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"McVey for me, based on pure astestics, not her as a politician. "Good point, she is a real MILF! | |||
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"Good evening. Who is your favourite for the position from the below names; Boris Gove Hancock Harper Hunt Javid Leadsom McVey Raab Stewart Please discuss... Khan." Depends on Which one will allow planning permission for a local sex club? | |||
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"Good evening. Who is your favourite for the position from the below names; Boris Gove Hancock Harper Hunt Javid Leadsom McVey Raab Stewart Please discuss... Khan." I like Rory Stewart so far. | |||
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" I suppose in some way there is a kind of ironic justice in the most incompetent politician becoming PM after the most incompetent PM has just been forced out. Because there has been no effective opposition, the Conservative Party is being allowed to self destruct whilst in Government and in front of our very eyes. " The succession of a most incompetent pm by another one and the Tory self-destruction has very little to do with the opposition. The tories are well able to do that all on their own. Whoever becomes the new pm he/she is not elected by the people. Only a GE would open up the dynamic. However the Tories try to keep that box closed as long as they can. | |||
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"They are Tories. Not one of them is decent. " Just because you are not a supporter of the party that is a very silly and short sighted vision.They are a mixture like all society,because they do not share your ideas does not make them all bad. | |||
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"They are Tories. Not one of them is decent. " that could be said of most of the current crop of numpties currently in parliament on all sides. Don't just have a go at the tories. They are all pretty much useless | |||
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"Cameron---May---Johnson---Davros " Ever notice how much Davros looks like Rupert Murdoch? | |||
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"I'm astonished that anyone thinks it will make the blindest bit of difference. With Leavers both split and in the minority within the party by a large margin, changing the leader will make little difference." Little difference to what though? The Conservatives are priming themselves to self-destruct. The leader they choose will either accelerate or delay the matter. Have you been reading what the European Press have been saying about this farce? Most are in utter disbelief that so many so-called "serious" politicians can be so detached from reality about the EU question. We are a laughing stock of a country right now and having been led by donkeys to this point, it appears that Assess are about to take over. | |||
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"Catch-22 will be showing on Ch 4 for six weeks from June 20. How apt." Yes x | |||
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" Little difference to what though? " Little difference to getting us out of the EU. It's kind of a blind spot the Tories have always had, that the "right" leader will make all their problems and internal divisions evaporate. But their problem isn't the leader - it's the party. The've set themselves up into the situation where, despite being the party which has done more to shape Britains relationship with the EU than any other party in this country - and furthermore has been instrumental in creating a number of core EU institutions (the Single market) and processes (like Free Movement) - they have allowed a tiny minority who do not share their vision of Britain in Europe, to effectively run the dictate the party's direction against the majority's wishes. You're right - they're fucked | |||
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"I'm astonished that anyone thinks it will make the blindest bit of difference. With Leavers both split and in the minority within the party by a large margin, changing the leader will make little difference." I think that just about sums it up. Good analysis. | |||
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"Now that the question of a no deal BREXIT is back on the table, we can enter into fresh negotiations with a little more confidence. The EU don’t want us to walk away like that. It would cost them billions and sweep the paths for other nations to leave their ghastly union." Perhaps - however this doesn't come close to describing what it is that we actually want. last time round the EU gave us everything we asked for that it was in their power to legally grant - they even caved on the issue with Britain's land border with the EU by granting us the backstop agreement we asked for. And yet we STILL couldn't get they through parliament. The EU wasn't the problem - parliament was - specifically the majority of the parliamentary conservsative party - and they're still there. | |||
