly finished in the most brutal and fast way possible so we can all get back to Boris and his magic Brexit debacle | |||
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"it may not be just one ship... people on twitter are looking at ship traffic and they reckon another one may have taken as well....." The Liberian registered MV Medsar is reported to be the other vessel. | |||
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"And the governments of the western world can now breathe a sigh of relieve, after years of relentless work trying to force a war in Iran after “press” reports “confirm” the “taking” of “oil tankers” .... too much “” ?
If anything is "started" then it needs to be ruthlessly finished in the most brutal and fast way possible so we can all get back to Boris and his magic Brexit debacle "Ah yes, just like the French fishing boats, I’d say the Iranians are trembling hahaha | |||
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"If there is no swift action they will just keep holding the west to ransom for evermore! But as usual the government will tiptoe around on eggshells trying not to upset the Iranians or indeed anyone else in that part of the world. They are laughing at the UK " Hahaha ease of watching so much BBC bro haha | |||
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"All the more reasons to accelerate the alternative energy’s so we can fuck all of these countries off with their oil. Iran has and always will be a pain in everyone’s ass along with the Saudis " Your government doesnt mind sending weapons to them though. | |||
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"All the more reasons to accelerate the alternative energy’s so we can fuck all of these countries off with their oil. Iran has and always will be a pain in everyone’s ass along with the Saudis " Yeah Iran is such a pain in the arse they haven't invaded another sovereign nation in over 300 years... Unlike our good friends the US of A who have invaded over 50 sovereign nations since 1945 You'd probably find that the USA has financially supported more terrorist/guerrilla warfare groups than Iran as well before you claim that's a good enough reason to try and flatten Iran...
If the UK hadn't detained the MV Grace 1 in Gibraltar then we wouldn't be seeing British vessels being taken in the Persian Gulf... It's time we stop meddling in the affairs of other countries, particularly in the Middle East. | |||
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"All the more reasons to accelerate the alternative energy’s so we can fuck all of these countries off with their oil. Iran has and always will be a pain in everyone’s ass along with the Saudis Yeah Iran is such a pain in the arse they haven't invaded another sovereign nation in over 300 years... Unlike our good friends the US of A who have invaded over 50 sovereign nations since 1945 You'd probably find that the USA has financially supported more terrorist/guerrilla warfare groups than Iran as well before you claim that's a good enough reason to try and flatten Iran...
If the UK hadn't detained the MV Grace 1 in Gibraltar then we wouldn't be seeing British vessels being taken in the Persian Gulf... It's time we stop meddling in the affairs of other countries, particularly in the Middle East."
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"If there is no swift action they will just keep holding the west to ransom for evermore! But as usual the government will tiptoe around on eggshells trying not to upset the Iranians or indeed anyone else in that part of the world. They are laughing at the UK " Far from laughing they're fed up of other governments reneging on deals, including the uk and Europe on the tepex deal | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little " Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail. | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail." Bit of a sore point for me personally. , in the past lost friends and some with life changing injuries due to wars i went to and fully disagree with now. Iraq, Afghanistan and many other pointless needless wars due to American bollocks | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail." We did it for the Americans. Do you really not know that? | |||
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"Im really pleased Turkey has bought the s400 system and pissed off America, i hope turkey sticks 2 fingers up to them and buy Russian fighters now "You like world war then?Grow up get real it is not a game | |||
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"Im really pleased Turkey has bought the s400 system and pissed off America, i hope turkey sticks 2 fingers up to them and buy Russian fighters now You like world war then?Grow up get real it is not a game"How about you read something first before your retorts, your stupidity is remarkable. America caused this shit, and if more countries stood uoto american sanctions the chance of war will be diminished | |||
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"Im really pleased Turkey has bought the s400 system and pissed off America, i hope turkey sticks 2 fingers up to them and buy Russian fighters now You like world war then?Grow up get real it is not a game
How about you read something first before your retorts, your stupidity is remarkable. America caused this shit, and if more countries stood uoto american sanctions the chance of war will be diminished "Turkey may fall out of NATO as a consequence of all of this. Another Putin win. Turkey may also tip into recession and potential chaos just on the basis of Erdogan being a dictatorial dick. This loses the country billions in F35 contracts too. I may disapprove of Trump and current US foreign "policy" bit I'm not applauding Turkey either. | |||
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"Im really pleased Turkey has bought the s400 system and pissed off America, i hope turkey sticks 2 fingers up to them and buy Russian fighters now You like world war then?Grow up get real it is not a game
How about you read something first before your retorts, your stupidity is remarkable. America caused this shit, and if more countries stood uoto american sanctions the chance of war will be diminished
Turkey may fall out of NATO as a consequence of all of this.
Another Putin win.
Turkey may also tip into recession and potential chaos just on the basis of Erdogan being a dictatorial dick. This loses the country billions in F35 contracts too.
I may disapprove of Trump and current US foreign "policy" bit I'm not applauding Turkey either."Sound like a Trump fanboy to me | |||
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"Im really pleased Turkey has bought the s400 system and pissed off America, i hope turkey sticks 2 fingers up to them and buy Russian fighters now You like world war then?Grow up get real it is not a game
How about you read something first before your retorts, your stupidity is remarkable. America caused this shit, and if more countries stood uoto american sanctions the chance of war will be diminished
Turkey may fall out of NATO as a consequence of all of this.
Another Putin win.
Turkey may also tip into recession and potential chaos just on the basis of Erdogan being a dictatorial dick. This loses the country billions in F35 contracts too.
I may disapprove of Trump and current US foreign "policy" bit I'm not applauding Turkey either.
Sound like a Trump fanboy to me "Oh sweetie. Holding a grudge? How grown-up of you  | |||
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"Im really pleased Turkey has bought the s400 system and pissed off America, i hope turkey sticks 2 fingers up to them and buy Russian fighters now You like world war then?Grow up get real it is not a game
How about you read something first before your retorts, your stupidity is remarkable. America caused this shit, and if more countries stood uoto american sanctions the chance of war will be diminished
Turkey may fall out of NATO as a consequence of all of this.
Another Putin win.
Turkey may also tip into recession and potential chaos just on the basis of Erdogan being a dictatorial dick. This loses the country billions in F35 contracts too.
I may disapprove of Trump and current US foreign "policy" bit I'm not applauding Turkey either.
Sound like a Trump fanboy to me
Oh sweetie. Holding a grudge? How grown-up of you "Aww I knew you would bite lol Typical Trump fanboy, you make me sick he’s the devil please stop wanking over him and why do you say you hate lgbtq ? | |||
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"The USA is 4,200 miles away. Iran is 4,000 miles away. What's it got to do with us? Not sure if we'll be poodles and be dragged into a conflict.. Again " Has the UK done just that? | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail." Why didn't the Spanish act upon the intelligence supplied to them by the USA? The EU have sanctions in place which forbids the export of oil to Syria. The Spanish navy have the means to act but decided not to uphold the sanctions. It was left to the UK to act as soon as the tanker was in Gibraltar waters. The UK have stated over and over again that the tanker is free to go once assurances have been received from Iran that the oil is not destined for Syria. So far, no assurances have been received. | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail. Why didn't the Spanish act upon the intelligence supplied to them by the USA? The EU have sanctions in place which forbids the export of oil to Syria. The Spanish navy have the means to act but decided not to uphold the sanctions. It was left to the UK to act as soon as the tanker was in Gibraltar waters. The UK have stated over and over again that the tanker is free to go once assurances have been received from Iran that the oil is not destined for Syria. So far, no assurances have been received. " That's realpolitik. Where the choices are difficult and wrong whichever way you go. Europe (including the UK), still support the nuclear agreement with Iran which the USA has reneged on unilaterally and forced sanctions on European countries. That has forced the crisis in the Gulf. The EU are trying to not leave Iran isolated because historically if you leave any group with nothing to lose the consequences are usually bad. I guess the EU calculation was was to balance one crap outcome against another and were going to look the other way. I have seen the headlines of the offer but with the USA holding sanctions over any company or country trading with Iran their options are limited. They desperately need the money though. The UK has decided to tow the US line on this and hey presto, a wholly predictable crisis in the Gulf targeting Usk shipping. The only country to benefit is the USA. | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail. Why didn't the Spanish act upon the intelligence supplied to them by the USA? The EU have sanctions in place which forbids the export of