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"Now that the question of a no deal BREXIT is back on the table, we can enter into fresh negotiations with a little more confidence. The EU don’t want us to walk away like that. It would cost them billions and sweep the paths for other nations to leave their ghastly union." Pure fantasy. a) there are no new negotiations. b) no deal Brexit will hurt Europe, but it will hurt us more because we're one country and they are many. So weird that Brexiteers continually fail to understand that it's not a 1 vs 1 situation. And nothing will shore up support for the EU more in other countries than Britain crashing and burning on exit. | |||
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" The EU don’t want us to walk away like that. It would cost them billions " How many billions do you think that would cost us if that happened? | |||
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"The EU negotiating team has been disbanded. Following the European elections, the process now begins to appoint a new president of the council, a new president of the commission, 26 commissioners and various other top positions. Incumbent President of the European Council Donald Tusk has stated that “my intention is for the Council to nominate the new EU leadership in June”. This would mean the Council electing its own new President and a new ECB chief, as well as proposing candidates for Commission President and High Representative, at its meeting on 20–21 June. However, should the appointments prove divisive, some of these choices could potentially be pushed back to a later date. A candidate for President of the European Commission can be elected no earlier than 16–18 July, when the new European Parliament will hold it second sitting. At its first sitting, on 2–4 July, the Parliament will elect its own President. Once elected, the new Commission President will assign portfolios to the each of the 26 other Commissioners appointed by member-state governments, whose parliamentary hearings will take place in September. The European Parliament is due to vote on whether or not to confirm the new Commission during its session of 22–24 October. The new Commission, along with the new ECB President, are due to take office on 1 November, and the new Council President is due to take office on 1 December. If you think the EU is going to be in any position to negotiate a new legal agreement between the appointment of a new PM at the end of July, and the October 31 exit date, just read the above again. " Oh well... no deal it is then
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" The EU don’t want us to walk away like that. It would cost them billions How many billions do you think that would cost us if that happened? " That is not the point, they won’t want to lose money, even if it does mean we lose more. They now have to contemplate that eventuality, without no deal on the table, they didn’t. | |||
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" That is not the point, they won’t want to lose money, even if it does mean we lose more. They now have to contemplate that eventuality, without no deal on the table, they didn’t." so what exactly is it that you think the EU will want to offer us - and more the the point what is it that we want from them - that they haven't already offered us? | |||
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"A leaked cable from the outgoing British High Commissioner to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: "Like posts across the network and departments in the U.K., we’re performing minor miracles for U.K. interests faced with the utter political shambles of Brexit. "Singaporean ministers are mystified as to how our political leaders allowed things to get to this pass." Scott Wightman said Cabinet ministers had asked him in farewell calls how “the claims of candidates to succeed as leader of the Conservative Party are to be squared with the parliamentary arithmetic and established EU positions.” Wightman also likened the damage to Britain's reputation in the last three years to the battle known as the Fall of Singapore in 1942. He said the battle showed the "complacency and arrogance of colonial leadership." "It transformed their view of British imperialism," he added. "Things were never the same again. The last three years have done the same for Singaporeans’ view of contemporary Britain. "The nation they admired for stability, common sense, tolerance and realism grounded in fact, they see beset by division, obsessed with ideology, careless of the truth, its leaders apparently determined to keep on digging. "I fear many around the world share their view. Whatever we may say in public about Global Britain, we must not kid ourselves about the lasting damage that has been done to the U.K. in the eyes of Singaporeans and doubtless many others around the world." " ah but he's just an establishment liberal elite traitor enemy of the people so he would say that | |||
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"A leaked cable from the outgoing British High Commissioner to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: "Like posts across the network and departments in the U.K., we’re performing minor miracles for U.K. interests faced with the utter political shambles of Brexit. "Singaporean ministers are mystified as to how our political leaders allowed things to get to this pass." Scott Wightman said Cabinet ministers had asked him in farewell calls how “the claims of candidates to succeed as leader of the Conservative Party are to be squared with the parliamentary arithmetic and established EU positions.” Wightman also likened the damage to Britain's reputation in the last three years to the battle known as the Fall of Singapore in 1942. He said the battle showed the "complacency and arrogance of colonial leadership." "It transformed their view of British imperialism," he added. "Things were never the same again. The last three years have done the same for Singaporeans’ view of contemporary Britain. "The nation they admired for stability, common sense, tolerance and realism grounded in fact, they see beset by division, obsessed with ideology, careless of the truth, its leaders apparently determined to keep on digging. "I fear many around the world share their view. Whatever we may say in public about Global Britain, we must not kid ourselves about the lasting damage that has been done to the U.K. in the eyes of Singaporeans and doubtless many others around the world." " Why should anyone give a shit what they think, I mean Singapore ffs? Fuck em!! | |||
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"Why should anyone give a shit what they think, I mean Singapore ffs? Fuck em!!" we should leave the EU so we are free to trade with the rest of the world - especially the commonwealth - without the shackles of EU regulations. also we're leaving the EU and the rest of the world can fuck off as well | |||
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"Why should anyone give a shit what they think, I mean Singapore ffs? Fuck em!! we should leave the EU so we are free to trade with the rest of the world - especially the commonwealth - without the shackles of EU regulations. also we're leaving the EU and the rest of the world can fuck off as well " Brexiters just want to pull the draw bridge up and stick up two fingers at anyone and everyone foreign. Psychologically it is such a sad indictment of our national identity. Strong, proud and confident people embrace others and forge alliances where they can. Weak people withdraw from communities and hole up scared and alone, suspicious of the outside world. | |||
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" Brexiters just want to pull the draw bridge up and stick up two fingers at anyone and everyone foreign. " I think there's a bit more to it - and it's a bit more visceral than that. Look at the areas of the UK leave voted to leave in a big way - many corresond well to those areas where the recession that began at the end of the 1970s at the dawn of the Thatcher era never really ended for an awful lot of people. And places like the North east and South wales etc have been on the losing end of every deal ever since. Brexit was their first and only win in 40 odd years and they aint letting it go easily. This is where the "WE won YOU lost" and general "dont care not listening fuck off" rhetoric comes from It's be co-opted by some pretty toxic neo nationalists - but it didn't come from that. Mark Blyth does a really iunteresting take on this and takes it globally - check out his talk "Global Trumpism" on youtube | |||
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"Does anyone else think the UK is fucked whether we leave or stay ?" No | |||
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"A leaked cable from the outgoing British High Commissioner to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office: "Like posts across the network and departments in the U.K., we’re performing minor miracles for U.K. interests faced with the utter political shambles of Brexit. "Singaporean ministers are mystified as to how our political leaders allowed things to get to this pass." Scott Wightman said Cabinet ministers had asked him in farewell calls how “the claims of candidates to succeed as leader of the Conservative Party are to be squared with the parliamentary arithmetic and established EU positions.” Wightman also likened the damage to Britain's reputation in the last three years to the battle known as the Fall of Singapore in 1942. He said the battle showed the "complacency and arrogance of colonial leadership." "It transformed their view of British imperialism," he added. "Things were never the same again. The last three years have done the same for Singaporeans’ view of contemporary Britain. "The nation they admired for stability, common sense, tolerance and realism grounded in fact, they see beset by division, obsessed with ideology, careless of the truth, its leaders apparently determined to keep on digging. "I fear many around the world share their view. Whatever we may say in public about Global Britain, we must not kid ourselves about the lasting damage that has been done to the U.K. in the eyes of Singaporeans and doubtless many others around the world." Why should anyone give a shit what they think, I mean Singapore ffs? Fuck em!!" Another country we wont want to do business with? That would be the same place that Leave hero Dyson has moved his HQ to, the same Singapore that we have an FTA with via EU membership, a country that we invest in heavily. There are lots of reasons why we should care about Singapore. | |||
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" Why should anyone give a shit what they think, I mean Singapore ffs? Fuck em!!" You mean the city state that Brexiteers often hold up in public as a model of the sort of post-Brexit society they want? | |||