oil to Syria. The Spanish navy have the means to act but decided not to uphold the sanctions. It was left to the UK to act as soon as the tanker was in Gibraltar waters. The UK have stated over and over again that the tanker is free to go once assurances have been received from Iran that the oil is not destined for Syria. So far, no assurances have been received. " These are EU sanctions, not UN one's. Iran isn't in the eu so isn't exporting from the eu. | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail. Why didn't the Spanish act upon the intelligence supplied to them by the USA? The EU have sanctions in place which forbids the export of oil to Syria. The Spanish navy have the means to act but decided not to uphold the sanctions. It was left to the UK to act as soon as the tanker was in Gibraltar waters. The UK have stated over and over again that the tanker is free to go once assurances have been received from Iran that the oil is not destined for Syria. So far, no assurances have been received. " I was just looking at the sanctions application. Yawn I know, but prefer to look at the actual information. The seizure was based on the Banyas refinery being European owned. As far as I can tell it is Syrian state owned but some assets there may be European. Not really sure. I think you could choose to interpret it either way. We made a choice that Spain didn't choose. I would suggest that the reasoning had more to do with relations with the USA than anything to do with Syria | |||
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"It has to be hoped that Boris as PM has the moral courage as Wilson did in the 1960s to distance himself and us from the upcoming catastrophe. To blindly follow the USA in the hope it buys us trade brownie points is not the leadership we need." But I think unfortunately that is how things will go especially if we no deal on Brexit. | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail. Why didn't the Spanish act upon the intelligence supplied to them by the USA? The EU have sanctions in place which forbids the export of oil to Syria. The Spanish navy have the means to act but decided not to uphold the sanctions. It was left to the UK to act as soon as the tanker was in Gibraltar waters. The UK have stated over and over again that the tanker is free to go once assurances have been received from Iran that the oil is not destined for Syria. So far, no assurances have been received. " Spain dont like to get involved in any conflict they pulled their troops out of iraq days after the Madrid train bombings,make of that what you will.Some will say its giving in to terrorists others it was sensible. | |||
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"We havent the armed forces to fight a war and why should they only to get taken to court years later accused of doing what they're payed to do " | |||
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"We havent the armed forces to fight a war and why should they only to get taken to court years later accused of doing what they're payed to do " Too true. | |||
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"We havent the armed forces to fight a war and why should they only to get taken to court years later accused of doing what they're payed to do Too true. "And get killed/maimed for life because of trumps idiotic foreign policy on Iran | |||
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"We havent the armed forces to fight a war and why should they only to get taken to court years later accused of doing what they're payed to do " Last time I looked they weren't paid to shoot unarmed people or abuse prisoners. | |||
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"We havent the armed forces to fight a war and why should they only to get taken to court years later accused of doing what they're payed to do " They are paid to fight, not to conduct field executions, murder civilians or abuse prisoners. None off that is acceptable even in wartime. Should the penalties be different due to the circumstances? Quite possibly. That's why there are Courts Martial. Before the gibberish starts, yes of course they do something that I doubt that I am capable of and no I have no idea how I would act in those circumstances. They need the best equipment and support after operations. It doesn't make them blameless if they deliberately target the innocent though. | |||
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"Is America seriously trying to provoke Iran into a war? Withdrawing from the nuclear treaty Slapping on sanctions and threatening other countries thst trade with them Then sending a carrier fleet and bombers Im not saying Iran is squeaky clean, but when the West support a countries like Saudi Arabia it smacks of hypocrisy a little Uk impounded their ship because it was breaking EU rules since we are leaving the EU give it back as long as they give our ship back. Honestly smells of Mrs Mays last shit doing anything she can to prevent the UK leaving the EU. Willing to see our solders die to waste time and have brexit fail. Why didn't the Spanish act upon the intelligence supplied to them by the USA? The EU have sanctions in place which forbids the export of oil to Syria. The Spanish navy have the means to act but decided not to uphold the sanctions. It was left to the UK to act as soon as the tanker was in Gibraltar waters. The UK have stated over and over again that the tanker is free to go once assurances have been received from Iran that the oil is not destined for Syria. So far, no assurances have been received. I was just looking at the sanctions application. Yawn I know, but prefer to look at the actual information. The seizure was based on the Banyas refinery being European owned. As far as I can tell it is Syrian state owned but some assets there may be European. Not really sure. I think you could choose to interpret it either way. We made a choice that Spain didn't choose. I would suggest that the reasoning had more to do with relations with the USA than anything to do with Syria "Prefer to look at the actual information lol that’s amazing lol, bet you didn’t keep a straight face typing that In tears here lol | |||
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"Yes, there is a deliberate and concerted attempt to invade Iran, who remain one of the few truly independent nations, and bring them into the World fold by force. The Warmonger John Bolton, alongside being busy trying to invade Venezuela and among other tings get his grubby mitts on their oil reserves, is rushing ahead full steam to ignite conflict. Funny how when it's the Western world doing the illegal and hostile invading, it's ok! How does that work? After Iran is done, that should pretty much be it for the Middle East. All other nations in that area are now onboard with the global agenda I think. Next it will be onto Asia. Starting with Malaysia! Look out for the main media outlets waving their arms declaring Malaysia is bombing/poisoning their own people, attacking British tankers, hiding weapons of mass destruction and all the rest of it, not forgetting being backed by Putin or whoever we are told the enemy is at the time. All this coming our way soon! Same old same old every single time." Ha ha ha ha hilarious . Yeah cos the Iranian regime are such a decent, honest , peaceful , law abiding lot arent they lol lol lol lol | |||
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"We don't have the troops anymore For a ground war " correct we do not have an Army anymore we have a Defence force of less than 80k strength . | |||
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"We don't have the troops anymore For a ground war correct we do not have an Army anymore we have a Defence force of less than 80k strength ." And half of them are waiting to appear in court... | |||
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"Yes, there is a deliberate and concerted attempt to invade Iran, who remain one of the few truly independent nations, and bring them into the World fold by force etc... Ha ha ha ha hilarious . Yeah cos the Iranian regime are such a decent, honest , peaceful , law abiding lot arent they lol lol lol lol" Ha ha ha ha hilarious . Yeah cos the Western regime are such a decent, honest , peaceful , law abiding lot arent they lol lol lol lol I hope you don't fall for the shit on the news so easily when it's Malasyia's turn. They're on the list for hostile takeover at some point too. They may be the very next one after Iran. They've been in the bad books ever since holding a trial for America for war crimes against Iraq. Before this happens, expect to see a swathe of 'incidents' being reported on the news as Malaysia, with the usual talking heads and MPs being wheeled out urging that action must be taken, as they've been told to say. When Colin Powell told the UN we must go to war with (invade) Iraq, he sat in the televised meeting and held up a little test tube. Do you believe the test tube contained something old Saddam was going to use against us? What would have happened if he had dropped the test tube in front of the UN? It was a prop. It worked a treat though, because it just sent that message that here was 'proof' of Saddam's big bad weapons. Now that's hilarious. | |||
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