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"Does anyone else think the UK is fucked whether we leave or stay ?" Yes. As I see it, when we leave we are to negotiate trade deals with 50 - 70 countries which is going to take endless resources we don't have. If we leave on WTO rules, brokering the right terms so not undercut British businesses will be another hard task, as once tariffs are set, they are set. I expect the US will want the best deal at the expense of everyone else. There is the idea that the money saved in not paying into the EU will be redistributed back into the British economy; this is only if business and trade doesn't suffer, if deals are swift and if negotiations are rigorous. This redistribution misses the fact that 27 nations were contributing to our economy as one. Trump is going it alone at the moment in trying to renegotiate tariffs he sees unfit. It is costing the US treasury $bn's in propping up his 'tariff deals' and business are feeling the pinch hard. 600 leading business have just written to him to pressure him into resolving it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-tariffs/over-600-u-s-companies-urge-trump-to-resolve-trade-dispute-with-china-letter-idUSKCN1TE36K | |||
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"Why should anyone give a shit what they think, I mean Singapore ffs? Fuck em!!" Oh dear. Plutonium Boy brainfarts again. | |||
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"Robert Peston speculating over at ITN that Tory bigwigs are working to truncate or scrap the election. Two reasons: - They think Johnson is "close to unstoppable" - They worried about a drawn-out campaign between two middle-aged white men I think the last point is a bit of a smokescreen. More likely they want to reduce the scope for the next PM being tainted by gaffes before he even gets the keys. " I would imagine this wouldn’t go down very well with party members supporting.candidates other than Johnson ? | |||
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" I would imagine this wouldn’t go down very well with party members supporting.candidates other than Johnson ?" I don't doubt it - but you don't win general elections by pandering to your card carrying members. Last time I checked, around 80% of members of the conservative party voted leave - compared to only 52% of the people who voted in the ref. And compared to the parliamentary conservative party who supporeted remain by around 65-70%. So not only are members of the party out of touch with a large proportion of the general populace but they are at odds with their own MPs - something has got to give. | |||
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"Oh, what have I started...  "a mostly interesting discussion punctuated by some of the usual predictable responses from both sides  | |||
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"Good evening. Who is your favourite for the position from the below names; Boris Gove Hancock Harper Hunt Javid Leadsom McVey Raab Stewart Please discuss... Khan." Javid, Hancock and Stewart appear to live in some version of reality but as rabid Brexit is the only show in the Conservative party they are toast. The rest are  | |||
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i want to see how many of them try to take lumps out of bojo without mentioning his name.... | |||
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"so i take it we are all ready for 6.30 then...lol
i want to see how many of them try to take lumps out of bojo without mentioning his name...."Presumably, under the broadcasting rules, they cannot use this to kick lumps out of Mr Corbyn, only their own side? | |||
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""What's your greatest weakness?"...Raab: "Restlessness to get on with doing a brilliant job." Fuuuuuuuck... " If you were interviewing for a job how would this answer play? | |||
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"Is Gove on speed? cunts hands are all over the shop " Colombian Flu no doubt | |||
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""What's your greatest weakness?"...Raab: "Restlessness to get on with doing a brilliant job." Fuuuuuuuck... If you were interviewing for a job how would this answer play? "Probably heard it in an interview and liked the sound of it. Goves response to why he should be PM was funny; "Because JC fears only one candidate here, me" silence. | |||
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""What's your greatest weakness?"...Raab: "Restlessness to get on with doing a brilliant job." Fuuuuuuuck... If you were interviewing for a job how would this answer play?
Probably heard it in an interview and liked the sound of it.
Goves response to why he should be PM was funny; "Because JC fears only one candidate here, me" silence. ". Gove said that if he was PM that Jeremy Corbyn would wake up on Wednesday mornings and be scared of facing him at PMQs ,, I think the job of any PM would be to sort out education , social care , the prison service , police , NHS , Brexit , transport , homelessness and not be particularly exited about a 45 minute shouting match once a were in parliament | |||
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""What's your greatest weakness?"...Raab: "Restlessness to get on with doing a brilliant job." Fuuuuuuuck... If you were interviewing for a job how would this answer play?
Probably heard it in an interview and liked the sound of it.
Goves response to why he should be PM was funny; "Because JC fears only one candidate here, me" silence. . Gove said that if he was PM that Jeremy Corbyn would wake up on Wednesday mornings and be scared of facing him at PMQs ,, I think the job of any PM would be to sort out education , social care , the prison service , police , NHS , Brexit , transport , homelessness and not be particularly exited about a 45 minute shouting match once a were in parliament "I just thought it was a funny thing to say, partly as it's true, partly because there was no comeback by any other candidate. A few things stood out in the debate overall though: Focusing on JC so much is needless as it's only going to (if anything) push people to Labour. As you say it's a leadership contest not an anti-leadership contest. Having Johnson empty seated was a good idea as it gave opportunity for them to be heard. If Johnson would have attended, all attention would have been on him and no clarity / no one would have been heard for the buffoonery. I think too, after this, everyone is realising that Brexit is a square that has no edges. No matter which route is taken from the opposites of Raab and Johnson to Stewart (or Corbyn), ultimately parliament has to agree on passing any exit. | |||
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""What's your greatest weakness?"...Raab: "Restlessness to get on with doing a brilliant job." Fuuuuuuuck... If you were interviewing for a job how would this answer play?
Probably heard it in an interview and liked the sound of it.
Goves response to why he should be PM was funny; "Because JC fears only one candidate here, me" silence. . Gove said that if he was PM that Jeremy Corbyn would wake up on Wednesday mornings and be scared of facing him at PMQs ,, I think the job of any PM would be to sort out education , social care , the prison service , police , NHS , Brexit , transport , homelessness and not be particularly exited about a 45 minute shouting match once a were in parliament
I just thought it was a funny thing to say, partly as it's true, partly because there was no comeback by any other candidate.
A few things stood out in the debate overall though: Focusing on JC so much is needless as it's only going to (if anything) push people to Labour. As you say it's a leadership contest not an anti-leadership contest. Having Johnson empty seated was a good idea as it gave opportunity for them to be heard. If Johnson would have attended, all attention would have been on him and no clarity / no one would have been heard for the buffoonery. I think too, after this, everyone is realising that Brexit is a square that has no edges. No matter which route is taken from the opposites of Raab and Johnson to Stewart (or Corbyn), ultimately parliament has to agree on passing any exit. "I agree on not being so anti JC. However the argument for no deal Brexit seems to now be, its crap, but better than a labour government. I'm just suprised Labour supporters haven't twigged this and are still pro no deal | |||
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"I think Tom Watson has got his eye on JC job x" Can't see how he hasn't been fired by now, he seems to be constantly going against labour party policy. | |||
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Such a cacophony of white noise !!
Still too many candidates to get anything meaningful out of the debate
Maitlis over bearing style not helping either
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"this is a clusterfuck.... i think it is a case of who comes out of this looking least bad... matlis has lost control...." shes crap keeps talking over people trying to talk id still give her one though. | |||
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"this is a clusterfuck.... i think it is a case of who comes out of this looking least bad... matlis has lost control...." Agree ... it’s really bad
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"this is a clusterfuck.... i think it is a case of who comes out of this looking least bad... matlis has lost control....shes crap keeps talking over people trying to talk id still give her one though. "Yeah, but she'd probably talk all the way through it though | |||
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"rory stewart talking the most sense on taxes.... obviously everyone is going to hate it and it will win him zero votes! lol" I agree the more i see of rory the more i like him. | |||
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"boris sounded really weak there.... but the conservative membership won't care... this is the first time i have cringed so far" didnt know he had a muslim grandfather though. | |||
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"boris sounded really weak there.... but the conservative membership won't care... this is the first time i have cringed so fardidnt know he had a muslim grandfather though." in fact i think that makes his muslim comments in context a lot worse..... | |||
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"boris sounded really weak there.... but the conservative membership won't care... this is the first time i have cringed so fardidnt know he had a muslim grandfather though. in fact i think that makes his muslim comments in context a lot worse....." No i dont think so bit like black people can use the n word and others cant. | |||
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".No i dont think so bit like black people can use the n word and others cant." 1) i know that sort of comment was coming.... 2) if ANYONE uses the n word in my direction... they get very short shrift! anyway boris on the ropes from that question... then evades talkingabout heathrow expansion | |||
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".No i dont think so bit like black people can use the n word and others cant. 1) i know that sort of comment was coming.... 2) if ANYONE uses the n word in my direction... they get very short shrift! anyway boris on the ropes from that question... then evades talkingabout heathrow expansion" lighten up _abio Heathrow was always going to come back to haunt him.  | |||
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"i do love all these promises they have all been making for the last few weeks to unite the country right wrongs sort housing and education anyone would think none of them have been in the government for the last three years ?" | |||
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"How come this is a bash jeremy corbyn debate when hes not even there to debate/defend him self. Thats two live debates now and seen Jeremy corbyn brought up many times. " well it is a leaders debate he is the opposition so not surprising.Hes probably down the allotment anyway so wont be offended. | |||
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"How come this is a bash jeremy corbyn debate when hes not even there to debate/defend him self. Thats two live debates now and seen Jeremy corbyn brought up many times. " because there scared of him | |||
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"How come this is a bash jeremy corbyn debate when hes not even there to debate/defend him self. Thats two live debates now and seen Jeremy corbyn brought up many times. because there scared of him" . The last question gave them all the chance to take on Corbyn when they were asked if they would call a General Election ,,,, they all said no ,,,, | |||
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"How come this is a bash jeremy corbyn debate when hes not even there to debate/defend him self. Thats two live debates now and seen Jeremy corbyn brought up many times. because there scared of him. The last question gave them all the chance to take on Corbyn when they were asked if they would call a General Election ,,,, they all said no ,,,, " Why would they say yes? | |||
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"How come this is a bash jeremy corbyn debate when hes not even there to debate/defend him self. Thats two live debates now and seen Jeremy corbyn brought up many times. because there scared of him. The last question gave them all the chance to take on Corbyn when they were asked if they would call a General Election ,,,, they all said no ,,,, Why would they say yes?" . Maybe because they are only go to be elected by 120,000 people but they say they believe in democracy | |||
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"How come this is a bash jeremy corbyn debate when hes not even there to debate/defend him self. Thats two live debates now and seen Jeremy corbyn brought up many times. because there scared of him" They're more scared of Corbyn now than they were but they are also thanking God Almighty that it's Corbyn heading the Labour and not someone else. | |||
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"How come this is a bash jeremy corbyn debate when hes not even there to debate/defend him self. Thats two live debates now and seen Jeremy corbyn brought up many times. because there scared of him. The last question gave them all the chance to take on Corbyn when they were asked if they would call a General Election ,,,, they all said no ,,,, " Why would they want to do that? They know full well that if they fail to deliver Brexit, they would lose a general election, so they need to get brexit done, or you can look forward to the prospect of Nigel Farage in number 10. I wouldn't say that they're scared of Corbyn, because Labour are in as much shit as the Tories are over brexit. | |||
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"I'm watching a recording now. All I can say is "what a total shambles". " Really was a debacle. Each one of them was on parade but was Johnson knowing he doesn't have to do anything as he's already got the votes. Maitlis a year ago could question anyone, whether it was the candidates themselves or more politenesses from her, they gave pre-scripted answers ignoring pretty anything asked. | |||
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"Hunt: "I married an immigrant and my children are half Chinese" Javid: "I'm the son of an immigrant" Gove: "I was adopted" LolBoris: (don't say sand-n**ger, don't say sand-n**ger, don't say sand-n**ger... ) "My, er..., friend here" " | |||
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